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Posted by: ambiti

Hi everyone,

I will be running my first cycle, let me first give you some information about me, I would really appreciate your feedback.

Been working out for 5 years - I would say I know how to train very well. (always room to learn more though)

My trainer wants me to go on a cycle, and I also want do as well to move to the next level because I kinda got stuck where I am for a while now.

I am 184cm tall (6 foot) and weight 90 kgs (about 180lbs), 12-15% Body Fat,

I want to get a little bigger but very ripped (i am not so ripped)

The cycle my trainer recommended me is as below;

--Every 4 days 1 Deca (250mg) and 1 Enanthate(250mg) for 6 weeks

--Then Winstrol(50mg) every other day for 4 weeks

--Total of 10 weeks of cycle,

I am not 100% sure about the dosage but consider the dosage i had written is correct.

Would you recommend me this cycle as a begging considering my goal is to get bigger and very ripped!

Thank you!

Posted by: yerg

Bro. i think most will say all you need is test for a first cycle.. and i agree with this.. First of all you can get awsome gains from a first test only cycle, also if you run more than one compound you wont know which is giving you side effects "if any". This is important to know for future cycles and for cycle adjustment. Ren test only for your first cycle.... You will be just as happy imo
500mg test cyp a week is a good starting place for dose

Posted by: GMO

Originally Posted by ambiti

Hi everyone,

I will be running my first cycle, let me first give you some information about me, I would really appreciate your feedback.

Been working out for 5 years - I would say I know how to train very well. (always room to learn more though)

My trainer wants me to go on a cycle, and I also want do as well to move to the next level because I kinda got stuck where I am for a while now.

I am 184cm tall (6 foot) and weight 90 kgs (about 180lbs), 12-15% Body Fat,

I want to get a little bigger but very ripped (i am not so ripped)

The cycle my trainer recommended me is as below;

--Every 4 days 1 Deca (250mg) and 1 Enanthate(250mg) for 6 weeks

--Then Winstrol(50mg) every other day for 4 weeks

--Total of 10 weeks of cycle,

I am not 100% sure about the dosage but consider the dosage i had written is correct.

Would you recommend me this cycle as a begging considering my goal is to get bigger and very ripped!

Thank you!

How old are you?

Your trainer knows nothing about the proper cycling of anabolics.

Posted by: yerg

Just noticed the winsrol is eod... wtf

Posted by: VictorZ06

Originally Posted by GMO

How old are you?

Your trainer knows nothing about the proper cycling of anabolics.

Agree 100%

/V

Posted by: ambiti

I am 25,
So you reckon I start of with just Enanthate

To be honest just want to test out what it is like, (I dont think I will be a frequent user, just once every 2-3 years - that the idea I have in my mind)

In terms of side effects, would there be loss of libido? my trainer keeps on telling me I should be fine but then I sometimes feel like he just wants me to take it... (lets not talk about the trainer, lets focus on the cycle plz!)

Posted by: ambiti

No one really wants to talk about side effects openly, I would appropriate if you could share your opinion with me, also for the Winstrol, how often should I be injecting if eod is too much?

Posted by: VictorZ06

Originally Posted by ambiti

how often should I be injecting if eod is too much?

You have it backwards, winny is taken ED. EOD is NOT enough.

/V

Posted by: pieguy

Libido while on cycle if using a good amount of test (500 weekly) is very strong. While in Post Cycle Therapy, your libido may or may not decrease depending on your hcg protocol and how you respond to clomid/aromasin.

I'm approaching week 2 of my first test cycle and my libido is pretty good, if not better than usual if that puts you at ease. If you were to run deca, there's a chance of compromised libido if you don't dose your test high enough.

Posted by: ambiti

So lets say I take it everyday,
How does the cycle look?
Considering my goal is to gain more mass then getting ripped, would you consider it to be a good one?

Thanks for your feedbak and help.

Posted by: ambiti

Originally Posted by pieguy

Libido while on cycle if using a good amount of test (500 weekly) is very strong. While in Post Cycle Therapy, your libido may or may not decrease depending on your hcg protocol and how you respond to clomid/aromasin.

I'm approaching week 2 of my first test cycle and my libido is pretty good, if not better than usual if that puts you at ease. If you were to run deca, there's a chance of compromised libido if you don't dose your test high enough.

So lets say I take it everyday,
How does the cycle look?
Considering my goal is to gain more mass then getting ripped, would you consider it to be a good one?

May sound stupid but what kind of side effects should i expect?

Thanks for your feedbak and help

Posted by: GMO

Originally Posted by ambiti

So lets say I take it everyday,
How does the cycle look?
Considering my goal is to gain more mass then getting ripped, would you consider it to be a good one?

Thanks for your feedbak and help.

Read this:

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/an...cycle-pct.html

First cycle should be test only, as mentioned above.

Something like this:

Wk1-10 Test E 500mg/wk (divided into 250mg 2x/wk)
Wk1-12 Aromasin 12.5mg eod or ed
Wk1-10 hcg 250iu x2/wk

PCT: 2 weeks after last test inject
Clomid 100/100/75/50
Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

Posted by: pieguy

Jeesus christ GMO, you beat me to it every damn time -_-.

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/an...cycle-pct.html

You dose it bi-weekly. For example, Tuesday/Friday.

Read that link and read ALL of it.

Getting more mass and ripped is rather diet dependent. Some people can eat slightly below or above maintenance and gain some mass while dropping body fat. The scale won't deviate too much but the appearance of your body will.

Some test cyp or enth @ 500mg/week will give you increased strength, increase ability to put on mass provided you eat ample protein, increase libido and will leave you feeling pretty good like you just scored a date with a supermodel after finding $1000 bucks between the pillows of your couch.

The possible side effects are hair loss (if you're predisposed to hereditary hair loss), increase in estrogen (you combat this with an AI), oily skin/acne, testicular atrophy (combat this with HCG), growing boobs (you combat this with an AI) and injection pain/soreness (goes away/you get used to it/depends on brand or what you're injecting)

Posted by: njc

How do people come up with these cycles?

Posted by: pieguy

Originally Posted by njc

How do people come up with these cycles?

Brosciene bro

Posted by: ambiti

I read the link, now I am even more confused...

I will disscuss this with my trainer and see what I come up with and post it here to get your feedback,

I am not planning to start any cycle until I am sure.

I highly appreciate your inputs everyone!

Posted by: vannesb

Originally Posted by GMO

How old are you?

Your trainer knows nothing about the proper cycling of anabolics.

He knows LESS Than me so that should scare you! GMO like others are very knowlegable.

If you are in your mid 20's or older I would recomend straight Test to see how you react to it. READ, READ and READ MORE!!!

Posted by: ambiti

The thing is I bought some of the stuff and also due to the country i live in, it is not easy to get everything as written in that thread.

I believe you people are more reliable from what I see, I will go with straight Test I believe, let me see if I can get rid of what I have,

Thanks for the input again!

Posted by: Vibrant

Originally Posted by GMO

This^^^^

In my honest opinion, I would find a new trainer. It's obvious that your trainer doesn't know anything about anabolics. It makes wonder that if he even knows how to properly train, when he gives such bad advice.

Posted by: ambiti

Ok, I will do the following because I can these steroids a available where I live,

My question is, for my first cycle, dont you think these dosage is high?
I have a good genetics, I gain and lose very easiliy, my goal is not to get crazy big and buff, I only want to get bigger but alot more ripped, (Mainly ripped)

To get more ripped, would you reckon I add Winstrol into this cycle? if yes, how would you recommend (dosage and frequency)?

Is the following good enough?

Week 1-5 600mg Testosterone E. weekly
Week 6-8 800mg Testosterone E. weekly
Week 9-10 1 gram Testosterone E. weekly

Posted by: aja44

Originally Posted by GMO

How old are you?

Your trainer knows nothing about the proper cycling of anabolics.

^ +1 - I think your trainer is quitting on you my friend.

Posted by: aja44

Originally Posted by ambiti

Your cycle looks like shit. Please read the Sticky's that are in the forum and learn. The rule of thumb is whatever your taking per week of Deca you should double it for your test. 500mg of Cyp to 250mg of Deca per week.

Has your "TRAINER" told you anything about Adex or Aromasin? How about HCG or PCT?

Posted by: njc

Originally Posted by ambiti

Ok, I will do the following because I can these steroids a available where I live,

My question is, for my first cycle, dont you think these dosage is high?
I have a good genetics, I gain and lose very easiliy, my goal is not to get crazy big and buff, I only want to get bigger but alot more ripped, (Mainly ripped)

To get more ripped, would you reckon I add Winstrol into this cycle? if yes, how would you recommend (dosage and frequency)?

Is the following good enough?

Week 1-5 600mg Testosterone E. weekly
Week 6-8 800mg Testosterone E. weekly
Week 9-10 1 gram Testosterone E. weekly

Definitely no need to go up to 1 gram on your first run. Id start at 500 and probably stay there the entire time.

Posted by: Vibrant

Originally Posted by ambiti

Those are way too big dosages for a first cycle. I'm not even doing that much for my second cycle.

You should do about 500mg a week of test for ten or twelve weeks for a first cycle.
save the winstrol for another cycle. You will not get bulky or ripped from test alone, it all depends on your training and diet. Post up your training routine and sample diet, because I'm not even sure you're ready for a first cycle.

Posted by: aja44

Originally Posted by ambiti

Bro, have you bothered to go back and read the Sticky's? How about the cycle listed by GMO which is EXACTLY what you should buy and do.

500MG per week for 10 weeks!!!!!

I think that at 6' and 180lbs and claiming you have no issues gaining and loosing weight your either full of shit or have a warped perception of your genetics. JMO though..

Posted by: ambiti

Hi NJC,

Thank you for your reply,

I will stick with 500mg for 10 weeks and 600 the last week,
For PCT, I am still doing a research about what is available here in this country.

I will use Testostrone Enanthate for the entire cycle of 10 weeks

What kind of muscle should I be expecting? (I want more definition - I keep on asking because I actually want to get just a little bigger and be ripped)

Thank you for your reply, I appreciate your expertise!

Posted by: ambiti

Ok, I am actually about to go to sleep, tomorrow I will write everything with details (diet, training, etc...)

I am just asking for your advice since you all seem very experienced, so no need to be rude guys...

The reason I posted here was that I actually did not trust my trainer...

Thank you anyway, I will update you tomorrow. Happy to know that there are people who are willing to give useful feedback.

Posted by: gymrat09091974

One question. Does your trainer want you to buy the gear from him? That might be why he's encouraging you stacking. Horrible stack btw.

Posted by: tri-c

sounds to me that your trainer doesnt know what he is doing and wants you to use steroids to make up for the fact that he dosnt know how to train or diet.
not to mention how to cycle.
get a new trainer, eat like a mad man and train hard, put on another 20 lbs...then step out into the world of aas

Posted by: njc

Originally Posted by ambiti

Hi NJC,

Thank you for your reply,

I will stick with 500mg for 10 weeks and 600 the last week,
For PCT, I am still doing a research about what is available here in this country.

I will use Testostrone Enanthate for the entire cycle of 10 weeks

What kind of muscle should I be expecting? (I want more definition - I keep on asking because I actually want to get just a little bigger and be ripped)

Thank you for your reply, I appreciate your expertise!

Hard to say how much muscle you will gain. If your training and diet are dialed in correctly I dont see why you couldnt gain 8 or more pounds of muscle first cycle.

Posted by: ambiti

So I have checked for my PCT,

I cannot get HCG or Aromasin however I can get Clomid,
(these drugs are very hard to get a hold of here where I live)

Is Clomid alone enough for PCT? and what is the best dosage?

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So far my cycle looks like this; (I will only use the below since I cannot get a hold of HCG or Aromasin)
10 weeks of Testostrone Enanthate (500mg per week)

2 weeks after my last shot, I will be taking Clomid (not sure about the dosage and frequency)
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Please advice!

Thank you all!

Posted by: aja44

Originally Posted by ambiti

So I have checked for my PCT,

I cannot get HCG or Aromasin however I can get Clomid,
(these drugs are very hard to get a hold of here where I live)

Is Clomid alone enough for PCT? and what is the best dosage?

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So far my cycle looks like this; (I will only use the below since I cannot get a hold of HCG or Aromasin)
10 weeks of Testostrone Enanthate (500mg per week)

2 weeks after my last shot, I will be taking Clomid (not sure about the dosage and frequency)
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Please advice!

Thank you all!

The HCG is recommended to be taken during your cycle and for those 2 weeks before you start your PCT as it will help in recovery. The Aromasin is an AI and should also be run during cycle and PCT. It keeps the estrogen build up down and will keep off the water bloat so I would definitely recommend you get either that or Adex before you start.

Clomid would be run for 4 weeks as follows:
Days 1 and 2 200mg
Rest of week 1 - 100mg
Week 2 - 75mg
Weeks 3 and 4 - 50mg

Take the test at 250mg twice per week.

Posted by: ambiti

Thanks aja44,

Are there alternative medicines (names) for HCG and Aromasin that you know of so I can search?

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Posted by: GMO

Originally Posted by ambiti

Thanks aja44,

Are there alternative medicines (names) for HCG and Aromasin that you know of so I can search?

Any suggestions?

Thanks

You can use Arimidex (Anastrozole) instead of Aromasin and dose it 0.5mg eod. As far as HCG goes, there is no other alternative to it. With a test only cycle though, you should be ok with just the Arimidex and Clomid.

Posted by: pieguy

HCG isn't required but it will help you keep more gains after you've come off cycle. The best alternative to Aromasin is Arimidex (anastrazole) which is an acceptable substitute actually. It's not quite as good for a few reasons (mainly lipids) but it works and it works well. Somebody else can comment on dosing protocol. Last I remember it's .5mg/eod (largely dependent on your blood test e2 results) and .5/.5/.25/.25 along with your clomid, but I don't use adex so I'm not 100% sure. Maybe OSL, GMO, Heavy or Vic can comment, etc.

damn it GMO beat me again...

Posted by: GMO

Originally Posted by pieguy

HCG isn't required but it will help you keep more gains after you've come off cycle. The best alternative to Aromasin is Arimidex (anastrazole) which is an acceptable substitute actually. It's not quite as good for a few reasons (mainly lipids) but it works and it works well. Somebody else can comment on dosing protocol. Last I remember it's .5mg/eod (largely dependent on your blood test e2 results) and .5/.5/.25/.25 along with your clomid, but I don't use adex so I'm not 100% sure. Maybe OSL, GMO, Heavy or Vic can comment, etc.

damn it GMO beat me again...

Yes, .5/.5/.25/.25 or 1/1/.5/.5 will work for PCT, dependant upon how much you ran on cycle.

Posted by: OldSchoolLifter

Originally Posted by pieguy

^^ LOL I know the feeling I try to be as fast as GMO, but he has some quick fingers!!

Originally Posted by GMO

Yes, .5/.5/.25/.25 or 1/1/.5/.5 will work for PCT, dependant upon how much you ran on cycle.

^^ This is perfect, Adex is fine, I prefer aromasin, and you could go 25/25/12.5/12.5 on pct

Posted by: UcantHang

I just think you should hire a new trainer that knows what the hell he's doing. A good professional trainer is not going his client take aas.

Posted by: pieguy

Originally Posted by UcantHang

I just think you should hire a new trainer that knows what the hell he's doing. A good professional trainer is not going his client take aas.

That seems quite questionable actually. I bet a lot of sport trainers at high levels might recommend AAA in off season. Trainers care about ur success so if ur success means some drug induced assistance, I bet they'd at least give u the option.

Posted by: Vibrant

Originally Posted by pieguy

Yeah, but they don't usually give such bad advice as this guy has been getting from his trainer.

Posted by: Vibrant

Ambiti, can you please post up your training routine and your diet because I think you could use some advice in that area as well.

Posted by: ambiti

I managed to get a hold of HCG now,
How much is the right dose for the cycle that i plan to do? and how often should i use it?
my cycle is Testostrone Enanthate for 10 weeks (500mg per week)

Thank you!!

Posted by: ambiti

Just to add, these are everything I managed to get a hold of;
-Testostrone Enanthate for 10 weeks (500mg per week)
-Clomid
-HCG (I haven't bought it yet because I am not sure about the dosage - if some could advice i would be happy)

I cannot get Aromasin, (Still searching for it)

If I did the cycle without Aromasin, would there be problem? if yes, what kind of problems?

Thank you! - waiting for your replies!

Posted by: SloppyJ

500iu 2x per week.

Some might even say 250iu 2x week with that cycle.

Posted by: ambiti

Originally Posted by Vibrant

Ambiti, can you please post up your training routine and your diet because I think you could use some advice in that area as well.

Vibrant - sorry for not posting everything

I always start with 10 minutes running followed by stretching and skipping.
I do Abs every other day.
I do 4 sets for every exercise,

I do not always follow the exact, I mix up, once a week I will do all the exercises that I do not usually do.
I take 1 day off (I know it should be 2)

Day 1 - LEGS
-Squat 4 sets (20-15-15-12resp)
-Leg extension 4 sets (20-15-15-12reps)
-Leg curl 4 sets (20-15-15-12reps)
*got a small knee problem, I only do these 3 until I get advanced on legs - I did not focus on legs before that much

Day 2 - Chest & Biceps
-Flat bench press 4 sets (20-15-12-8)
-Incline bench press 4 sets (20-15-12-8)
-Dips/decline bench press
*I sometimes just go for light weight and reps for chest - it really depends on how I feel, I also change the sequence everytime, I feel that it gives more improvements

-For biceps, I will not mention my workout since I do not know the exercise names in English but they are my strong parts and I have huge biceps...

Day 3 - Back & Triceps
Day 4 - Shoulders

For cardio, i go for kick boxing once a week 1 and a half hours of intense sweating. (I die when the training is done)
I did not write details for my day 3-4 exercises because I do not know the names in English.

I try not to go lower than 12 reps,
On my peak days I could bench 200lbs 4-6 reps

Diet
-Oat meal
-4 egg whites
-protein shake
-Chicken wing and cup of rice
-TRAINING
-Chicken wing and cup of rice
-Dinner (usually meat with veg - red/white meat)

I do not eat anything fried, I do not eat junk. (I tend to eat the same food everyday)

I hope this is helpful

Quick facts;
-25years old
-180LBS
-6 foot tall
-5 years of gyming experience

Posted by: Vibrant

I am thinking that you need to add some calories. How many meals do you have in a day? I would add some tuna fish, tilapia fish, chicken breast, and maybe a casien protein shake right before sleep. Also switch out the white rice for brown rice and wild rice. Theres a great site FitDay - Free Weight Loss and Diet Journal where you enter everything you eat in a day and it gives you a breakdown of calories consumed, amount of protein, carbs, fat that you had in a day. When u get a breakdown like that it's much easier to see if you're under eating, over eating, or your ratio of protein/carbs/fats is not good.

Posted by: pieguy

I never found chicken wings to be very good sources of protein. Honestly, if you're on a budget buy quarters and if ur not, get breasts cause you're going to be undereating imo.

Posted by: aja44

I agree with the last 2 posts, your not eating enough and that is why your not gaining any weight. And when your on AAS, you need to be eating even more to build the muscle.

I'm also not a big fan of your workout. I think you might want to take a peek around in the training forum and read some of the stuff in there. You need to build mass and gain strength and I feel your not going to do that with high rep ranges. You should drop those down to the 5-8 range and start increasing your weights and adjusting your tempo's. Maybe even doing 5x5 or 5x3 on major compound exercises to build some strength up.

Posted by: ambiti

I used to do low reps and 3 sets, but then I just became buff (thick arms like a soasage, no shape) I started high reps and high intensity exercises so I lose fat and get more definition.

It actually worked...

But I will listen to you guys..

I eat rice, before and after gym considering that I need energy for my workout,

If I drink protein shakes before sleeping, I actually cant sleep for some reason, it keeps me awake (tried several different brands, it all does it)

Posted by: ambiti

been checking youtube to understand howmuch exactly i need to be mixing HGC,
Still a little confused,

HCG (is it powder or liquid) - I am going to buy HCG but my guy is selling HCG 5000ui (i would need 2 of there for 10 weeks of cycle 500ui x2 per week?

to get 500 ui, how much do i have to mix with bac water? (anyone has videos i can see)

i feel like a unlicensed doctore mixing and doing all these things.....

Please do help!

Posted by: pieguy

Originally Posted by ambiti

been checking youtube to understand howmuch exactly i need to be mixing HGC,
Still a little confused,

HCG (is it powder or liquid) - I am going to buy HCG but my guy is selling HCG 5000ui (i would need 2 of there for 10 weeks of cycle 500ui x2 per week?

to get 500 ui, how much do i have to mix with bac water? (anyone has videos i can see)

i feel like a unlicensed doctore mixing and doing all these things.....

Please do help!

HCG comes in a powder form on arrival from your guy. You take 2ml of bac water and you squirt it into the vial, making sure to aim for the side of the vial so it mixes well. You can lightly swirl the vial but DO NOT SHAKE. You now have reconstituted HCG that should be clear and stored in the refrigerator.

When you're ready to shoot, use an insulin pin and get either .1 or .2 ml of HCG and inject it into a layer of skin and fat. They call this a subcutaneous injection. I recommend researching how to do subcutaneous injections around your navel.

Posted by: ambiti

Originally Posted by pieguy

i was told this;
**Dilute it to 10ml solution then inject .5ml each time, you will be getting 250iu out of every injection.

I have 5000iu, I want to inject 500iu x 2 per week for 10 weeks that means 20 shots of 500iu in total.

Some people are telling me to take 500iu x 3 per week for 10 weeks but I am not sure what is the correct dosage (from my readings/research I see that 500iu x2 per week is the most common so I am thinking about doing that)

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I need 2 of 5000iu to last me for 10 weeks? (i did not include the time of PCT for these 10 weeks - if we include the time of PCT then do I need more?)

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I know I am asking so many question but I am just planning right now, once I know I have everything and the whole schedule drawn up, I plan to start my cycle.

Thank you!!!!

Posted by: squigader

If you haven't started yet, drop the winnie. You're more than fine with test and deca, and winnie causes more problems than its worth.

Posted by: ambiti

I will be using only the followings; (tell me what you think)

500mg of Testosterone Enanthate - 1-10 weeks (2 shots of 250mg per week)

For PCT - I will be using Clomid

I got HCG but I am not sure if I should use or not - (I am still figuring out how much I should use - some sources say you shouldn't use if more than 3 weeks but people here say use it throughout your cycle, so still searching on that)

I hope to get Aromasin tomorrow - (been searching for it for a while, it is an oral table if I am not wrong right?)

Not using winstrol.... only Test E.

Posted by: pieguy

If u use 10 ml of bac water, then do 2 injections a week of .5 ml. If u still notice your testicles shrinking near the later half of ur cycle start using 1 ml injections. You only need shots twice a week.

500 mg of test a week is a good first cycle and it will show you how ur body responds to anabolics. Don't add crazy shit this time around. Wait will your second cycle to try deca, eq, mast and orals.

Posted by: ambiti

Should i use HCG throughout my cycle including the period of PCT?

Also, when should I do the first shot? same day as my 1st injection of test e? (both shots same days with the shot test shots?)

Do you recommend Aromasin? Is it a must?
I dont have novadex but I have clomid, is that enough?

Sorry for the amount of questions again, you seem to know you shit.

Thank you!

Posted by: pieguy

Originally Posted by ambiti

Should i use HCG throughout my cycle including the period of PCT?

Also, when should I do the first shot? same day as my 1st injection of test e? (both shots same days with the shot test shots?)

Do you recommend Aromasin? Is it a must?
I dont have novadex but I have clomid, is that enough?

Sorry for the amount of questions again, you seem to know you shit.

Thank you!

we already answered this same shit...

HCG on cycle, NOT in PCT. Take HCG starting week 2 and stop taking it after you stop pinning test. You can probably take 1-2 doses in that 2 week period between your last shot and PCT.

You do your first HCG injection in week 2. Do it at the same time you do test injectinos as an example cause both are bi-weekly.

Yes I recommend aromasin/exemestane or Arimidex/anastrazole. Aromasin is clearly better. It is a must. It is more important than HCG which is also important, but not mandatory. Nolvadex and clomid are for post-cycle and should not be used on cycle unless it's nolvadex to treat nipple itches or soreness.

I know my shit cause I read a lot of this forum and ask less questions.

Posted by: ambiti

this is what I am planning then, (I am adding little more details to confirm from you readers that I understand correctly)

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*I will inject them both Test E and HCG at the same day, Test E first then HCG
*For HCG, I will be mixing 10 ml of bac water with 5000iu, from what I get, i will do 2 injections a week of .5 ml (I believe that is 500iu each shot - correct me if there are better suggestions)

Steroid Cycle as follows;
week 1 to 10 - 500mg of Testosterone Enanthate (biweekly)
week 2 to 10 - 500iu of HCG x 2 per week (total of 1000iu per week, starting from week 2)

*If I manage to get a hold of Aromasin (I believe I will be able to)
week 1 to 10 - 10mg of Aromasin daily

*I will start PCT 7 days after my last injection of Testesterone Enanthate and HCG

PCT as follows;
days 1 & 2 -200mg
days 3 to 7 -100mg
week 2 - 75mg
weeks 3 & 4 -50mg

HCG is injected in to fat (correct?)
Testosterone Enanthate is injected in to muscle(correct?)
Aromasin, Clomid are oral tablets(correct?)
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Any one suggests different dosage for anything else?
From what I have been reading, Aromasin is taken daily? (correct me if I am wrong)

While I am gathering all the ingredients - lol - is there anything additional you suggest?
During PCT I wanted to ask if I could use Animal Mstak? (I really want to work so hard during PCT)

Thank you!

Posted by: malfeasance

Originally Posted by ambiti

I will discuss this with my trainer

Why?

Your trainer obviously knows nothing about this. Either do your own research or find a new trainer. Do not follow the cycle he is proposing.

Posted by: ambiti

malfeasance - I am not sure if you read all the msgs, I am not listening to my trainer at all right now, that is why I am posting questions here.

I have changed the cycle as my previous post, just double checking with you people so, please read my previous post.

Also, I AM doing a research but people outside of the USA do not really experiment with Steroids as much as people in your part of the world do, so the only way I can get solid information is to ask questions.

If I go to a doctor and say, I want to take steroids, he will say no dont and will not give me feedback about anything in this part of the world (unless I have been using and facing problem).

So lets not argue about how we do a research.

Please give me feedback for the following cycle, THANK YOU!

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*I will inject them both Test E and HCG at the same day, Test E first then HCG
*For HCG, I will be mixing 10 ml of bac water with 5000iu, from what I get, i will do 2 injections a week of .5 ml (I believe that is 500iu each shot - correct me if there are better suggestions)

Steroid Cycle as follows;
week 1 to 10 - 500mg of Testosterone Enanthate (biweekly)
week 2 to 10 - 500iu of HCG x 2 per week (total of 1000iu per week, starting from week 2)

*If I manage to get a hold of Aromasin (I believe I will be able to)
week 1 to 10 - 10mg of Aromasin daily

*I will start PCT 7 days after my last injection of Testesterone Enanthate and HCG

PCT as follows; (Clomid)
days 1 & 2 -200mg
days 3 to 7 -100mg
week 2 - 75mg
weeks 3 & 4 -50mg

HCG is injected in to fat (correct?)
Testosterone Enanthate is injected in to muscle(correct?)
Aromasin, Clomid are oral tablets(correct?)
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Any one suggests different dosage for anything else?
From what I have been reading, Aromasin is taken daily? (correct me if I am wrong)

While I am gathering all the ingredients - lol - is there anything additional you suggest?
During PCT I wanted to ask if I could use Animal Mstak? (I really want to work so hard during PCT)

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