I think that either way when you take any AAS you are going to have HPTA shutdown. Yes some are slightly worse than others but either way after your body realizes that it no longer needs to produce as much test because your body is flooded, you are going to have shutdown. Studies administering 100mg per week of Nandrolone decanoate for 6 weeks have demonstrated an approximate 57% reduction in serum testosterone levels during therapy. At a doseage of 300mg per week, this reduction reached 70%. It is believed that the progestational activity of nandrolone notably contributes to the suppression of testosterone synthesis during useage, which can be marked in spite of a low tendency for estrogen conversion. Without the intervention of testosterone stimulating substances testosterone levels should return to normal within 2-6 months after the useage is halted. Though I am yet to experience this drug myself ( this is subject to change in the next couple of months), on paper this drug seems to be only slightly worse than testosterone for the HPTA. This being said everyone is different so this will probably vary somewhat person to person.

That's good info TBG and exactly why I am looking for real-life experiences. I have read numerous conflicting articles about Deca and recovery, but they all agreed that Deca, because of the cumulative effect of its long ester, will delay recovery. I've read posts on other boards where people were not recovered even after several months, but who knows if they did their PCT right, ran HCG, etc.

I know that a lot of people on this board have used deca, so I am hoping for some first-hand experiences...

Sloppy - I am curious to see as well whether this problem is isolated to the long-estered decanoate and doesn't apply to the npp, as it leaves the body quicker and does not have quite the cumulative effect because of the shorter half-life.

Hopefully, CT, HeavyIron and some of the other vets will weight in on this issue as well...

CT,

Im pretty sure we are talking about NPP here. I know GMO didn't specify it in the first post but I was under the impression that NPP is what he is using this cycle because he didn't want to run it that long.

CT,

Im pretty sure we are talking about NPP here. I know GMO didn't specify it in the first post but I was under the impression that NPP is what he is using this cycle because he didn't want to run it that long.

My bad guys.

If it's a bulk, I think the dbol at the end would be great. I've heard a few guys say that it makes PCT a little harder though.

I thought we were taking about deca(as in the 'deca'nate ester)? I really am curious on how much easier recovery would be with NPP vs Deca.

It NPP would obviously clear faster which would allow you to start pct sooner, but I wonder if the recovery would be any faster otherwise?

CT, you're saying to shoot NPP with a slin pin?

Yes, yes I am.

I've posted many times on how it's done.

Question for you Bro:

The PCT is harder because they are running dbol at the end or any oral at the end? Thanks.

CT, I've only heard it specifically mentioned with dbol. I believe Victor is the one whos has said this.

I didn't say it was fact, I just mentioned it was something I read.

i dont know much about pct but deca is very nice and not very harsh and makes my workouts very heavy.

nice post

You're still going to have to run pramipexole throughout the entire cycle but so what, the strength that comes with it is second to none.

CT, I value your opinion so, please elaborate on the Prami through the whole cycle.

What are pros of running dbol towards the end of a cycle?

More weight Gain.

Cons.

Harder PCT.

How so?

You're still going to have to run pramipexole throughout the entire cycle but so what, the strength that comes with it is second to none.

You use it to stop any prolactin related gyno you may get from a 19-Nor steroids like Deca.

Suppress the HTPA system more.
As it would do at the start as well.
I don't think it will cause that much of a hindrance.

There really isn't "more" of a shut down by adding additional dbol. Especially with the 4.5 hour half life. You can use it for a failed PCT due to the short half life, while you try again.

Once you're shut down, you're down.

Makes sense to me.
Thanks for shedding light on that for me.


Speaking of a failed PCT.
I have a guy on another board who done Cycle shity PCT now 6 month later Test levels are still shit.
How would you go about using Dbol to try again ?

Start with 10mg dbol ED first hing in the AM. That will take the "crash" out of him while he tries another PCT. It's going to take a longer time to try and recover but it can be done.

1000ius HCG EOD for 8 weeks
75ius HMG ED for 8 weeks
50mg clomid ED for 8 weeks
10mg dbol ED for 8 weeks first thing in the AM, this is important as it mimicks the bodys natural testosterone release and will completely clear the system in 9 hours, the remaining 15 will be left for recovery.

Not sure what you are asking bro.

You know 19-Nor steroids cause prolactin related gyno so we take things like prami or caber to combat this.