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LEPTIGEN pII...Da Journey.

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Posted by: DaMayor

7/22/03

On Dieting..

Rather than offerring a lengthy, overly eloquent narrative of my dieting experiences, let it suffice to say that I have experimented with several different approaches, from the high-carb/low-fat diets, the Atkin's diet, SKD's, CKD's.....and not unlike many of you here, I have done so with various results, often less than optimal in many cases. However, during my casual study of diet over the past year, I learned of the role and effects of Leptin, a term discussed in great detail in a six part series, which can be found here:

http://www.avantlabs.com/magmain.php

As can information on Leptigen pII, the product we'll be tracking in this journal.

Quick Stats..

Re-measured 7/02/03

Male
Age:37
Height:5'-10"
Weight:236
BF%:Not Recorded
Chest:48.25
Neck:17
Waist:38.5
Thighs:26.5
Calves:17.25
Arms:17.25

The Journal..

The purpose of this journal is to document information pertinent to Leptigen II, and its effects whether negative or positive. We'll do our best to keep things adequately detailed, and expect input from any and/or all of you in like fashion.

Posted by: CaptainDeadlift

There's a joke here somewhere, but I just can't come up with it right now.

Does this mean your goodies have arrived?

Posted by: DaMayor

The Leptigen has not yet arrived, I just thought I'd get the opening down.....little did I know I would lose it in cyberspace, and have to re-write it. My bad.

Today's meals are not exactly up to par....We'll be in much better shape tomorrow.

Meal 1
1 serving (1/4 cup) Oat Bran
2 whole eggs
coffee x3 (this isn't typical)

Meal 2
4 oz. turkey burger
1/2 cup green beans
1/2 cup yellow squash

Meal 3
4 oz. Salmon steak
1 cup (prepared) brown rice
1.5 cups salad greens
1 TBSP. Flax oil
1 TBSP. Balsamic vinegar

Meal 4
Optimum nutrition protein x3

Meal 5
Stir fry-
1/2 cup broccoli
1/2 cup bean sprouts
1/2 cup mushrooms
1/4 cup walnuts
1/2 boneless/skinless chicken (thigh)

Meal 6
EAS AdvantEdge bar

Suppliments-
Multi Vitamin (Currently OneSource for Men)
Fish Oil-5 caps/grams (180mgEPA & 120DHA per serving)

Totals-
Calories:2125
Protein:195.1
Fat:102.3
Carbs.:80.87

Posted by: DaMayor

So far today....

Meal 1
1/4 cup Oat Bran
1 whole egg
4 whites
coffee x2

Meal 2
EAS AdvantEdge Bar (the last of these)
12oz. water

Meal 3
2ea. 4oz. chicken thighs (boneless/skinless)
1 cup brown rice (prepared) combined with...
1 portabello mushroom cap
1 tbsp. Olive oil (total)
(used to brown chicken, then transferred to mushrooms)
Balsamic vinegar used to deglaze the pan....sugar prolly ain't cool.
1.5 cups green beans

Meal 4 (post w/o)
Protein drink (soy, x1.5 servings) this too is temporary...out of whey.

Meal 5
8oz. chicken breast
1 cup lima beans
1.5 cups salad greens
1 serving salad dressing

Totals-
Calories:2316
Protein:265g
Fat:89.6g
Carbs.:112.6

This is roughly a ratio of 46/35/19.....a bit closer to where I need to be.

Posted by: DaMayor

In brief, my diet is, for the most part, in line. I am aware that I need to tweak a few things to achieve the 50/30/20 ratio (PFC) that I was aiming for. While I realize that this may % fluxuate within a few points, I'm not close enough right now.
Items like the walnuts and protein bars are now out. (The use of these was just a matter of convenience)
Any input on suppliments is welcomed.
Oh, and yes TP, I know that my fish oil intake is probably half of that you might use..(I think I recall you mentioning something closer to 12 grams minimum?)..this is an issue of cost efficiency, and will hopefully change soon.

In reference to my workouts...I have stayed with my three day split for now. While the 'daily' routine I was considering seemed attractive initially, Rob's (valid) points, along with the fact that I need to concentrate on diet (and a few other unrelated things) led me to stay where I am for now. If I make any changes, it will be the addition of/rotation between a few new exercises/movements for each muscle group to contain monotony. In addition, I'm going to add some HIIT on off days.

Posted by: Twin Peak

I confirmed last night that all orders have been shipped. While it started last friday, so were shipped as late as yesterday, so it should be in your hands soon.

Also, you should take before pictures, even if you choose not to post them.

Posted by: DaMayor

Glad to hear it....

I took some before pics back in Feb./March.... or thereabouts.....we'll hold on posting them until we have some "after" pics. (Don't want to scare everybody away.)

Then again, that was a while back....maybe we'll re-do the pics.

Diet note: I've noticed a slight increase in hunger between meals since I've gone back to a consistent, 6 meal plan. This is new.

Posted by: DaMayor

Meal 1
1 cup oat bran
1 whole egg
4 whites
coffeex3

Meal 2
8oz. ground turkey
1/2 cup green beans
12oz. water
Multi Vitamin
5g Fish Oil
1 tbsp. LeptiGen pII Dose No.1

Meal 3
6oz. chicken
1/2 cup brown rice
1.5 caups salad greens
dressing

Meal 4
Protein shake (soy...almost gone)
1 tbsp. flax oil

Meal 5
8oz. chicken
1 cup broc/cauliflower
1 cup spinach
dressing

Dose #2 to be taken at 9:30...

Totals-
Calories:2347
Protein:206
Fat:122.7
Carbs:74.12

Posted by: DaMayor

It has arrived!

Cool.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Quote:

Originally posted by DaMayor
It has arrived!

Cool.

Cool. Mine hasn't yet.

Did you see my thread about the chat tonight? You may want to attend.

Note also that some lables got messed up, and all dosage should be in Tablespoons, not Teaspoons.

Posted by: DaMayor

Now, we need to discuss doseage.

Per the package:

<6%BF=5 Tablespoons/day
6-9%BF=4 teaspoons/day
9-12%BF=3 tsp/day
12-15%BF=2
15-20%BF=1
>20%BF=0

I have not had my BF checked, but I assume (yes TP, I know, I know) that I am in the 15-20% range. How much room for error do we have here? Result of miscalculation?
Secondly, why do the recommended doseages seem lower than I recall? I thought I read that this should be administered in several doses throughout the day? Maybe my recollection is wrong?

Posted by: Twin Peak

My guess is, based on your high and weight you are probably in the 25% range. That said, these are general guidelines. As you are having trouble losing, I'd suggest you start with 1 tablespoon twice per day, between meals and about 10 hours apart from each other.

I also HIGHLY recommend that you get 20 grams of fish oil per day. Drop other stuff if you have too. Among the many benefits of EFAs in general, fish oil will increase leptin sensitivity. I am pretty sure you are Leptin resistant. The two together should work wonders for you.

And come to the chat.

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Cool. Mine hasn't yet.

Did you see my thread about the chat tonight? You may want to attend.

Note also that some lables got messed up, and all dosage should be in Tablespoons, not Teaspoons.

Didn't see it...I'll go check it out.

Tablespoons? Noted.

Posted by: DaMayor

Okay, so we'll go with 1TBSP. between meals 1 and 2 (~10:30-11:00am)
and meals 5 and 6, or after meal #5 if something comes up (~7:00 or later)

We're currently between meals 2 and 3....should I go ahead and hit it, or wait until later this evening?

Posted by: Twin Peak

Fire it up.

We already have reports on it affecting hunger dramatically.

Posted by: DaMayor

Alright. Here we go....Dose number 1.

High Noon. Container opened...after a brief shake to assure that everything was combined evenly. 1 even Tablespoon mixed fairly well with 8oz. water. Went down nicely, no gritty texture as noted with the previous LeptiGen product. Has a slight hint of acidity, comparable to a diluted citrus drink. No aftertaste.

Currently, I'm a bit jacked, so I don't see any sense in describing the buzz in my head.....unless you guys know something I don't.

TP, any side effects you want to mention to the 'viewers'? I don't recall anything of any dire consequence mentioned at Avant, just thought you're knowledge/memory of the site would be better than mine.

Secondly, do you know of any intervention problems for those who are using other suppliments, such as PH's, or nicotine, etc.?
(Not that I'm using any...just thought I'd throw it out there.)

Posted by: CaptainDeadlift

Quote:

Originally posted by DaMayor

Currently, I'm a bit jacked, so I don't see any sense in describing the buzz in my head

Are you attributing the buzz to the Leptigen or is this a pre-existing condition?

Posted by: DaMayor

No, the voices are a pre-existing condition....

No, I was just anxious to see how this product works. I'm calm now. In fact, I'll be making a concerted effort not to let (typical, expected) psychological aspects of this test come in to play. Just looking for solid info.....Of course, this is not to say that I am skeptical in any way. Well, within reason.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Please, be skeptical.

The only known side effect is death.

Since the whole point of Leptigen to is to help bring the body back to normal levels, there are no concerns with other ingredients.

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Please, be skeptical.

The only known side effect is death.

Since the whole point of Leptigen to is to help bring the body back to normal levels, there are no concerns with other ingredients.

Death eh? That's encouraging.

Then again, obesity shares the same side effect.

Posted by: CaptainDeadlift

You shouldn't let the possibility of death get in the way of science, DM. Just think of all the IMers who are counting on you. Out of many, you were chosen. Don't let us down.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Yeah, if you die, that would suck.

Posted by: DaMayor

Would sort'a defeat the purpose, eh?

Oh, okay.....I won't die.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Thanks.

Posted by: DaMayor

Hey, it's the least I could do...

Meal 1
1 cup Oat bran
1 whole egg
2 egg whites
coffee x2
Multi Vitamin
10g fish oil (I'm going to split the doseage)

1 Tablespoon Lep II

Meal 2
4oz. steak (lean)
1 cup green beans
1 cup coffee (see following post)

Meal 3
4oz. steak
1 cup Green beans

Meal 4 (post w/o)
1 serving protein shake
1/2 cup brown rice

Meal 5
1 Large Bell Pepper (stuffed with..)
8oz. ground turkey
1 serving Mozarella cheese
tomato 'salad' (3 small roma tomato,1 TBSP Olive oil, Parsley...)

LeptiGen II scheduled for 9:00pm

Just a few observations.....
Had a slight headache last night and this morning. It has since eased up. I suspect it is sinusitis/rhinitis related, but will keep an eye on it.
I did notice a slight decrease in "hunger" this morning. While I've never been a huge fan of breakfast, I have been able to eat in the a.m. with little or no trouble for the past few months. However, this am the task was a bit more laborious than usual.
Other than these two minor changes, I feel perfectly normal....when I'm not looking at the moon.

Posted by: DaMayor

Alright. A slight change since this morning. I've become somewhat lethergic since taking dose #3. However, this could be due to several unrelated factors. It's hot, humid, and overcast today...this, combined with the slight bought of sinusitis could be the cause. ...Cup of coffee might do the trick.

While I want to note any and all changes, I'm trying to avoid the creation of any psychosomatic symptoms due to an overly attentive evaluation of this product. So, if you guys think I'm going overboard, let me know.

Posted by: Twin Peak

FYI, I haven't noted any lethargy, and have not seen any other reports. No ingredients should do this.

Posted by: DaMayor

What about the 5-HTP?

Oh, so your finally came in, eh? How many doses do you have under your belt?

Posted by: Twin Peak

2 last night, 1 today.

Doesn't taste the best, but I am working on the flavoring as we speak. Any vote on flavor?

Posted by: Jodi

What about Rasberry Ice Crystal Light.

Posted by: DaMayor

Aspartame!

(Mod Impersonation...heh heh heh)

I think it tastes like one of two things. Either watered down, week old tang, or some sort of pickle juice. I think it's the ALA.
I view it like protein.....it's a tool, just swig it!

Three, eh? Well, I guess you are a bit chunkier than I am....

Posted by: Jodi

I drink Crystal Light all the time

Posted by: Twin Peak

Quote:

Originally posted by DaMayor
Aspartame!

Three, eh? Well, I guess to are a bit chunkier than I am....

Reread the instructions -- the doseage GOES UP the LEANER you are!

Jodi, I will mix it with crystal light at home, rasberry is a good idea.

My question though was WHAT FLAVOR would you like to see in the FINAL product. That is what I am talking to the manufacturer about.

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Reread the instructions -- the doseage GOES UP the LEANER you are!

Jodi, I will mix it with crystal light at home, rasberry is a good idea.

My question though was WHAT FLAVOR would you like to see in the FINAL product. That is what I am talking to the manufacturer about.

Well, you might as well match the hatch. Since it has a sort of citrus thing going on, maybe orange or lemon.

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

Originally posted by Jodi
I drink Crystal Light all the time

I have some in my cupboard...just pulling your (rather nicely defined) leg.

Workout went well today. Bi's/Tri's.
Since this was the first time in quite a while that I had worked my Bi's (since my injury) I made a special effort to go (embarrassingly) light on the weight. However, I was very surprised at the pump I acheived @ 50% my normal work load(s).
Pushed Tri's pretty hard. I've never used creatine in the past, nor have I taken in enough LeptiGen to attribute the "pump" to either at this point. I could be wrong. Regardless, the workout felt good for a change.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Interesting.

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Interesting.

The part about the pump, or the part about having to hide in the bathroom to do curls?

On a serious note, have Par or anyone else hinted as to when the LeptiGen pII might start to yield weight loss effects? I recall reading about a loading period in the old LeptiGen write ups, so I am guessing that it will be as long as a week or more before I start to see any significant changes.

Of course this is entirely speculative on my part......I realize we're in the testing phase. But based on the previous, only slightly similar product, what would your guess be?

Posted by: Twin Peak

Well, it it only going to moderately improve fat loss (via its nutrient partitioning formulas) directly. Its value is to ensure leptin levels stay elevated, or i f suppressed (rise) -- thus the loading.

Posted by: DaMayor

Alright, this leads me to question number 2. Currently, I'm taking in about 2300 calories on average. (No where near what was suggested, if you remember) Based on Par's comment last night, I've been considering dropping down to, say, 2000cals. Sounds risky, yes. But if the Lep II does its job, I should be able to do so (drop kcals) with less chance of damaging my metabolism, no?
The way I see it is this, the only harm too much of a deficit could do would be to screw up my metabolism (again).....So I have to do another re-set......big whoop.
Either way, I'm taking a chance, right?

Posted by: Twin Peak

2000 would be fine. 1800 would be also.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Though the greater the deficit, the higher the dose.

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
2000 would be fine. 1800 would be also.

That's what I wanted to hear.

All passengers please fasten your seatbelts, we are going to descend to 1800 cals per day. We hope you have enjoyed your journey thus far, and again thank you for dieting with LeptiGen II.

This is only gonna get better and better.

Posted by: DaMayor

My diet has remained on track over the course of the weekend, which is why I haven't posted meals for those days. We'll pick it back up today.

I have noticed a substantial decrease, if not a complete absence, of hunger or cravings of any sort after taking the Lep II. This usually lasts for as long as six hours. Yesterday, I could barely bring myself to eat lunch, which consisted of a tiny 4oz.salmon steak and a salad. I just sat there and poked at it...then finally just tossed it down because I knew I should eat something.
I've had no more headaches, no abodominal discomfort or indigestion, no marked lethargy, and my overall affect remains level.
Everything seems pretty normal.

Workout today.....pump-report later.

Meals:

Meal 1
1 cup Oatbran
1 whole eggs
2 whites
Multi Vitamin
10 grams fish oil

Meal 2
6oz. chicken breast
1 stick mozzarella

Meal 3
1 cup tuna salad
1.5cups salad greens

Meal 4 (post w/o)
protein shake

Meal 5
2 whiting fillets
1 cup eggplant/squash
10grams fish oil

Totals-
Calories:1563
Protein:203
Carbs.:35.4
Fat:69.4

Posted by: Twin Peak

Lack of hunger has been nothing short of remarkable. Dozens of people are reporting this already.

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Lack of hunger has been nothing short of remarkable. Dozens of people are reporting this already.

This is true, however, my personal objective has been to avoid recording any decrease in hunger due to psychosomatic influences/generalized hope in the product. Seems like a lot of folks noted this very very early on. Made me wonder a bit. Anyway........hunger pains are no more.

Posted by: Twin Peak

I started dosing on Thursday night, and the first time I noticed anything was on Saturday. And the blunting was too dramatic to be psychosomatic, IMO.

Posted by: DaMayor

My comment was in reference to those who had only had the product for a day or so. I agree that the degree of "bluntness", or lack of hunger is dramatic overall. I was just being cautious in my personal observation of this.

To the gym!

Posted by: DaMayor

Quick Notes....

Today's food intake was short of the mark. My calories were way too low, protein was low, etc.. May have to add a quick protein shake or something to bring the numbers up.

Apparently, the lack of cravings has made it easy to "under eat".

Workout went well....strength continues to increase at a nice pace.
I'm now recruiting for both IM and Avant.

Salary is negotiable.

Oh, by the way, since this past Friday I've lost about 3.5lbs. Hopefully, this trend will continue.

Posted by: Twin Peak

I too have eaten suprisingly little today, and am sitting here rather full.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Quote:

Originally posted by DaMayor
Oh, by the way, since this past Friday I've lost about 3.5lbs. Hopefully, this trend will continue.

Basically you are saying you were stalled for months and since adding leptigen, in 4 days you have lost 3.5 pounds?

Still I have to believe its mostly water.

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Basically you are saying you were stalled for months and since adding leptigen, in 4 days you have lost 3.5 pounds?Guardedly, Yes.

Still I have to believe its mostly water.

I think the same...for now.
If the trend continues for another two weeks, then I would feel more confident in saying that it was primarily the caloric deficit, supported by the Leptigen.

Posted by: Twin Peak

You won't average a pound a day. 1.5 to 2 per week is optimal. Stalling [was] inevitable.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Although if the trend continues I might reconsider my stance on the nutrient partitioning effects and change it from mild to dramatic.

Also, recall that you once were eating far reduced calories than you are now, with zero results.

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
You won't average a pound a day. 1.5 to 2 per week is optimal. Stalling [was] inevitable.

Oh no, I wouldn't want to. Well, of course I would want to, but it wouldn't be in my best interests for long term success.
1-2 a week is cool.

Re:your statement about my previous caloric intake....
That's really what I meant when I said "with the support of the Leptigen"...I meant it is doing its job well thus far. I suppose the real test will come in a couple more weeks, or when a re-feed would normally be required.

Posted by: DaMayor

Okay, today we'll get our calories back up to 1800, or thereabouts. Odd, but I feel like hitting the gym again today.

Meal 1
1 cup Oat Bran
1 whole egg
4 egg whites
coffeex2
Multi-Vitamin
10 grams fish oil

Meal 2
1/2 cup tuna salad (did not want this)

Meal 3 (Not terribly hungry, but moreso than in the a.m.)
2 4oz. turkey burgers
1 cup green beans
10 grams fish oil.

Meal 5...

Posted by: Jenny

This will be very interesting to follow

I think I just might buy Leptigen myself..

TP, how much do you think the shipping would be?

Posted by: Pepper

Quote:

Originally posted by Jenny
This will be very interesting to follow

I think I just might buy Leptigen myself..

TP, how much do you think the shipping would be?

Yes, this is interesting. I ordered some yesterday

, figured what the hell.

Posted by: Jenny

Yeah, if it can stop my ocassional cravings I'm all for it!

Posted by: Twin Peak

Jenny, I will look into it.

Pepper, I'd love to hear your results/feedback. The formula is not 100% finalized so your feedback, including flavoring could help shape it. As it stands now, it has no flavoring but I have found it mixes well with citrus drinks (like various crystal light flavors) but not soda.

Posted by: Jenny

Thank you TP

Posted by: dg806

Quote:

Originally posted by DaMayor
Well, you might as well match the hatch. Since it has a sort of citrus thing going on, maybe orange or lemon.

I wonder if anyone knows what this means???

Posted by: Twin Peak

Quote:

Originally posted by Jenny
Yeah, if it can stop my ocassional cravings I'm all for it!

Please don't misunderstand. This is only a tinsy winsy benefit. And evidence that what it is suppose to do, it is doing.

Posted by: Jenny

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Please don't misunderstand. This is only a tinsy winsy benefit. And evidence that what it is suppose to do, it is doing.

I know TP, I don't expect it to be a miracle product, even though it seems to have some really good benefits

And I can't believe you said "tinsy winsy"

Posted by: Twin Peak

Quote:

Originally posted by Jenny
I know TP, I don't expect it to be a miracle product, even though it seems to have some really good benefits

And I can't believe you said "tinsy winsy"

No, no. I am not being clear.

In fact, this is a miracle product. Or at least as close to one as we have ever seen.

It in fact does suppress appetite and cravings. My point was that is not what it was designed for, but rather a byproduct of it does.

I have discussed this in detail elsewhere, but in short, it sends a signal to your body that it is being fed a significant amount of calories when it is not. So, when you diet, you can still gain muscle, your leptin levels and thus metabolism does crash, and on and on. Also, your body thinks it is being "Fed." Thus, little hunger, and few cravings.

Posted by: Jenny

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
No, no. I am not being clear.

In fact, this is a miracle product. Or at least as close to one as we have ever seen.

It in fact does suppress appetite and cravings. My point was that is not what it was designed for, but rather a byproduct of it does.

I have discussed this in detail elsewhere, but in short, it sends a signal to your body that it is being fed a significant amount of calories when it is not. So, when you diet, you can still gain muscle, your leptin levels and thus metabolism does crash, and on and on. Also, your body thinks it is being "Fed." Thus, little hunger, and few cravings.

Oh, okay. I guess I haven't been reading up enough.

This really is interesting. Could be a tremendous help!

Please check the shipping costs, I think you've got a new customer

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

I hope you meant "doesn't crash"...

Considering my personal history, if my current "weight loss" continues, (even though we are probably right in suspecting water loss initially) this will prove (at least to me) that the product protects leptin levels and metabolism, since I would otherwise have crashed and burned by now. Seems that my system is overly protective of fat....while this would be handy during a famine, it is not a desireable condition under normal circumstances.

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

Originally posted by dg806
I wonder if anyone knows what this means???

It's a trout fisherman's term. When selecting a fly, you would want to match the species of fly most recently hatched....hence more preferred by the fish.

Quick Note:

Meal number 2 was damn near impossible to eat....my appetite's been hammered! Yeesh! Now the problem is eating enough!

Posted by: nikegurl

I'm going to have to try this as well!

TP, in your honest opinion would I be better off waiting a few weeks since I'm coming off 6 weeks of no gym and not following my eating plan?

By the way - I know it had to be bad for my metabolism to eat so little and drop weight so quickly but I actually like the way I look now. Much leaner. Yes, I know I lost muscle but my bodyfat is much lower so I guess I got lucky.

I started back at the gym last night. Today I'm figuring out my meals to do carb cycling. Should I hold off a few weeks on the Leptigen?

DaMayor, thanks for doing this and posting a great journal. I look forward to all the updates. Hope you keep making great progress!

Posted by: Twin Peak

NG, generally one would not need Leptigen at the beginning of a diet, as leptin levels are normally quite high. That said, even such a person could use 1 or 2 TBSP per day (and increase dosage as s/he got leaner) to maintain proper balance.

However, it sounds like you are leaner than normal (for you). So it be particularly beneficial for you at this time.

Conversely, someone who has been dieting for a while should probably load with Leptigen, so its six of one half of another.

That said you could probably wait a week or two without loading.

Quote:

Seems that my system is overly protective of fat....while this would be handy during a famine, it is not a desireable condition under normal circumstances.

DM, just means your body is highly effecient, from an evolutionary standpoint.

Evolution is the main concept behind Par Deus articles, and theories behind Leptigen.

Posted by: DaMayor

I'm not sure what TP's response would be, but per the instructions given on the package:

"Females
Add 1 tablespoon....etc. etc........Do not use until under 25%BF,unless you have dieted for at least 8 weeks."

My interpretation of this is "Go for it". However, I'm sure Mr. Peaks will have additional advice.

As far as the journal goes......it's all good.

Another quick note:

While I'm not exactly looking forward to Meal 3, aka lunch, I'm not quite as void of hunger as before. It seems that the LeptiGen hits me hard for ~3 hours, then tapers off a bit. At this point, I'm taking two doses per day, but due to my recent decrease in calories, I might want to add another dose mid-day...maybe a teaspoon for starters.....Comments?

Posted by: Twin Peak

3 would be good, given your deficit.

Posted by: nikegurl

hmmmm....maybe i shouldn't wait. while i haven't "dieted" in the proper sense i have had very low calories in recent weeks.

i'll let the finances decide if i order now or have to wait for next paycheck. thank you both!

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak

DM, just means your body is highly effecient, from an evolutionary standpoint.

Evolution is the main concept behind Par Deus articles, and theories behind Leptigen.

This was my thought as well.......and explains my uncanny interest in hunting and gathering societies...as well as my disproportionate arm length. Could I be

Da Missing Link?

Posted by: Pepper

evolution

Posted by: DaMayor

Don't do it,man......don't do it! I'll NEVER get another entry in here if that debate gets fired up again.

Posted by: Pepper

Quote:

Originally posted by DaMayor
Don't do it,man......don't do it! I'll NEVER get another entry in here if that debate gets fired up again.

No way, I was just funning with you.

I did buy some of this stuff, we'll see if it helps. I am cutting my calories again, down to 2,000. Whoever said 10 cals per lbs needs to be taken out and beaten...it just ain't so...not for me anyway!

Posted by: Twin Peak

Must have missed it. Thankfully.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Quote:

Originally posted by Pepper
No way, I was just funning with you.

Wow, you are REALLY low. And I presume rather low below your setpoint?

I'd suggest a rather high dosing given those two factors.

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

Originally posted by DaMayor
Okay, today we'll get our calories back up to 1800, or thereabouts. Odd, but I feel like hitting the gym again today.

Alright , let's get back on track...

Meal4
EAS Advantage Bar

Meal 5
6oz. cubed steak
1 cup sweet potato
1/4 onion

Meal 6
EAS AdvantEdge Bar (had to buy some cals

)

Totals-
Calories:1789
Protein:205
Fat:83
Carbs.:33.5

At this point, I've noted with some consistencey that the effects of Lep II are most noticeable for about three to three and a half hours after (my initial) dose. This is just the appetite "blunting" we're talking about.
Due to my lack of desire to eat, dropping calories is no problem. However, in order to do this I'll definately need to increase the dose to 3 Tablespoons a day, as recommended by TP...the most intelligent man on the planet.....Gosh I hope to be like him one day!

Yo, TP!
Does our new member, Master Par, have any input on the doseage, etc.? Give us a yell.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
3 would be good, given your deficit.

Do I speak for no reason?

Posted by: oaktownboy

of course not!!!

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Do I speak for no reason?

I don't know. Do you?

And quit bringing your groupies in here. (that oakguy up there)

Posted by: oaktownboy

not groupie just searching for the truth

besides the fact that TP is one of the smartest guys on the forum

Posted by: oaktownboy

i'm sorry by what week is it now DaMayor? first ? second?

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

Originally posted by oaktownboy
not groupie just searching for the truth

besides the fact that TP is one of the smartest guys on the forum

I was joking buddy. You're welcome anytime. Besides, we're all searching for something. An example: I am searching for my Abs.

As far as TP being one of the smartest guys on the forum.....Yeah, maybe. But if you say he's The smartest guy on the forum, I'll have to ask you to leave.

Re: question #2.....we're beginning week 2.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Groupies? I have groupies?

Posted by: Twin Peak

Quote:

Originally posted by oaktownboy
not groupie just searching for the truth

I love it. So have you figured out the reference then?

Posted by: DaMayor

Oh calm down, seeker boy. You don't have any groupies.
Believe me, they're over-rated anyway.

Posted by: nikegurl

this is good. i'm not a pest. i'm a "groupie". it sounds very youthful!

Posted by: Twin Peak

Next thing I'll have is stalkers.

That'd be cool.

Posted by: CaptainDeadlift

OK then, consider yourself stalked.

(Note to Prince - need a "stalker" smilie).

Serious question to legitimize this entry. I understand the part about Leptigen dulling the hunger pains (easily observed), but what evidence is there that the nutrient partitioning is taking place?

Posted by: Twin Peak

I doubt you would see any evidence, as such, in the short term.

Things to look for though, include more fat loss than you would otherwise have given a similar diet (e.g. losing 1.75 pounds on average per week rather than 1.5).

Not losing as much muscle, or perhaps even gaining some, while on a similar diet. Fuller muscles, in general (it is also a cell volumizer).

I'll probably think of others. But to notice these effects, you'd have to have similar past experiences with which to compare.

And I was wondering where the Captain has been.

Posted by: dg806

Quote:

Originally posted by DaMayor
It's a trout fisherman's term. When selecting a fly, you would want to match the species of fly most recently hatched....hence more preferred by the fish.

BINGO! When we going fishing buddy??

Posted by: Twin Peak

Quote:

Originally posted by CaptainDeadlift
Serious question to legitimize this entry. I understand the part about Leptigen dulling the hunger pains (easily observed), but what evidence is there that the nutrient partitioning is taking place?

Actually, I just saw this response, from an unbiased individual, which answers your question fairly well:

Quote:

I just wanted to attest for the repartitioning effect of Leptigen2.

After only 6 days of use, I just noticed a drastic repartitioning of money in my bank account to money in Par's wallet for 3 more tubs of this Manna. I hope this prototype will stay in constant production for quite some time.

Seriously, if you read the reviews we were getting at Avant, you'd think they were all fake.

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

Originally posted by dg806
BINGO! When we going fishing buddy??

I'm heading up to Bryson City on or around the 15th of August. My Aunt has a place up there...at the base of her driveway is a nice little branch (about thirty feet across) with a ..get this....A Baptismal Pool carved out of the rock! I hope the trout are still getting religion when I get there! Haven't been in 15 years! Actually, I hope I can afford the N.C. Non-resident license! Those things are Outrageous!

Alright, to the stats....

Meal 1
2 whole eggs
3 egg whites
Coffee x 3cups
Multi-V
10 grams fish oil

Meal 2
EAS bar

Meal 3
~4oz. cubed steak
1/8 onion..if that.

Meal 4
4oz. cube steak
1 pc. cheese (small)

Meal 5
2 roma tomato
1 cup tuna salad
1 whole egg (boiled)

Meal 6
Protein shake
10 grams fish oil

Totals-
Calories:1843
Protein:230
Fat:83
Carbs:37

Roughly 51/40/9 % right now.

Posted by: DaMayor

Quick Notes....

No significant changes today. As suggested by....what's that guy's name? Hmm. I'll remember later...I've increased the dose to 3 tablespoons. Hunger is touch and go, but never at a level comparable to my pre-LeptiGen state.

Posted by: The_Chicken_Daddy

Is this stuff on back order yet, Ste?

Posted by: Twin Peak

No, still some volume left. No idea how long. Unfortunately I expect there to be a decent delay when its gone, unfortunately. I need to make sure I have stock.

Posted by: The_Chicken_Daddy

Are there any planned amendments for version 2.1?

Posted by: Twin Peak

Other than flavoring, uncertain. Being discussed. Nothing major, as of now.

Posted by: The_Chicken_Daddy

You should introduce dirt flavour. That'll make me feel well hizzle-kizzle.

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
No, still some volume left. You're kidding, right?

No idea how long. Unfortunately I expect there to be a decent delay when its gone, unfortunately. I need to make sure I have stock.

Why the delay? I thought Par ironed out the sourcing kinks?

Posted by: Twin Peak

Yes and no. Difficult to get into, and yeah, still about half left.

Posted by: QueenofSquats

Hi Guys,
Is Leptigen pII, available, to order on line, delivery to Toronto, Canada, If yes, can you give me the link.

Posted by: Jodi

www.avantlabs.com

Posted by: dg806

Quote:

Originally posted by DaMayor
I'm heading up to Bryson City on or around the 15th of August. My Aunt has a place up there...at the base of her driveway is a nice little branch (about thirty feet across) with a ..get this....A Baptismal Pool carved out of the rock! I hope the trout are still getting religion when I get there! Haven't been in 15 years! Actually, I hope I can afford the N.C. Non-resident license! Those things are Outrageous!

Bryson City is a pretty little place! Trout fishing has been great all summer since we have had so much rain! Terrestrials would be good to use then.
State Fishing: Resident - $15.00 Nonresident - $30.00
Note* you will need to get a $10.00 trout stamp in addittion to add to the cost of these license fees if you are a out of state or state resident planning to fish hatchery supported waters.

3 Day Nonresident - $15.00

1 Day Nonresident - $10.00
http://www.smokyonthefly.com/hatch.html
Check this again in August!

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Yes and no. Difficult to get into, and yeah, still about half left.

I'm very surprised.

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

Originally posted by Jodi
www.avantlabs.com

Oh Oh, and that's all you have to say huh?

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

Originally posted by dg806
Bryson City is a pretty little place! Trout fishing has been great all summer since we have had so much rain! Terrestrials would be good to use then.
State Fishing: Resident - $15.00 Nonresident - $30.00
Note* you will need to get a $10.00 trout stamp in addittion to add to the cost of these license fees if you are a out of state or state resident planning to fish hatchery supported waters.

3 Day Nonresident - $15.00

1 Day Nonresident - $10.00
http://www.smokyonthefly.com/hatch.html
Check this again in August!

That's not so painful. I'll have to dig out the old fly rod(s).

Alright.....the usual stuff..

Meal 1
2 whole eggs
3 whites
1 slice cheese
coffee x2
Multi Vitamin
10 grams fish oil

Meal 2
EAS Protein shake

Meal3
6-8oz. chicken breast
1.5 cups mixed salad greens
2 tbsp dressing (reduced everything)

Meal 4....

Posted by: DaMayor

Took my a.m. dose of Lep II later than usual, about 10:15 instead of 9:00. Went to the gym for a quick leg workout, quick meaning about thirty minutes vs. the usual 45min. to 1 hour. For whatever the reason, for about twenty minutes after the w/o I was nauseated as hell. Seems to have decreased a bit after downing a protein shake.
Just for shits and giggles I jumped on the scale. I am back to 236.....right where I started. Now, this could, and probably is, a fluxuation in water. Regardless, it ain't the most motivational thing. I'll take some measurements tomorrow, maybe this will offer something more motivational.
However, just for the moment, Im Pissed Off.

Hey, I'm only human, right?

Posted by: Twin Peak

You had a lot of steak and eggs yesterday, could be the salt.

Posted by: DaMayor

Well, I think I know what I did.
I added some yogurt to the protein shake (meal 6) last night, since my carbs up to that point were pretty low. (about 17g) I never do this. Haven't had yogurt is ages. Anyway, I remember feeling like the Goodyear Blimp about 5 minutes after drinking the thing. So, apparently it is a combination of the carbs and salt.

I feel more tone overall, and my appearance might have changed ever so slightly (based on my wife's comments) but not that much. It'll take time.

But for now, Let me sulk.

Posted by: Pepper

FedEx just delivered mine. Mixed it with Crystal Light Pink lemondade mix and about 40 oz of water. I can't taste the stuff.

Off we go....

EDIT - DaMayor, sorry for the journal clutter, thought I was in the other one.

and

NOTE TO SELF - continually stir the product into the Crystal Light. It settled to the bottom and now I taste it big time!

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

Originally posted by Pepper
FedEx just delivered mine. Mixed it with Crystal Light Pink lemondade mix and about 40 oz of water. I can't taste the stuff.

Off we go....

EDIT - DaMayor, sorry for the journal clutter, thought I was in the other one.

and

NOTE TO SELF - continually stir the product into the Crystal Light. It settled to the bottom and now I taste it big time!

Hey, no problem Pepper. I don't see it as clutter. In fact, I have a feeling that we might have a few things in common in regards to BF%, metabolism and caloric deficit required for weight loss anyway. So post anytime, brother.

Secondly, I have noticed that the LeptiGen II seems to be sensitive to humidity, at least to some degree. When mine first arrived, it seemed to mix very well. However, as time goes on it seems to "clump up" a bit more. I just toss it down anyway.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Shake up the bottles every day or so to combat settling.

And yes, Pepper, I'd love to hear your feedback.

Posted by: DaMayor

Thinking Out Loud......

Y'know, after reading some of the feedback over at Avant, as illogical as it may seem, I've been having thoughts of dropping calories again. We're holding at around 1700-1800 right now......Ah, I don't know. Maybe I'll give it another week.

Posted by: The_Chicken_Daddy

Quote:

Originally posted by DaMayor
I feel more tone overall, and my appearance might have changed ever so slightly (based on my wife's comments) but not that much. It'll take time.

Quit looking for changes so hard. And certainly not so soon.

Seriously, be skeptical - basically, say it's shite until it proves you wrong. So far we've established the appetite connection. Now we need to know if it'll help you drop the fat consistently over time. Which will take longer than a week.

Posted by: The_Chicken_Daddy

Quote:

Originally posted by DaMayor
Thinking Out Loud......

Y'know, after reading some of the feedback over at Avant, as illogical as it may seem, I've been having thoughts of dropping calories again. We're holding at around 1700-1800 right now......Ah, I don't know. Maybe I'll give it another week.

That's under 8kcals/lb.

If you look that up in the dictionary you'll be linked to the word "stupidity". At least for now.

Posted by: Pepper

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
That's under 8kcals/lb.

If you look that up in the dictionary you'll be linked to the word "stupidity". At least for now.

That's where I have been the last month or so. The "rule of thumb" for cals/lbs is pure BS if you ask me. Not saying that for others. If DaMayor is like me, he may have to go that low.

Posted by: The_Chicken_Daddy

I wasn't refering to rule of thumb.

I was refering to the fact that 1700kcals for a 236lb man is pretty much stupidity.

I'd never drop below about 10kcals, and even then i'd be pushing it. If it got so bad that fat loss stalled at that level then i'd take 1-2 weeks of dieting to reset my metabolism some.

Posted by: The_Chicken_Daddy

Jesus wouldn't drop below 10kcals/lb.

Posted by: Twin Peak

But the point is STOP FUCKING MAKING CHANGES until you give it a chance to work, or fail.

The IT, btw, is the diet, not the product.

Posted by: Pepper

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Jesus wouldn't drop below 10kcals/lb.

Do you have to get into pissing contests with EVERYBODY or just most everybody?

Posted by: Twin Peak

Pretty much everybody.

Posted by: The_Chicken_Daddy

Just the retards.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Which, compared to you, means everybody.

Posted by: DaMayor

Rob, take that immature shit somewhere else. If you want to contribute to the journal, fine. Otherwise, shut your pie hole.

Posted by: The_Chicken_Daddy

I see we're on the same page, Mr Peak. Good stuff.

Posted by: The_Chicken_Daddy

Quote:

Originally posted by DaMayor
Rob, take that immature shit somewhere else. If you want to contribute to the journal, fine. Otherwise, shut your pie hole.

Steady on, Timothy.

Since when have people started taking me seriously?

Posted by: CaptainDeadlift

No sign of DaMayor yet today. TP, is it possible to get a Leptigen hangover?

Posted by: The_Chicken_Daddy

He could be dead remember.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Fuck, that'd be the third one.

Posted by: The_Chicken_Daddy

Get Gopro as a tester ASAP.

Posted by: CaptainDeadlift

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Fuck, that'd be the third one.

Back to the drawing board on the formula, huh?

Posted by: nikegurl

nah - some mishaps are to be expected. lighten up people. 3 deaths isn't a huge percentage.

Posted by: The_Chicken_Daddy

Exactly, and it's only DaMayor for Christ's sake.

Posted by: dg806

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Get Gopro as a tester ASAP.

Posted by: DaMayor

Back to bidness......

Meal 1
1/2 cup oat bran
1 whole egg
2 whites
coffee x 2
MultiV & fish oil (no dose change)

1TBSP Laprtigen II

Meal 2
40z. chicken breast
1/2cup broccoli

Meal 3
40 grams protein

Meal 4
Missed (oops)

Meal 5
2cups chicken salad (white meat/light mayo)
1.5cups salad greens

Meal 6
22grams protein

Totals-
Calories:1578 ...Obviously too low, we'll increase tomorrow.

Posted by: DaMayor

As I recall, it was part of our verbal e-agreement that I not die.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Yeah. I just thought you didn't live up to your promise.

Posted by: DaMayor

Why, I'd never let a few grand mal seizures get in the way of my impending "buffness".

Other than the spasms in my right eye, I'm doing quite well, thank you.

Thanks for the concern, all.

Posted by: DaMayor

No significant changes today. Appetite is still minimal, if at all present. Diet remains the same, (as it did throughout the weekened) no change in weight since Friday.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Other than not dying, have you noticed any other effects? You are at 1800 kcals and have yet to lose a pound?

Posted by: butterfly

When exactly did you start the Leptigen???

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Other than not dying, have you noticed any other effects? You are at 1800 kcals and have yet to lose a pound?

Only a slight headache on occasion, usually after my a.m. dose. But I can't absolutely attribute this to the LeptiGen.
My starting stats indicated 236, but I think I was actually closer to 238. This past Friday I weighed 236 with clothes on....of course, if I were to strip they'd kick me out of the gym. (I've been re-calibrating the scale each time, via a visual check and by weighing a plate, just to be sure.)
I've been fluxuating between 238 and 236 for months.....I could easily void that much water.

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

Originally posted by butterfly
When exactly did you start the Leptigen???

July 24th.

Posted by: DaMayor

Day 13 of the LeptiGen II experience.......

Meal 1
1/2 cup oatbran
2 whole eggs
Coffee x2
Multi Vitamin
10 grams fish oil

1TBSP.LeptiGen

Meal 2
26 grams protein
1 small apple

Meal 3
1 cup chicken salad
1.5 cups mixed greens

Meal 4
40 grams protein
1/4 cup chicken salad

Meal 5
4 oz. chicken breast
1/2 cup broccoli
1/3 cup mozarella

Meal 6
52 grams protein

Totals-
Calories:2340 (over the top)
Protein:298
Fat:101
Carbs.:59

Posted by: DaMayor

No headache this a.m. , Bowels are 110% functional (just thought I'd share) and psych. affect is slightly flat, rather calm actually.

I am increasing my cardio from short warm ups/warm downs to 20-30 minutes x2 weekly for starters. Probably via the bike here at home, or eliptical (if the gym owner get it in on time) We'll get into some serious HIIT if this doesn't speed up fat loss.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Just thought you'd be interested in a recent account of LG use:

"I have been using Leptigen II for 1.5 weeks now. I am preparing for my second contest of the year. Here is my updates:
..............Start................1.5 Weeks
Weight....177...................175.5
Waist......30 1/8...............29 3/4
Bodyfat %..5.5.................4.5......(9-point caliper test)
Biceps.............................+1/4"

The increase on my biceps is awesome. They look much bigger than they did at the last show."

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

Originally posted by DaMayor
7/22/03

Quick Stats..

Re-measured 7/02/03

Male
Age:37
Height:5'-10"
Weight:236 >>>>This should have read 238...
BF%:Not Recorded
Chest:48.25
Neck:17
Waist:38.5
Thighs:26.5
Calves:17.25
Arms:17.25

Currently....

Weight 236
Chest:48.5"*
Neck:16.75"*
Waist:38.5"
Quads:25.5"*
Calves:17.25"
Arms:17.25

RE: your previous post:
Okay, while I can appreciate this person's acheivements, I don't quite follow your point in posting this.
Obviously, this person is already quite lean, a competitor, and due to their already high(er) percentage of lean mass would be more prone to have a faster metabolism.

What was this person's age? Type of diet? % deficit?

Posted by: Twin Peak

Not sure on the details, but you are quite right on some of your observations. Just throwing in some additional feedback for moral support, as this was the first piece of feedback I have seen that LG is doing anything other than suppressing hunger -- which someone asked about earlier in this journal.

I forgot you were keeping stats, and am glad you are doing so, as weight alone is not a good indicator as it is quite likely you will be gaining muscle throughout.

I have an interesting idea for a tweak for you, but I'd like you to hold steady for a full two weeks. If you think you still aren't seeing results, remind me, and we'll discuss it then.

Posted by: DaMayor

We'll do it.

Speaking of tweaks, I've notice that I have inadvertently allowed my carbohydrate intake to drop below the 20% I had been aiming for. (This might explain the headaches I've been having off and on.) Question is, would manipulating my macros within the same caloric range be detrimental in any way? (i.e., changing, or fluxuating from 50/30/20 to 55/35/10, or thereabouts, while still taking in 1800kcals per day)

Posted by: Twin Peak

Shouldn't be.

Posted by: butterfly

TP - you gonna spend this much time in my journal when I start the Leptigen???

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

Originally posted by butterfly
TP - you gonna spend this much time in my journal when I start the Leptigen???

No, 'cause you're not a Lab Rat.

I'll bug ya, if you need buggin'.

Good luck Madame B!

Posted by: butterfly

Glad someone cares, thanks DM

Posted by: Twin Peak

Way too much chatter in your journal. Unlike this one.

Posted by: butterfly

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Way too much chatter in your journal. Unlike this one.

and???

Posted by: DaMayor

Oh, I tried my first U-Turn bar the other day.....Whoooo Hoooo!
It was chocolaty, and peanut-ty.......Yum Yum Yum Yum Yum....

Oh! and there's a sale at GNC this week!

Chatty? What are you talking about TP?

Posted by: DaMayor

Alright, Notes O' the Day......

Headache came back after dose no 2. today....no way of connecting this as I said earlier...just thought I'd make a note of it.
I have noticed a slight increase in (ghost) hunger today. I've had a constant urge to snack on something...never determined what exactly. However, I think this is more of a psychological urge than anything else, because I had a tough time eating meal no.4, which was by far a substantial amount of nourishment. I suppose it is a sort of 'flashback' to pre-diet eating habits......maybe my feeble little brain is simply throwing out random behavioral impulses, shadows or imprints of previous behavior(s), because 'it' senses that something has changed. I don't know. Odd.
Along the same lines.......Last night I awoke at about 3:15am, and as I had done many times in the past, I stumbled into the kitchen, quitely removed a spoon from the drawer, grabbed the jar of peanut butter from the cabinet, removed the lid, and then stood there, staring at it....like a primate would ogle a PDA or something. I then put the lid back on the jar, returned the spoon, and stumbled back to bed.
Other than this, I need to increase my water intake dramatically, and get my fat ass back to the gym tomorrow..... Time to do a little plateau demolition.

Posted by: DaMayor

Hump day......for most folks.

Meal 1
1/3 cup(dry) oatmeal
4oz. chicken breast
Suppliments
10 grams fish oil

Meal 2
Big Ass cup of coffee....Yeah, I know.

1 TBSP. LeptiGen II (taken later than usual)

Meal 3
1 cup chicken salad
1 cup salad greens

Meal 4
Post w/o, 26 grams protein
10 grams fish oil

Meal 5
2 small tomatoes
1 cup chicken salad

Meal 6
EAS bar

1 TBSP LeptiGen

Totals-
Calories:1785
Protein:212 (low)
Fat:73
Carbs.:61

Posted by: Twin Peak

I have had similar "ghost" hunger as you call it. Then the smallest amount of food kills it.

Posted by: Jodi

Quote:

Originally posted by DaMayor
Alright, Notes O' the Day......

Headache came back after dose no 2. today....no way of connecting this as I said earlier...just thought I'd make a note of it.
I have noticed a slight increase in (ghost) hunger today. I've had a constant urge to snack on something...never determined what exactly. However, I think this is more of a psychological urge than anything else, because I had a tough time eating meal no.4, which was by far a substantial amount of nourishment. I suppose it is a sort of 'flashback' to pre-diet eating habits......maybe my feeble little brain is simply throwing out random behavioral impulses, shadows or imprints of previous behavior(s), because 'it' senses that something has changed. I don't know. Odd.
Along the same lines.......Last night I awoke at about 3:15am, and as I had done many times in the past, I stumbled into the kitchen, quitely removed a spoon from the drawer, grabbed the jar of peanut butter from the cabinet, removed the lid, and then stood there, staring at it....like a primate would ogle a PDA or something. I then put the lid back on the jar, returned the spoon, and stumbled back to bed.
Other than this, I need to increase my water intake dramatically, and get my fat ass back to the gym tomorrow..... Time to do a little plateau demolition.

OMG - I geot the same headache. I was thinking about it being from the Leptigen but I wasn't sure. Its very faint and slight and ususally goes away in an hour. I have been making sure I take my minerals everynight because I get water headaches if I don't. I have also experienced this ghost hunger but its not bad at all.

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

Originally posted by Jodi
OMG - I geot the same headache. I was thinking about it being from the Leptigen but I wasn't sure. Its very faint and slight and ususally goes away in an hour. I have been making sure I take my minerals everynight because I get water headaches if I don't. I have also experienced this ghost hunger but its not bad at all.

Yeah, it is very slight. Initially I thought it was stress related, but because it occurred semi-consitently post taking the Lep II, I believe it might be connected somehow. Maybe the synephrine? Slightly elevated BP? I don't know. I might be cracking up.

TP, you're right. Usually, a single teaspoon, or a bite of something stops this hunger dead in it's tracks.

Posted by: Pepper

What is "ghost hunger?"

Posted by: DaMayor

Hey, if you can't keep up with the technical terms in this journal, I'm going to have to ask you to leave.

Ask Rob, maybe he can explain it to you.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Hunger experienced by ghosts.

Or, just an odd sense of hunger, but you know it isn't actually there.

Posted by: The_Chicken_Daddy

Wrong on both accounts.

It's when you get hungry and want to eat a ghost.

But can i recommend the chicken sandwich?

Posted by: DaMayor

I prefer the Paranormal Pâté myself.

I am ashamed to say that I missed my workout today....shame shame. I got a bit side tracked in my shop/studio working on some pieces (that might actually sell) for our local gallery.

Lean is cool, except when it involves one's wallet.

Posted by: DaMayor

Today's Menu.....

Meal 1
1/2 serving oat bran
1 whole egg
3 whites
coffee x2
Supp.'s
10 grams fish oil

Meal 2
1/2 cup chicken salad
1 cup salad greens

Meal 3
20 grams protein
1/4 cup chicken salad

Meal 4
20 grams protein

Meal 5
1 lg. bell pepper
6 oz. lean ground beef (80%)
1/4 cup mozzarella
1/4 brown rice

Meal 6

I've been to busy today to eat properly......we'll square things up tomorrow.

Posted by: dg806

Quote:

Originally posted by Jodi
I have been making sure I take my minerals everynight because I get water headaches if I don't.

Ok...............new one on me! Care to elaborate on this for me Jodi?

Posted by: Pepper

Quote:

Originally posted by dg806
Ok...............new one on me! Care to elaborate on this for me Jodi?

I read Jodi on this before. The amount of water she drinks flushes her body of minerals. Can get a headache from this if do not supplement with a good multi-mineral.

Posted by: DaMayor

Notes, comments. observations and misc. banter.......

Roughly two and a half hours after my a.m. dose of LeptiGen, my old buddy Mr. Headache showed up. Still very slight.....seems to come and go. I believe I might get used to this after a while.
On the other hand, I have noticed a mild amount of discomfort in the old stomach. This has gone on for about two days, and is really more of an overall "queezy" feeling. Similar to the feeling one (or I) gets when he/she has missed meals, and their blood sugar drops. Sort of a "bottomed out" feeling. Now, this might be stress related.......or it might be Robboe's humor.....we may never know.

Posted by: DaMayor

And a question.....
I know I'm probably way off on this, but what the hell, I'm askin' anyway.
I've been wondering about the proper doseage of Lep II....just in general. Question is, is it possible to take too much?
My concern lies mainly with those at or exceeding 20%BF.
In other words, normally, (in very general terms) the body sends any "surplus" to fat stores, correct? So, if an individual were to take too much LeptiGen, would this in turn create an overly amplified "fed signal", thereby causing the nutrients consumed (even at what would normally be considered a "deficit") to be converted to fat?
Just thinking aloud.......

Posted by: Jodi

Quote:

Originally posted by Pepper
I read Jodi on this before. The amount of water she drinks flushes her body of minerals. Can get a headache from this if do not supplement with a good multi-mineral.

Right on Pepper and trust me if I don't take my vitamins and minerals every day I feel it and I get the water headaches. I drink almost 2 gallons a day.

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

Originally posted by Jodi

Right on Pepper and trust me if I don't take my vitamins and minerals every day I feel it and I get the water headaches. I drink almost 2 gallons a day.

"Water Headaches", "Ghost Hunger".......We're coining some pretty cool phrases here in the old LeptiGen II journal!

Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:

Originally posted by DaMayor
And a question.....
I know I'm probably way off on this, but what the hell, I'm askin' anyway.
I've been wondering about the proper doseage of Lep II....just in general. Question is, is it possible to take too much?
My concern lies mainly with those at or exceeding 20%BF.
In other words, normally, (in very general terms) the body sends any "surplus" to fat stores, correct? So, if an individual were to take too much LeptiGen, would this in turn create an overly amplified "fed signal", thereby causing the nutrients consumed (even at what would normally be considered a "deficit") to be converted to fat?
Just thinking aloud.......

Posted by: butterfly

My Leptigen arrived today... does it matter what kind of drink you mix it with???

Posted by: DaMayor

Most are using Crystal light, kool aid, etc. I initially just mixed it with water, but this isn't adviseable.

I would suggest something citrus. Right now I'm using orange strawberry crystal light, and it seems to do well.

Good Luck!

Posted by: Twin Peak

Go with DM, citrus sugar free drinks are best.

Posted by: butterfly

What about the Isopure RTD Alpine Punch flavor???

Posted by: DaMayor

Cool with me.

I believe Gopro asked a similar question in the "LeptiGen Hath Arrived" thread......According to Tkarrde, it should be okay with protein drinks.

Posted by: butterfly

Great thanks! I'm starting it in the morning

Posted by: DaMayor

Like you need it.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Try it and see. But when dieting leptigen is best used BETWEEN meals, as this is when leptigen singaling is lowest.

Posted by: butterfly

So I should have it when? In between meal 1 & 2 then between meal 2 & 3 and so on???

Posted by: Twin Peak

Yep.

Posted by: butterfly

K

Can you answer my thread in Open Chat on teen drinking...

Posted by: Twin Peak

Apparently not, since i can't find it.

Posted by: butterfly

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...164#post390164

Posted by: DaMayor

Today's meals......

Same as yesterday's.

Posted by: DaMayor

Tomorrow's meals....

Same as yesterday.

Posted by: DaMayor

Sunday's meals.....

Same as Saturday's.

Posted by: butterfly

I tried mixing 2tbls with 10 fl oz of Isopure RTD Alpine Punch and it foamed up so much I couldn't drink it!!!

How do you mix yours? Do you jest stir it in and drink the clumps of stuff that didn't dissolve???

Posted by: DaMayor

Yep, that is pretty much par for the course. I usually add the Lep first, then the crystal light, or whatever, and then stir it slowly for a good minute or so. You will still have a few "floaters", but they aren't that bad.
I usually just tip it back like a shot of whiskey anyway.....

Posted by: The_Chicken_Daddy

What does it taste like alone?

When it try it, i'll probably just take it off the spoon.

Posted by: butterfly

I've only tried it in a drink... Fade says it's a salty sour taste and he might down 1 tbls but any more then that he'd definitely put it in a drink.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Why would anyone use more than a single TBSP at a time?

Posted by: butterfly

I totally mis-read the label... it says 2 tbls per DAY

So I should be splitting up the amount into 3rds huh?

Posted by: Twin Peak

Decide your daily dosage. Take 1 TBSP at a time. Between meals.

Use the label as a starting point; inrease dosage the further below your set-point you are.

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