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Posted by: oaktownboy

I was wondering if anyone would recommend taking r-ala. Right now I'm bulking and eat a ton of carbs after my workout and was wondering if ala could be used to help create an insulin spike.

I've talked to several people about this and they've all had separate opinions. Some say insulin spikes aren't good, others disagree? what da thinkl?

Posted by: J'Bo

ummm forgive me if i am wrong here....but isnt ala taken to stop insulin spikes

Posted by: gopro

More correctly stated, ALA will assist insulin in its action by raising cells sensitivity to its actions.

Posted by: oaktownboy

so is insulin spike good or bad?

Posted by: gopro

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Originally posted by oaktownboy
so is insulin spike good or bad?

Depends on its timing! Great post workout...not so great at other times of day.

Posted by: oaktownboy

thanks a ton dawg

Posted by: OceanDude

But as gopro indicated insulin sensitivity is a different thing really. In general its good to have improved insulin sensitivity since less insulin will be needed to process glucose/sugar and that means it will not have to get as high and possibly NOT signal fat burning to turn off. In general resistance training increases insulin sensitivity all by its self (good news). There is some study that suggests that chromium picoliate also helps but some refute it...

Posted by: gopro

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Originally posted by gopro
More correctly stated, ALA will assist insulin in its action by raising cells sensitivity to its actions.

I should also mention that ALA is thought of as a "nutrient partitioning agent," or substance that will help shuttle nutrients toward muscle cells and away from fat cells. This is a very important effect.

Posted by: J'Bo

yes and i like that fact....how much would you suggest taking before a carb up?

Posted by: dg806

R-ALA is the better form to take. R-lipoic acid is the biologically active form of alpha lipoic acid. It has been called the mitochondrial antioxidant because it is a key component of mitochondrial dehydrogenase complexes. R-lipoic acid is directly involved in cell metabolism and redox states. R-lipoic acid crosses the blood brain barrier, and helps regulate neuronal calcium homeostasis, scavenges a variety of reactive oxygen species (ROS) while recycling vitamins C, E and glutathione. R-lipoic acid has been shown to regulate pro-inflammatory cytokines, and alter the expression of "toxic genes". R-lipoic acid has been used to treat diabetes and has been recommended as a "neuroprotective agent".
There are at least four good reasons to take R-ala. First, as we age, our bodies lose the ability to synthesize enough Lipoic acid, right at the time when we most need it. Secondly, you cannot get sufficient quantities from your foods. Third, the body produces small amounts of R-Lipoic acid for metabolism that may not be of sufficient quantity to neutralize rising free radical concentrations. Fourth, a minimum amount is necessary for normal metabolic processes. Taking larger amounts, can have pronounced therapeutic effects.
Remember, alpha lipoic acid is contains 50% of the natural R-form and 50% of the unnatural S-form. Most of the therapeutic value lies in the R-form.

Posted by: oaktownboy

so how much would u recommend taking dg?

Posted by: dg806

300mg will suffice nicely!

Posted by: gopro

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Originally posted by J'Bo
yes and i like that fact....how much would you suggest taking before a carb up?

200 mg 3 x per day is a good start. Speaking of this, SAN puts out an awesome product called Loaded with several very good insulinogenic agents in it!

Posted by: OceanDude

I think I jsut may try the R form of ALA now that I have used up all my last batch of suppliments. Anyone recommend a good brand?

Also, Gopro, have you heard of any sort of aromatase inhibitors. I probably got the spelling wrong but I am told as we age estrogen can really screw up our growth potential and older guys should look into this kind of suplimentation.

Posted by: gopro

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Originally posted by OceanDude
I think I jsut may try the R form of ALA now that I have used up all my last batch of suppliments. Anyone recommend a good brand?

Also, Gopro, have you heard of any sort of aromatase inhibitors. I probably got the spelling wrong but I am told as we age estrogen can really screw up our growth potential and older guys should look into this kind of suplimentation.

Sure, Aromadex by VPX for one, and 6-OXO from Ergopharm. They both will inhibit aromatization and boost natural test levels.

Posted by: Tha Don

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Originally posted by dg806
300mg will suffice nicely!

i've ordered some caps of this but they are 500mg per cap

when should i take them?

i'm assuming i should take one with my afternoon meal (probably my biggest meal about 1hr30 before my workouts) and 1 with my PWO shake?

that would be 1000mg for the day, that sound alright?

peace

Posted by: Power Rabbit

Hmm...I hear ALA shines when your jabbing slin(if taken right)...but its dangerous

Posted by: prolangtum

Most generally use 100mgs of r-ALA per 50g of carbs. Some people think that it should be taken 20 minutes prior to carb meals, although Im not sure it makes a difference than if taken just prior to the meal.

Posted by: once was fat

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Originally posted by Power Rabbit
Hmm...I hear ALA shines when your jabbing slin(if taken right)...but its dangerous

What dose this mean. What is dangerous about it.

Posted by: gopro

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Originally posted by once was fat
What dose this mean. What is dangerous about it.

Don't worry about it...nobody around here should be messing with insulin anyway...not unless you are already and IFBB pro or on the brink of it (and maybe not even then).

Posted by: once was fat

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Originally posted by gopro
Don't worry about it...nobody around here should be messing with insulin anyway...not unless you are already and IFBB pro or on the brink of it (and maybe not even then).

The reason why I asked is I just ordered a bottle of r-ala yesterday from 1fast. I read a few things on r-ala and it seemed to be a great supp to add. So is r-ala dangerous?

Posted by: Tha Don

hey, can anyone answer me?

my caps are in 500mg doses, so what time of day should i take them? with what meals?

help me out someone! rabbit??!

peace

Posted by: tomas101

first off lol@youg d...second..i think the aromadex is 10x better than 6oxo...for some reason pills dont work well on me...liquid forms seem to work alot better and quicker....but the aromadex bust my shoulders out with small bumps for like 2 weeks then go away...

Posted by: Dale Mabry

R-ala is not dangerous, using it with insulin injections may be.

young D, I would imagine you have the racemic version, not R-ala if it is in that dosage. Next time try to get the R isomer, but until then, I would say 200mg before 3 different meals containing carbs is sufficient for what you have. I have no idea how you would split the dosage if you have caps, but I guess you could empty the caps and dissolve them in a solution nad break it up that way.

Posted by: tomas101

so with the r-ala you would say only after postworkout?? and shouldnt it only be taken when eating your highest carb meals? or do u do what gopro said and take 200 mg 3 x per day..which is the best way?

Posted by: Dale Mabry

I take 100mg 3 times a day with meals, but I respond well to it. you should assess your tolerance and then go from there, so start with 100mg 3 times a day and see how it goes.

Posted by: tomas101

so this way is better than taking more just after a postworkout?

Posted by: tomas101

would it be ok to take dextrose/protein shake and r-ala together after post workout

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