Originally Posted by PushAndPull

Let start with the multi. If it says take two then I would.
As far as the fish oil goes, if you can stomach it, then I see no harm in it. I personally only can stomach three a day.

Originally Posted by PushAndPull

Regardless of the amount you are taking you should split them up throughout the day,

Originally Posted by PushAndPull

i'm surprised it doesn't say to do so.
For the b-12, i'd personally take a b-complex instead and definitely take it at a differnt time then taking the multi as it already has a b-complex(which has b-12) and only so much can be absorbed at one time.

Originally Posted by PushAndPull

The vitamin C should also be split up throughout the day for the same reasons as the B.

Originally Posted by PushAndPull

As far as the ephedrine goes, I simply recommend you don't take it.

Originally Posted by Built

B-12 often isn't particularly well-absorbed orally. That's why he's taking it as a sublingual - to bypass digestion.



Although if you're on certain medications, such as synthroid, you want to take it separated a few hours from when you take vitamin C.

Vitamin C and B's are water soluble so for the most part you body takes what it needs and then you pee out the rest. So later on in the day you could still not be at optimum levels, taking it throughout the day solves this problem. Overloading at one time only insures more colorful pee.


Why not? Ephedrine caffeine is an excellent cutter.

Originally Posted by PushAndPull

I've read and it's recommended that for maximum absorption fish oil doses should be split up. I've tried taking more than one at a time and never noticed a difference, then again I never notice anything from the fish oil unless I take alot, then I get tons of gas.

Originally Posted by Built

B-12 often isn't particularly well-absorbed orally. That's why he's taking it as a sublingual - to bypass digestion.



Although if you're on certain medications, such as synthroid, you want to take it separated a few hours from when you take vitamin C.

Originally Posted by PushAndPull

Vitamin C and B's are water soluble so for the most part you body takes what it needs and then you pee out the rest. So later on in the day you could still not be at optimum levels, taking it throughout the day solves this problem. Overloading at one time only insures more colorful pee.

Ephedrine is addictive.

Originally Posted by PushAndPull

Ephedrine is addictive.

Originally Posted by suprfast

I cant agree with that last statement. I was on if for six weeks straight then took a week off when i ran out, and cycled it off. Not once did i feel myself NEEDING it. If anything is addictive i would say its caffeine. NOW WHERE IS MY COFFEE.
kris

Originally Posted by PushAndPull

If you take ephedrine for a long time, then you will see a major energy crash when you stop taking it. This is because your body has become dependent on the ephedrine for your energy. That's why I don't recommend it.

Originally Posted by PushAndPull

I highly doubt it is a safe drug

Originally Posted by m11

What were you dosing your wife's ephedrine at?

Originally Posted by PushAndPull

All of us started with half a pill (12.5mg) we built up a tolerance to that and then went to 25mg (12.5mg twice a day) and right before we quit it was 50mg(25mg twice a day)

Originally Posted by m11

Holding that those were the doses and no other sympathomimetic drugs were involved, I wouldn't expect addiction to occur.

Originally Posted by drumlib

The International Journal of Obesity recently published the results of a six-month study of herbal thermogenic supplements. If you're familiar with the medical research, you will not be surprised to learn that the study found herbal ephedra/caffeine "promoted body weight and body fat reduction and improved blood lipids without significant adverse events" (1).

"without significant adverse events"

I just thought I would repeat that for truth-deprived newbies whose only familiarity with thermogenic supplements comes from the mainstream media. smiley.gif (125 bytes)

I will address this study in a future post. For now, I want to take a look at the accompanying editorial, since it was written by one of my favorite obesity scientists. Dulloo starts off by explaining why conventional obesity treatments fail and why ephedrine/caffeine is necessary:

"The bottom line is that in response to food deprivation, the drive to eat increases and the metabolism slows down, thereby counteracting the efficacy of dieting. Pharmacotherapy aimed at dampening these compensatory mechanisms is therefore an appealing adjuvant to assist dietary approaches" (2-NA).

Dulloo also pondered the discrepancy between the anecdotal adverse effects associated with thermogenic supplements and the excellent safety record in Scandinavian countries where synthetic ephedrine/caffeine is a prescription obesity drug (trade name: Letigen).

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Dulloo closes the editorial stating that the Danish experience, where ephedrine/caffeine is a prescription obesity drug called Letigen, shows that it is "a viable and cost-effective approach to treat obesity" and he calls on the FDA to consider adopting a Danish-type system where doctors regularly prescribe ephedrine/caffeine for obesity:

"Based upon the Danish experience, the FDA might consider that the licensing under prescription of synthetic mixtures of ephedrine and caffeine could offer a viable and cost-effective approach to treat obesity and that large clinical trials with this drug combination are both necessary and ethically justified" (2-NA).

Originally Posted by PushAndPull

Built

It's an interesting article.
Yet i'm sorry to say that I still think ephedrine is addictive and in the long run you will have more energy naturally than you would by taking it.

Originally Posted by PushAndPull

I don't think it's as dangerous as American media protrays it though. I seem to be fine after taking it for a couple of years...
As far as kids go, I don't think any kids should be given ephedrine for being obese. I think proper diet and exercise is the answer.

Originally Posted by PushAndPull

Regardless if your metabolism slows down you can still lose weight, it just might hurt a little more,but sometimes ya gotta tuff it out. Just my opinion of course.

Originally Posted by Built

I can't honestly say I've gotten that much of a kick from ephedrine - I think for most folks, the "buzz" comes from the caffeine. I've taken it for appetite suppression though, and stacked with caffeine it works fairly well for that purpose. Nice preworkout, too, really clears your breathing; it is, after all, a decongestant.

Originally Posted by Built

I can't see how EC could supplant diet and exercise. Did you think I meant "here, kid, take these magic beans and get skinny!"?

Originally Posted by Built

You ever been fat, PushAndPull? I don't mean "post-bulking season juicy" but truly obese?

Originally Posted by suprfast

I feel like a druggie pill popper every morning. Am i taking too much, or does it not matter. Popping pills(in terms of real vitamins/minerals/etc) is easy so i dont mind if i needed to "pop" more to make sure i have all my bases covered

Currently my pill jar daily includes:

2 x daily vitamin
8 x fish oil (total of 3000mg/3g of EPA/DHA)
1 x 200mg Caffeine(stay awake/no doze)
1 x bronkaid (25mg ephedrine sulfate, with a chases of 400mg of Guaifenesin)
1 x B12(sublingual, only one i dont swallow[let the jokes begin])
4 x vitamin c (2g total), also has some wide rose hips and citrus bioflavonoids. whatever these are.

Now that you see my medicine cabinet, am i taking too much stuff? just fine? anything you recommend i add/delete? Im open to criticism. I take everything in about 10 seconds first thing in the morning.

I also take creatine, but thats aside from all this morning remedy stuff.
Kris