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Confused about Dextrose post W/O


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Posted by: Karlito

I've been reading but It's not sticking...

If I'm still trying to lose love handles is Dextrose a good idea post w/o?

Right now my post w/o shake is 40g Optimum Whey (2 scoops) in 16 oz with 1 tsp flax. I usually eat a few spoonfulls of brown rice with it.

Should I just add a banana? Dextrose?



Posted by: Dr. Pain

Anyone?



Posted by: P-funk

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Anyone?
I'll go for it ...


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Should I just add a banana? Dextrose?
banana=fructose....not dextrose.

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Right now my post w/o shake is 40g Optimum Whey (2 scoops) in 16 oz with 1 tsp flax. I usually eat a few spoonfulls of brown rice with it.
this sounds pretty good. The benefit of adding dextrose is that it is going to give you an insulin spike. In the face of an insulin spike our bodies can not oxidixe fat so your post work out fat loss will be stopped for a couple of hours (something around 4hrs I believe). However, the insulin spike will shuttle the amino acids in your protein to your mucles qiucker as well as supressing cortisol release.

So which do you want? insulin spike or no insulin spike?

There are some people here that are going to tell you that insulin spiking post w/o is bad and other will tell you that it is the only way. All I am going to say is see what works for you. I personally don;t like to spike my insulin levels post workout (cutting or bulking). I have 2 scoops of whey with 1/2c oatmeal and then I eat a regular balanced meal 1-1.5hrs after that. This has really worked well for me. Others benefit greatly from the insulin spike. So try both and see which one your body responds better to. Everyone is different



Posted by: DaMayor

Sources of? Flax post w/o? Good or bad?



Posted by: Monolith

While im not as experienced with body chemistry as most of you, i've tried to read up on the post w/o insulin spike debate, and come to the conclusion its not worth it.

I just time my w/o's so i have a good high protein meal with some fat about 30 mins before i hit the gym. Then about 60-90 mins after i get back, i'll have a 40g shake with some fat (and usually several strawberries).

Of course, one of these days im gonna do a cycle where i spike my insulin, just to see if there's really that big of a difference.



Posted by: Dr. Pain

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Originally posted by P-funk
I'll go for it ...




banana=fructose....not dextrose.



this sounds pretty good. The benefit of adding dextrose is that it is going to give you an insulin spike. In the face of an insulin spike our bodies can not oxidixe fat so your post work out fat loss will be stopped for a couple of hours (something around 4hrs I believe). However, the insulin spike will shuttle the amino acids in your protein to your mucles qiucker as well as supressing cortisol release.

So which do you want? insulin spike or no insulin spike?

There are some people here that are going to tell you that insulin spiking post w/o is bad and other will tell you that it is the only way. All I am going to say is see what works for you. I personally don;t like to spike my insulin levels post workout (cutting or bulking). I have 2 scoops of whey with 1/2c oatmeal and then I eat a regular balanced meal 1-1.5hrs after that. This has really worked well for me. Others benefit greatly from the insulin spike. So try both and see which one your body responds better to. Everyone is different
Awesome


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Posted by: DaMayor

Hey P! You got the big thumbs up from a Super Moderator Oooooooooh!

Do a Cape and Theme Song come with that title, DP?



Posted by: Dr. Pain

P-funk....(along with many others here)

I just want to tell you that your knowledge, the way you express this knowledge and yourself (and I've noticed for a long time), and willingness to help others is incredible...and I hope DM has not made you or anyone fear the "Thumb"

Thanks!


DP (heading to my "roasting" now...lol)



Posted by: DaMayor

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Posted by: w8lifter

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Careful Andy.
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Posted by: P-funk

hmmmm? the tone of this thread has really changed a lot since I read the original postings earilier this morning

thanks for the thumd DP



Posted by: kuso

Well fuck me....look at all these off topic posts....not a one of which has been deleted!



Posted by: DaMayor

Well, I agree with ya.....but I'm not going to do the wild thing with ya!

Double Standard!
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Double Standard!





Posted by: kuso

while I agree with you agreeing with me.....I`m glad you don`t wanna do the wild thing with me, cuz it aint happening



Posted by: DaMayor

Cool. Maybe you could talk to Tank?



Posted by: kuso

Why man? You wanna do the wild thing with him?



Posted by: DaMayor

Careful Aussie.





Posted by: kuso

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Originally posted by DaMayor
Careful Aussie.


You are right...the defender of all things off topic my swoop down and delete this thread if we aren`t careful



Posted by: Tank316

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Originally posted by DaMayor
Cool. Maybe you could talk to Tank?




Posted by: DaMayor

Oh come on big boy....You'd do anything for a protein shake and an insulin spike! (trying to keep things on track here)



Posted by: gopro

Dextrose = good idea
Fructose = bad idea



Posted by: pumpthatiron

I thought funk said that dextrose isn't that good..? so how should i make my protein shake because i don't have access to real food carbs right after working out.. is there some powder that gives me carbs but also helps me continue my fat burning as funk mentioned above?



Posted by: Pirate!

There is nothing wrong with dextrose post-workout. Just don't consume more calories than you need, and you won't store any fat. For burning fat, stick with slow burning (low GI) carbs at all other meals.



Posted by: IONOR

The most optimal PWO shake should contain a 50/50 mix of a simple carb (Dextrose is best) and a more complex carb (Maltodextrin is best) Whey and Water.
You want to stay as far away from Fructiose PWO as this will replenish Liver Glycogen levels but not muscle glycogen. You also want to make this a shake in water as it is faster digesting than whole food (a whole food meal will take rouighly 2hours to hit your blood stream and by this point you have been Catabollic for far to long and any gains from your workout are unlikely)



Posted by: joey2005

I have 2 scoops of why and 1 cup of oats....is 1c too much?



Posted by: LAM

nah...60 grams of carbs is a little on the low side, especially if you are 200 lbs +



Posted by: joey2005

wait a second did you just say a little too low? 1cup of oats is alot! you mean i have to eat 2 cups of oats? lol stuff myself up



Posted by: IONOR

I dont think the GI of ots is high enough to put in your PWO shake to replenish blood glycogen and blood glucose levels, as well as spike insulin. Oats is also a slow burning complex Carb which is just going to miss the mark completly.As far as taking you out of a Catabollic condition as soon as your workout has fininshed You would be far better with maltodextrin and dextrose in your shake. (These can be bought at most supermarkets and some supplement compines stock them.)



Posted by: joey2005

im 200 lbs.. What should be my intake post workout for maltodextrin and dextrose as far as amounts go..i have 2 scoops of isopure whey protein ..so that and how much of this stuff? gotta do some research on this stuf because ive been using 1 cup of oatmeal lately and ive seen massive results as far as muscle gains are concerned..but the thing is im trying to cut lol



Posted by: IONOR

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Originally Posted by joey2005
im 200 lbs.. What should be my intake post workout for maltodextrin and dextrose as far as amounts go..i have 2 scoops of isopure whey protein ..so that and how much of this stuff? gotta do some research on this stuf because ive been using 1 cup of oatmeal lately and ive seen massive results as far as muscle gains are concerned..but the thing is im trying to cut lol
You would want Double carbs to protien ratio in your PWO .You could also do it another way and put 2.5 grams per pound of lean bodymass in for a cut and 5.0grams per pound of lean bodymass on a bulk.Both are good to go
If you can only find one of the two either one on there own is good to go but I recommend taking both.



Posted by: joey2005

i dont know what your talking about? 2.5 x my bodyweight of protein?



Posted by: IONOR

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Originally Posted by joey2005
i dont know what your talking about? 2.5 x my bodyweight of protein?
Sorry that was my mistake it's per 10 pounds of lean bodymass.
If you don't know your lean bodymass. Your 200 pounds so it would be approximetly 50 grams on a cut (just enough to take you out of a catabollic state and replenish glycogen levels). and 100 grams on a bulk



Posted by: joey2005

so 50g of both maltodextrin and dextrose ?



Posted by: IONOR

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Originally Posted by joey2005
so 50g of both maltodextrin and dextrose ?
Yes thats the best choice 100g total carbs on a bulk and 50 grams toatal carbs (25g of Matodextrin and 20g Dextrose) on a cut.



Posted by: juggernaut

I just ordered a 20 lb an of malto from www.nutrabio.com-stuff should last a year! And, I got a corner dot head health food store that sells dex by the 5lb bag! woohoo!!



Posted by: juggernaut

actually i was confused myself about the equation of dex and malto to protein.



Posted by: juggernaut

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