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Posted by: teambearcage

Hey this is my first post so thanks in advance for all of your help. I am a former college football player and currently weigh around 215-220. I have lost alot of mass and strength since football ended for me and am looking to get it back. I would like to bulk back up (to get the strength back) and then cut down to fight at 185lbs in a little over 3 months. I have wrestled so I am not worried about loosing the weight. I am thinking of doing a cycle of anadrol or dianabol. and then after taking time off of the cycle doing a cycle of winstrol to aid in my cutting weight. Please let me know how to dose this and what kind of pct ect.

Posted by: Pirate!

Oral only cycles are bad news.

Posted by: teambearcage

Ya I'm not looking for huge gains like I said I am an athlete and not a bodybuilder. Just looking for a boost to get me back to where I was before I became a fat ass after football ended last year. I'm really not worried about the liver effects. I know all of the downsides of oral only cycles. Just looking for what I can do to make these two drugs effective as possible without taking too high a dose.

Posted by: Shadowcam

whats your bodyfat and previous cycles?

Posted by: teambearcage

body fat right now is probably between 15 and 20ish. Like I said I got pretty out of shape after my football program was cancelled. No previous cycles. Just every suppliment under the sun.

Posted by: Built

No offense, but you're too juicy to run a cycle. Do you understand why I say this? Do you know what aromatase is?

Posted by: teambearcage

ya I am going to cut down I should be down to around 10 before I start the cycle. I just want to get the info now. before i start

Posted by: teambearcage

I know all the rest of the basics. I.e. diet training etc. I just want to know when I do start the cycles of these drugs what dosages and how long will be the most effective. I know this isn't the best bodybuilding cycle.

Posted by: Built

Hmmm.... you don't seem to be clear on the concept here. It's not that it's not the best bodybuilding cycle, it's more a matter of what it is that you think these agents can do.

Do you understand about HTPA feedback and dosing?

Posted by: teambearcage

Can you explain those

Posted by: teambearcage

I know that anabol or d-bol can both give gains in strength and that is what I want to do the bulking cycle for primarily. I also know that winny is a good cutting agent which is why I want to use it to aid in my weight cut. I know it wont cut the weight for me but I want to use it as an aid.

Posted by: Built

Basically your body can tell if there's any testosterone kicking around in excess of what it makes. When it does, it shuts down production.

You typically have to take enough AAS to completely shut your boys down, and then take more on top of that in order to achieve any kind of additional effect.

You wanted to just run "a little bit". Because of the feedback mechanism, this little bit tells your brain, and it in turn sends out less GnRh so your boys make less testosterone. Net effect: you are now taking drugs to feel normal. All while trashing your liver.

Posted by: teambearcage

Thats why I want to know what doses will be high enough to see effects but low enough not to kill my liver. I am willing to run long cycles, I am in this all the way I want to do a real cycle not just "a little bit" I want results I am just not being rediculous thinking I'll gain 40 lbs off of an oral only cycle.

Posted by: Gazhole

An oral only cycle is bad news specifically because of the stress it puts on the liver in comparison to injections. Don't get me wrong, you need to take liver support with those too, but oral only isn't great.

Like Built said, unless you take enough you are basically just replacing your natural levels with drugs, and the more you take the more damage you risk doing to your liver.

Posted by: Built

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Originally Posted by teambearcage

Thats why I want to know what doses will be high enough to see effects but low enough not to kill my liver. I am willing to run long cycles, I am in this all the way I want to do a real cycle not just "a little bit" I want results I am just not being rediculous thinking I'll gain 40 lbs off of an oral only cycle.

You won't gain forty pounds off an injected cycle either. You gain forty pounds by overeating!

Unless you're a girl, you want to do a long cycle you better start learning how to pin.

Posted by: teambearcage

If I go with dbol 40mg/day for 6 weeks then go to winny 30mg/day for 1 week then 50mg/day for 4 weeks what pct should I do. I know this is not the best cycle I dont want to inject and don't want to be told to take something else. Just help me out with dosing and pct please

Posted by: njc

I don't give advice on compounds in this forum because I just recently began understanding them for the first time myself but I can tell you for sure that you would get used to pinning in about one week. It's not fun but it's not a big deal either. A lengthy and intense weight training session is a far more brutal of a thing to subject yourself to. After a couple of pinning sessions it really becomes completely routine and you don't really think about it. You'll think about it when the slabs of muscle begin pilling on however.

I was dumb enough to do an oral cycle for my first run. I got some decent gains for sure but now I realize that it was a waste of time and health and that the comparison of gains between an oral only cycle and one with Test as it's base is like comparing bicycle with a bulldozer. It's worth it man.

Posted by: Pirate!

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currently weigh around 215-220. body fat right now is probably between 15 and 20ish. I am going to cut down I should be down to around 10 before I start the cycle. I just want to get the info now. before i start

I would like to bulk back up (to get the strength back) and then cut down to fight at 185lbs in a little over 3 months.

If I go with dbol 40mg/day for 6 weeks then go to winny 30mg/day for 1 week then 50mg/day for 4 weeks what pct should I do.

You are on the wrong track here and are disregarding the opinions you sought out. 11 weeks of orals is a big mistake. You're going to be soft as pudding with compromised health when you come off.

You said you are going to go from 20% to 10% before starting. Not buying it.

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally Posted by teambearcage

ya I am going to cut down I should be down to around 10 before I start the cycle. I just want to get the info now. before i start

You'll be so close to 185 by that point that there will be no point in juicing. Kind of strange you are talking about taking anadrol, but you dont want crazy gains and you eventually want to end up 30 pounds lighter than you are now anyway.

You dont need gear to be 185 pounds.

I am a lover of anadrol, dbol is nice too, and neither one are suited for trying to keep strength after losing 30 pounds and going clean.

Posted by: Shadowcam

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Originally Posted by teambearcage

If I go with dbol 40mg/day for 6 weeks then go to winny 30mg/day for 1 week then 50mg/day for 4 weeks what pct should I do. I know this is not the best cycle I dont want to inject and don't want to be told to take something else. Just help me out with dosing and pct please

0 mgs/w with no PCT required!

your welcome!

Posted by: VictorZ06

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Originally Posted by Shadowcam

0 mgs/w with no PCT required!

your welcome!

What Shadow said!

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