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Posted by: joecamp4

My natural testosterone levels are below the normal range. The doc said she is going to put me on injectables. I've tried the gel before to no avail...My question is, what types of test are available for legit US prescription?

Sus?
Ethanate?
Cypionate?

and what would the best choice be, as this doctor pretty much leaves it up to me...

Thanks

Posted by: Mudge

They will probably put you on Upjohn stuff, how frequent will your injections be allowed?

I have heard of as low as 200mg per month, which is not enough for any bodybuilding benefit really.

Posted by: crackerjack414

I agrea with mudge on this one, for hrt treatment they will probely put you on upjohn cyp

Posted by: Prince

I am surprised your doc is going to do injectables, it's not a common treatment for low T levels.

The problem with injectables (to treat this problem) is most likely you will get a shot either once per month or once every 2 weeks (once per month is more common). So, your T levels will spike for the first few days/week then get low, so basically it's very unnatural for your body.

Treatments such as gels are applied daily keeping your T levels in normal range 24 hours per day, so there are no high and low points.

Posted by: joecamp4

I did the gels for a few months...double dose, 2 packs per day. brought my levels to about midrange. SHe had mentioned that the substance is oily..is the UPjohn stuff oil based or water based? and, is it any good if I can get weekly injections, which is what she recommended...

Thanks,
Joe

Posted by: Prince

what brand of gel and how many grams?

you say it brought you to mid-range, what was the exact ng?

Posted by: joecamp4

10G Androgel packs twice a day brought me to about 600 from a low of 330. I just redid my tests again after being off the gel for about three months and it came back at 230

Posted by: Prince

are you serious? that is unbelieveable!

maybe your skin just does not absorb it?

Posted by: joecamp4

i know it...and i can definitely feel a difference since it dropped even more. So, what are some of the injectables Dr.s prescribe? or is it just the Upjohn stuff...if Upjohn is it, is it sufficient to boost my levels?

Thanks

Posted by: PB&J

Quote:

Originally posted by joecamp4
My natural testosterone levels are below the normal range. The doc said she is going to put me on injectables. I've tried the gel before to no avail...My question is, what types of test are available for legit US prescription?

Sus?
Ethanate?
Cypionate?

and what would the best choice be, as this doctor pretty much leaves it up to me...

Thanks

Hey Joe what were your levels on the test report.

I just got mine checked, I am at 270 and the doctor won't o hit about it.

Posted by: joecamp4

mine just came back at 230..I believe the range is 230-1100 or something close to that...my first test a few months back was 330 and the doc put me on gel. My Doc is very into hormone therapy and will basically let me try things as long as she gets to tell me the side effects, etc...thats why I'm trying to figure out what kinds of Test docs can legally prescribe in the U.S.

Posted by: PB&J

Quote:

Originally posted by joecamp4
mine just came back at 230..I believe the range is 230-1100 or something close to that...my first test a few months back was 330 and the doc put me on gel. My Doc is very into hormone therapy and will basically let me try things as long as she gets to tell me the side effects, etc...thats why I'm trying to figure out what kinds of Test docs can legally prescribe in the U.S.

How old are you, I am 28, my dr. won't do shit for me because it's in the normal range by 30.

Posted by: joecamp4

I'm 33...are you just going to a regular Dr? I am seeing an endocrinologist. The regular Doc I saw was just a general practioner and she wouldn't prescribe Androgel. So I went to an Endo and she is willing to help me out.

Posted by: crackerjack414

actuely the ester of cyp will lead to a longer acting effect of a spike pers say. yes the hrt doctors are much more understanding if you want more info u might check out swales sight on hrt

Posted by: joecamp4

do you have a link?

Posted by: BUSTINOUT

Quote:

Originally posted by joecamp4
I did the gels for a few months...double dose, 2 packs per day. brought my levels to about midrange. SHe had mentioned that the substance is oily..is the UPjohn stuff oil based or water based? and, is it any good if I can get weekly injections, which is what she recommended...

Thanks,
Joe

Joe, the only water based test is suspension and they are not going to prescribe that since shots have to be taken daily. The most comenly prescribed test for test therapy is enanthate.

Posted by: crackerjack414

I lost the link heres his email doctorjohn@itpayz.com

Posted by: joecamp4

Well...the doc prescribed Cypionate. I was a little nervous to do the first injection since the needle was 1.5 inches long. Turns out it was basic..no big deal. Damn, that stuff isnt cheap though, but I feel a hell of a lot better.

Joe

Posted by: Scotty the Body

How does one know if they have a low test levels? what would the symptoms be?

Posted by: joecamp4

Some symptoms of low T:

Emotional, psychological and behavioral changes
Decreased muscle mass
Loss of muscle strength
Increased upper and central body fat
Lack of energy, concentration and motiation
Cardiovascular risk
Decreased sex drive

Posted by: Prince

Quote:

Originally posted by joecamp4
Some symptoms of low T:

Emotional, psychological and behavioral changes
Decreased muscle mass
Loss of muscle strength
Increased upper and central body fat
Lack of energy, concentration and motiation
Cardiovascular risk
Decreased sex drive

all correct except for Cardiovascular risk, that is not really a symptom.

Posted by: PB&J

Quote:

Originally posted by joecamp4
Well...the doc prescribed Cypionate. I was a little nervous to do the first injection since the needle was 1.5 inches long. Turns out it was basic..no big deal. Damn, that stuff isnt cheap though, but I feel a hell of a lot better.

Joe

Glad things are going well for you, I just had an opportunity to make an appointment with an endocrinologist so I am really axious to get some help. Keep us posted on the results and any sides youmight get, thanks.

Posted by: Rusty

Damn, I want some........And add some Dbol too......

Posted by: joecamp4

Thanks PB & J...the only side so far is I inject once every 2 weeks...crap, I feel so good now I want it everyday...well, at least once a week

Prince...good point. Thanks

Posted by: PB&J

Quote:

Originally posted by joecamp4
Thanks PB & J...the only side so far is I inject once every 2 weeks...crap, I feel so good now I want it everyday...well, at least once a week

Prince...good point. Thanks

When you say you feel good now, exactly what do you mean, did you have mood swings and lack of concentration before starting Test?

If so how does it make you feel in that way?

Thanks.

Posted by: Prince

Quote:

Originally posted by PB&J
When you say you feel good now, exactly what do you mean, did you have mood swings and lack of concentration before starting Test?

If so how does it make you feel in that way?

Thanks.

I would say if anything before thes test you would not have mood swings, just more of a depressed mood.

And with the test mood swings would be much more likely.

Posted by: joecamp4

Prince nailed it...not really swings, Ive just basically been depressed. Not really thrilled with anything, not motivated, easily annoyed, hard to think straight and clearly, etc...

But now, my mood has elevated greatly, Im having a blast playing with my kids and my lifting sessions have been so intense that I can barely move now Im so sore.

PB& J..Ive read your other posts and Im really interested to know how it works out for you. We tested at about the same levels, low 200's. I hope the endo helps you out. Please keep me informed and if you want any more details, specifics, etc...feel free to keep this post going, PM or email (joecamp@socal.rr.com)

Joe

Posted by: Mudge

I dont fully understand what the supporting evidence is that test causes violence in people, I dont understand the claim. Low T though can definately cause problems, or just about any abnormal hormonal balance, will certainly affect us in some way or another.

Posted by: Prince

because high T levels can cause aggression.

Posted by: Mudge

Can how though? Can via simply being way out of the normal range? Can because it would also cause a raised estrogen level?

I see plenty of angry bald men, but through my own experience have trouble understanding or believing the claims I've heard.

Posted by: Prince

because aggression is one of the traits of testosterone just like increased muscle mass, bad breath, body odor, etc.

I guess if you think about it from an evolutionary stand point the male specie needs to be more aggressive to survive, hunt, etc.

Being bald does not necessitate high testosterone levels, it has to do with DHT.

However, the extent of male pattern baldness is not a direct indicator of testosterone levels. The extent of hair loss from pattern baldness is due to a complex interaction of several factors.

see this:
http://www.keratin.com/ac/baldnessbi...virility.shtml

Posted by: Mudge

Quote:

Originally posted by Prince Being bald does not necessitate high testosterone levels, it has to do with DHT.

Haven't looked at the link yet, will check it out now. DHT supposedly though is a byproduct of test aromitization, is it not? This is why high test users with MPB in the family seem to lose thier hair prematurely, or supposedly anyway.

DHT seems to be considered pretty evil in other ways, so I wonder if its these waste/byproducts/whatever that are really responsible, anywho off to your link

Posted by: Prince

read the article...

Posted by: Mudge

Did

Posted by: joecamp4

Hey Prince...For replacement therapy, what do you consider a normal dose. My endo gave me a bottle of 200Mg CYP, and has me on one CC bi-weekly. Im thinking that once weekly would be better. My doc will up the dose for me as long as its within the "normal" thearapeutic range.

Thanks

Posted by: Mudge

The half life for cyp is 12.5 days I believe.

Posted by: Mudge

Joe, after running into a few HRT guys 200cc Upjohn cyp E2W is normal, I found one guy on 200mg a week though and everyone was supprised.

Posted by: joecamp4

Thanks Mudge...for my second injection I waited a week..couldnt wait two

..now I will go every other week. I just needed a little kicker...

Thanks again for the info

Posted by: Mudge

Is this something you will be cycling, or is this a permanent thing? I really can't see wanting to see the doctor even every 2 weeks, but unless your honestly past your prime I wouldn't want to be on permanent HRT either.

So I was just wondering if they were going to let you do this at home or what... you also have more flexibility that way. The guys I've ran into keep the script and run thier own, even if they buy from the local pharmacy, and generally will cycle it off/on 8-12 weeks or so, and just use double thier dose this way as well.

Posted by: joecamp4

oh...I dont see the Dr every 2 weeks, I do it myself at home. I see the doc once every 4 months or so. I will be cycling, but I will keep my prescrips going so I can have some extra around the house "just in case".

I will be following a smiliar cycle as the guys you ran into, I will go 10 weeks on, probably 6-8 off

Posted by: PB&J

I finally got into see the endocrinologist and when I showed him my test results he said yeah that's very low. Now he's going to run a bunch of tests and hopefully we can find out what's really causing the low test.

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