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Questions about 1-AD


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Posted by: ponyboy

Hey folks,

I have been researching this thoroughly and have two questions is anyone knows the answers. Both of them fall into the realm of not knowing which answer is correct...

1) Dosage - most people are saying to take 600mg per day as opposed to the 100-300mg recommended dosage. 600mg per day is not only a lot but would be damned expensive. Is this necessary or can you stick to the recommended dosage and still attain results? I was going to start with 200mg/day and see what happened but I want to make sure I'm actually going to see something out of it. 600mg per day would mean my supply would last for ten days, which is useless.

2) Side effects - some people say they lose libido and some say it skyrockets. Which is correct? The last thing I want is to lose my sex drive because my g/f is highly sexually demanding (and no, I'm not complaining ) I just want to make sure I'm "up for the task". People recommend taking 4-AD along with it to avoid this but I really can't afford that at this point. What are any other side effects? Some have indicated hair loss, backne, etc...but others have indicated no side effects at all.

Anyone who knows where to find the real answers or knows from experience please let me know.


Posted by: gopro

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Originally posted by ponyboy
Hey folks,

I have been researching this thoroughly and have two questions is anyone knows the answers. Both of them fall into the realm of not knowing which answer is correct...

1) Dosage - most people are saying to take 600mg per day as opposed to the 100-300mg recommended dosage. 600mg per day is not only a lot but would be damned expensive. Is this necessary or can you stick to the recommended dosage and still attain results? I was going to start with 200mg/day and see what happened but I want to make sure I'm actually going to see something out of it. 600mg per day would mean my supply would last for ten days, which is useless.

A HIGHER DOSAGE WILL BRING ABOUT BETTER RESULTS, NO DOUBT. HOWEVER, I THINK AS LONG AS YOU ARE NOT OVER 200 LBS THAT YOU CAN STILL MAKE GAINS ON 200-300 MG PER DAY. 1AD IS EXPENSIVE...AT THIS POINT SOME STRAIGHT 1-TEST MAY BE A BETTER BUY FOR MOST.

2) Side effects - some people say they lose libido and some say it skyrockets. Which is correct? The last thing I want is to lose my sex drive because my g/f is highly sexually demanding (and no, I'm not complaining ) I just want to make sure I'm "up for the task". People recommend taking 4-AD along with it to avoid this but I really can't afford that at this point. What are any other side effects? Some have indicated hair loss, backne, etc...but others have indicated no side effects at all.

THE SIDE EFFECTS ARE DIFFERENT FOR EVERYONE. IT IS VERY INDIVIDUAL. HOWEVER, ON A DOSE OF 200-300 MG PER DAY I DOUBT YOU WILL HAVE ANY PROBLEMS. HAIR LOSS AND ACNE IS QUITE RARE EXCEPT AMONG VERY SENSITIVE PEOPLE. THE LIBIDO THING CAN REALLY GO EITHER WAY. DON'T MAKE YOURSELF NUTS ABOUT IT...WAIT AND SEE.

Anyone who knows where to find the real answers or knows from experience please let me know.



Posted by: Corri

I've been looking into trying 1-AD as well. From what I've heard, the body converts it into 1-Testosterone. So if I can toss in another question on this thread..

What are the advantages of taking 1-AD over straight 1-Test? and vice-versa.


Posted by: gopro

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Originally posted by Corri
I've been looking into trying 1-AD as well. From what I've heard, the body converts it into 1-Testosterone. So if I can toss in another question on this thread..

What are the advantages of taking 1-AD over straight 1-Test? and vice-versa.
Good question. The answer is...taking staright 1-Test is better in most cases! Oddly though, a few people have gotten more out of 1-AD...strange but true. Still, given the choice, I'd go with a good 1-Test product.


Posted by: ponyboy

Thanks for all your advice GP.


Posted by: gopro

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Originally posted by ponyboy
Thanks for all your advice GP.
My pleasure!


Posted by: The_Chicken_Daddy

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Originally posted by gopro
Still, given the choice, I'd go with a good 1-Test product.
From what i've read, me too.

A transdermal one at that.

Avantlabs are a reliable company (note, any mods delete that line as they see fit if it's classified as spam).

Gopro, do you have any experience with 1-test or 1-AD?


Posted by: gopro

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Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy


From what i've read, me too.

A transdermal one at that.

Avantlabs are a reliable company (note, any mods delete that line as they see fit if it's classified as spam).

Gopro, do you have any experience with 1-test or 1-AD?
Avant puts out very good transdermals but 1AD and 1Test are both orally active, especially the newer 1-ethertest products.

I have had alot of experience with both 1AD and 1Test with my clientele. I have tried both myself, but can no longer do so b/c my BBing federation has banned them.


Posted by: The_Chicken_Daddy

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Originally posted by gopro
I have tried both myself, but can no longer do so b/c my BBing federation has banned them.

So what kind of gains did you notice with them?

And how would they know whether you've used them, if you used them several months before your test drug-tested comp? Is there some sort of method?

I was talking to a guy i know from my gym who's a member of some british natural association, and he was unsure whether ALA was allowed. I tried to tell him there's no real reason, that i can see, that it should be, but i figured you'd be a better person to ask.


Posted by: dg806

If I'm correct, it produces some the metabolites that real steriods do and can stay in your body for some time.


Posted by: gopro

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Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy



So what kind of gains did you notice with them?

And how would they know whether you've used them, if you used them several months before your test drug-tested comp? Is there some sort of method?

I was talking to a guy i know from my gym who's a member of some british natural association, and he was unsure whether ALA was allowed. I tried to tell him there's no real reason, that i can see, that it should be, but i figured you'd be a better person to ask.
ALA could not be banned...that would be ludicrous. As far as taking prohormones/prosteroids and testing clean... Stopping about a month or so out would be enough time to get it out of my system, but not out of my mind. I would still feel like a cheat! I would feel no better than the assholes I compete against that take real gear before a natural show.

I did do two short cycles of 1AD and 1Test to test out methods of taking them for optimal results. I do this mainly for my clients and for personal "research" purposes. I got solid gains from both, but slightly superior gains from 1-Test.


Posted by: Mikes1

Which brand of 1-test did you use?


Posted by: gopro

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Originally posted by Mikes1
Which brand of 1-test did you use?
VPX


Posted by: Mikes1

That's what i have waiting for me.

In other posts you have said that we should take 1-test with flaxseed oil (spelling?) which i can't find around here. Is it ok to use a table spoon of olive oil or am i totally off on this one?

Mike


Posted by: gopro

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Originally posted by Mikes1
That's what i have waiting for me.

In other posts you have said that we should take 1-test with flaxseed oil (spelling?) which i can't find around here. Is it ok to use a table spoon of olive oil or am i totally off on this one?

Mike
Yes, you can use olive oil.


Posted by: Mikes1

Thank's gopro!


Posted by: gopro

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Originally posted by Mikes1
Thank's gopro!




Posted by: dg806

Just an interesting side note......
1AD is suppose to have a 14% conversion...
1,4 andro (Boldione) is said to have 45%
Avant labs One and One + is said to be between 35-40%....


So, point here? Transdermals work better than 1-ad. Not knocking 1-ad though because it works. And I think I will try Boldione in a stack with super One+ next. I have not heard of that combo yet and I am curious what the results will be(1-test+4-ad+1,4 andro)??


Posted by: gopro

Not at all knocking what you said dg, but trandermals do not always work better for everyone. I have seen people gain 10-15 lbs on 1-AD in 6-8 weeks...even more for oral 1-Test.

I don't think the transdermals are much more effective than the orals, but this may have to do with genetic differences in skin permeability and thickness and/or digestive tract/enzyme differences.

If one decides to go the transdermal route however, it seems that Avant Labs have the best products of the kind.


Posted by: The_Chicken_Daddy

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Originally posted by dg806
Just an interesting side note......
1AD is suppose to have a 14% conversion...
That's only after 1 hour. It doesn't tell you the total conversion.

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1,4 andro (Boldione) is said to have 45%
Avant labs One and One + is said to be between 35-40%....
ONE and ONE+ both contain 1-test (with ONE+ containing 4-AD) and so don't need to convert to anything to exert their anabolic effects. I believe you're mixing up 'conversion' with 'absorbtion', or the like- i.e. how much actually gets through the skin to where it's needed.

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So, point here? Transdermals work better than 1-ad. Not knocking 1-ad though because it works. And I think I will try Boldione in a stack with super One+ next. I have not heard of that combo yet and I am curious what the results will be(1-test+4-ad+1,4 andro)??
I agree with Gopro about some people favoruing orals over transdermals for various reasons.

Anyhoo, good luck with the cycle.


Posted by: dg806

Yeah, maybe I should have said for most, transdermals work better, because I'm sure some have gotten same or better results from orals. But I still think overall transdermals work better for most. And TCD I am talking absorption rates. So I guess for 1-ad that is after it is converted. So I am curious as to why, if transdermals are more than twice why some people do so good with orals? I really like GP's explanation on skin differences. And from read I've read 1,4 andro really converts very well. So well in fact that it would be useless to try to make it a transdermal because it is aready higher than what they are currently getting. And also it may be hard to attach an ester to it.



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