"Trump predicts his debt elimination combined with his tax cuts would trigger a 35 to 40 percent boost in economic activity, with more business startups, more jobs, and more prosperity."

more supply-side voodoo economics....lol at taking financial advice from someone that uses bankruptcy courts as part of his business model.

well, I guess that rules out Republicans/Conservatives supporting Trump. lol

"Trump predicts his debt elimination combined with his tax cuts would trigger a 35 to 40 percent boost in economic activity, with more business startups, more jobs, and more prosperity."

more supply-side voodoo economics....lol at taking financial advice from someone that uses bankruptcy courts as part of his business model.

hmmm

The wealthy wouldn't leave. It's a hollow threat that makes conservatives shake in their boots. The wealthy won't leave because they have it too damn good here. If anywhere else really were that good they'd have left already.

Did you people miss the part about getting rid of the inheritance tax at the same time? Essentially, Trump wants rich folk to put up 14.25% of their net worth now rather than a much larger percentage when they pass their wealth on to their children. This wouldn't be a tax on the rich, this would be a boon for them.

The wealthy wouldn't leave. It's a hollow threat that makes conservatives shake in their boots. The wealthy won't leave because they have it too damn good here. If anywhere else really were that good they'd have left already.

Damn, tax the rich, isn't that your mantra along with giving the middle class every possible tax cut imaginable. I can't believe you aren't in support of this, it is in fact what you want right?

but that statement is nothing more than Reagan bull-shit supply side economics repacked by Trump.....it didn't work under Reagan or Bush I or II but somehow magically when applied under a Trump presidency it would finally work?

The wealthy wouldn't leave. It's a hollow threat that makes conservatives shake in their boots. The wealthy won't leave because they have it too damn good here. If anywhere else really were that good they'd have left already.

Reach your 50 post mark yet?

Right, your economics is to tax people and businesses into the ground and keep on spending to keep the lower class continually leaching and ultimately be forever dependent off the governments tit. You offer nothing but the same old rhetoric that drives us further into oblivion.

China-bashing Trump's clothing line made in China

Donald Trump has emerged in recent years as the nation's foremost China basher, going after the Asian superpower for undervaluing its currency and for taking American manufacturing and jobs. So it's at least ironic -- and at most an example of gross hypocrisy -- that Trump's own line of men's wear, the Donald J. Trump Signature Collection, is manufactured in China.

Your just a turd that wont go down after several flushes.

Public education is shit and a bottomless pit. Government collusions? Holy shit! Didn't know that. Thanks for beating the dead corporation horse again. You have claimed before that I need economics classes. It doesn't take a godamn rocket scientist to know what I already stated rings truth. You got a deadbeat class dependent on government handouts growing by the day and you want the rich and corporations to foot their ever-growing bill. Great economics plan. Rob peter to pay paul while paul sits on his dead ass drinking 40s. Go ahead and add 10 more things to the mix, it doesn't matter. Bring up Abraham Lincoln, mickey mouse and the theory of dark matter/energy to mave the shell around a bit. Your constituants plans are still dogshit.

Public education is shit and a bottomless pit.

You honestly think the best way to make our pathetic students smarter and more competitive globally is to take funding away from education?

You got a deadbeat class dependent on government handouts growing by the day and you want the rich and corporations to foot their ever-growing bill. Great economics plan.

supply-side economics works so great a good portion of Wallmart employees rely on food stamps and other public assistance to get by...great wages the Walton's are paying hugh?


Companies With the Highest Revenue - Tracked.com

that's misleading....it's because of equal opportunity employer that a large number of walmart employees are minorities and we all know how minorities love their gov't handouts......so they're not "relying" on food stamps....they feel they're "entitled" to them.......

yes......the plan is to actually have more tax money shifted from public to private in the way of school vouchers.....it's working in Detroit and DC

This Just In: Vouchers Work | Hoover Institution

Test-Score 'Facts' Need Media Scrutiny

We don't have a Walmart in NYC.

Oh, and btw, fuck the poor. They have been wallowing in their misery long enough and getting the free rides for decades. Time to ween them off the government tit. If they don't like it? Too godamn bad. They should do something with themselves and pay their fair share of taxes like I have to. Deadbeats are the scourge and this country needs a good cleansing.

i love how people choose where they work and then complain about it.....

yes, American's in 2011 have so many options as to where they can work the unemployment rate is still 9% and the underemployment rate is 18%+

U.S. Underemployment Steady at 18.4% in July

the easiest fix to the economy and employment is to do whatever it takes to reduce gas back to $2 or less a gallon......that frees up money for everything....companies to ship more, produce more, hire more, get more sales, and the average american will spend more because that's what we do is spend (even when we don't have it unfortunately "funny money")

yes......the plan is to actually have more tax money shifted from public to private in the way of school vouchers.....it's working in Detroit and DC

This Just In: Vouchers Work | Hoover Institution

Test-Score 'Facts' Need Media Scrutiny

It isn't working in Detroit. Probably not in DC, either.

yes......the plan is to actually have more tax money shifted from public to private in the way of school vouchers.....it's working in Detroit and DC

This Just In: Vouchers Work | Hoover Institution

Test-Score 'Facts' Need Media Scrutiny

So, you think there is enough money in the public coffers to pay for every single student in the U.S. to go to private school? Despite there being nowhere near enough charter/private schools to take them all, it would cost way too much. I do like that students do better in these situations, but they do so because of the small class sizes. These schools are going to become overcrowded and suffer the same fate as public school if every student in the US goes to them. If the infrastructure was there I would think this is a great idea, but it's not.

there won't be "total" privatization.....there will be both public and private, but let's be real.....public education is draining the taxpayers and not getting the desired results......remember i'm in wisconsin on the frontlines of this union thuggery that's going on......and also these vouchers should be in the form of scholarships, which means kids need to start stepping up to the plate (and some good parenting needs to be done).....you can give to tools to succeed, but you can't permanently remove the ghetto or trailer park mentality....

I could get behind this, but they would have to raise taxes to do it.

Oh, and btw, fuck the poor. They have been wallowing in their misery long enough and getting the free rides for decades. Time to ween them off the government tit. If they don't like it? Too godamn bad. They should do something with themselves and pay their fair share of taxes like I have to. Deadbeats are the scourge and this country needs a good cleansing.

you can't force kids to show up to school.....but for those who do it IS working......i think i'm mistaken about detroit....i know DC is doing well, i can't remember the other metro area that's doing it that's been well documented on it...i thought it was detroit sorry

does being a conservative come with mandatory feedings of lead and other heavy metals?

poor people can not get credit there fore they do not create revolving debt or any interest bearing debts, the "middle class" does...

TARP was to provide monies to banks so they can keep giving credit out to the middle class so they can keep consuming. US economy is based 70% of consumption.

retail spending is decreasing because the middle class has run out of credit, recent changes in bankruptcy laws is keeping consumer credit down.

typical conservative "ideology" is to evade the real issue of stagnant wages and income inequality and put the blame on the poor, pathetic....

you sure can't and it doesn't help when the "parent" is only 16-18 years older than the child and they themselves don't have a complete education. it's a viscous cycle that we have to find a way to break somehow.

So, you think there is enough money in the public coffers to pay for every single student in the U.S. to go to private school? Despite there being nowhere near enough charter/private schools to take them all, it would cost way too much.

You expect people working at McDonalds and Walmart to have a LIVING wage. It doesn't happen and never has. Every job is not designed or WORTH to be a living wage - thats where people get.. get ready for it... 2 or 3 jobs to cover the expenses. Just like I did to get on my feet - or my brothers or some friends I know. God forbid people take initiative.

The poor, poor people are obviously exempt in your eyes - while you seem to ignore the fact that it is draining us dry - along with government mismanagement, shady dealings, etc. If you feel so strongly on the subject, put your money where your mouth is.

I take my heavy metals just like everyone else here, including you, liberal. Through my AAS made in.... CHINA!

lol @ anyone getting 2-3 jobs in the year 2011 have you seen the unemployment and underemployment numbers?..I also had 2 jobs to get myself ahead but that was 20 years ago when it was possible. you guys on the right always offer "solutions" that are not applicable in the REAL WORLD that we live in today...

U.S. Underemployment Steady at 18.4% in July

please show the data were the poor are running up the budget deficit...there is no INTEREST PAID on monies spent used on social protection programs, they are paid for unlike monies used to fund wars and tax cuts for the top 2% all of those monies are borrowed and we have to pay interest on those loans. that is where the majority of the 14T deficit has come from excluding the couple of T added under Obama..

The US has gone broke not paying for the poor but for spending money on the military budget so oil company's could get contracts to Iraqi oil fields and defense contractors can increase their stock prices....blaming the poor is the same old tired conservative rhetoric..

I went to a private school where tuition was less than what the average amount spent per public school student was. I received a much better education also. Unfortunately, the right gets labeled as uncaring whenever they want to cut spending on anything. The left goes on about how poor the U.S. students perform yet we are also one of the top spenders on public education. I thought it was fairly common knowledge that the US not only spends more on education but that over time performance hasn't improved because of it. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see how people can continue to make the argument that we need to increase education spending. We need to do something but I don't think it's a problem we can spend our way out of.

President to Call for Big New Ed. Spending.Here’s a Look at How that’s Worked in the Past | Cato @ Liberty

Yeah, a couple of Trillion in what, 2.5 half years. So he added over 25% to the already high 11.5 trillion dollar deficit when he came in (that could be a little off so lay off if I missed a few hundred billion). What is shocking is you don't find this repulsive at all, that much added by one man and his party, and you have the nerve to call everyone else wrong. Please, this problem is so deep rooted you can't find an end in sight.

I went to a private school where tuition was less than what the average amount spent per public school student was. I received a much better education also. Unfortunately, the right gets labeled as uncaring whenever they want to cut spending on anything. The left goes on about how poor the U.S. students perform yet we are also one of the top spenders on public education. I thought it was fairly common knowledge that the US not only spends more on education but that over time performance hasn't improved because of it. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see how people can continue to make the argument that we need to increase education spending. We need to do something but I don't think it's a problem we can spend our way out of.

President to Call for Big New Ed. Spending.Here’s a Look at How that’s Worked in the Past | Cato @ Liberty

Yeah, a couple of Trillion in what, 2.5 half years. So he added over 25% to the already high 11.5 trillion dollar deficit when he came in (that could be a little off so lay off if I missed a few hundred billion). What is shocking is you don't find this repulsive at all, that much added by one man and his party, and you have the nerve to call everyone else wrong. Please, this problem is so deep rooted you can't find an end in sight.

I will say I firmly believe that Barry O, Harry Reid and a few choice Republicans need to get the fuck out of Washington. Until there are term limits, nothing will change. Until they take away the lifetime pension for being a congressman, nothing will change. Both parties are wrong right now by bitching instead of finding some way to solve this that does not hang someone out to dry in the process. LAM, your determination is honorable but I truly believe you substitute studies and what you read for simple logic on occasion. I don't need an economist to tell me Barry O blew the fucking deficit through the roof and is continuing to do so with no end in sight; I just need to know how to add.

A lot of really smart people who are very successful all agree, Barry O is a weak, ineffective President and we could have chosen better. Hopefully that changes in 2012.

higher spending and wages DO NOT EQUAL BETTER TEST SCORES.....and being from wisconsin and against Unions and their thuggery I can say that once we remove collective bargaining and they start paying their fair share of their retirement and benefits just like everyone else does they'll be forced to "teach" instead of just showing up to work......the unions protect and promote complacency....they need to be graded on their results and rewarded or removed accordingly......I Support Gov Walker!

Hell yea! Let's blame the president for everything!!!
Way to go!!

Much of the problem is the teachers unions which, by design, protect incompetency and makes the system serve the employees, rather than the students it's supposed to educate. Unionization has no place in the PE system. There is a reason why people who can afford it send their kids to private schools. The quality of the product (education) has not dropped into the shitter courtesy of the teachers' unions.

Damn straight, the unions have WAY too much power. Look at this complete shit they are pulling with Boeing, disgusting the nerve the NLRB has. You are going to tell a company what it can do, really, how about you go FUCK YOURSELF instead!

I don't believe we need to cut funding for education. But, lack of funding isn't what's hurting the public education system. In AL, we have some of the worst public school systems in the country (thank god for Mississippi & DC or we'd the worst). Yet, AL spends more money per student than most other states. Much of the problem is the teachers unions which, by design, protect incompetency and makes the system serve the employees, rather than the students it's supposed to educate. Unionization has no place in the PE system. There is a reason why people who can afford it send their kids to private schools. The quality of the product (education) has not dropped into the shitter courtesy of the teachers' unions.

Here's a thought. Imagine a scenario where you are zoned for a particular grocery store, based on your zip code and said grocery store is fully staffed by union workers that can not be fired unless they commit (and are convicted of) a serious illegal act. You are not allowed to buy your groceries anywhere else. The argument is that it wouldn't be fair nor ethical to allow people in your zip code to shop elsewhere, regardless of how good or bad the products and service are. After all, the store might go out of business and put the employees of the store out of work. Now, would you expect the quality and service offered by this store to improve or down? There's is scenario should help explain why the PE system in some parts of this country are hardly competitive with any 3rd world country.

If you want to improve education in under privilided communities, school vouchers would allow the money to follow the student and put under performing schools out of business and force incompetent teachers out of the profession, yes out of work. The purpose of the system is not to provide cradle to grave benefits for anyone. It is to provide education for kids, nothing more, nothing less. Just my evil and heartless neo-con thought for the day.

The graph I posted shows the decline of wages in the US with the decline of the labor unions in the country

You can also correlate that union membership does not increase wages as those that stayed in, saw little wage gain. Unions had their time and place, they need to go.

The problem is that it changes the dynamics of the system so that it serves the employees as opposed to the kids.

You can also correlate that union membership does not increase wages as those that stayed in, saw little wage gain. Unions had their time and place, they need to go.

For instance, if you can't fire a first grade teacher even though two thirds of his/her class can't read or write at the end of every year, that is a problem and it's a result of the teachers' unions.

yes that way company's can pay their employees the bare minimum just like Wallmart, then things would really get better in a land where the cost of everything increases annually...low wages is one of the main reasons why household debt mainly from the middle class is at like 100%+ of GDP

the IMF recommends that country's NOT follow the US in terms of labor practices...

UNEMPLOYMENT AND LABOR MARKET INSTITUTIONS:
WHY REFORMS PAY OFF
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/...f/chapter4.pdf

* that is pretty sound advice coming from the debt collecter of governments and multi-national corporations..

The handouts are over, we screwed that pooch for the last 30-40 years and the country is now broke because of it. Back in the day people worked for what they got, not people think they are entitled, guess what, YOU'RE NOT!

The graph I posted shows the decline of wages in the US with the decline of the labor unions in the country

the graph is misleading because it shows income only and not income plus benefits totals.....

Two separate things.

Everyone is ignoring the root cause of this problem. Our monetary system is based on debt. Any solution is temporary. The international banking system needs to change and that's never going to happen. Let is all fall to shit. Then we can build it better without the international banking system. Let nations regulate and produce their own currency and get these criminals out of banking. I better watch what I'm saying or I could end up killed off like Lincoln and Kennedy. Thankfully I have no power so I can rage against the machine.

Unionization does not increase wages [in our current times, before it did, I cannot and will not argue that], when are you going to understand this? It drives up costs to the employer, the workers in mandatory union dues, decreases investment that also prevents growth. Successful companies pay their employees and give wage increases; been there, seen it and with success and growth comes advancement (wage increases come with advancement). Companies burdened by extensive cost structures fail and we need look no farther than Detroit for some charming examples. GM failed once, Chrysler twice and luckily Ford saw the light right as it stood on the precipice of failure. Not to mention the companies and brands that completely went away (Oldsmobile, Pontiac to name a few).

You always say there are no free markets, well unions are a MAJOR part of that problem. How is Boeing able to operate freely when some asshole union that has no right to do what they are, tries to stop them from expanding production of an already behind schedule airliner. Oh yeah, they did a good job in 2008 of hastening the delays to the 787 schedule as well; its like their idea of success and job security is to drag out schedules so long companies miss obligations (and lose orders, just like what is happening to Boeing right now). In almost no situation is a union an effective solution. People want to get paid more, make the business case to your supervisor you are not getting paid what you are worth. Sorry, its time people stopped bitching, moaning and crying in the corner and do something about it themselves. If you don't like your job or your wage, find a new one. And save the "there aren't any argument" BS, if you are already employed and are in good standing, you will be able to find another job it just might not be next week.

The handouts are over, we screwed that pooch for the last 30-40 years and the country is now broke because of it. Back in the day people worked for what they got, not people think they are entitled, guess what, YOU'RE NOT!

the graph is misleading because it shows income only and not income plus benefits totals.....

IDK about that. If I had been receiving family health coverage for $10-20 per month instead of $440 at my last job, that would have been a pretty descent raise. Some of the union workers at Ford & GM were getting full coverage for about that much. They could afford those benefits when their only competition was other union shops. But, enter Germany, Japan, and Korea, and that changed. There is a Hundai plant, Mercedes plant, and a Honda plant here in AL. They aren't union, but they put their new hires through a training program and start them out at around $20+ per hour with pretty good benefits. It would seem that they pay so well in order to avoid unionization before it happens. That is pretty good pay for a guy with a HS diploma.

You always say there are no free markets, well unions are a MAJOR part of that problem. How is Boeing able to operate freely when some asshole union that has no right to do what they are, tries to stop them from expanding production of an already behind schedule airliner.

reality check; social welfare is NOT A FUCKING 'RIGHT'! dont whine that they are taking YOUR health care,social security, welfare, ect away. you never should have gotten a fucking penny of it to start anyhow!

welfare is not a right but every single civilized nation in the world has some sort of welfare system. fiscal support at 2% of GDP and 20% publicly mandated the US spends the least out of every other country on the planet and also has the greatest income inequality, surely no direct correlation there...

your response sounds like you want MORE money from hardworking taxpayers to go to welfare? HELL NO.....we need to cut much of it so the "welfare culture" stops......when people have no free rides they're forced to work instead of gov't handouts......you couldn't be any more of a left wing nutjob lam......people create they're own situations and get out it they do the right things.....i have no sympathy for anyone living in the trailer parks or projects....i got out....so can they....fuck 'em all!

you sure can't and it doesn't help when the "parent" is only 16-18 years older than the child and they themselves don't have a complete education. it's a viscous cycle that we have to find a way to break somehow.

NCLB made things much worst in terms of education and what does unionization have to do with the performance of students?

most of the education problems can be traced back to the decline of the family, there is now 40 years of evidence that shows children born and raised by single mothers achieve less across the board.

divorce..children generally have more problems than those that come from parents that stay together. this group performs better than the single mother group because they typically get child support while 50% of single mothers receive $0.

today both parents typically work long hours, this creates less of a family environment further disrupting the educational process...

NCLB was just one more example of the Fed govt getting involved and "helping" where it wasn't needed. Yes, the decline of the fambly is definitely a huge factor, much more so than the teachers' union. I would attribute a lot of that to the feminist movement which marginalized and ridiculed stay at home moms and paints women who don't have careers, and play a more traditional role in the family, as weak and something of a genetic throwback. Single motherhood has often been glorified somewhat over the last couple decades (i.e. Murphy Brown et al).

+1, couldn't agree more.

At least in the US religion somewhat counteracts it, you should see the effect this shit has on a secular society. Fucking awful.

Teen birth rates highest in most religious states
Teen birth rates highest in most religious states - Health - Kids and parenting - msnbc.com

Religiosity and teen birth rate in the United States
http://www.reproductive-health-journ...-4755-6-14.pdf

Teen birth rates highest in most religious states
Teen birth rates highest in most religious states - Health - Kids and parenting - msnbc.com

Religiosity and teen birth rate in the United States
http://www.reproductive-health-journ...-4755-6-14.pdf

+1, couldn't agree more.

At least in the US religion somewhat counteracts it, you should see the effect this shit has on a secular society. Fucking awful.

I don't think you guys realize who the poor are.

"Trump predicts his debt elimination combined with his tax cuts would trigger a 35 to 40 percent boost in economic activity, with more business startups, more jobs, and more prosperity."

more supply-side voodoo economics....lol at taking financial advice from someone that uses bankruptcy courts as part of his business model.

my guess in today's economy more married couples with children that fall in the lower 3rd-4th quintiles in income are requiring food-stamps, etc. to get buy.

below is a link to a marriage study commissioned by the GOP House in 2005 ($500M over 5 years was the budget). Bush had originally proposed the idea in 2002.

The BUILDING STRONG FAMILIES PROJECT
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/opre..._exec_summ.pdf

LAM, I'm not saying I agree with what he's proposing, but take a look; this country is in serious trouble. We've tried almost everything. Everyone freaked when Obama wanted health care-did it change anything? No. What makes you think this plan of his will screw us?

Hopefully it would get rid of some of the misers who just horde money cause they're stingy. My gf's step-grandmother has several million just sitting in banks while she leached off of her husbands retirement money for years. This bitch got mad at me once cause I threw out 20 years worth of her hoarding straws from each time shed go to a fast food restaurant, the bitch was psychotic I tells ya....

supply-side economics and especially the tax breaks for the wealthy, etc. has never worked in US economic history. it has never created any jobs and has only increased the federal deficit by trillions dollars due to interest payments on borrowed monies to pay for those tax breaks, this is what all the data shows over the past 30+ years. in terms of bang for the buck they offer the least in return (see the graph on page 5 on the 3rd paper that I posted).

the US has been bleeding jobs for decades, jobs that have not been replaced all due to globalization. the US never recovered from the recession in 2001 in terms of jobs.

When you get the time read the 3 papers below from the EPI. If you don't have the time to read all three, I implore you to find time to read the 2nd and 3rd.

THE CLASS OF 2011
Young workers face a dire labor market without a safety net
http://epi.3cdn.net/c7d6ec52122ea9c188_rbm6bc14a.pdf


Reasons for Skepticism about Structural Unemployment Examining the Demand-Side Evidence
http://epi.3cdn.net/c1218e8213c58051e4_tlm6b5tf9.pdf

ABANDONING WHAT WORKS (AND MOST OTHER THINGS, TOO)
Expansionary fiscal policy is still the best tool for boosting jobs
http://epi.3cdn.net/ec12c2ff3297c3785e_rkm6bh9l9.pdf

I see you know your shit. REPPED.