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Posted by: Leslie2196

I guess I am in

Posted by: Dr. Pain

Show us a plan, Semi FF?

Posted by: Leslie2196

well........................................

I am not quite sure. I will probably be doing something along the lines of the womens bulk, but I REALLY would like to incorporate PRE and POST w/o carbs. I know this is not agreeable with you DP, but I really FEEL the diff..Yes I SEE the diff too

I am not afraid of a lil fat if it means more muscle gains!
I have worked out on higher fat/lwr carb and never felt the pump I do now. My w/o’s kick ass. Is there ANYWAY to incorporate this? The carb source would of course be the slow burners: oats, sweet p, banana ect…. Come on DP, work with me

Maybe by eliminating the carb ups? There has to be a formula for this…..please?

:crossingfingers:

Posted by: Leslie2196

DP~ Please see above......

TWO WORDS:

: openmind:

Posted by: Dr. Pain

Why don't you just try post for a week or two and see how your physique refats....err...reacts! D:

Then, if it is working...and you have tried the "Woman's Bulk" in earnest (which by itself should make you feel fuller)...you can always ADD more l8er!

Posted by: Leslie2196

Would I skip the carb ups then?

I am CHICKEN, I can't fuqing do it GRRRR

Posted by: dvlmn666

Quote:

Originally posted by Leslie2196
I am CHICKEN, I can't fuqing do it GRRRR

CAN'T

what do you mean can't. If you put your mind to it you'll do it and do it perfect.

Hi and good luck by the way.

Posted by: Dr. Pain

Quote:

Originally posted by Leslie2196
Would I skip the carb ups then?

I am CHICKEN, I can't fuqing do it GRRRR

Leslie...then just try the Women's Bulk and we will tweak in a week, K?

I/We have never let you down!

Posted by: Leslie2196

No you haven't

Ok, I was just looking over the W. Bulk again and it does seem like enough food. I am not sure about how to incorporate Thanksgivign into it though

I dont see room for PUMPKIN MUFFINS....I am NOT passing up either...Its the LAST time of year I can get some!

Question: I have Glutamine from way back when...Will do 5g pre and post w/o...how bout creatine? I have nvr touched the stuff in my life. What does it do? Should I be taking it?

Posted by: Dr. Pain

Creatine is like "Fairy Dust"

Yes you can take it....a zillion posts on it. Basically it increases contractile capabitly, allowing you to stress your muscles longer and/or harder...either resulting in accelerated adaptaon (growth and strength) Also recylces ADP back into ATP, often giving a feeling of more energy during the latter parts of a W/O

...and something called "cell volumazation" that you do NOT want to know about!

Posted by: Leslie2196

Ok sounds cool. Mr. Supplement King: I ask you what brand is best?

Posted by: Dr. Pain

Look for a "Creapure" logo...mean SKW Labs....Optimum, Prolab, Universal, and others...second choice....look for the PF logo (Phanstiel)

Posted by: Leslie2196

Ok, last night I enjoyed my PB on wheat PRE workout and the BEST batch of protein pancakes ever POST workout. :shutupDP:

My goal here is to obviously gain muscle mass without much fat. I have the determination BACK since there was a terrible episode in the gym. There is this old couple (like 80yrs who look 60yrs) and the man (very nice, thinks I should model

) said to ME last night that my FACE looks much better now that its FILLED out!! My WORST NIGHTMARE was confirmed! I HAVE A FAT FACE!

My BF said he meant it as a compliment

WHATEVER!! Although I will admit as I was dropping the BF I thought my face was getting uglier...due to the gaunt look with my Italian nose I guess. I dunno if my face is fat or not ( I WILL be posting a pic for opinions!

) but it was all the ammunition I needed to get this clean bulk done!

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

11/25/02 BW 11PM POST W/O with clothing 154.5lbs

Posted by: Dr. Pain

Say Hello to 160...OMG....but it will be a nice 160!

Go buy some Creatine?

Posted by: Leslie2196

Hello FUQING 160!

Buying today

Posted by: Leslie2196

Ok so I have not bought Creatine Yet....

Meal 1
1/2 c oats
1 tbsp cream w/ coffee
2 oz chicken
4 egg whites

Meal 2
Protein shake

Meal 3
6 oz chicken
3/4 c rice
2 tbsp Newman oil
veggies

Meal 4
protein shake

Meal 5
5 oz top round
5 oz SP
veggies

Meal 6
tuna
2 tsp flax
veggies

Water- 6-7 liters
2 diet cokes
2 packets sweetner
1 spoonful of cool whip

GYM was Chest/abs

Posted by: Leslie2196

The meat measurements in the W>Bulk.......is that post cooked weight????

Posted by: Dr. Pain

No....I always post meat raw. w8 prefers her meat measurements cooked. Because of your BW..........and that program being for a woman 125-135.........you may need to extrapolate your portions to "fit" your needs

Posted by: Leslie2196

Ah, fuq..I used post weight...so I guess I am ok then.....How do you recommend I conform this to a FAT 150ish

plan??? HELP!
purty please

No wonder I was hungry

Posted by: Leslie2196

SNACK ALERT

...I just had a FUQING cookie...I cant help it..I am starving and BORED here at work and there is a HUGE bowl of em.....BUTTER cookies with chocolote kiss in the ctr

I REALLY need to go home...

Posted by: CLPgold

Oh the temptation. What inconsiderate people are leaving cookies around you?

Posted by: Leslie2196

Quote:

Originally posted by CLPgold
Oh the temptation. What inconsiderate people are leaving cookies around you?

The "skinny-fat" ones I work with!

Posted by: Leslie2196

OK twe freakign cookies later I am going home

Posted by: Dr. Pain

Quote:

Originally posted by Leslie2196
Ah, fuq..I used post weight...so I guess I am ok then.....How do you recommend I conform this to a FAT 150ish

plan??? HELP!
purty please

No wonder I was hungry

Well it would help if we had 2 weeks worth of consistant Journal posting showing macro totals!?

Where do you think your at?

P =
C =
F = Leslie

Cals

DP

Posted by: Leslie2196

Honestly I probably WAS at 2700-3000

Yesterday was my first W.Bulk day and I despise FItday....Logging here is enough.....:whine:

Son't you have the total macros of the bulk somewhere?

I am assuming its prob 300-400cals per meal=2200-2400cals?

Posted by: Dr. Pain

Leslie...if you were coming off the 1800-1900 calorie transition program we left you....

I would say

240 P 120 C 90 F for starters......2250

40 P 25 C 15 F X 4
40 P 10 C 15 F X 2

and then we adjust from there!

Since you've been higher....you can try something between that and

260 P 140 C 100 F 2500

45 P 30 C 15 F X4
40 P 10 C 20 F X2

DP

Posted by: Dr. Pain

Quote:

Originally posted by Leslie2196

Don't you have the total macros of the bulk somewhere?

I am assuming its prob 300-400cals per meal=2200-2400cals?

See?

I think that range with better food choices and "Balls to the Wall" training will do it for YA!

Posted by: Dr. Pain

11/27/02

Fluids

5-6 L Water

Meal 1:

Meal 2:

Meal 3:

Meal 4:

Meal 5:

Meal 6:

Totals not including Veggies or Fiber
Cals:
Fat:
Carb:
Protein:

Posted by: w8lifter

geez...you're a nag

Posted by: Dr. Pain

*control freak*

Posted by: w8lifter

Quote:

Originally posted by Dr. Pain
*control freak*

Yes...I know you are

Posted by: Leslie2196

Meal 1
1/2 c oats
1 tbsp cream w/ coffee
2 oz chicken
4 egg whites

Meal 2
Protein shake w/ banana

Meal 3
6 oz chicken
3/4 c rice
1 tbsp flax
veggies

Meal 4
protein shake w/ banana

CHEAT
2 fuqing butter cookies

Meal 5
4 oz top round
2 oz chicken
3/4 c rice
veggies

Meal 6
tuna
2 tsp flax
veggies

1 chocolate muncking pre w/o (BF MADE ME

)
1 iced coffee w/ cream Pre w/
1 diet coke
4 packets sweetner

GYM was Back/bis/abs

Posted by: CLPgold

Just checkin in late night. I gotta get my tired butt to bed before 1:00am hopefully tonight.

Good Night.

Posted by: Leslie2196

Same here!

(doesnt loook good though)

Good Night CLP

Posted by: Dr. Pain

Quote:

Originally posted by Leslie2196

CHEAT
2 fuqing butter cookies

1 chocolate muncking pre w/o (BF MADE ME

)
1 iced coffee w/ cream Pre w/
1 diet coke
4 packets sweetner

WTF....is everyone out of control?

BF made me....good one Leslie.......

(need totals)

DP

Posted by: CLPgold

Hi Leslie

Posted by: Leslie2196

I am back, and more bloated.
These four days have been HELL with my meals, sleep, and relaxation. My dogs presented a big problem for a place to stay and late hours and not enough meals fuqed up my meal plans..not to mention the fuqing TRAFFIC getting home! I am on almost 3 hrs of sleep with NOTHING to do here at work. I am going to DIE

I did make the gym Fri so my workouts were complete. I also managed to get seriously PLASTERED on Saturday night~shots, vodka, apple martinis, and lord knows what else

Went to Ruth Chris Steakhouse for my 4 yr anniversary and now look at steak in a different light. It was the FUQING BOMB!!

I also thought I was getting engaged this weekend, but that didnt happen

LOL

FUQ work, FUQ food,

I want coffee and my bed!!

Posted by: Dr. Pain

Don't forget to weigh-in soon

Posted by: Leslie2196

Quote:

Originally posted by Dr. Pain
Don't forget to weigh-in soon

I am glad u are amused

And uh, I don't own a scale

Is it Tuesday tommorow already?! FUQ N A!:hopeless:

Posted by: Leslie2196

Ok weigh in tonight. Probably wont be pretty. yesterday was a crappy day overall, worked all day on 3 hr sleep and cleaned my house~it looked like abomb went off~ and my meals were far and in between, not to mention the, oh well nevermind. It dont matter

Anyhoo, I got back my show pics (I really got to analyze myself-good and bad)and I am now refocused, again..I like the fact its a new month, a fresh start blah blah blah....I am thinking of doind the Hawaiin Tropic contest or another Figure contest depending on what happens to my body. There are no dates for either yet, but both will be springtime.....

800am
coffee w/ 1 tbsp cream
1/2 c cottage cheese
couple oz's? roasted Turkey breast
1 apple

1045am
2 scoops Designer
2 tbsp cream
1 banana

Totals 671 16F 58C 76P

Posted by: Leslie2196

Ok my shake came out all watery n shit GRRRR AND most of my banana was all brown n mushy, so I only had 2/3.............

Oh well
I had asked about 7 meals in a nother thread, but I will ask here also.....What are your thoughts on SEVEN meals??

Posted by: Twin Peak

As opposed to six? Does it really matter one way or the other? Just go with what makes you feel better physically and emotionally. Nothing wrong with constant grazing.

Posted by: Leslie2196

I don't know if the amount of meals is important..I guess the calories are....2300 cals is what I am going for.....I just find I am always looking to eat ( I am a pig I know) I have more of an appetite than my man

Constant grazing would=more fuel for the metabolism correct?
Thanks TP
BTW, awesome quotes

and how did you get your fitday link up? I tried but it only brings the homepage....

Posted by: Twin Peak

You've got to make your journal public.

Posted by: Leslie2196

Ah, Now I see

http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJ...ner=Leslie2196

Posted by: Dr. Pain

Quote:

Originally posted by Leslie2196
Ok my shake came out all watery n shit GRRRR AND most of my banana was all brown n mushy, so I only had 2/3.............

Oh well
I had asked about 7 meals in a nother thread, but I will ask here also.....What are your thoughts on SEVEN meals??

Leslie...see w8's journals for info on 7 meals. We are trying to get her calories up by a seventh meal or a shake halfway through her "beauty sleep cycle"

For you...we don't even know where you are yet....., so w8...however...I can tell you that "constant grazing" is very much against the concepts of a "Clean Bulk"....where we are still trying to control your insulin/glucagon levels!

Posted by: Twin Peak

Quote:

Originally posted by Dr. Pain
I can tell you that "constant grazing" is very much against the concepts of a "Clean Bulk"....where we are still trying to control your insulin/glucagon levels!

DP, this is interesting, can you explain it further. How does it matter in a significant/real way, assuming that total calories are the same?

Assuming you point is that each time you eat carbs you are effecting metabolism and various hormone levels, doesn't your point disappear if the added grazing is merely on non-carb items?

Posted by: Leslie2196

and also.....

I figured the totals for the womans bulk.......it comes to:

2270 cals 215P 90F 150C PLUS the biweekly Carb Up

I guess I should work with this or should I bump something a lil up since I am a big gal?? HELP PLEASE

Posted by: Dr. Pain

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
DP, this is interesting, can you explain it further. How does it matter in a significant/real way, assuming that total calories are the same?

Assuming you point is that each time you eat carbs you are effecting metabolism and various hormone levels, doesn't your point disappear if the added grazing is merely on non-carb items?

We had some posting on this and some subsequent debates which I am not going through again.

Point is that Insulin is a "tiered response"......grazing would only serve to elvate insulin levels more and more (we also posted on the (glucogenic nature of protein). While we are not as concerned about the fact that lipolysis does not occur w/higher insulin levels as we are on cut. We ARE concerned that lipogenesis does!

If you want to bulk "Cleanly" don't graze

(we also posted on gastic emptying, with much disagreement)

DP

Posted by: Twin Peak

Hmmm, if by the use of WE you mean you and I, I must have been sleeping through those discussions/debates, cuz I don't remember hitting these specifc topics, and I don't even know what gastic emptying is so am surprised to learn that I disagreed with your views on it.

Oh well. I was not looking to be a pain in the ass with this inquiry.

Posted by: Dr. Pain

Quote:

Originally posted by Leslie2196
and also.....

I figured the totals for the womans bulk.......it comes to:

2270 cals 215P 90F 150C PLUS the biweekly Carb Up

I guess I should work with this or should I bump something a lil up since I am a big gal?? HELP PLEASE

Leslie

Calm th FUCK down!

We know you are a planner....but we don't know whether you are on the Ass Train or the Butt Train until we get your BW.......

and you don't want any part of the C Train!

Posted by: Dr. Pain

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Hmmm, if by the use of WE you mean you and I, I must have been sleeping through those discussions/debates, cuz I don't remember hitting these specifc topics, and I don't even know what gastic emptying is so am surprised to learn that I disagreed with your views on it.

Oh well. I was not looking to be a pain in the ass with this inquiry.

Sorry for the tone, "We" is the proverbial "Collective WE".....and the tone was aimed at those who love/live to argue. I was still trying to be imformative.....

I apologize...and should further clarify that information applies more to the 3 out of 4 IR (insulin resitant) people out there as opposed to those with what clinicians would call "normal" metabolisms.

(becoming 4 out of 5)

DP

Posted by: Dr. Pain

Additionally...the inference was that it was part of "Public Record!"

Posted by: Twin Peak

That's fine, and I was picking up on the tone. I know that you were referring to people the like to argue for arguments sake. Actually, that is what I took issue with since I don't believe I am one of those people and further don't believe that I have conducted myself that way, so I was displeased with the thought that you believed I was currently acting that way.

I'm over it.

Posted by: Leslie2196

Moving along.........

12/3/02

800am
coffee w/ 1 tbsp cream
1/2 c cottage cheese
couple oz's? roasted Turkey breast
1 apple

1045am
2 scoops Designer
2 tbsp cream
1/2 banana

130pm
3 oz chicken (wt cooked)
1/3 c lean ground beef
1 c brown rice
1 tsp flax
1 c green beans w/ ACV

430pm
1 can tuna
1 tbsp flax
green beans w/ ACV

730pm
6 oz cooked chicken
1 tbsp flax
6-7 oz Sweet Potato
green beans w/ ACV

1030pm
4 oz cooked top sirloin (lean)
3 egg whites and 2 whole eggs
green beans w/ ACV

Totals:
2370 cals 79F 155C 242P

Well?

Posted by: Leslie2196

SO far so good.....

No cravings either....suprisingly.
I think I am FINALLY BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Dr. Pain

Program looks Good Leslie.........now how much do you weigh? :FF:..err..

Posted by: Leslie2196

Ok I had an apple post workout..I was STARVING after my meal

Weighed in at 158-158.5

Posted by: Dr. Pain

You're on Track Leslie........give it a few more days...and take a midweek w8.......we can up your intake then if we need to.

Posted by: Leslie2196

OK

Even if you are bullshitting me, I feel a lil better LOL
Due to my previous high carb intake......do you think I should do my first carb up on Saturday considering my first FULL day of clean eatting was yesterday?

Thx DP

Posted by: Dr. Pain

Friday or Saturday.....no BS!

Posted by: Leslie2196

Ok carb up fri since its easier to get in 6 meals when I am up early

Today I am STARVING. It is not the "I just wanna eat hunger" Its real *tummy grumble* hunger

Posted by: Leslie2196

(1) 815am
1/2 c cottage cheese
3-4 oz chicken (guessimate)
1 apple
coffe with 1.5 tbsp cream

(2)1045am
2 scoops Designer
1 banana
2.5 tbsp cream
1 c green beans

(3)100pm...............could not wait any longer
3 oz chicken
1/3 c ground beef
1 c brown rice
1 tsp flax
1 c green beans

Its 135 and I still HUNGRY

430pm
1 can tuna
2 tsp flax
green beans

8:15pm post w/o
protein pancakes
(1/2 c oats, 1/2 c cottage, 1 egg, 3 whites, 1 tbsp soyflour)
minimal SF syrup

1130pm
1 can tuna
2 tsp flax
green beans

did legs: new records:

Free squat: 95lbs plus bar for 8

Leg Ext: 150lbs for 10

Leg Curls: 100lbs for 7

Seated Calves: 115lbs for 10

Posted by: Leslie2196

edited above

Posted by: Dr. Pain

Quote:

Originally posted by Leslie2196

did legs: new records:

Free squat: 95lbs plus bar for 8

Leg Ext: 150lbs for 10:d
Leg Curls: 100lbs for 7

Seated Calves: 115lbs for 10

Excellent Leslie

Posted by: mochy

Nice work Les! How's your legs feeling today!

Posted by: Leslie2196

Thx DP

Hey Mochy

My legs are fine.......so far

It usually takes one day before I am in pain. I think a bath is in order tonight! LOL

Posted by: karategirl

Hey Leslie2196, Try epsom salts in your bath. It helps to ease the pain. New Personal records...Way to push yourself

Posted by: Leslie2196

I have been slacking I know....Work has had me busy

Anyways, my meals have been basically the same as above except I am sometimes having protein pancakes after my workouts as meal 5. Gives me something to look forward to.

I have been kicking ass in the gym, setting some new records. Guess the past binging paid off?

leg press with 4 plates and a 35 on each side for 6 reps

3 sets of curls with 25lb for 10/8/8

Preachers with a 20lb DB
One arm DB row= 50lb for 8 reps

I am trying to work off those mean carbs. My legs actually look kinda muscular, my midsection is totally not what is was though

Posted by: Dero

Miss ya...

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