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Posted by: Prince

R.I.P. Bill of Rights 1789 - 2011
Sunday, January 01, 2012
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger

(NaturalNews) One of the most extraordinary documents in human history -- the Bill of Rights -- has come to an end under President Barack Obama. Derived from sacred principles of natural law, the Bill of Rights has come to a sudden and catastrophic end with the President's signing of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), a law that grants the U.S. military the "legal" right to conduct secret kidnappings of U.S. citizens, followed by indefinite detention, interrogation, torture and even murder. This is all conducted completely outside the protection of law, with no jury, no trial, no legal representation and not even any requirement that the government produce evidence against the accused. It is a system of outright government tyranny against the American people, and it effectively nullifies the Bill of Rights.

In what will be remembered as the most traitorous executive signing ever committed against the American people, President Obama signed the bill on New Year's Eve, a time when most Americans were engaged in the consumption of alcohol. It seems appropriate, of course, since no intelligent American could accept the tyranny of this bill if they were sober.

This is the law that will cement Obama's legacy in the history books as the traitor who nullified the Bill of Rights and paved America's pathway down a road of tyranny that will make Nazi Germany's war crimes look like child's play. If Bush had signed a law like this, liberals would have been screaming "impeachment!" But mysteriously, when a black man and a Democrat destroys civil liberties, the left accepts it as completely appropriate.

Why the Bill of Rights matters

While the U.S. Constitution already limits the power of federal government, the Bill of Rights is the document that enumerates even more limits of federal government power. In its inception, many argued that a Bill of Rights was completely unnecessary because, they explained, the federal government only has the powers specifically enumerated to it under the U.S. Constitution. There was no need to have a "First Amendment" to protect Free Speech, for example, because there was no power granted to government to diminish Free Speech.

This seems silly today, of course, given the natural tendency of all governments to concentrate power in the hands of the few while destroying the rights and freedoms of their own people. But in the 1780's, whether government could ever become a threat to future freedoms was hotly debated. By 1789, enough revolutionary leaders had agreed on the fundamental principles of a Bill of Rights to sign it into law. Its purpose was to provide additional clarifications on the limitation of government power so that there could be absolutely no question that government could NEVER, under any circumstances, violate these key principles of freedom: Freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, freedom from illegal searches, the right to remain silent, the right to due process under law, and so on.

Of course, today's runaway federal government utterly ignores the limitations placed on it by the founding fathers. It aggressively and criminally seeks to expand its power at all costs, completely ignoring the Bill of Rights and openly violating the limitations of power placed upon it by the United States Constitution. The TSA's illegal searching of air travelers, for example, is a blatant violation of Fourth Amendment rights. The government's hijacking of websites it claims are linking to "copyright infringement" hubs is a blatant violation of First Amendment rights. The government's demand that all Americans be forced to buy private health insurance is a blatant violation of Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution -- the "commerce clause."

Now, with the passage of the NDAA, the federal government has torpedoed the entire Bill of Rights, dismissing it completely and effectively promising to violate those rights at will. As of January 1, 2012, we have all been designated enemies of the state. America is the new battleground, and your "right" to due process is null and void.

Remember, this was all done by the very President who promised to close Guantanamo Bay and end secret military prisons. Not only did Obama break that campaign promise (as he has done with nearly ALL his campaign promises), he did exactly the opposite and has now subjected all Americans to the possibility of government-sponsored kidnapping, detainment and torture, all under the very system of secret military prisons he claimed he would close!

"President Obama's action today is a blight on his legacy because he will forever be known as the president who signed indefinite detention without charge or trial into law," said Anthony D. Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union.

Obama's signing statement means nothing

Even while committing an act of pure treason in signing the bill, the unindicted criminal President Obama issued a signing statement that reads, in part, "Moving forward, my administration will interpret and implement the provisions described below in a manner that best preserves the flexibility on which our safety depends and upholds the values on which this country was founded..."

Anyone who reads between the lines here realizes the "the flexibility on which our safety depends" means they can interpret the law in any way they want if there is a sufficient amount of fear being created through false flag terror attacks. Astute readers will also notice that Obama's signing statement has no legal binding whatsoever and only refers to Obama's momentary intentions on how he "wishes" to interpret the law. It does not place any limits whatsoever on how a future President might use the law as written.

"The statute is particularly dangerous because it has no temporal or geographic limitations, and can be used by this and future presidents to militarily detain people captured far from any battlefield," says the ACLU.

What this means is that the next President could use this law to engage in the most horrific holocaust-scale mass round-up of people the world has ever seen. The NDAA legalizes the crimes of Nazi Germany in America, setting the stage for the mass murder of citizens by a rogue government.

United States of America becomes a rogue nation, operating in violation of international law

Furthermore, the NDAA law as written and signed, is a violation of international law as it does not even adhere to the fundamental agreements of how nations treat prisoners of war:

"...the breadth of the NDAA's detention authority violates international law because it is not limited to people captured in the context of an actual armed conflict as required by the laws of war" says the ACLU.

In 1789, today's NDAA law would have been called "treasonous," and those who voted for it would have been shot dead as traitors. This is not a call for violence, but rather an attempt to provide historical context of just how destructive this law really is. Men and women fought and died for the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. People sacrificed their lives, their safety and risked everything to achieve the freedoms that made America such a great nation. For one President to so callously throw away 222 years of liberty, betraying those great Americans who painstakingly created an extraordinary document limiting the power of government, is equivalent to driving a stake through the heart of the Republic.

In signing this, Obama has proven himself to be the most criminal of all U.S. Presidents, far worse than George W. Bush and a total traitor to the nation and its People. Remember, Obama swore upon a Bible that he would "protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic," and yet he himself has become the enemy of the Constitution by signing a law that overtly and callously nullifies the Bill of Rights.

This is nothing less than an act of war declared on the American people by the executive and legislative branches of government. It remains to be seen whether the judicial branch will go along with it (US Supreme Court).

Origins of the Bill of Rights

The Bill of Rights, signed in 1789 by many of the founding fathers of our nation, was based on the Virginia Declaration of Rights, drafted in 1776 and authored largely by George Mason, one of the least-recognized revolutionaries who gave rise to a nation of freedom and liberty.

Mason was a strong advocate of not just states' rights, but of individual rights, and without his influence in 1789, we might not even have a Bill of Rights today (and our nation would have slipped into total government tyranny all the sooner). In fact, he openly opposed ratification of the U.S. Constitution unless it contained a series of amendments now known as the Bill of Rights.

SECTION ONE of this Virginia declaration of rights states:

"That all men are by nature equally free and independent and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety."

Section Three of the declaration speaks to the duty of the Citizens to abolish abusive government:

"That government is, or ought to be, instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security of the people, nation, or community; of all the various modes and forms of government, that is best which is capable of producing the greatest degree of happiness and safety and is most effectually secured against the danger of maladministration; and that, when any government shall be found inadequate or contrary to these purposes, a majority of the community hath an indubitable, inalienable, and indefeasible right to reform, alter, or abolish it, in such manner as shall be judged most conducive to the public weal."

By any honest measure, today's U.S. government, of course, has overstepped the bounds of its original intent. As Mason wrote over 200 years ago, the People of America now have not merely a right but a duty to "reform, alter or abolish it," to bring government back into alignment with its original purpose -- to protect the rights of the People.

Obama violates his Presidential Oath, sworn before God
Article II, Section I of the United States Constitution spells out the oath of office that every President must take during their swearing in:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

In signing the NDAA law into office, Obama has blatantly and unambiguously violated this sacred oath, meaning that his betrayal is not merely against the American people, but also against the Divine Creator.

Given that the Bill of Rights is an extension of Natural Law which establishes a direct heritage of sovereign power from the Creator to the People, a blatant attack upon the Bill of Rights is, by any account, an attack against the Creator and a violation of universal spiritual principles. Those who attempt to undermine the Bill of Rights are attempting to invalidate the relationship between God and Man, and in doing so, they are identifying themselves as enemies of God and agents of Evil.

Today, as 2012 begins, we are now a nation led by evil, and threatened with total destruction by those who would seek to rule as tyrants. This is America's final hour. We either defend the Republic starting right now, or we lose it forever.

Posted by: LAM

the MIC has to keep it's lie going about the threat of terrorism and since leaving Iraq they are bringing this bullshit home now. anybody that can't see the rise of fascism in the US is blind, those that crave authoritarian rule will bitch and moan about it but secretly inside, they welcome it.

Posted by: Curt James

Insert "Red Dawn" YouTube here.

Posted by: Ichigo

It's a sad sad day for America.

Posted by: Dark Geared God

yea thanks obuma ..sumthang bush never did.but i'm sure its his fault somehow

Posted by: LAM

Originally Posted by Dark Geared God

sumthang bush never did.but i'm sure its his fault somehow

try reading the Patriotic Act....

the MIC and the office of POTUS are just about one and the same at this point...

Posted by: Dark Geared God

Originally Posted by LAM

try reading the Patriotic Act....

Sure buddy sure

Posted by: Noheawaiian

Well. Time to go to canada

Posted by: Prince

Originally Posted by LAM

try reading the Patriotic Act...

^this

Posted by: Dark Geared God

Originally Posted by Prince

^this

now this the circle is complete

Posted by: lnvanry

Analysis: U.S. fighter sales soar in time for campaign | Reuters

Posted by: Boomer182

I hope the obamamites are happy. Fuck Obama, and fuck anyone that voted for that piece of shit.

Posted by: colochine

Originally Posted by Boomer182

I hope the obamamites are happy. Fuck Obama, and fuck anyone that voted for that piece of shit.

We have our first kidnapping candidate lol.

Posted by: LAM

Originally Posted by lnvanry

Analysis: U.S. fighter sales soar in time for campaign | Reuters

that recent appropriations bill that Obama just signed had a ton of money going to fighters and various crafts for special ops groups, the littoral combat ships, etc. tons of sick shit, just wish it didn't come out our expense w/ this bogus war on terrorism.

Posted by: flexxthese

Welcome to the USSA. You got your black president, now what?

Posted by: LAM

Originally Posted by flexxthese

Welcome to the USSA. You got your black president, now what?

if you think part affiliation matters in regards to the MIC and the rise of fascism in the US you are delusional...

Posted by: Boomer182

Originally Posted by colochine

We have our first kidnapping candidate lol.

A lot of people have said that, I say come at me bro

Posted by: secdrl

LAM/PRINCE------>

<------Obama

Posted by: Crono1000

This is different than every other "X is the end of America" consipiracy how?

Posted by: Boomer182

Im waiting on Toby Keith's response. lol

Posted by: DOMS

Originally Posted by LAM

try reading the Patriotic Act....

the MIC and the office of POTUS are just about one and the same at this point...

Are you really trying to say that Obama is in no way to blame for this?

Posted by: Boomer182

So, I am waiting on Perry to pull out of the race, and succeed Texas from the Union. Woot Republic of Texas FTW, now if we can just Ron Paul in here.

Posted by: Dark Geared God

Originally Posted by DOMS

Are you really trying to say that Obama is in no way to blame for this?

its bush's fault did ya know

Posted by: flexxthese

Originally Posted by Boomer182

So, I am waiting on Perry to pull out of the race, and succeed Texas from the Union. Woot Republic of Texas FTW, now if we can just Ron Paul in here.

Exactly what I was thinking. Texas is gonna split

Posted by: Boomer182

Perry has already said he will do it. I am waiting to see how this plays out, with him behind in the polls

Posted by: GeorgeForemanRules

Every President in my lifetime has been a piece of shit. That being said, what really amazes me is older people who do not pick up on the pattern once they have gone through 4 or 5 President elections.

Posted by: Boomer182

Clinton was a boss.

Posted by: Gissurjon

Originally Posted by DOMS

Are you really trying to say that Obama is in no way to blame for this?

I don't think he meant that at all. I'm pretty sure he was simply stating that the entities are pretty much one and the same thus it matters little who is in office.
I think alot of people make the mistake of thinking Bush was the one running the show. Obama was presented as the opposite to Bush but does many of the same things, that, I think, is showing people that even if you have two very different people in office the outcome changes little.

Posted by: LAM

Originally Posted by DOMS

Are you really trying to say that Obama is in no way to blame for this?

Obama signed the legislation no doubt..but the marriage between the federal gov, namely the executive branch and military contractors began many decades ago after the cold war when they had to find a new enemy. the steadily increasing military budget is simply another form or rent seeking by elites at the top of the food chain.

Posted by: Zaphod

Originally Posted by GeorgeForemanRules

Every President in my lifetime has been a piece of shit. That being said, what really amazes me is older people who do not pick up on the pattern once they have gone through 4 or 5 President elections.

People don't pick up on it because they are too busy listening to campaign promises and tune out everything else based on the name of the political party they want to associate with.

Posted by: DOMS

Originally Posted by Gissurjon

Yes, the system is setup to only allow the bribe-taking sort of person to be president, but that does not absolve Bush or Obama of their actions against the country.

Posted by: hypno

Originally Posted by Dark Geared God

yea thanks obuma ..sumthang bush never did.but i'm sure its his fault somehow

It's not Bush's or Obuma's fault really. Not the Repub's or Demo's either. Fact is, this started a long time ago. It encompasses both Repeb's and Demo's, it has control of our jobs (lack of jobs) our income, health care and that of the worlds now.

The fake war on terror, the fake war on drugs and so on, are just more things used to keep us frightened and under control. Keep us fighting among ourselves and to most of all, keep the people from working together to save our country, rights and our very lives.

The politicians in this country are completely owned and operated but the corporate structure running this world into the ground. That includes corporations, big unions, big banks and so on.

That being said, we cannot count on our own government to help us anymore. It is high time to stop pointing fingers at Obuma, Bush or anyone else. We must either put aside our differences and come together as Americans or give up being anything but slaves.

Posted by: Gissurjon

Originally Posted by hypno

Completely agree. There are many people on this board that will also agree with you but then turn around and express hatred towards people within this country that do not look or act like them. Same people probably think that their opinion is fair and play no part in the actual problem, but in my opinion they couldn't be farther from the truth. Racists, bigots and other narcissistic individuals are playing right into the plan, as hatred and lack of compassion towards each other is the direct opposite of unity.

Posted by: Dark Geared God

Originally Posted by Gissurjon

Unity is never an option..It just won't happen to much distrust ...until or if it all comes to the end of the world then it will be like the omegaman..people of all colors in a town band together.to survive.thats the only way it would happen...

Posted by: LAM

Originally Posted by Boomer182

Clinton was a boss.

Clinton got lucky that the tech boom happened when he was in office as that's really the only time in the past 3 decades where a large portion of the US population saw real income growth. debt has been fueling consumption since the 80's. this low wage model with debt fueling the financial sector at the personal and federal level has proven to be unsustainable.

Posted by: Gissurjon

Originally Posted by DOMS

Yes, the system is setup to only allow the bribe-taking sort of person to be president, but that does not absolve Bush or Obama of their actions against the country.

Thinking about a Bush or a Obama is exactly what is wanted. Why do you think they are reporting what kind of beer the man likes to drink? Forget about Bush, forget about Obama, its not about them it's about us.

We are the people you deal with day to day, we are the people that might save your life one day, we are the people that return your lost wallet with all the money still in it. Believe that and you will have a positive influence. being mean and cold-hearted because that's how everybody else is, is a cheap cop-out, not to mention it is VERY un-christian (for those who that matters to). We already agree that who is in office doesn't matter. A country is built, rebuilt, fixed and improved from only one direction, the ground up.

Posted by: SupaSwole

Originally Posted by Ichigo

It's a sad sad day for America.

It was a sad ,sad day for America when the nigger got elected...

Posted by: Dark Geared God

Originally Posted by SupaSwole

It was a sad ,sad day for America when the nigger got elected...

Posted by: Gissurjon

Originally Posted by Dark Geared God

Unity is very much an option. You might have never seen it but then again I suspect you haven't seen much outside your bird cage. You don't need trust to unite, trust would help but is not needed. Only thing you need to trust is that you yourself will do the right thing.

This is the problem to many people have, they expect certain things from certain people and once that doesn't happen everything is ruined. Trust yourself, that's the only logical option. Compassion is infectious, very infectious.

Posted by: Dark Geared God

Originally Posted by Gissurjon

Son i was in the army.So i know what trust is...thats real trust...

Posted by: Gissurjon

The "bird cage" phrase was not meant as an insult. People usually live sheltered all their life but form opinions as if they have any facts but from their surroundings.

Posted by: Gissurjon

Originally Posted by Dark Geared God

Son i was in the army.So i know what trust is...thats real trust...

And...

Posted by: Dark Geared God

Been all arount this planet seen talked and killed the people and its been a good time

true a birdcage is not leaving outside you state.

Posted by: Gissurjon

You saying we all need to join the Army or what

Because they don't want me...

Posted by: Dark Geared God

Originally Posted by Gissurjon

And...

if you need An And..then you'll never get it..

Posted by: Gissurjon

Originally Posted by Dark Geared God

Been all arount this planet seen talked and killed the people and its been a good time

true a birdcage is not leaving outside you state.

Yes but not only that, you can move your birdcage lol. I know people that where stationed around the world and have little to no knowledge of the people there or their culture but then I know others that made it a mission to get to know and try to understand the different peopl. The difference in the two is huge. I don't know you so I can't call you either or but I hope it taught you something.... other than killing and fucking ladyboys is fun

Posted by: Gissurjon

Originally Posted by Dark Geared God

if you need An And..then you'll never get it..

i was simply asking what your point was, we didn't disagree on what trust was. We disagreed on weather it was needed to bring people together, but you gave me a definition of trust rather than it's purpose/the need for it.

Posted by: Gissurjon

Hijacked another thread, my bad.

Posted by: Dark Geared God

Originally Posted by Gissurjon

You saying we all need to join the Army or what

Because they don't want me...

They do now. they take fags

Posted by: LAM

Originally Posted by Dark Geared God

Been all arount this planet seen talked and killed the people and its been a good time

true a birdcage is not leaving outside you state.

being in the military and being out of country is not even remotely similar when you are there on vacation or working, etc....it's apples and oranges

Posted by: DOMS

Originally Posted by Gissurjon

We are the people you deal with day to day, we are the people that might save your life one day, we are the people that return your lost wallet with all the money still in it. Believe that and you will have a positive influence. being mean and cold-hearted because that's how everybody else is, is a cheap cop-out, not to mention it is VERY un-christian (for those who that matters to). We already agree that who is in office doesn't matter. A country is built, rebuilt, fixed and improved from only one direction, the ground up.

This is a bit ambiguous, so I'm gonna need clarification.

Posted by: KelJu

I voted for Bush in 2000. I voted for Obama in 2008. Apparently I'm a fucking retard, and a glutton for punishment, so I won't be voting again. Nothing surprises me anymore.

Posted by: Dark Geared God

Originally Posted by KelJu

I voted for Bush in 2000. I voted for Obama in 2008. Apparently I'm a fucking retard, and a glutton for punishment, so I won't be voting again. Nothing surprises me anymore.

i stayed home and smoked meth and speedballed

Posted by: Gissurjon

Originally Posted by DOMS

This is a bit ambiguous, so I'm gonna need clarification.

Let's start caring for our neighbour. We need each other.

Posted by: Dark Geared God

Originally Posted by Gissurjon

Let's start caring for our neighbour. We need each other.

only if he's here legally

Posted by: DOMS

Originally Posted by Gissurjon

Let's start caring for our neighbour. We need each other.

Like DGG said, the legal ones.

Posted by: Dark Geared God

Originally Posted by DOMS

Like DGG said, the legal ones.

On a sidenote.I'm happy to say all the mexicans lost the houses they bought near my house in Paradise valley.My parents say the block is all white now..Well done Az well done..

Posted by: DOMS

Originally Posted by Dark Geared God

On a sidenote.I'm happy to say all the mexicans lost the houses they bought near my house in Paradise valley.My parents say the block is all white now..Well done Az well done..

Very fucking nice!

Posted by: Dark Geared God

Originally Posted by DOMS

Very fucking nice!

indeed most are from cali but now i'm the only tanned home owner in 5 block..the thing that got me most was 20 people living in the house they would pool the money to get a big nice house and turn it 3rd world with crappy cars and non-english speakers

Posted by: DOMS

Originally Posted by Dark Geared God

I lived in a neighborhood that was all white for 3 years with no problems. Then at least 2 Mexican families moved into one house. I had a bike, a snow shovel, and a sled stolen.

Care to guess who was the only house in 4 square blocks that has cars in various states of repair in front of their house?

I really do like the precedent that Arizona is setting for everyone else. When the others states see the benefits that they reap from ousting the illegals, other states will follow. Many others are already passing laws and have more planned.

Posted by: purkingie

Big Brother is not only watching...He's kidnapping and murdering...well he has been , O just makes it a (legal) ACT

Posted by: LAM

Originally Posted by KelJu

I voted for Bush in 2000. I voted for Obama in 2008. Apparently I'm a fucking retard, and a glutton for punishment, so I won't be voting again. Nothing surprises me anymore.

technically it doesn't matter if anybody goes out to vote, the electorates are going to vote for whom ever they have pledged to support (vote) for. the popular vote is just a measure to see if the electorates are an accurate representation of that voting district.

Posted by: BP2000

Originally Posted by LAM

Clinton got lucky that the tech boom happened when he was in office as that's really the only time in the past 3 decades where a large portion of the US population saw real income growth. debt has been fueling consumption since the 80's. this low wage model with debt fueling the financial sector at the personal and federal level has proven to be unsustainable.

yet when I drive around I still see paper plates of new BMW's people go out and finance. And there is no stopping the paper printing press of the FED.

Wonder where that will land us.

Posted by: BP2000

Shit Rome lasted how many year's? Rome went out and tried to rule the world with it's military power and had simliar financial woes. And we are only 200 some year's old.

Posted by: LAM

Originally Posted by BP2000

yet when I drive around I still see paper plates of new BMW's people go out and finance. And there is no stopping the paper printing press of the FED.

Wonder where that will land us.

personal debt is what's been fueling consumption in the US since the 80's. wage stagnation for those in the lower income quintiles have drastically increased as a percentage of household income at now close to 25%. that long with the increase in household debt as homes have increased at a rate far greater than that of the combined household income in each area of the US. it is simply the legal and continued exploitation of humanity.

the FRB used to control the rate of employment during the years prior to 1980 my varying interest rates and the money supply but this is no longer needed. with the loss of unionization in the US workers here are the least protected in the OECD, it costs nothing to layoff or fire the avg american worker. now the FRB only serves the morally bankrupt self serving financial system and wallstreet to pump up their inflated stocks during each recession cycle.

Posted by: hypno

What is it that will get a people to shut up and come together more than anything else?

Trust...nope wrong answer.

Hope...nope wrong answer

Fear...nope getting warmer

Curiosity...nope getting colder

Love...nope wrong answer

The answer is clearly a Common Enemy

Oh and we have got one now

Posted by: LAM

Originally Posted by hypno

The answer is clearly a Common Enemy

Oh and we have got one now

the US flavor of "democracy". it's a tough sell, especially when the majority of the population has been educated by the main stream media on current events and aren't aware of when the problems in the US really started.

Posted by: FUZO

Originally Posted by curt james

insert "red dawn" youtube here.

can i play pony boy,lol

Posted by: hypno

Originally Posted by LAM

So true LAM. Our corporate run media is really nothing more than organized propaganda. We need to stop letting them tell us what to think and start thinking on our own.

People thinking on their own? Oh well, it was a nice thought.

Posted by: Madmann

Originally Posted by hypno

People thinking on their own? Oh well, it was a nice thought.

Yeah there's a better chance of that Mayan calendar being accurate.

Posted by: maniclion

Originally Posted by DOMS

Sounds like where my mom lives in Missouri, except all the people are white.

In Houston the nastiest house on our block was owned by white people from Czech , we had 5 black, 2 Mexican, 1 Colombian a vietnamese and an Indian family on that block and you wouldn't have known from the outside. The next worst house was my white friend Eric's house he raised ferrets so you could smell it from the street, his father wouldn't let them flush the toilet unless they took a shit so it smelled like piss also. They had this rusted broke down Trans Am that leaked every fluid down the driveway. We had a drug bust on our block one night....was it the blacks? Mexicans? No it might have been had to have been the Colombians right? No it was the 2 middle aged cowboys who drove the pickup trucks with lift kits busted for a shit load of cocaine.

Sure some illegals come here and end up being shit, but we have our own piles of shit too.

How do you think Mexicans feel about our criminals making a run for their border all the time? We get what we give I say....

Posted by: Dark Geared God

Posted by: DOMS

Originally Posted by maniclion

Sure some illegals come here and end up being shit, but we have our own piles of shit too.

Some? There are upwards of 20 million illegals here. Hispanics make up 12% of the population but account for 40% of all crime in the nation. Most of the shit in America is Mexican.

Originally Posted by maniclion

How do you think Mexicans feel about our criminals making a run for their border all the time? We get what we give I say....

A handful of Americans versus tens of millions of theirs? Are you serious?

Posted by: LAM

i'm pretty sure that most crime stats basically correlate to the 80/20 rule as career criminals commit the vast majority of crimes. a lot of studies show that in general immigrants are less likely to commit crime than citizens of that country.

some stats from the US DOJ

Bureau of Justice Statistics Correctional Population in the United States, 2010 and Prisoners in 2010

Posted by: cg89

dumb naggers ron paul 2012

Posted by: oufinny

Originally Posted by DOMS

Some? There are upwards of 20 million illegals here. Hispanics make up 12% of the population but account for 40% of all crime in the nation. Most of the shit in America is Mexican.

A handful of Americans versus tens of millions of theirs? Are you serious?

This is why there is such a push for immigration reform. Also, the deportation of people needs to take place; you want to create jobs, get rid of those that are not legally here to work. As the jobs go unfilled and demand rises, so will the wages to bring people in to do the back breaking or nasty work many of the illegals do.

Posted by: DOMS

Originally Posted by oufinny

This is why there is such a push for immigration reform. Also, the deportation of people needs to take place.

I've seen Mexicans ruin entire cities. They show up and quickly - within ten years - turn nice first-world cities into third-world shit holes.

The effects of removing all of the Mexican would be instantaneous. The country would be so much better off.

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