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Posted by: irontime

Well what the hell. With all the touchy stuff going on with some members *cough* Prince *cough*

I'm a little curious as to peoples views on this one. If somebody wants to die should they have that right? Please state reasons, religious or otherwise.

Posted by: cornfed

euthanizing is different than assisted suicide... euthanasia implies the lack of choice

Posted by: irontime

Ah fuq.

Allrighty then, just for the sake of this thread ASSUME that euthanasia is assisted suicide.

Posted by: Fade

Depends.

Posted by: cornfed

Do you mean denying or ending treatment or killing them straight up?

Posted by: I Are Baboon

The population of the world is growing too rapidly. If someone wants to help by offering to rid the planet of themselves, then have at it!

Posted by: cornfed

can I pick and choose

Posted by: Fade

Originally posted by Prince
Well, you can all probably guess my position on this.

If you want to die, then die.

I do not say that because I am cold or heartless, but it's your life and if you are that unhappy with it and you do no think you can make it better, or just have no desire to, it's your decision.

Hoever, I think that you should be required to go thru some type of counseling first, because it may just be depression and help may change your mind. It could even be a chemical imbalance that medication can fix.

I agree. The person should be made to go through some kind of counceling.

My mom was type 1 bipolar and offed herself. With the right meds it wouldn't have happened.

Butterfly made me go to a Dr. and now I'm on meds for type 2 bipolar disorder. Before that I don't know how many times I thought about suicide.

Now if someone is in constant pain and they may die anyway I think they should be able to do it.

Posted by: Prince

Originally posted by irontime
Ah fuq.

Allrighty then, just for the sake of this thread ASSUME that euthanasia is assisted suicide.

that's what I was thinking....doesn't assisted suicide fall under euthanasia?

Posted by: cornfed

I thought by def, it is the offing of the old by age to control population... even though I threw a 'lil connotation into it...

but if nothing else... I wanted to piss IT off a 'lil

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Can someone please clarify? Are we talking about Dr Kevorkian-type suicides, or are we talking about suicides of plain ol' depressed people?

Suicide by someone who is terminally ill can save them a lot of pain and suffering. Suicide by an otherwise healthy person is an entirely differnet monster.

Posted by: Prince

not sure, cause I thought that assisted suicide fell under the definition of euthanasia.

Posted by: ZECH

Originally posted by I Are Baboon
differnet monster.

I hate those monsters!

Posted by: mmafiter

Ther person should be counselled for some time to make sure they are definite in thier decision. If it's found that they are sure, then I don't see a problem with it.

Posted by: Prince

so, we're going with euthanasia = assisted suicide?

if so, I will put my post back up:

Well, you can all probably guess my position on this.

Posted by: irontime

Originally posted by Prince
not sure, cause I thought that assisted suicide fell under the definition of euthanasia.

That's what I thought, now I'm thinking that it's just cornhole being a dipshit again.

Posted by: irontime

Originally posted by cornfed
but if nothing else... I wanted to piss IT off a 'lil

PRICK!!

.............................good job though

Posted by: ragingbull

You'll never guess who the only "NO" has been.

Let's just say that even though you may be terminally ill or depressed or old but, you still have a purpose for life. *Cough* *Cough* Religious Resons *Cough**Cough*

Posted by: lean_n_76er

Well, I guess on a personal level I am for it, but only for the right reasons. I agree that the person should seek counceling first, and if all goes well, then it's their choice. The only reason I see fit, is if they have a terminal disease. If there is no chance of "beating" the disease and it comes down to quality of life. There are just so many options though... so many scenarios...

Posted by: cornfed

I'm against assisted suicide, unless the person offs themselves and are only assisted in giving the means to do so... I think it's morally wrong but up to the individual. As for euthanizing the old for population control...

PS: I can think of a few people I'd volunteer for extermination

Posted by: irontime

Originally posted by ragingbull
You'll never guess who the only "NO" has been.

Let's just say that even though you may be terminally ill or depressed or old but, you still have a purpose for life. *Cough* *Cough* Religious Resons *Cough**Cough*

I was waiting for you to come around.

But I respect your opinion and thanx for putting it down

Posted by: irontime

As for myself I am for it. I have seen my grandfather suffer for years before he finally died. But he refused any assist as he kept saying that 'the good lord will take me when it's time.' he never did anything in his last years but suffer and it was in vain (as far as I'm concerned)

We put down animals when they are suffering, why? Because it's the humane thing to do. When they are old and are in constant pain you put them down quick and painlessly. So why not for humans?

Posted by: ALBOB

Originally posted by ragingbull Let's just say that even though you may be terminally ill or depressed or old but, you still have a purpose for life. *Cough* *Cough* Religious Resons *Cough**Cough*

I'm not following you on this one RB, could you clarify please? What "relicious reasons" are you talking about when you say the person "still has a purspose in life"?

Posted by: MJ23

YEAH , I SAY KILL ALL MEN,

BUT LEAVE ME TO ENTERTAIN THE FEMALES

Oh, am i on a different subject

Posted by: Prince

Originally posted by ALBOB
I'm not following you on this one RB, could you clarify please? What "relicious reasons" are you talking about when you say the person "still has a purspose in life"?

well, I would say that he believes in determinism and thinks that god has put everyone on earth for a reason/purpose.

personally I believe in free will/choice, and that we determine the direction of our lives by the choices we make everyday.

Posted by: ragingbull

Originally posted by ALBOB
I'm not following you on this one RB, could you clarify please? What "relicious reasons" are you talking about when you say the person "still has a purspose in life"?

Albob,

Let me preface that this is on a religious basis. I never short change what God can do through anyone. Even if a person is terminally ill they can still make a difference in someone elses life. Let's face it, unless they have a miracle happen in their life, they will die. If that's that case, I believe that you take the time that God has allowed and pour into others. My grandfather did this for me, even when he knew he was going to die. I just feel we all can make a difference, no matter our state.

Posted by: frusht

its their body, souls and choice. Just don't involve others. But killing yourself is selfish and ignorant.

Posted by: cornfed

Some people do make an impact through those times as I can attest to. It's the person's choice IMO, but I don't think it's the right one

Posted by: ALBOB

Originally posted by ragingbull Even if a person is terminally ill they can still make a difference in someone elses life.

I completely agree with this statement BUT, I don't think it's our decision to make for the terminally ill person. True, they CAN make a difference but if they CHOOSE not to it's their decision and we should respect it...................In my humble opinion.

Posted by: cornfed

The universe will now end

Albob agrees w/ me

Posted by: ALBOB

Originally posted by cornfed
The universe will now end

Albob agrees w/ me

But only if we CHOOSE to let it.

Posted by: cornfed

Bullsh!t, it's all over :sniff:

Posted by: scientist

Originally Posted by ALBOB

Life, especially nowadays, is treated too lightly. If we go back to basics, it's clear that our lives were given by God as a gift. It is not for us, nor for a patient, nor the state to decide life and death.

Secondly, strong evidence does point out that a person who knows his/her time is near would usually live a better life before he/she dies. It's logical. That person would most probably pray more, prepare his soul, change his life for the better, he/she would make amends for people wronged, do good things more, etc. I had a friend who changed like this.

Just imagine that ending somebody's life by euthanasia denies that person this very right to live the "best" moments of one's life.

Also, it's expected for some people to be suicidal because of the severe depression that the disease/accident incurred. The freedom/right to decide for oneself cannot be applied in a justified way in special cases like this.

The Church calls it the "culture of death". Watch how euthanasia is inevitably linked to other cases of "anti-life" like abortion, for example.

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