It would work, Donkey. I mean plenty of people run non-test cycles with ok results.

But why? If you were sensitive to estrogen, id understand. But youre adding the dbol. So is it just a shortage of inj. testosterone or are you trying to disprove the "Base" theory?

not at all, I have roughly 20 grams of test right now.

there's only so many cc's that will fit in a syringe.

the question is why would you not want to run test?

This. Exactly this. Most people who want to run cycles without test are the people who have never experienced whats its like to be "on"

ive definitely been on, just looking to try something new.



the cycle im planning on running consists of these dosages

tren 600mg/week
masteron prop 1500mg/week
drol 50mg/day
dbol 50mg/day (spread throughout the day)

my pins are only able to contain 3ml so this is where my problem is arising from

its a cutting/lean mass-gaining cycle that will be complemented by a strict cutting diet. (carb-cycling)

damm dude, ur running that much mast and tren, and ur asking if u dont have to run test, running doses like that, you should have the little details figured out by now, thats sick, im runnin 400mg of mast e in a cycle now, w/sick gains, i never knew you can go that high, is it because its the prop version and not the enthanate that u can go that high, you gonna be dry/RIPPED as fuck brotha!!! what are your stats now if you dont ,mind me asking...

everyone i know says im crazy as fuck.


the most ive ever run masteron prop was 500/week for 4 weeks. Actually got really good results from it, so i figured why not add a LOT more???


actually am reducing the amount of masteron to 1200mg a week for 20 weeks, and am bringing tren ace up to 800mg a week for 20 weeks. Considering dropping mast to 1 gram a week and bring tren ace up to 1gram/week.

im 22 years old, 5'9 200 pounds


best lifts 545 deadlift x1 drop set to 405x15. 635 rack pull from below knees
150 pound dumbbells x5 on flat bench (snapped my wrist on the 5th rep, currently in recovery mode)

280 pound overhead press

damn, donkey and his crazy ass cycles are back.

yeah a deadlift vid would be nice

either way I think you'll end up dropping the tren long before week 20, and that much tren/mast will probably be hell on your hairline, I won't even go into the dbol/drol situation.... Personally I'd go with prop/tren/mast and use the dbol weeks 6-10. Cut the cycle in half and run another ten weeker after some time off/cruising with drol instead of dbol

Lets see this 545lb deadlift.

Dude we've told you all of this before. You've posted some of the stupidest/most dangerous cycles. As long as you know the dangers then feel free to test it out and let us know how it goes.

If you're gonna run drol and dbol together I would at least lower the dbol to 20-30mg, take some liver supps, and keep the run short like 4 weeks. Honestly I would rather see you run a stupid high dose of test than 1g of tren. If the gains aren't enough for you add more test/dbol or eat more. Take a little extra a-dex to compromise for the excess of aromatizable compounds.

On another note I don't like the idea of tren/drol because 1: they both will fuck with your blood pressure and together it might be too much and 2: From everything I've read I think it's advisable to run 10mg nolva during your time with drol as it can bind directly to the estrogen receptor and cause gyno even with plenty of AI. If you're running tren then it is probably not advisable to use nolva. I don't even see the point of mast if you're trying to bulk and that's alot of money, with that much gear I can't imagine it will provide much additional benefit.

Enough test and you will grow like a weed, and with the added benefit of being a walking erection and feeling like a king. Plus it's safe and cheap, if you feel the need to be reckless with your dosages at least do it with test IMO