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Posted by: Gena Marie

Aside from you Rob, can anyone give me any pointers on tough love for our 18year old son?
I am smart enough to know what I need to do, but my heart is a lot weaker then my head. Our son is super smart and very good looking. The problem is, he is lazy and uses his looks to get him through life. So many time we thought he was doing great and going to be successful, only to be let down. Most recent thing, college. The fact that he is even in college, community never the less, shocks the shit out of me based on the past 4 + years with this never a dull moment child. I told him I would financially help him as long as he is in school, working and getting good grades. We just got back from a mini vacation only to find out that he is on academic probation due to his GPA. He has been telling me he is doing good, I guess to get the funding from me. So now what? I told him I would give him 1 more semester to prove himself, but when is enough enough?
I grew up with not a whole lot and a parent who didn't believe in me. I fought for what I have today, I don't have it all, but I live life very well. I don't want to fail him by giving into his shit all the time like I have, but I also don't want to let him down like my family did to me.
Thoughts? Suggestions??



Posted by: Prince

you already know the answer, now just follow thru with it.



Posted by: Gena Marie

I already told you, your response not necessary. You are an amazing father and I know you want me to not fail Jon the way I am, baby, we just grew up a little different, so it's hard for me to fully listen to you even thought you are right 100% of the time.



Posted by: Mudge

Sometimes lifes best lessons are the most painful, i.e. maybe he needs to fight on his own? But, that may take years to bear fruit, as making $10 an hour might work for a few years, so who knows how long it will take until he decides that isn't enough to keep him happy... and then he might feel its too late or embarrassing to go back to school, there are numerous possibilities.

You might, hopefully, get some excellent feedback. But nobody here knows him like you two do, and that makes it tougher (I think anyway). It sounds like something in the form of a cut off etc, if he is living on his own then he has it on easy street, I had to stay home while in school.

As an example most people who inherit lots of money, piss it away and sometimes kill themselves with it. Those who do the best in life are those who fight for it, so maybe all you can do is remind him how important it is, he isn't probably going to be happy making $30-$50k a year when he is trying to raise a family 10-15 years from now, but only HE can decide to be a success.

FWIW, Tony Robbins also says that pain is the best teacher. I think it makes sense on a very low, fundamental level. Many of us don't learn well on easy street.

I love quotes...

"Spoon feeding in the long run teaches us nothing but the shape of the spoon" - E. M. Forster

"People's behavior makes sense if you think about it in terms of their goals, needs, and motives." - Thomas Mann

"You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him find it within himself." - Galielo Galilei

Only he can make himself get up, and walk through that door.



Posted by: Prince

Quote Originally Posted by Mudge View Post
Tony Robbins also says that pain is the best teacher. I think it makes sense on a very low, fundamental level. Many of us don't learn well on easy street.
I agree.



Posted by: REDDOG309

Wow!! My Wife and I are living in the almost exact same situation. My son is 19, Hansome kid, Not a genius but smart enough. He goes to A Penn State satalite campus and just completed his first semester. My Wife completed his History final for him and he thinks that is o-k. It was an at home 3000 word report. It took Her a whole weekend to finish this for him while He thought it was o-k to sit in his room and play X-box while she did this. Of course I flipped out on Him and on Her because in my mind I thought this was bullshit. I keep waiting for him to figure it out for himself but that don't seem to be happening anytime soon. I pay for everything from His Date money to his car insurance with the expectation that he just get good grades in college. This week alone he went through E-Z pass lanes without a pass twice, 80 bucks each, lost his 400 dollar glasses, hit a curb and cut his sidewall on his tire 125 bucks and lost his car keys with the fob thing on it. On the other hand hes a very nice kid, don't drink and don't do drugs. Most adults that know him really like him, so Hes got that going for him. BUT, Hes 19 and I am parenting him like hes 12. So I try to play tough love But thats hard to maintain.
Sorry about the long run on, but again we are in the same boat as you guys.
Good luck and maybe I can learn something here also.



Posted by: MDR

Along the same lines of what Mudge said, there is the thought that you learn more from mistakes than success. That process breaks down if there are no consequences for your mistakes. I think one of the biggest problems I see parents have is holding young people accountable for their behavior. I work in secondary education, and some of the same issues are responsible in large part for our failing educational system, IMHO.



Posted by: LAM

that's a tough one. our society has set a bad example, it's very obvious that good looking people have it easier and kids pick up on this stuff very early. there's a lot of recent studies all about this topic.



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Posted by: Mudge

^ haha...



Posted by: DarkHorse

I agree. Ship him out to the military........ or just follow through with your consequences. It takes some people a little longer to mature, so if you cut him off from all the pampering, he'll realize that he needs to work for everything he has. It may take a couple years of floundering, but I think he will realize what a great opportunity you are offering him.



Posted by: Gena Marie

Quote Originally Posted by Mudge View Post
Sometimes lifes best lessons are the most painful, i.e. maybe he needs to fight on his own? But, that may take years to bear fruit, as making $10 an hour might work for a few years, so who knows how long it will take until he decides that isn't enough to keep him happy... and then he might feel its too late or embarrassing to go back to school, there are numerous possibilities.

You might, hopefully, get some excellent feedback. But nobody here knows him like you two do, and that makes it tougher (I think anyway). It sounds like something in the form of a cut off etc, if he is living on his own then he has it on easy street, I had to stay home while in school.

As an example most people who inherit lots of money, piss it away and sometimes kill themselves with it. Those who do the best in life are those who fight for it, so maybe all you can do is remind him how important it is, he isn't probably going to be happy making $30-$50k a year when he is trying to raise a family 10-15 years from now, but only HE can decide to be a success.

FWIW, Tony Robbins also says that pain is the best teacher. I think it makes sense on a very low, fundamental level. Many of us don't learn well on easy street.

I love quotes...

"Spoon feeding in the long run teaches us nothing but the shape of the spoon" - E. M. Forster

"People's behavior makes sense if you think about it in terms of their goals, needs, and motives." - Thomas Mann

"You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him find it within himself." - Galielo Galilei

Only he can make himself get up, and walk through that door.
Thank you for the great response. Like Rob said, I know what to do. At 18 I was put in a position where I had to either sink or swim. I swam my ass off. To me, I became very successful unlike anyone else in my family. I hate tough love, but I want our son to be like me.
Thanks again



Posted by: Gena Marie

Thank you everyone for all your feedback. I need to toughen up my ass and learn the word NO! I can do this.
Happy Holidays
XOXO's



Posted by: Prince

Quote Originally Posted by DarkHorse View Post
I agree. Ship him out to the military........ or just follow through with your consequences. It takes some people a little longer to mature, so if you cut him off from all the pampering, he'll realize that he needs to work for everything he has. It may take a couple years of floundering, but I think he will realize what a great opportunity you are offering him.




Posted by: maniclion

Same situation and I'm only 33....my gf's 21 year old daughter was just skating by with the bare minimum grades at school, we sent her to San Fran. after she kept hanging with her friends here instead of going to class.... She had a house we paid rent on, got $1000 a month for expenses, and a couple hundred on weekends for fun, plus we paid her tuition, everything all she had to do was study. Her grades remained shit, so eventually we cut her off except for rent and she had to get a job....Now she is working and going to school and the grades have improved because if she wants extra cash she knows we won't send it if she hasn't earned it.....sometimes those little birds just need to have their worm regurgitations taken away so they learn to hunt for themselves....



Posted by: Dark Geared God

Recognizing that I volunteered as a Ranger, fully knowing the hazards of my chosen profession, I will always endeavor to uphold the prestige, honor, and high esprit de corps of the Rangers.
Acknowledging the fact that a Ranger is a more elite soldier who arrives at the cutting edge of battle by land, sea, or air, I accept the fact that as a Ranger my country expects me to move further, faster and fight harder than any other soldier.
Never shall I fail my comrades. I will always keep myself mentally alert, physically strong and morally straight and I will shoulder more than my share of the task whatever it may be. One-hundred-percent and then some.
Gallantly will I show the world that I am a specially selected and well-trained soldier. My courtesy to superior officers, neatness of dress and care of equipment shall set the example for others to follow.
Energetically will I meet the enemies of my country. I shall defeat them on the field of battle for I am better trained and will fight with all my might. Surrender is not a Ranger word. I will never leave a fallen comrade to fall into the hands of the enemy and under no circumstances will I ever embarrass my country.
Readily will I display the intestinal fortitude required to fight on to the Ranger objective and complete the mission though I be the lone survivor.
Rangers Lead The Way





Posted by: Mudge

Quote Originally Posted by Gena Marie View Post
Thank you for the great response. Like Rob said, I know what to do. At 18 I was put in a position where I had to either sink or swim. I swam my ass off. To me, I became very successful unlike anyone else in my family. I hate tough love, but I want our son to be like me.
Thanks again
The hungry man, finds a way to eat!



Posted by: maniclion

Quote Originally Posted by Dark Geared God View Post
Recognizing that I volunteered as a Ranger, fully knowing the hazards of my chosen profession, I will always endeavor to uphold the prestige, honor, and high esprit de corps of the Rangers.
Acknowledging the fact that a Ranger is a more elite soldier who arrives at the cutting edge of battle by land, sea, or air, I accept the fact that as a Ranger my country expects me to move further, faster and fight harder than any other soldier.
Never shall I fail my comrades. I will always keep myself mentally alert, physically strong and morally straight and I will shoulder more than my share of the task whatever it may be. One-hundred-percent and then some.
Gallantly will I show the world that I am a specially selected and well-trained soldier. My courtesy to superior officers, neatness of dress and care of equipment shall set the example for others to follow.
Energetically will I meet the enemies of my country. I shall defeat them on the field of battle for I am better trained and will fight with all my might. Surrender is not a Ranger word. I will never leave a fallen comrade to fall into the hands of the enemy and under no circumstances will I ever embarrass my country.
Readily will I display the intestinal fortitude required to fight on to the Ranger objective and complete the mission though I be the lone survivor.
Rangers Lead The Way

is that a real patch cause it looks gay as fuck....



Posted by: Dark Geared God


picture right off the uniform




Posted by: maniclion

Quote Originally Posted by Dark Geared God View Post

picture right off the uniform
That other one looks like the skull is sucking the shine of that sword....



Posted by: Dark Geared God

Quote Originally Posted by maniclion View Post
That other one looks like the skull is sucking the shine of that sword....
ya thats how you would look on my dick



Posted by: Gena Marie

You all are so funny. I can not believe I have been missing out on all of this for so long. No more my friends.



Posted by: Dark Geared God

Quote Originally Posted by Gena Marie View Post
You all are so funny. I can not believe I have been missing out on all of this for so long. No more my friends.




Posted by: Mudge

It does look a bit... home made lol



Posted by: maniclion

Quote Originally Posted by Dark Geared God View Post
ya thats how you would look on my dick
If you had one.....I can do your gyno moobs like that......for a fee



Posted by: Dark Geared God

Quote Originally Posted by Mudge View Post
It does look a bit... home made lol




Posted by: Dark Geared God

Quote Originally Posted by maniclion View Post
If you had one.....I can do your gyno moobs like that......for a fee
I don't understand u must bbe high right now post again



Posted by: maniclion

Quote Originally Posted by Dark Geared God View Post
I don't understand u must bbe high right now post again
All the cool patches like this and you posted the most cartoonish.....




This may or may not have been one of my patches....




Posted by: Dark Geared God

diff ranger units mah knigg.

al k one not so



Posted by: ZECH

It's tough Gena, but one day he will actually thank you for being tough and will have the same dicispline tactics toward his own children because of what you taught him. I think kids in general these days have the feeling that we owe them. Well once they turn 18 or get out of college, it's on them, not us. They are all spolied by what we give them, that we did not have when we were kids. If they had to live in our shoes when we were kids, they would be shocked. Hang in there, it will get better, but you gotta put your foot down first.



Posted by: Dark Geared God





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