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Posted by: yeksetm

Hey

On my lower pull day I start with
5x5 Dead lift
3 x 8 Stiff leg Dead
3 x 10 Hypers

I find that doing the normal Deadlift causes me nil issues but the the Stiff Leg Dead just brutalizes my lower back, is this normal? Does anyone have a point by point way of doing the SLD. I keep my shoulders back, keep the bar touching my front and make sure my hips go backwards. Any help would be appreciated.

Cheers



Posted by: Double D

You need to revise your lower pull day. 2 deadlifts in a row=no good



Posted by: yeksetm

Cool figured as much any suggestions? GHR's?



Posted by: Double D

Deads
Leg Curls
Hypers

out...



Posted by: PushAndPull

Quote Originally Posted by Double D View Post
Deads
Leg Curls
Hypers

out...
I've done something similiar to this

Deads
Good mornings
leg curls

I also think deadlfits back to back are fine if the second is unilateral (e.g. 1-leg/1-arm RDL)



Posted by: Double D

Agreed....the load is much lighter and way less stress on the back.



Posted by: Flathead

Quote Originally Posted by Double D View Post
You need to revise your lower pull day. 2 deadlifts in a row=no good
Deads as your core lift with stiff leg deads as an accessory is an excellent combination!



Quote Originally Posted by PushAndPull View Post
I've done something similiar to this

Deads
Good mornings
leg curls

I also think deadlfits back to back are fine if the second is unilateral (e.g. 1-leg/1-arm RDL)

This works, I use good mornings as an accessory to squats.



Posted by: Phineas

Quote Originally Posted by Double D View Post
You need to revise your lower pull day. 2 deadlifts in a row=no good
Why?

Unless you mean that he would just be very tired going from one major compound to the next then I guess I agree. On my lower pull/lower push sessions I put calf exercises in between each compound, but my sessions look the same otherwise.

I do three squat variations in one workout with calf work in between each to give me a breather. Lower Pull I do deads, good mornings, and sumo deads, and it works amazingly.

I don't get why people classify good mornings differently. When you think about it, it's basically a more difficult variation of a romanian deadlift/stiff-legged deadlift (same thing). The mechanics are identical, only the barbell is on your shoulders, shifting your centre of gravity and giving your lower back/core some extra stabalizing work.



Posted by: davegmb

Yeah im fine with two deadlifts in a row too. However, id use a light weight for the RDL's and really concentrate on the movement and feeling it in the hamstrings rather then go heavy like the deads if im doing two different types of deadlifts in one workout. I break it up with calf raises too, to give my back and hamstrings a rest.
Id also prefer good mornings to the extensions, but thats just personal preference.



Posted by: PushAndPull

Quote Originally Posted by Phineas View Post
I don't get why people classify good mornings differently. When you think about it, it's basically a more difficult variation of a romanian deadlift/stiff-legged deadlift (same thing). The mechanics are identical, only the barbell is on your shoulders, shifting your centre of gravity and giving your lower back/core some extra stabalizing work.
The difference in my opinion. Like a squat you can't just let go on a GM unless maybe you have chains, but how many gyms have that? Unlike a squat however, you're bent over doing the GM so what happens if you fail, it's going to be ugly. This is going to keep the average lifter from going too heavy on the lift. So it makes it a good finishing exercise.



Posted by: PushAndPull

Quote Originally Posted by davegmb View Post
Yeah im fine with two deadlifts in a row too. However, id use a light weight for the RDL's and really concentrate on the movement and feeling it in the hamstrings rather then go heavy like the deads if im doing two different types of deadlifts in one workout.
Id also prefer good mornings to the extensions, but thats just personal preference.
I think this fine as well. As long as you treat the second dead as a fininshing exercise.



Posted by: MDR

Quote Originally Posted by Double D View Post
You need to revise your lower pull day. 2 deadlifts in a row=no good
I disagree with this as well. I do multiple variations on the deadlift and the squat. I don't care for squatting and deadlifting on the same day, but I know a lot of people do. Blanket statements like this are often incorrect.



Posted by: Flathead

Quote Originally Posted by davegmb View Post
Yeah im fine with two deadlifts in a row too. However, id use a light weight for the RDL's and really concentrate on the movement and feeling it in the hamstrings rather then go heavy like the deads if im doing two different types of deadlifts in one workout. I break it up with calf raises too, to give my back and hamstrings a rest.
Id also prefer good mornings to the extensions, but thats just personal preference.

100% agree, except I go straight from deads to stiff legs with no exercise in between



Posted by: Double D

Quote Originally Posted by Phineas View Post
Why?

Unless you mean that he would just be very tired going from one major compound to the next then I guess I agree. On my lower pull/lower push sessions I put calf exercises in between each compound, but my sessions look the same otherwise.

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Exactly



Posted by: Double D

Heres where I am with this. I dont use any equipment, straps, knee wraps, belt, etc. My squat has gotten up to 525 and dead right around 500. Recently my numbers have dipped alot so I havent experimented with it recently. However, when I was working upwards in the 4's and then turn around and heavy dead? No way, not happening. I want to get the most out of each lift. I have to seperate my 2 days. When I first began training I would be able to knock everything out in one day. I'd do squats and deads the same day, or 2 types of deads the same day. Now? Well with that workload its tough to do with proper form. I see people day in and day out telling me about their routine that they do this and they do that. Then watch them do it, and wala...their form is aweful because of improper planning. Not that you fellas dont plan correctly, I am just stating this from my experience. Same thing with deads, I couldnt imagine doing a different varation of deads at the same intensity after the first exercise of deads. Just my opinion.



Posted by: Flathead

Quote Originally Posted by Double D View Post
Heres where I am with this. I dont use any equipment, straps, knee wraps, belt, etc. My squat has gotten up to 525 and dead right around 500. Recently my numbers have dipped alot so I havent experimented with it recently. However, when I was working upwards in the 4's and then turn around and heavy dead? No way, not happening. I want to get the most out of each lift. I have to seperate my 2 days. When I first began training I would be able to knock everything out in one day. I'd do squats and deads the same day, or 2 types of deads the same day. Now? Well with that workload its tough to do with proper form. I see people day in and day out telling me about their routine that they do this and they do that. Then watch them do it, and wala...their form is aweful because of improper planning. Not that you fellas dont plan correctly, I am just stating this from my experience. Same thing with deads, I couldnt imagine doing a different varation of deads at the same intensity after the first exercise of deads. Just my opinion.


Actually I agree with everything you just said in this post. When I was referring to doing stiff legs as an accessory to deads, I meant just that. An accessory to me is something in the range of 3-4*8-10. I agree theres no way in hell you can keep up the same intensity after perfoming a core lift like deads or squats.



Posted by: PushAndPull

Quote Originally Posted by Flathead View Post
Actually I agree with everything you just said in this post. When I was referring to doing stiff legs as an accessory to deads, I meant just that. An accessory to me is something in the range of 3-4*8-10. I agree theres no way in hell you can keep up the same intensity after perfoming a core lift like deads or squats.
The problem is, you can try too.



Posted by: Flathead

Quote Originally Posted by PushAndPull View Post
The problem is, you can try too.

No doubt



Posted by: MDR

Quote Originally Posted by Double D View Post
Heres where I am with this. I dont use any equipment, straps, knee wraps, belt, etc. My squat has gotten up to 525 and dead right around 500. Recently my numbers have dipped alot so I havent experimented with it recently. However, when I was working upwards in the 4's and then turn around and heavy dead? No way, not happening. I want to get the most out of each lift. I have to seperate my 2 days. When I first began training I would be able to knock everything out in one day. I'd do squats and deads the same day, or 2 types of deads the same day. Now? Well with that workload its tough to do with proper form. I see people day in and day out telling me about their routine that they do this and they do that. Then watch them do it, and wala...their form is aweful because of improper planning. Not that you fellas dont plan correctly, I am just stating this from my experience. Same thing with deads, I couldnt imagine doing a different varation of deads at the same intensity after the first exercise of deads. Just my opinion.
When I was competing as a powerlifter, my leg day consisted of squats, high-bar squats, front squats, ect. My best squat in competition was in the 700's. Deadlift days were much the same, and my PR was in the high 700's. It is tough to lift like this with proper form. But by no means impossible. Everyone in our gym on the powerlifting team followed this routine, and we had a number of national class lifters, and two world champions. The guy who owned the gym is in the powerlifting hall of fame. Just because something is outside of your realm of experience does not mean it is not possible, or that it is a bad idea. Just my opinion.



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