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Arizona for the win.. again

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Posted by: DOMS

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"A state law adopted this year aims to outlaw divisive ethnic studies"

Good.

There isn't a "Caucasian Studies" class covering all the cool shit we've done. If someone tried, it'd be labeled racist.

"But oh, no! If it's not an ethnic studies class, then it's always about White people, already!", you plaintively wail...because you're a dumb shit.

You're a dumb shit for thinking so due to two reasons:

1) If one race can do it and another can't, it's racist.

2) If I went to Mexico, is it my right to demand a Caucasian Studies class since I'm in the minority there? Of course not, because that'd be stupid.

Arizona is the model that all other states should be based on.



Posted by: Dale Mabry

Something can only be divisive if you want to be divided.



Posted by: Vibrant

Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
Original Article

"A state law adopted this year aims to outlaw divisive ethnic studies"

Good.

There isn't a "Caucasian Studies" class covering all the cool shit we've done. If someone tried, it'd be labeled racist.

"But oh, no! If it's not an ethnic studies class, then it's always about White people, already!", you plaintively wail...because you're a dumb shit.

You're a dumb shit for thinking so due to two reasons:

1) If one race can do it and another can't, it's racist.

2) If I went to Mexico, is it my right to demand a Caucasian Studies class since I'm in the minority there? Of course not, because that'd be stupid.

Arizona is the model that all other states should be based on.
I completely agree, I think those classes actually further separate different races sometimes.

I also don't agree with having a black history month because if I asked why isn't there a "white history month?" I'd probably be labeled a racist.



Posted by: Dale Mabry

Although, I would like to add that I think we should stick with our core learning classes and gym in school and have shit like this in a volunteer or privatized setting outside of the school day. We suck enough at Math and Science to make things like this class generally a waste of time.



Posted by: DOMS

Quote Originally Posted by Vibrant View Post
I completely agree, I think those classes actually further separate different races sometimes.

I also don't agree with having a black history month because if I asked why isn't there a "white history month?" I'd probably be labeled a racist.
I'll refer you to this post.



Posted by: DOMS

Quote Originally Posted by Dale Mabry View Post
Although, I would like to add that I think we should stick with our core learning classes and gym in school and have shit like this in a volunteer or privatized setting outside of the school day. We suck enough at Math and Science to make things like this class generally a waste of time.
And a waste of time they are. It's also not like we have the money to waste on them.



Posted by: Dale Mabry

Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
And a waste of time they are. It's also not like we have the money to waste on them.
In reality I don't really feel it's a race issue so much as it is the current environment we are in as a people. A moderate, intelligent voice doesn't get any attention, so the assholes on either extreme tend to get their voices heard.

I also believe there is plenty of reason to learn about other cultures but don't see how this needs to be done with specialized classes. When I was in high school I learned about African-American history as well as some Latin history as well, but I didn't have a specific class for it, it was weaved within the curriculum of my general history classes.

This everybody is a victim shit is getting pretty old, though.



Posted by: DOMS

Quote Originally Posted by Dale Mabry View Post
In reality I don't really feel it's a race issue so much as it is the current environment we are in as a people. A moderate, intelligent voice doesn't get any attention, so the assholes on either extreme tend to get their voices heard.

I also believe there is plenty of reason to learn about other cultures but don't see how this needs to be done with specialized classes. When I was in high school I learned about African-American history as well as some Latin history as well, but I didn't have a specific class for it, it was weaved within the curriculum of my general history classes.
Same here. I learned about others races in world cultures and history classes.

Hell, I've learned more about them after I left school doing my own research. I know more about Africa than most black Americans.

Quote Originally Posted by Dale Mabry View Post
This everybody is a victim shit is getting pretty old, though.
I heard that. But they're not going to let the race card that easily. Why give up a free ride where you can be inferior, yet reap the benefits of a successful person?



Posted by: irish_2003

has SNOPES verified this?



Posted by: lnvanry

This was a big buzz last year....Its too bad if the class has created a climate of ethnocentrism. There is nothing wrong with teaching multi cultural studies (I think its a great idea in principal) but if they pervert it into a "kill whitey" context, then it needs to be removed from the curriculum. I had to chuckle at the racist Ben Franklin comment in the article though...in reality most of our founding fathers would be considered raging racists from a modern perspective.

I made a point NOT to buy a house in Tucson school districts though (Vail is my current city of residence)...Tucson Unified School District is horrid. TUSD's reputation deterred me from buying home in Tucson city district. If they teach that program in Vail districts, something tells me it would be taught in proper spirit of education.



Posted by: irish_2003

i learned everything i needed to know about races by being forced to live amongst others......that ruined it for me forever and i'm no longer tolerant....there's a reason the Irish are believed to have the Holy Grail



Posted by: Dark Geared God

Quote Originally Posted by irish_2003 View Post
i learned everything i needed to know about races by being forced to live amongst others......that ruined it for me forever and i'm no longer tolerant....there's a reason the Irish are believed to have the Holy Grail
Cuz they stole it..



Posted by: GearsMcGilf

Just teach fucking history and leave out the white guilt/evil America bullshit. If I want my kids to know more about Hispanic-American culture, I'll just make them watch Cops every night.



Posted by: Thee_One

Quote Originally Posted by irish_2003 View Post
i learned everything i needed to know about races by being forced to live amongst others......that ruined it for me forever and i'm no longer tolerant....there's a reason the Irish are believed to have the Holy Grail

What does Monty Python have to do with this discussion?!?!



Posted by: maniclion

White history is most of American-History and European History. The rest is under World History and 20th century American History. Why they have to segregate Black History I Don't know I think guys like George Washinton Carver and Martin Luther King can stand just fine along side other great Americans. In my mind setting them in their own history is an insult to their merits....



Posted by: Thee_One

Quote Originally Posted by maniclion View Post
White history is most of American-History and European History. The rest is under World History and 20th century American History. Why they have to segregate Black History I Don't know I think guys like George Washinton Carver and Martin Luther King can stand just fine along side other great Americans. In my mind setting them in their own history is an insult to their merits....

Great Post!



Posted by: DOMS

Quote Originally Posted by maniclion View Post
White history is most of American-History and European History. The rest is under World History and 20th century American History. Why they have to segregate Black History I Don't know I think guys like George Washinton Carver and Martin Luther King can stand just fine along side other great Americans. In my mind setting them in their own history is an insult to their merits....
MLK isn't an American.

What? You don't like that? It's not my idea. He's not American, he's African-American. Blacks aren't regular Americans...because they've said so.



Posted by: Thee_One





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Posted by: Dark Geared God

We have become ninety-nine percent money mad. The method of living at home modestly and within our income, laying a little by systematically for the proverbial rainy day which is due to come, can almost be listed among the lost arts.”



Posted by: LAM

Quote Originally Posted by maniclion View Post
Why they have to segregate Black History I Don't know I think guys like George Washinton Carver and Martin Luther King can stand just fine along side other great Americans. In my mind setting them in their own history is an insult to their merits....
Thomas Edison offered Carver 100K a year to come work for him back in the early 1900's but he turned down the offer. said he wanted to work in education vs the private sector



Posted by: GearsMcGilf

Quote Originally Posted by LAM View Post
Thomas Edison offered Carver 100K a year to come work for him back in the early 1900's but he turned down the offer. said he wanted to work in education vs the private sector
That was a lot of cabbage in those days. I can't imagine anyone turning down what was essentially a $1 million salary to work for a teacher's salary.



Posted by: Thee_One

Quote Originally Posted by Dark Geared God View Post
We have become ninety-nine percent money mad. The method of living at home modestly and within our income, laying a little by systematically for the proverbial rainy day which is due to come, can almost be listed among the lost arts.”

Speak for yourself.



Posted by: Dark Geared God

Quote Originally Posted by Thee_One View Post
Speak for yourself.
what i'm sayin is 99% of the people fuck up and over spend



Posted by: Thee_One

Quote Originally Posted by Dark Geared God View Post
what i'm sayin is 99% of the people fuck up and over spend

Yea, and that's a stupid comment, and gross over-generalization.

PLENTY of people stretch their dollars, save money, don't buy nonsense.....

How can you say 300 million + americans overspend?

Most people I know do not do that.

Then again I'm from the south where people make use of what they got.



Posted by: LAM

Quote Originally Posted by Dark Geared God View Post
what i'm sayin is 99% of the people fuck up and over spend
there is no empirical data that support any such statements...



Posted by: Dark Geared God

Quote Originally Posted by Thee_One View Post
Yea, and that's a stupid comment, and gross over-generalization.

PLENTY of people stretch their dollars, save money, don't buy nonsense.....

How can you say 300 million + americans overspend?

Most people I know do not do that.

Then again I'm from the south where people make use of what they got.
no it isn't how much money that you don't have will you and others spend this X-mas, most people can't just spend alittle.Oh when in doubt just go to the mall and see



Posted by: Dark Geared God

Quote Originally Posted by LAM View Post
there is no empirical data that support any such statements...
just go to the mall.Its bush's fault anyway



Posted by: irish_2003

fact is that people are spending just as foolishly today as they were 5, 10, 20 years ago.....using credit and spending too much of our disposable income (nobody really saves anymore because they rely too much on pensions and 401k instead)......



Posted by: Dark Geared God

Quote Originally Posted by irish_2003 View Post
fact is that people are spending just as foolishly today as they were 5, 10, 20 years ago.....using credit and spending too much of our disposable income (nobody really saves anymore because they rely too much on pensions and 401k instead)......
Exactly and some spend even more



Posted by: GearsMcGilf

Quote Originally Posted by irish_2003 View Post
fact is that people are spending just as foolishly today as they were 5, 10, 20 years ago.....using credit and spending too much of our disposable income (nobody really saves anymore because they rely too much on pensions and 401k instead)......
How else are we gonna pay for our gears?



Posted by: irish_2003

Quote Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf View Post
How else are we gonna pay for our gears?
yes, i always forget about everyone else lol



Posted by: Thee_One

Quote Originally Posted by Dark Geared God View Post
Exactly and some spend even more

CONSUMPTION BASED ECONOMY.
That's how it works people.
Geez


And on a side note....You're still wrong. Just as many people WON'T be going shopping this christmas and "wasting" their money.

I won't be.
My family won't be.


SO your point is just totally stupid and a generalization.



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