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Posted by: MJ23

This is a cycle in the making. Please advise, more than likely I will have some left overs, but please no PM with mailing address

Week 1 - thru 8: 250 mg Sustanon (Nile)
Week 1 - thru 4 : Dbol tabs ( 25mg / per day )
Week 4 - thru 8: Winstrol depot ( 50mg ampule, every second day)

Nolvadex
and Clomid week 10 thru week 12

I told my buddy that maybe we should wait on the Winny until after the cycle, but hey this is why I am listing this here

I appreciate the feedback

Posted by: MJ23

NO LOVE,

DAMN

TOUGH CROWD

Posted by: Mudge

Some would probably prefer to keep the winny out of there, but there is always debate on how much 17aa's really affect you.

Posted by: MJ23

I appreciate the feedback

Posted by: crackerjack414

I,agrea
never_run_orals_back_to_back

Posted by: Fit Freak

He's not doing Winny tabs...he said the depot version at 50mg/amp eod.

Posted by: Mudge

Its still a 17aa according to this:

Substance: Stanozolol

Winstrol is a common brand name for the drug stanazolol. Stanazolol is a 17-aa steroid, designed for oral administration but also available in injectable form. Winstrol is classified as an anabolic, exhibiting low androgenic side effects. Its' anabolic properties however are not dramatic and is often used in combination with other drugs, most commonly during cutting cycles when water and fat retention are a major concern. In the U.S., the Zambon brand name from Spain seems to be the most popular. It is supplied in 2mg tabs and 50mg water-based injectable ampules. Common dosages are 10-25mg/day orally and 25-50 mg daily injected. On the black market, tabs sell for $1-2 each and ampules usually cost $15-20. Obviously Winstrol can be very expensive to use. 30ml of injectable Winstrol-V (U.S. Veterinary product) is usually more cost effective but legitimate bottles are now rarely seen due to strict gov't control. There are many forms of counterfeit Winstrol, so one should be careful when purchasing this product. The Zambon tabs are pink and come 20 to a strip. The Zambon injectable ampules and American Winstrol-V have been duplicated with good accuracy. One should make sure the water and steroid separate when the vial is left out on a table for some time.

Common Names: Winstrol-V, Winstrol Depot, Stromba, Zanbon, Stanazolic, Stanosus

If its not however, please feel free to clear that up.

Posted by: MJ23

Fitfreak , u are right I am doing 50mg amuple evey second day,
mudge - are u saying it wont matter since its not oil based??!
U guys think I should not do the winny depot, or go back to tabs,
i am confused

I will probably tun Winstrol week 6 thru 10

and start clomid 2 days after

what do u think??

Posted by: Mudge

I'm not saying anything about oil or not oil based, it is a registered 17aa and your doing 17aa's for 8 weeks in a row which is abnormal, that is all I am saying.

I assumed thats why you were asking to do it or not.

Posted by: crackerjack414

I agrea with mudge I gues if you realy wanted to try it you could get your liver enzyme counts checked at week 4 if they were fine proccead. Still imo it is way to dangerous to run more than one 17a in a short cycle

Posted by: MJ23

Gnetlmen - I appreciate the feedback. I might just take either the winy or the dbol out of the equation all together then, and bump the sust to 500mg a week

Posted by: Mudge

Shoot, I would bump it to 500 without really thinking about it, unless you were looking at 10-15ish pounds gain, if you want more, bump it.

I dont know enough about 17aa to honestly know whats safe and whats not, thats just the general feeling out there is "better safe than sorry, stick to 4-6 weeks tops".

Some claim that most 17aa cycles are like having 2-3 beers a day, which many "normal" people will partake in without feeling any guilt, but unless you have access to blood testing and are paying for it, listening to someone elses advice could be risky, so sticking to what is tried and true (shorter 17aa use) may be best.

Plus, some people have propensity for liver problems, I know someone who has a family trait of fat collection AROUND the liver, sounds wierd, but it caused her mothers death recently, who never really drank alcohol at all and she was only 60 or 62 I think, and many people in her family live into the 90s. She knew for about 2 years and didn't tell anyone, and when she really started going south it all happened in about 2 weeks, starting with darker skin, then falling down uncontrollably, and finally dying. Her liver and kidneys went south pretty much simultaneously, one affects the other.

Posted by: MJ23

mudge , thank you for your time

i will bump it to 500 and run it two extra weeks

mj

Posted by: BUSTINOUT

Be prepared too. Those Niles amps suck to open. You don't want your goodies all over the floor. If you take an oral out of the equation, make it the winny. Save it for another cycle that may not promote as much water retention.

Posted by: Mudge

I've never bought or used amps, but you can get amp breakers which may help.

Posted by: BUSTINOUT

Just go get a jewelers file and and score the neck, then put a Bic pen cap over the top and snap with firm quick pressure. Works like a charm. The amp openers are slick too.

Posted by: MJ23

BO - Thank you, I was wondering how I am going to open the suckers. It does have a little silver rod with it, I can use that to score the neck , right

Posted by: MJ23

BO - have u ever heard of Russion Dbol at 2.25mg a pill
in a box of two hundred, ???!!!!

Posted by: Mudge

Quote:

Originally posted by MJ23
BO - Thank you, I was wondering how I am going to open the suckers. It does have a little silver rod with it, I can use that to score the neck , right

I'm going to assume thats to pucture it, scoring means 'engraving' so to speak, unless that has a grinding edge it doesn't sound like what he's talking about.

Posted by: MJ23

It is Mudge, and it has a griding edge to it,

have u heard of those 2.25 russian dbol

Posted by: crackerjack414

lol get an amp opener you will save your self some gear down the road. I wouldnt touch any russian gear at the moment unless you realy trust your source there is alot of fake dbol floating around i think probely your safest bet all things considered are 5mg thai pinks

Posted by: Mudge

I've heard good and bad about international Dbol both Thai and Russian, 2.25 meaning as tested or as advertised, or further as advertised because of how they tested out... sure is a small dose unit though.

I wouldn't buy international at all, but thats my "paranoia" for security kicking into action, if you can get it safer (here) then why save 10% to buy overseas.

Posted by: crackerjack414

I disagrea it seems like more domestic bros have gotten poped lately than international. Basicaly if you deal with any one if they sell dnp or any kind of pain killers or rec drugs they are gonna get poped first. Imo domestics are the way to go but have a fun time trying to find them unless you have got some serious backing

Posted by: MJ23

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge
I've heard good and bad about international Dbol both Thai and Russian, 2.25 meaning as tested or as advertised, or further as advertised because of how they tested out... sure is a small dose unit though.

I wouldn't buy international at all, but thats my "paranoia" for security kicking into action, if you can get it safer (here) then why save 10% to buy overseas.

Mudge, my problem is that it will be too many pills aday to obtain an adequate dosage

But, the source is 100% Legit, its through a family member, cannot get any more guranteed than that bro

Posted by: MJ23

Quote:

Originally posted by crackerjack414
lol get an amp opener you will save your self some gear down the road. I wouldnt touch any russian gear at the moment unless you realy trust your source there is alot of fake dbol floating around i think probely your safest bet all things considered are 5mg thai pinks

Amp Opener it is

Posted by: Mudge

Oh well, you'll be dropping 2 pills at a time I imagine, not too huge a deal I'd say.

I still believe in domestics, yes they get busted, usually those that open post. However it seems like almost all non-powder international orders get seized, not worth it IMO.

Posted by: MJ23

Mudge,

I guess two at a time is not bad.

by the waym, have you had a bad trip overseas or something, or did u just come back from Mexico empty handed

Posted by: MJ23

what do u mean by, as tested or advertised, ??

Posted by: Mudge

What I mean is, I've never seen 2.25mg advertised at least that I can recall, so I wonder why they are refered that way, due to testing or are they advertised that way because that was thier intention.

I have seen 2.5mg stuff though.

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