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Posted by: Dark Geared God

BURIEN, Wash. (Associated Press) --
Carlos Hernandez packed up his family and left Arizona after the state passed its sweeping immigration crackdown. The illegal immigrant's new home outside Seattle offered something Arizona could not: a driver's license.
Three states _ Washington, New Mexico and Utah _ allow illegal immigrants to get licenses because their laws do not require proof of citizenship or legal residency. An Associated Press analysis found that those states have seen a surge in immigrants seeking IDs in recent months, a trend experts attribute to crackdowns on illegal immigration in Arizona and elsewhere.
"It's difficult being undocumented and not having an identification," said Hernandez, of Puebla, Mexico. "You can use the Mexican ID, but people look down on it." An American driver's license is also a requirement for many jobs.
The immigration debate has thrown a spotlight on the license programs, which supporters say make financial sense because unlicensed drivers typically do not carry car insurance. Opponents insist the laws attract illegal immigrants and criminals.

"Washington state and New Mexico have been magnet states for the fraudulent document brokers, human traffickers and alien smugglers for years," said Brian Zimmer, president of the Coalition for a Secure Driver's License, a nonprofit research group in Washington, D.C.
State officials in New Mexico dispute that claim.
He said there is mounting evidence that the spike in license applications is a result of pressure on immigrants in states such as Arizona and Oklahoma, where police have been authorized to help enforce federal immigration laws.
Republican lawmakers in New Mexico and Washington state have pushed to tighten the laws in recent years, only to be thwarted by Democrats. The issue is less heated in Utah, where illegal immigrant licenses carry only driving privileges. People cannot use the IDs to board a plane, get a job or buy alcohol, for example.
Candidates in New Mexico's governor's race have made the licenses a campaign theme, with the Republican saying she would revoke IDs granted to illegal and legal immigrants since the state enacted the law in 2003. The Democratic candidate opposes illegal immigrant licenses but prefers a softer approach.
The AP analysis of data in the three states revealed some striking numbers: The rate of licenses issued to immigrants during the 10 weeks that followed approval of the Arizona law reflected a 60 percent increase over the annual average for last year.
By comparison, the rate of licenses issued to non-immigrants during the same period increased only modestly.
Among the other findings:
_ New Mexico issued 10,257 licenses to immigrants through the first six months of 2010, compared with 13,481 for all of 2009. The pace has intensified since April, when neighboring Arizona passed its immigration law. The figures include both illegal immigrants and legal residents from outside the U.S.
_ New Mexico issued about 417 licenses a week to immigrants from the day after Arizona passed its law through July 1. That is a big jump from the 323 per week it was issuing from Jan. 1 to the day before the law passed.
_ Utah handed out 41,000 illegal immigrant licenses for 2010 through June 7, compared with 43,429 for all of 2008.
_ Washington granted 3,200 licenses to people from outside the U.S. through June, exceeding the pace of 5,992 for all of 2009.
Hernandez said he and his family moved to Washington because he and his wife were spooked by the Arizona law that requires officers to check a person's immigration status when enforcing other laws. A federal judge has put most of the law on hold, saying it may be unconstitutional.
Hernandez said he knows other illegal immigrants who considered New Mexico because of the ease of getting a license without documents. But he and others thought Washington would be safer.
"I know that it's not OK for people who come here to cross the border, but there's people that come here that want to contribute ... that want to follow the rules," said Hernandez, 31, who has a 2-year-old daughter.
Recent fraud cases in New Mexico and Washington show some people are trying to exploit the rules.
An Illinois man is accused of driving two Polish immigrants from Chicago to Albuquerque last month in a scheme to charge them $1,000 each for help getting driver's licenses, according to a criminal complaint.
Jaroslaw Kowalczyk of Des Plaines, Ill., allegedly ran an advertisement in a Polish newspaper boasting, "Social security not necessary. 100 percent guarantee."
In Washington, the FBI was tipped that people from across the country were coming to the state because of its license law. Three people, including one current and one former state Licensing Department employee, were arrested in June in a case dealing with the sale of identification documents to illegal immigrants.
"We don't think we're asking for much," said Rep. Tom Campbell, sponsor of a bill last year in Washington seeking to require proof of citizenship to get a license. "We have to have a handle of who's in our state."
In New Mexico, Motor Vehicle Division Director Michael Sandoval cautioned that it's impossible to identify any specific cause-and-effect linking the Arizona law to illegal immigrants relocating in New Mexico because of the way the licenses are issued.
The state does not require clerks to document where immigrants moved from. And clerks cannot ask if someone is in the country illegally.
As a result, there's no way to distinguish between a license issued to a Swiss chemist employed with a visa at Los Alamos National Laboratory and a license assigned to a Mexican laborer in the U.S. illegally.
Washington state immigrant advocate David Ayala said it's better for drivers to have licenses, especially from a public safety standpoint.
"The people who are driving in the streets need to be tested that they have the knowledge and ability to be on the highway," said Ayala, organizing director of a group called OneAmerica.
People with licenses, he added, "have a more normal life. They can cash a check. They can rent an apartment. They can have insurance for the car."

hmmm i wonder how many will kill while driving

Posted by: Dark Geared God

Posted by: Big Smoothy

Situation ^

Where is this from? Can you put up a link so I can copy it?

Thanks.

Posted by: IronAddict

Do you even know your history?

Posted by: mooch2321

i live in texas and literally was hit last week by a drunk, unlicensed and illegal mexican that didnt have any insurance.

Posted by: mooch2321

maybe he'll move to seattle now

Posted by: IronAddict

Originally Posted by mooch2321

i live in texas and literally was hit last week by a drunk, unlicensed and illegal mexican that didnt have any insurance.

Great! But what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Posted by: mooch2321

Originally Posted by IronAddict

Great! But what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

well, since i drive an automobile thats got a lot of parts that are made in china, I would imagine that if enough illegal immigrants hit people who drove cars like mine this could potentialy devalue the doller and bump whatever fucking currency the chinese are using these days. Now why dont you come in the anything goes forum and meet me in the ct so i can tell you what i really think of your dem ass. fucking dems!

Posted by: IronAddict

Originally Posted by mooch2321

oKAY STUPID ASS, WHY DO yOU DRIVE A cHINESE CAR?

mY gOSH, IT'S NOT ME THAT'S DUMB!

Posted by: mooch2321

you must be high....fucking not big dems talkin all this shit.

Posted by: IronAddict

Originally Posted by mooch2321

you must be high....fucking not big dems talkin all this shit.

Yes Mooch, I am high.

But I still know right from wrong, left from right .... Do you?

According to your posts, you don't!...l That is why this country is where it is.
Dumb ass kids who don't know their assholes from their elbows... Yes you!

Posted by: danzik17

Serious question.

This reporter can find and interview this illegal alien. Why can't ICE find and deport the fucker? Maybe we should deputize this reporter, seems to be doing a better job of finding them.

Posted by: Big Smoothy

Originally Posted by IronAddict

Do you even know your history?

Please clarify.

Posted by: DOMS

Originally Posted by mooch2321

i live in texas and literally was hit last week by a drunk, unlicensed and illegal mexican that didnt have any insurance.

Is there any other kind?

Posted by: Mudge

Originally Posted by The Situation

"I know that it's not OK for people who come here to cross the border, but there's people that come here that want to contribute ... that want to follow the rules," said Hernandez, 31, who has a 2-year-old daughter.

Not when you cross illegally... ummm

Posted by: ROID

Originally Posted by IronAddict

i've missed you

Posted by: ROID

Originally Posted by mooch2321

i live in texas and literally was hit last week by a drunk, unlicensed and illegal mexican that didnt have any insurance.

Do you have insurance ?

Posted by: Dark Geared God

Originally Posted by Mudge

Not when you cross illegally... ummm

i just posted the story..

Posted by: KelJu

Originally Posted by Mudge

Not when you cross illegally... ummm

It's ok, if they are chicks, and hot. I want more ethnic chicks in the states so I don't have to travel out to bang one. Bonus points if they still have that third world mentality and are impressed by my 10 year old car.

Posted by: brk_nemesis

Answer to all this:

Create a DMZ like North/South Korea between us and Mexico, and put landmines all over that shit. I guarantee after a week, we wont even need the guard at the borders.

Posted by: Mudge

Originally Posted by The Situation

i just posted the story..

and I quoted the story you posted, your name is auto-inserted.

Posted by: Dark Geared God

Originally Posted by Mudge

and I quoted the story you posted, your name is auto-inserted.

dirty spic jew.. super mod

Posted by: Dark Geared God

Originally Posted by KelJu

this is why i like keljew alway thinking outside the boxand about BOX and trim...one day we will toot some monster rails and create a snow storm in july...

Posted by: mooch2321

Originally Posted by IronAddict

im a dumb ass kid? what race are you to start with, and what is your level of education? what do you do for a living? Do you see how illegal workers that are willing to be paid peanuts, affect the economies of the southern states? is it fair that legal americans cant get working class jobs because contractors would rathe hire illegal labor at pennies on the dollar? Answer me that?

Posted by: KelJu

Originally Posted by mooch2321

I use to feel that way. Over time I got tired of hearing the whining of people claiming that Mexicans are taking their jobs. If a Mexican took your job, than it wasn't your job to be had, and it is your fault. Our economy can't afford to pay an noneducated person $15.00/hour to dig ditches, pick produce, or hang drywall.

I have plenty of problems with how immigration is handled, but Mexicans working isn't one of them. I just want them to pay taxes, stay out of jail, and not be a drain on the society.

Posted by: Dark Geared God

Originally Posted by KelJu

Well good luck with the last part of the rant

Posted by: ROID

Originally Posted by KelJu

maybe i'm wrong about this. Since a lot of mexicans are here using fake SSN wouldn't that mean they are paying taxes without the benefits of being able to take advantage of certains things the taxes pay for, government assitance, etc...

My dad has been in construction forever and all the amigos use false SSN.

Posted by: Dark Geared God

Originally Posted by ROID

but the flip side is the can get SSDI and food stamps with that

Posted by: guidojuice4ever

I got nothing against Mexicans Pablo cuts my grass and secretly bangs my wife... ohh that Pablo you better be glad I don't know how to make Pico De Gallo as good you son!

Posted by: ROID

Originally Posted by The Situation

but the flip side is the can get SSDI and food stamps with that

hmm...

I'm thinking about getting on food stamps myself. I have no income big brotha knows about.

side note:

anyone wanna mail me pills ? serious request

Posted by: Dark Geared God

Originally Posted by ROID

hmm...

I'm thinking about getting on food stamps myself. I have no income big brotha knows about.

side note:

anyone wanna mail me pills ? serious request

pils?

Food stamps and pubic asist is there to help in time of need walk in and tell them its and emergery they start u off that day and will get it for 6 month or until they verify u need it..

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