I don't recall Obama being in office in 2007. do you know what the SEC did between 2001 and 2009? nothing, their case load dropped from 70 in 2001 to less than 10 in 2007. banking deregulation is the pre-cursor to every banking collapse in the world.

I mean, it's not like he's in office now, making shit decisions...

the decisions made under GWB will effect the world for decades. how exactly does one undue that?

For starters, you don't lie.

During the election, Obama was all talk about how he was going to yank us right the fuck out after his election. 3 years later... Plus, we wasted money in Libya, too.

You also don't fill your administration with cronies from some of the worst companies in the country who screw over the people to pad their back accounts. You know, the people that you say you oppose.

And, this is really easy to understand, you don't damn well continue to do the same shit that Bush did. And, this shit get's crazy, you don't continue the same shit and get to blame your predecessor!

For starters, you don't lie.

During the election, Obama was all talk about how he was going to yank us right the fuck out after his election. 3 years later... Plus, we wasted money in Libya, too.

and why would you believe that considering why we put troops there in the first place.

The CIA has had people in northern Africa for decades waiting to do exactly what was done.

this is what the US does and we people in other country's refer to the states as "the empire"...everyone in the world knows this.

the MIC is more powerful than the banks

and why would you believe that considering why we put troops there in the first place.

The CIA has had people in northern Africa for decades waiting to do exactly what was done.

this is what the US does and we people in other country's refer to the states as "the empire"...everyone in the world knows this.

the MIC is more powerful than the banks

For starters, you don't lie.

During the election, Obama was all talk about how he was going to yank us right the fuck out after his election. 3 years later... Plus, we wasted money in Libya, too.

You also don't fill your administration with cronies from some of the worst companies in the country who screw over the people to pad their back accounts. You know, the people that you say you oppose.

And, this is really easy to understand, you don't damn well continue to do the same shit that Bush did. And, this shit get's crazy, you don't continue the same shit and get to blame your predecessor!

That is a liberal media answer there to DOMS comment. You picked a few points, moved away in an instant and are talking about the CIA. O'Bama fucking lied to EVERYONE, I have seen videos of all his promises and all that were not followed through on (not ones from the media you so loath either, those independent types you like to mention a lot and like are my sources here).

If you promise change and deliver the status quo you are either A) a liar, B) a terrible leader, or C) both. He is C in that list. Reagan was not perfect, Clinton was not perfect, but both could lead orders of magnitude better than O'Bama, shit even Bush rallied the country together when it most needed it.

and I quote Homer Simpson "Marge it takes 2 people to lie, one to tell it and the other to believe it"...

anybody that thought Obama was just going to pull out of the middle east really doesn't understand politics in the US or it's relationship with defense manufactures many of which are basically quasi-federal agency's at this point.

Let me see if I've got this straight.

Bush lied and did stupid shit, so it's his fault. Obama lied and is doing stupid shit, but that's Bush's fault, too.

Does that sound about right?

That is what I heard. The insistence that Afghanistan is somehow part of the middle east is interesting, though LAM did not say Afghanistan directly. Politicians say things, make promises they HOPE to keep, we all know this. Barry made declaration that there would be transparency, we would be out of two wars and he would work with the other side. All he has done is over-inflate the budget and continue all the mistakes Bush made. He is far from honest and probably the worst leader this country has seen since Jimmy Carter.

He actually got my hopes up. He made a big show of how he was going to get special interest groups out of Washington. He did the exact opposite.

Now that you mention it, it's clear that Obama is a combination of the worsts parts of Bush and Carter.

Same here, I cannot believe I am admitting this but I voted for him on the belief that it would change. Until we have term limits, lobbying out of Washington and accountability from politicians (never going to happen), nothing will change.

Same here, I cannot believe I am admitting this but I voted for him on the belief that it would change. Until we have term limits, lobbying out of Washington and accountability from politicians (never going to happen), nothing will change.

Therein lies the problem. This whole Occupy Wall Street thing has been a complete and utter waste of something that had a lot of potential. That whole movement should be about cleaning up Washington. Wall Street is a problem, but if your best friend is stealing from you to give your shit away to another buddy of his, who do you get pissed at? I would drive my friend in to the ground, not the person he was giving my shit to. Every single incumbent needs to be voted out, period. A message needs o be sent that what is going on between Washington an Wall Street is not ok. Our only recourse is to vote the politicians out, we can't do anything to Wall Street. The sad thing is that Congress has a 6% approval rating yet more than 50% of the ones up for re-election will keep their jobs. Partisan politics is completely to blame, look at the other thread on union pensions. When somebody who will make $900k a year for their pension can convince a bunch of people who make $40k a year that someone getting a $90k a year pension is crippling the company there is a severe problem. It just seems that every person in the country is so preoccupied with preventing the people below them in social status from rising above them that they don't realize that the people above them are blindly stealing from them. It's sad really.

Partisan politics is completely to blame, look at the other thread on union pensions. When somebody who will make $900k a year for their pension can convince a bunch of people who make $40k a year that someone getting a $90k a year pension is crippling the company there is a severe problem. It just seems that every person in the country is so preoccupied with preventing the people below them in social status from rising above them that they don't realize that the people above them are blindly stealing from them. It's sad really.

That is what I heard. The insistence that Afghanistan is somehow part of the middle east is interesting, though LAM did not say Afghanistan directly. Politicians say things, make promises they HOPE to keep, we all know this. Barry made declaration that there would be transparency, we would be out of two wars and he would work with the other side. All he has done is over-inflate the budget and continue all the mistakes Bush made. He is far from honest and probably the worst leader this country has seen since Jimmy Carter.

I was going to vote for him, but I learned early on that he was a shiester.

I 100% agree about the changes that need to be made.

Here's an example of the work done by Black Jesus.

Sickening.

I think what Obama meant by change is actually "more of the same."

I don't recall Obama being in office in 2007. do you know what the SEC did between 2001 and 2009? nothing, their case load dropped from 70 in 2001 to less than 10 in 2007. banking deregulation is the pre-cursor to every banking collapse in the world.

He took in the same people that were lobbying to have file sharers put in jail for 10 years.

That's the year in which Citi is accused of foul play. If you want to put that on Bush, go ahead.

But following that same logic, this proposed settlement was struck down THIS year. Who's president now???

technically Citi was following the IRB Basel II option which means they were in compliance.

and part of the reason why the banking collapse happened is that the people that were supposedly experts did not have the proper knowledge base on risk analysis. so instead of putting other "new" people in place that didn't know what was going on Obama kept the ones that in reality now knew the most about the problem. it sounds ass backwards but it really isn't given the circumstances.

personally I would like to see some movement towards large banks in the US being broken up separating credit and equity but the economy is still to fragile to even begin talking bout that, which probably isn't even very realistic.

Okay, you've explained why he kept the same people in place. But the fact still remains, HE kept them in place. Whether it was right, wrong or indifferent, HE did it. Can't blame that on Bush.

Can't we blame it on both of them, they are pandering to corporate America. They don't give a shit about us, just America Inc.

Sure, we can blame it on anybody we want. My only point is that laying 100% of the blame on Bush is a lame, worn out tactic. After three years in office, isn't it time SOMEBODY started holding Obama accountable for SOMETHING?

Can't we blame it on both of them, they are pandering to corporate America. They don't give a shit about us, just America Inc.

He's accountable for not doing anything constructive. But he's a really good public speaker. Just not worth much else after that.

He's accountable for not doing anything constructive. But he's a really good public speaker. Just not worth much else after that.

Bush is part of the blame which, in my opinion, should go all the way back to at least Carter. Mostly because Carter was a lame excuse for a president.