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Posted by: Prince

Judge: School Can Ban American Flag Shirts
Nov 10, 2011

A federal court has ruled that a California public school had the authority to prevent students from wearing clothing emblazoned with pro-American messages on the Mexican holiday Cinco de Mayo.

U. S. District Court Judge James Ware was ruling in a case involving students at Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill, CA, who were banned from wearing American flag t-shirts on the Mexican holiday in 2010.

The judge determined that the Morgan Hill Unified School District did not violate the First Amendment and said that concerns by school officials over possible violence justified censoring the pro-American message.

“The school officials reasonable forecast that Plaintiff’s clothing could cause a substantial disruption with school activities, and therefore did not violate the standard set forth – by requiring that Plaintiff’s change,” the judge wrote.

“This is nothing more than political correctness,” said John Whitehead, president of the Rutherford Institute. His organization, along with Thomas More Law Center, represented the students and their families in the lawsuit.

“If these kinds of decisions are upheld, they will destroy our First Amendment rights,” Whitehead told Fox News.

The lawsuit stems from an incident that generated national attention last May when three students wore patriotic t-shirts, shorts and shoes to class.

Whitehead said the boys were approached by assistant principal Miguel Rodriguez who instructed them to either remove their pro-American shirts or turning them inside out.

“The students were told their shirts would offend Hispanics,” Whitehead said.

The students refused to change because they said it would be disrespectful to the flag. At that point, Whitehead said they were ordered to the office where Rodriguez allegedly lectured the trio on Cinco de Mayo and told them that their clothing would offend Hispanic students on “their” day.

Whitehead said the school’s behavior was incredibly offensive.

“It’s offensive to most Americans,” Whitehead told Fox News. “The symbol of America is the American flag.”

The school district maintained their only concern was student safety – and that’s why they asked the boys to change their shirts.

Wes Smith, the superintendent of the school district, told Fox News that he is “very satisfied with the decision.”

“We were encouraged to hear that the federal court found student safety paramount,” Smith said. “The other finding – that we did not infringe or deny students their First Amendment rights was also encouraging.”

Rutherford said they plan on appealing the judge’s decision, arguing that it sends a terrible message to students.

“It teaches students that at any moment, any time, a state official can shut down free speech and that’s what we’re going to fight against,” he said.

Smith noted that the 2011 Cinco de Mayo celebration went off without a hitch.

Judge: School Can Ban American Flag Shirts | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes



Posted by: Prince

all I can say is wow!



Posted by: Killermonkey

Fuck the meximelts, go back to Mexico if you don't like it!



Posted by: DOMS

Not surprised at all.

The judge:


If the Mexicans have an issue with the American flag, they can go the fuck back to the shit hold that is Mexico.



Posted by: Zaphod

Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
Not surprised at all.

The judge:


If the Mexicans have an issue with the American flag, they can go the fuck back to the shit hold that is Mexico.
And they can go fuck themselves while they're at it.



Posted by: anxious1

When I was in school in SA it was the same, I actually got suspended for racial discrimination for fighting on Cinco De mayo.

I Joined the military so those who wish to be free could. For I joined to potentially give my life for everyone to be free. I am an American, they are Americans, so they are free to speak out on their patriotism!!! Show their support for our country. The country men have died for, my buddies have died for. I don't give a fuck about what that judge says. That needs to be declared unconstitutional... I would give my life for those kids freedom to wear the FLAG THAT MEANS FREEDOM...



Posted by: Killermonkey

Die Commi Fucks!!!



Posted by: Dark Geared God

Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
Not surprised at all.

The judge:


If the Mexicans have an issue with the American flag, they can go the fuck back to the shit hold that is Mexico.




Posted by: meow

Political Correctness is the death of America. Who gives a fuck if its the 5th of May; if you live in America, you should have every right to fly your flag.



Posted by: KelJu

Censorship of any form is bullshit. But, let's think back about the people who wanted to ban latin american students from wearing flags of their mother country. Seems like things are coming back to bite people in the ass, and I think it is funny.



Posted by: DOMS

Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
Censorship of any form is bullshit. But, let's think back about the people who wanted to ban latin american students from wearing flags of their mother country. Seems like things are coming back to bite people in the ass, and I think it is funny.
How about they wear the flag of their shitty country back in their own shitty country?



Posted by: Little Wing

it's shitty journalism that the article doesn't say if ONLY American flags are banned on that day or mexican ones too.



Posted by: anxious1

Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post
it's shitty journalism that the article doesn't say if ONLY American flags are banned on that day or mexican ones too.
You are correct.
Yet we know with out a doubt it is just the conflicting American flag that our service members have died to defend is the single flag banned.



Posted by: Little Wing

Cinco de Mayo (Spanish for "fifth of May") is a holiday held on May 5. It is celebrated nationwide in the United States and regionally in Mexico, primarily in the state of Puebla,[1][2][3][4] where the holiday is called El Dia de la Batalla de Puebla (English: The Day of the Battle of Puebla).[5][6][7] The date is observed in the United States as a celebration of Mexican heritage and pride,[8] and to commemorate the cause of freedom and democracy during the first years of the American Civil War.

Consequences to the United States

Some historians have argued that France's real goal was to help break up the American Union, at the time in the midst of a civil war, by helping the southern Confederacy:[26] "The Mexicans had won a great victory that kept Napoleon III from supplying the confederate rebels for another year, allowing the United States to build the greatest army the world had ever seen.



Posted by: anxious1

Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post
Cinco de Mayo (Spanish for "fifth of May") is a holiday held on May 5. It is celebrated nationwide in the United States and regionally in Mexico, primarily in the state of Puebla,[1][2][3][4] where the holiday is called El Dia de la Batalla de Puebla (English: The Day of the Battle of Puebla).[5][6][7] The date is observed in the United States as a celebration of Mexican heritage and pride,[8] and to commemorate the cause of freedom and democracy during the first years of the American Civil War.

Consequences to the United States

Some historians have argued that France's real goal was to help break up the American Union, at the time in the midst of a civil war, by helping the southern Confederacy:[26] "The Mexicans had won a great victory that kept Napoleon III from supplying the confederate rebels for another year, allowing the United States to build the greatest army the world had ever seen.
You are far more informed than the high school students...
They don't care about heritage, they just flaunt the Mexican flag in a rebellious manner.



Posted by: Little Wing

sometimes i think most people are just whiny bitches that want a reason to be pissy. schools make the cuntiest rules about insignificant shit. how about just deal with the fucking troublemakers.



Posted by: Little Wing

too many overactive anal optic nerves.



Posted by: anxious1

Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post
sometimes i think most people are just whiny bitches that want a reason to be pissy. schools make the cuntiest rules about insignificant shit. how about just deal with the fucking troublemakers.
I was in all kinds of trouble in HS because I was patriotic... I wasn't going to take someone putting down a country that provided their family shelter, security, and jobs.

Schools attack the wrong issues. They should focus more on academia, and athletics for our undereducated obese youth.



Posted by: Little Wing

sadly i think very early on they should teach human decency and strength of character too because a lot obviously aren't getting those lessons at home.



Posted by: anxious1

Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post
sadly i think very early on they should teach human decency and strength of character too because a lot obviously aren't getting those lessons at home.
I concur, have you ever watched "Lions for Lambs"?



Posted by: Little Wing

no. i'll look it up. thanks.



Posted by: Chrisotpherm

Absolutely ridiculous and the joker judge should be prosecuted for selling his country out for THOSE ARE NOT EVEN FREAKING LEGALLY HERE. What a loser bro's



Posted by: anxious1

Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post
no. i'll look it up. thanks.
Phenomenal movie. You'll learn partly why I joined the service. It also goes into what you mentioned about teaching kids values.



Posted by: Little Wing

i'll be sure to see it.



Posted by: Vibrant

It doesn't feel like it anymore, that we are living in a democratic country anymore. How could wearing a symbol of pride for your country be banned in your country?



Posted by: anxious1

Quote Originally Posted by Vibrant View Post
It doesn't feel any more like we are living in a democratic country anymore. How could wearing a symbol of pride for your country be banned in your country?
That's the thing, it isn't ONLY a symbol of pride. The American flag defines our country, and those who have given themselves for it. I carries the blood of men who have died, or been wounded. Holds stars for the dreams that can become reality, and a neutral color that shows equality, and equal opportunity. Now of this means anything to people anymore. If I have a flag tatted on my back then I am a hick, or redneck, not a patriot. Fuck them, fuck that judge, and any other person who dares take away my freedom, or anyone else'.



Posted by: Little Wing

To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.
Abraham Lincoln






Posted by: HialeahChico305

Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post
sometimes i think most people are just whiny bitches that want a reason to be pissy. schools make the cuntiest rules about insignificant shit. how about just deal with the fucking troublemakers.

This x 10. anyone getting gray hairs over the flag censorship needs to stop being a sissy and get over it. its irrelevant.



Posted by: GearsMcGilf

Since when does anyone have a constitutional protection against being offended? If my American flag shirt offends someone, isn't it on them to gtf over it? If I see someone sporting a Che Guevara t-shirt and I'm offended, can I go to the police and have him forced to remove it? If a Hispanic student wears a Mex flag shirt to school, will he be forced to remove it? I think we know the answer to those questions.

How ironic it is that I can walk around here in Beijing wearing a US flag shirt all day and no one gives a shit. Yet, a high school kid in CA isn't allowed the same freedom of expression. Once again, we're becoming our own worst enemy. Glad I'm not there anymore frankly.



Posted by: Browncoatjw

Yeeesh. Kind of surprised. If the principal thinks a t-shirt might get the kids in a physical confrontation, shouldn't the principal go after the kids who may allegedly start the confrontation?



Posted by: blergs.

Quote Originally Posted by Killermonkey View Post
Fuck the meximelts, go back to Mexico if you don't like it!
mex was amarica till you raped their land i hope you know history....... just saying.

still though they should not tell them they cant ware their amarican threads, thats BS. ware a mex flag, ware an Amarican flag, WTF happend to freedome?



Posted by: DOMS

Quote Originally Posted by Browncoatjw View Post
Yeeesh. Kind of surprised. If the principal thinks a t-shirt might get the kids in a physical confrontation, shouldn't the principal go after the kids who may allegedly start the confrontation?
They're Mexicans, so going after them is racism, but it's okay to go after the white kid wearing the flag of his country.



Posted by: DOMS

Quote Originally Posted by blergs. View Post
mex was amarica till you raped their land i hope you know history....... just saying.
Raped their land? Clarification, if you'd be so kind?



Posted by: anxious1

Mexico was full of Incas and other tribes before Europeans raped their land and began aggressively persuading them towards a different lifestyle. I hope you know history.

Killermonkey is correct... If people have issues with how America is ran, then they need to find a land that suits them. America is supposed to be free, so stop hindering that freedom.



Posted by: Zaphod

Quote Originally Posted by blergs. View Post
mex was amarica till you raped their land i hope you know history....... just saying.

still though they should not tell them they cant ware their amarican threads, thats BS. ware a mex flag, ware an Amarican flag, WTF happend to freedome?
The freedoms in this country are being and have been eroded over the last 30 years.



Posted by: LAM

Quote Originally Posted by Zaphod View Post
The freedoms in this country are being and have been eroded over the last 30 years.
tis all part of the great conservative revolution after the liberals fucked everything up with their new deal programs, labor unions that caused wages to actually increase along with productivity and that dam progressive tax system...



Posted by: Chubby

That depends on what kind of messeges was written on the flag. If the messege was " God Bless America", then it is okay, I think. If the messege was offensive to mexican americans, it should be discouraged. I think people have to look at not only the action itself, but also the motive behind the action as well.



Posted by: MDR

Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post
Cinco de Mayo (Spanish for "fifth of May") is a holiday held on May 5. It is celebrated nationwide in the United States and regionally in Mexico, primarily in the state of Puebla,[1][2][3][4] where the holiday is called El Dia de la Batalla de Puebla (English: The Day of the Battle of Puebla).[5][6][7] The date is observed in the United States as a celebration of Mexican heritage and pride,[8] and to commemorate the cause of freedom and democracy during the first years of the American Civil War.

Consequences to the United States

Some historians have argued that France's real goal was to help break up the American Union, at the time in the midst of a civil war, by helping the southern Confederacy:[26] "The Mexicans had won a great victory that kept Napoleon III from supplying the confederate rebels for another year, allowing the United States to build the greatest army the world had ever seen.
During my last year as a public school teacher, I brought up the history behing Cinco de Mayo, and discovered that over 90% of the Hispanic students in my classes had no idea what was being celebrated or why, and I was teaching in a border community. I was actually taken to task by my boss for talking about it in class. Now that's funny. A teacher teaching and then getting in trouble. My department head actually told me that it wasn't part of the state standards, so we shouldn't be spending class time on it. It was around that time I started to rethink my decision to become a teacher.



Posted by: KelJu

Quote Originally Posted by blergs. View Post
mex was amarica till you raped their land i hope you know history....... just saying.

still though they should not tell them they cant ware their amarican threads, thats BS. ware a mex flag, ware an Amarican flag, WTF happend to freedome?

The Incas were conquered by the spanish. Their culture was already disimated before the us got into land disputes.



Posted by: GearsMcGilf

Maybe I'll try a little experiment here in Chiner. On their next national holiday, I'm going to file a complaint with my kid's school and respectufully request that Chinese kids not be allowed to wear shirts displaying the Chinese flag, as it might be offensive to my kids who are Americans, thus resulting in a physical fight (which if course wouldn't be their fault, as they would be the victimsk aka offendees).

Now, what might the result be? Would they grant my request and ban Chinese flag shirts? Or, might they (rightfully) tell me to go fuck myself and go back to the US of A if the shirt offends me? I suspect the latter. But of course, we don't have that same privilidge in the USA. As the world's sole superpower, we seem to be carrying around too much "superpower guilt".



Posted by: Dark Geared God

Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
The Incas were conquered by the spanish. Their culture was already disimated before the us got into land disputes.
And we never even got a thank you note



Posted by: Dark Geared God

Quote Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf View Post
Maybe I'll try a little experiment here in Chiner. On their next national holiday, I'm going to file a complaint with my kid's school and respectufully request that Chinese kids not be allowed to wear shirts displaying the Chinese flag, as it might be offensive to my kids who are Americans, thus resulting in a physical fight (which if course wouldn't be their fault, as they would be the victimsk aka offendees).

Now, what might the result be? Would they grant my request and ban Chinese flag shirts? Or, might they (rightfully) tell me to go fuck myself and go back to the US of A if the shirt offends me? I suspect the latter. But of course, we don't have that same privilidge in the USA. As the world's sole superpower, we seem to be carrying around too much "superpower guilt".
Or you might get a free vaction in there jail and be raped by a 1000 tiny dicks



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