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Posted by: Phineas

I was wondering if there are any foods/liquids/nutrients/other supplements that can interfere with the absorption of creatine? For instance, with ZMA, they suggest not taking it with calcium in your system, as it blocks zinc absorption.

Posted by: nni

none that i am aware of. carbs/insulin mimetics tend to aid it.

Posted by: BlueCorsair

I operated under the belief, for the longest time, that caffeine hindered its effectiveness. Being a "serious" coffee drinker (as in drinking the good stuff on a regular basis), this worried me a great deal. Further research on my own tended to indicate that my belief was a fallacy; it seems that with sufficient fluid intake, creatine will work just fine. This is a major relief - not sure what I'd do if I couldn't have my couple of mugs of a nice single-origin bean

Posted by: quark

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Originally Posted by BlueCorsair

I operated under the belief, for the longest time, that caffeine hindered its effectiveness. Being a "serious" coffee drinker (as in drinking the good stuff on a regular basis), this worried me a great deal. Further research on my own tended to indicate that my belief was a fallacy; it seems that with sufficient fluid intake, creatine will work just fine. This is a major relief - not sure what I'd do if I couldn't have my couple of mugs of a nice single-origin bean

Primordial sells creatine- here's a quote from their website:

Creatine should always be taken with low caffeine or caffeine-free beverages*, such as water, fruit juice or Primordial Performance's Organic Vitaberry® mix.

Creatine does not stay stable for long in liquids, therefore it should always be consumed on the same day which it is prepared. Also, be sure to consume creatine with plenty of water.

*Taking high doses of caffeine (5 mg per kg body weight per day) at the same time as creatine negates the performance enhancing effects of creatine. Small amounts of caffeine (e.g., 1-2 cups of coffee) appear not to negatively influence creatine's effects.

I really haven't researched this but Eric is very knowledgeable, I don't think he would put this on one of his products if he hadn't done his homework.

Posted by: dave 236

caffine is a diuretic. Therefore taking too much defeats the purpose of taking creatine.

Posted by: PushAndPull

I have taken creatine monohydrate(never any other form) on and off for a few years. I have never noticed a diiference absorption regardless of what I took with it. I take 5g on off days and 10g on traing days maybe that's the difference?

Posted by: njc

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Originally Posted by dave 236

caffine is a diuretic. Therefore taking too much defeats the purpose of taking creatine.

It's only a diuretic if you rarely drink it. Studies have shown that if you are a frequent drinker it ceases to act as a diuretic. At least that's what my Human Bio-Chemistry teacher told us......

Posted by: dave 236

there is probably alot of truth to that. most substances lose some effect as people get used to them;but not knowing what anyones tolerence to caffine is it can make you lose water.I've also heard people say it decreases their appetite.Neither of these are beneficial to most people taking creatine supplements.

Posted by: rob170

If caffeine negates the effects of creatine why would so many people stack their creatine with superpump 250/NO Xplode, or other high caffeine pre-workout supps.

Posted by: CaptainNapalm

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Originally Posted by BlueCorsair

Yes I was concerned about this too and did some digging of my own. I conclude that the only way caffeine intake would negatively impact your creatine use is that it does tend to dehydrate the body (whether on creatine or not) so all you'd have to do is just compensate for that by consuming even more water to offset the additional dyhidration.

Also, not that this is backed up by solid research or anything but on my past experience with creatine (years ago) I always found that red wine altered it's effectivness. On several occasions I would be doing just fine on creatine and then wine and dine for the night (consume about 4-5 glasses of red wine) and the next day I felt drained, mild headache and just hollow in general with very dry mouth. I only experienced this while drinking red wine while on creatinne so I just avoid it now when I'm using the stuff.

Posted by: CaptainNapalm

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Originally Posted by njc

It's only a diuretic if you rarely drink it. Studies have shown that if you are a frequent drinker it ceases to act as a diuretic. At least that's what my Human Bio-Chemistry teacher told us......

That's totally true. Many people have the misconception that coffee acts as a diuretic indefinately. However, the fact is that caffeine helps in increasing the level of circulating fatty acits, this does mean that it helps in enhancing fat oxidation. But it usually has this effect with nonhabitual users. So if you drink coffee every morning don't think that it will carry the same effect on you. Our body is designed to accept whatever we offer to it. So if we constantly pour cups and cups of coffee down every day, the body will just simply accept it as something quite normal and it will become just like every other thing in your body, no exceptions. Same holds true for medication. That's why so many meds (pain killers/anti-inflammatory, etc) only work for a three month period best and eventually taper off and need to be changed because the body just adapts to them and mutes the effect.

Posted by: Marat

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Originally Posted by jchappj

*Taking high doses of caffeine (5 mg per kg body weight per day) at the same time as creatine negates the performance enhancing effects of creatine. Small amounts of caffeine (e.g., 1-2 cups of coffee) appear not to negatively influence creatine's effects.[/i]

Caffeine counteracts the ergogenic action of muscle creatine loading

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