I just started my first cycle today. All the prep has gone smoothly so far but I ran into a problem with the needle and the cypiobolic today. I have been told before that a 23 or a 25g needle would work fine but I just tried it with my 25g and it too 20 min to draw which I am guessing the oil is too thick for the needle. Any one else have this problem and what needle did you end up using that worked?? Any help is appreciated!
Posted by: Big Pimpin
Consider buying a box of 50 or 100 18ga or 20ga needles (w/o syringes) to draw with then pin with then 23ga or 25ga. If the stuff is as thick as it sounds, you can probably plan on pinning with a 23ga.
Posted by: OldSchoolLifter
^^^ this
Dont draw with the same needle you inject, even penetrating the vial stopper can blunt the needle a bit, and drawing with a 25g will be slow as dirt.
Buy some 20-21g needles to draw with switch pins to your 25 and go to town.
Posted by: lee111s
Make sure the oil is not cold before drawing...stand it in a cup of warm water for a minute or so to reduce the viscosity. I draw with 23g and plunge with 25g no problemo
Posted by: grynch888
^^^exactly right^^^
Do not keep them in the fridge. It thickens them.
Posted by: GMO
Draw with a 20g, pin with the 25g. Warming does help as well...
18g are a little too large IMO, as they will take out chunks of rubber from the stopper.
Posted by: pebble
I use 23g for drawing and pinning and never have a problem either way. I hate tearing up the rubber with the 18g needles.
Posted by: Big Pimpin
I recently picked up a box of 18ga needles to load oil based palcebos and couldn't belive how fast they draw and how much of vacuum they can produce.
Posted by: Big Pimpin
Originally Posted by pebble
I use 23g for drawing and pinning and never have a problem either way. I hate tearing up the rubber with the 18g needles.
^^^It will leave some tiny tears in the rubber but I have yet see them not reseal.
Posted by: pebble
Originally Posted by Big Pimpin
^^^It will leave some tiny tears in the rubber but I have yet see them not reseal.
I guess it depends on how many times you are going into a bottle.
I have seen chunks missing from some of my buddies stuff. But he could just be rough with his shit.
Posted by: Big Pimpin
Originally Posted by pebble
I guess it depends on how many times you are going into a bottle.
I have seen chunks missing from some of my buddies stuff. But he could just be rough with his shit.
Good point.
Posted by: banker23
Originally Posted by GMO
Draw with a 20g, pin with the 25g. Warming does help as well...
18g are a little too large IMO, as they will take out chunks of rubber from the stopper.
this...though I've been using 18's to draw; will have to watch for chunks of rubber to be safe.
One more thing I have not seen anyone mention:
draw air into the syringe first like 1 ml if that is what you are going to draw then penetrate the vial and depress the stopper injecting the air into the vial. This will create some pressure inside the vial that will force the oil into the syringe.
Posted by: bigbenj
Giving us a little more info will help. Cypiobolic should go fine through that size. What conditions did you keep the gear under?
Posted by: shearerr
use 18 or 20 g for drawing and 23 for injecting. In my opinion there is no reason to use 25g during cycle, unless you are on trt.
Posted by: VictorZ06
Originally Posted by GMO
Draw with a 20g, pin with the 25g. Warming does help as well...
18g are a little too large IMO, as they will take out chunks of rubber from the stopper.
I couldn't have said this better myself. 18g is a harpoon and ruins the stopper real quick. 20g to draw, 25g to pin (22g on my glutes though).
/V
Posted by: james-27
I draw with 18-20g and use 27g 1 1/4 and 30g 1"
Posted by: bigBB21
I use 23g to draw and pin.. ive never had any problems...
Posted by: lsutops
I don't see much of a difference, visually, between a 22 and 23g... how long does it take to pin 1ml of sus or test-e w/ a 25g?
Originally Posted by pebble
