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Posted by: dg806

Do you think same sex marriages should be banned or allowed?
Vote and voice your opinion~

Posted by: MtnBikerChk

I heard on the radio this am that Rosie is starting a new travel company and she is plannning an all alternative lifestyle famliy type cruise on Norweigan cruise lines.

Interesting.

Posted by: ponyboy

I have no problem with same sex marriages. Whomever you choose to care about is whomever you choose to care about.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally posted by ponyboy
I have no problem with same sex marriages. Whomever you choose to care about is whomever you choose to care about.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Posted by: Dero

I say,"LET THEM GET MARRIED!!"
Up here in Canada the Pope is urging the catholic politicians to vote against same sex marriages,he says "it's their moral OBLIGATION to prevent this from happening."
That's trouble if you ask me,the religious folks getting together with the politicians.

He reffers to some age old rule/law that according to them,it's not moral to have a child raised by two person of the same sex.
I have gay friends that are EXAMPLORY PARENTS(spelling?) and they are far better at parenting then some other friends that are considered "normal"(because they are of different sex

)
When the politicians and the religious folks get involved into other people's domistic ways of living,I say that's when we get into trouble...
What's next???The pope does not like oral sex,therefore it will be banned????
When these people "IN POWER" start thinking for other folks I say " it's time for them to take a long walk on a short pier!!!"
I think you all know what I really mean,but some people might get offended by it!

My 2 cents.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

What the fuck does the pope know?

Posted by: naturaltan

I'll agree with Dero, nicely stated!

Posted by: ponyboy

That could be a good t-shirt slogan...kind of like Bo Knows from back in the eighties...

"Pope knows...bigotry"

"Pope knows...intolerance"

"Pope knows...manipulation"

Any ideas? I think it's a marketing dream!

Posted by: Dero

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Originally posted by I Are Baboon
What the fuck does the pope know?

Don't get me started on dat 'boon!!!

Posted by: Mudge

I may not understand it, but I think we should have the freedom to live our own lives, and trying to make laws in the bedroom seems ridiculous.

Some of the gay people I work with are 'better' people that most of the straight folks here.

Posted by: Dero

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Originally posted by Mudge
I may not understand it, but I think we should have the freedom to live our own lives, and trying to make laws in the bedroom seems ridiculous.

Only ONE law for the bedroom,"ENJOY IT."

Posted by: Mudge

I think being "gay" is genetic, not some decision, thats another thing I think is ridiculous. Who wakes up one day and decides they want to get beat down in the streets and bang guys on purpose? Its genetic IMO, I think its funny to think anyone would just decide out of the blue.

Just so my "I dont understand it" thing wasn't misinterpreted

I view myself as somewhat conservative on many issues, but is not conservatism not sticking your finger in someone elses eye socket? Letting them live thier own lives? Its funny how liberals dont liberate and conservatives want to shove their dong down your throat these days.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally posted by Dero
Don't get me started on dat 'boon!!!

You don't have to say anything. Let people read for themselves.

Catholic church supporting intolerance and non-acceptance of gays.

Posted by: ponyboy

That is a prime example of why I think organized religion is a crock.

Posted by: dg806

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Originally posted by Mudge
I think being "gay" is genetic,

IMO that is just an excuse to do it.

Posted by: Mudge

Religion is not a crock, the people that run it, and distort it - is what makes it a crock.

Otherwise we would have perhaps one religion for each peoples yes? Instead people re-write laws, formulate opinions, and split off and create thier own sect of the previous religion they came from. Some of it is simply different interpretation of the bible, but ultimately I view it as mankind muddying the waters because we are emotional, dimwitted, thoughtless creatures.

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally posted by dg806
IMO that is just an excuse to do it.

Huh?

This is not murder were talking about, if you are attracted to a man, you are - if you are attracted to a woman with a certain look, then thats just the way it is.

Are we not here to live of our own free will? To do as we see fit, and be judged in the afterlife? Should I be slaughtered for my beliefs? Is there seperation of church and state, or is this a myth?

If I am not hurting anyone because I prefer dark haired women, then what is the big deal?

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally posted by dg806
IMO that is just an excuse to do it.

Then genetics is just your excuse for being straight.

Do you honestly think homosexuality is one's choice?

Posted by: ponyboy

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Originally posted by Mudge
Religion is not a crock, the people that run it, and distort it - is what makes it a crock.

Otherwise we would have perhaps one religion for each peoples yes? Instead people re-write laws, formulate opinions, and split off and create thier own sect of the previous religion they came from. Some of it is simply different interpretation of the bible, but ultimately I view it as mankind muddying the waters because we are emotional, dimwitted, thoughtless creatures.

I'm interested to hear the opinions of those who voted against it.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally posted by ponyboy

I'm interested to hear the opinions of those who voted against it.

I am guessing they all consider themselves "religious." Every argument I have heard against gay marriage centers around what is "moral", and those ideas are religion-based.

Posted by: Mudge

You guys know what really gets me, is men who want to beat and kill "faggots," but being a lesbian is OK and in fact do it in front of me please! Unless they are butch dikes then we can kill them too

Hypocrites.

Posted by: Jenny

I'm all for it. Love is love in whatever form. They should have the same rights as anyone else.

And dg, please explain what you mean by that comment. Excuse? Er, I think you got it all wrong..

Posted by: naturaltan

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Originally posted by Jenny
And dg, please explain what you mean by that comment. Excuse? Er, I think you got it all wrong..

we hope we misunderstood ...

Posted by: Jenny

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Originally posted by Mudge
You guys know what really gets me, is men who want to beat and kill "faggots," but being a lesbian is OK and in fact do it in front of me please! Unless they are butch dikes then we can kill them too

Hypocrites.

Exactly! I think men doing that and some men who are really homophobic might have some kind of feelings that they don't want to explore..

So, they pretend it doesn't exist and tries to destroy it by abusing people belonging to that "community".

Not calling anyone gay here, so don't even go there..

Posted by: brennan

oh God, religion discussions never go anywhere...but i'll throw in my 2 cents...i do also believe bein gay is genetic...who would choose to be? especially wit all the shit that gay people seem to have to go thru...and its not "natural" (not tryin to be rude on this point) but its not...but i have no problem wit it and if they want to be married then all the power to them...i dont know why other people feel threatened by it...thats my take

Posted by: bludevil

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Originally posted by I Are Baboon
I am guessing they all consider themselves "religious." Every argument I have heard against gay marriage centers around what is "moral", and those ideas are religion-based.

Exactly why I voted against gay marriage. I'm totally conservative, and southern baptist. The bible states that gay marriages are forbidden so that's what I think and believe.

Posted by: dg806

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Originally posted by I Are Baboon

Then genetics is just your excuse for being straight.

Do you honestly think homosexuality is one's choice?

Absolutely!
Or should I say learned lifestyle?

Posted by: Pepper

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Originally posted by bludevil
Exactly why I voted against gay marriage. I'm totally conservative, and southern baptist. The bible states that gay marriages are forbidden so that's what I think and believe.

Careful, it seems the crowd is tolerant of just about everything EXCEPT someone who believes homosexuality is not genetic or has a belief in the Bible.

Posted by: naturaltan

DUCK ... it's starting all over again.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally posted by Pepper
Careful, it seems the crowd is tolerant of just about everything EXCEPT someone who believes homosexuality is not genetic or has a belief in the Bible.

That's the way to take words and shove them into people's mouths!

Posted by: Prince

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Originally posted by ponyboy
I have no problem with same sex marriages. Whomever you choose to care about is whomever you choose to care about.

I do. Only males and females should be allowed to get married.

I am a pretty liberal person, but I have always had issues with homosexuals.

and don't give that Freudian bullshit that I have repressed homosexual tendancies either.

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally posted by Pepper
Careful, it seems the crowd is tolerant of just about everything EXCEPT someone who believes homosexuality is not genetic or has a belief in the Bible.

I have no problems with it, you seem to feel that you are being attacked when this is merely a discussion?

If this is a country based on freedom, why do we feel the need to regulate what goes on in the bedrooms of America? Since the natives were damn near wiped out, we may as well enjoy this freedom.

If you look at the poll, you are hardly a minority thinker it would appear.

Posted by: Pepper

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Originally posted by naturaltan
DUCK ... it's starting all over again.

No...at least I hope it isn't.

I am personally very conflicted about homosexuality. I have homosexual friends and I discuss this issue with them often.

I can be very goods friends with them, hire them, be business partners with them, accept them in every way possible but then say "I have religious issues with homosexuality" and get blasted for being intolerant. I assure you, I am not intolerant of homosexuals.

As for putting words in people's mouths...read what was said about the Pope. I also read someone saying they hoped DG was misinterpretted b/c he dared to say he did not think it is genetic.

Posted by: Pepper

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Originally posted by Mudge
I have no problems with it, you seem to feel that you are being attacked when this is merely a discussion?

If this is a country based on freedom, why do we feel the need to regulate what goes on in the bedrooms of America? Since the natives were damn near wiped out, we may as well enjoy this freedom.

If you look at the poll, you are hardly a minority thinker it would appear.

Acually, I don't think anyone is being attacked, except maybe the Pope.

I just believe, in general, stating a religious objection to homosexuality will usually get you labled a homophobe or an intolerant asshole.

Sorry, not really aiming that at anyone here.

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally posted by Pepper
I can be very goods friends with them, hire them, be business partners with them, accept them in every way possible but then say "I have religious issues with homosexuality" and get blasted for being intolerant. I assure you, I am not intolerant of homosexuals.

That sounds fine to me, we have opinions, and you obviously are not a jackass about it, so I can see where you are coming from

Posted by: naturaltan

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Originally posted by Prince
I am a pretty liberal person, but I have always had issues with homosexuals.

Would you befriend a homosexual?

What issues do you have other than you feel that same sex marriages shouldn't happen?

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Seems to me that only one person here opposes gay marriage for reasons that are not religious. Just an observation.

Posted by: Prince

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Originally posted by naturaltan
Would you befriend a homosexual?

sure, I did not mean it that way. I meant I have always had issues with their way of living, just don't agree with it, but I do not hate them or anything.

Posted by: Jodi

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Originally posted by Dero
I say,"LET THEM GET MARRIED!!"
Up here in Canada the Pope is urging the catholic politicians to vote against same sex marriages,he says "it's their moral OBLIGATION to prevent this from happening."
That's trouble if you ask me,the religious folks getting together with the politicians.

Right there with ya!

Posted by: Jodi

Oh and I also want to add that if we (general public) started treating homosexuals as "normal" (as if there is such a thing) then maybe we wouldn't have all these racists issues.

Did anyone here about the Gay and Lesbian PUBLIC School in NY. This is all because they fell outcasted. Now I don't agree with the school cuz I find it to be another racist excuse but as an example that if we treated them as we do heterosexuals than there wouldn't be such and outcry for something like this. JMHO!

Posted by: Prince

it's not a "race" issue though.

Posted by: naturaltan

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Originally posted by Prince
sure, I did not mean it that way. I meant I have always had issues with their way of living, just don't agree with it, but I do not hate them or anything.

I thought so, but when reading it, it's hard to know what someone actually thinks.

Posted by: Jodi

Ok, racist not racial per say.

Then use the word prejudice. Regarless they are similar meanings.

Posted by: Mudge

Race though attempts to pertain to a "group" of people based on origin, although I prefer to view us as the human race.

I think the school is probably going to get bombed, and shot up a few times, if they dont they will be lucky. Its obviously calling attention to itself by letting people know where they are all going to be.

Posted by: Prince

not really,

racist = Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

race = A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution.

Posted by: Jodi

Does it freakin matter now

I said use the word prejudice

Posted by: Pepper

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Originally posted by Jodi
Ok, racist not racial per say.

Then use the word prejudice. Regarless they are similar meanings.

Let me ask you this...Do you think that people (all of us) should except every lifestyle? I am asking b/c it just seems to me at some point people have to be allowed to choose who they wish to associate with.

I make decisions about people all the time based on their behavior. Am I not allowed to do so? I am troubled by this issue b/c I do think that two people just trying to be happy and not bothering anyone should be left alone to do what they want. However, if I don't want to accept that lifestyle, I too should be left alone.

And, can I accept homosexualityand respect homosexuals but say I think it is wrong? I think I can. Many do not.

Posted by: Mudge

Someone is always going to have a problem with how someone else lives thier life. Like again the eskimo example, eskimo mothers sometimes beat thier newborns to death upon birth, simply because of food concerns. Now for many people in other areas of the world, this is shocking and inhuman, but it is part of thier culture.

I can see that as being wrong, and hard to accept. But do I really care who John sticks his prick into, as long as the other person wants it too? No I really dont.

Posted by: Jodi

Accept - No, I don't think that we need to accept every lifestyle, but as long as it is not hurting me in any way why should I discriminate. I have homosexual friends and they leave me out of their lifestyle. Why should we care if 2 homosexuals want to get married? What harm is that causing?

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I make decisions about people all the time based on their behavior. Am I not allowed to do so? I am troubled by this issue b/c I do think that two people just trying to be happy and not bothering anyone should be left alone to do what they want. However, if I don't want to accept that lifestyle, I too should be left alone.

I agree

Posted by: RCfootball87

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Originally posted by I Are Baboon
Do you honestly think homosexuality is one's choice?

Absolutely! Take a look at the human bodies sexual organs. Hmm.... things seem to fit together pretty good between a man and a woman, on the other hand a man and a man doesn't fit. If God intended for their to be homosexual unions then why can't homosexuals or lesbians reproduce together? I beleive homoesexuality is perverted, sad, and morally and physically just wrong. I wouldn't want to shower up after practice if there was a homosexualy in there! Imagine what would happen to me if I walked into the girls shower room in the raw! I don't care what kind of kinky shit you wanna do in your home, but I don't need/want to hear about it. Honestly, I believe the worst thing possible out of all of this is that they actaully let couples that are same sex adopt children! People seem to think that the younger generation has some kind of new tolerance level that other generations didn't. I'm telling you, if you had gay adopted parents, and kids in your high school found out about it, you would be neglected, mocked, beaten, laughed at, ostricised, and maybe even driven to suicide. If my parents were gay I'd either kill them or ask for foster care. I feel terribly sorry for any child who has to grow up with gay adopted guardians. They could be great "parents" but it still wouldn't matter, the kid won't be happy. Our culture is spiraling more and more immoral, what's next, human/animal marriages?

Posted by: Jodi

Here we go with the "god" thing again.

Your the same kid that thinks women should belong in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant living the 50's lifestyle arn't you?

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally posted by Jodi

Here we go with the "god" thing again.

Like I said, only one person opposes this with a non-religious view.

Posted by: RCfootball87

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Originally posted by Jodi

Here we go with the "god" thing again.

Your the same kid that thinks women should belong in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant living the 50's lifestyle arn't you?

The bulk of my post didn't have to do with God, I'm not preaching at anyone. But if you want to ignore the obvious which is that I'm right that kids will be openly mocked in a high school situation with gay parents so you can steer the discusion towards whether God exists or not, go ahead, but I don't want anything to do with anymore internet religous debates.

Posted by: Jodi

This is not a religious debate and nor should it be.

Kids being mocked should not happen either. Its prejudice. Their gay parents aren't harming them. As a matter of fact most children with gay parents are straight so its not harming the child or forcing the child into becoming homosexual either.

Posted by: david

I think people have what is called freedom of choice!

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally posted by RCfootball87
If my parents were gay I'd either kill them or ask for foster care.

No offense bro, but a comment like that makes you look like a real tool. I can see that being a problem too, but killing your parents because of that? Are you really that psychotic? Do you need someone to get you some help with your anger management issues?

Posted by: RCfootball87

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Originally posted by I Are Baboon

Like I said, only one person opposes this with a non-religious view.

If I always wore black and sacrificed goats to the paegan gods, I'd still oppose homosexuality

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally posted by RCfootball87
But if you want to ignore the obvious which is that I'm right that kids will be openly mocked in a high school situation with gay parents

Yes that is quite likely, but why do you bring it to the table as if that is the sole reason we should dissallow things?

We should not let black folks eat at our tables because some people are going to be offended, and then make fun of the black man and possibly beat him up or lynch him. Therefore we should stick our heads up our asses and continue on with the usual.

Posted by: RCfootball87

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Originally posted by david
I think people have what is called freedom of choice!

I do to, but choose in your home, not in the wedding chapel.

Posted by: RCfootball87

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Originally posted by Mudge
No offense bro, but a comment like that makes you look like a real tool. I can see that being a problem too, but killing your parents because of that? Are you really that psychotic? Do you need someone to get you some help with your anger management issues?

I was exaggerating, I wouldn't kill them, but I would most definetly be asked for different guardians.

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally posted by RCfootball87
I do to, but choose in your home, not in the wedding chapel.

Hiding in your home, is not freedom.

Posted by: RCfootball87

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Originally posted by Mudge
Yes that is quite likely, but why do you bring it to the table as if that is the sole reason we should dissallow things?

We should not let black folks eat at our tables because some people are going to be offended, and then make fun of the black man and possibly beat him up or lynch him. Therefore we should stick our heads up our asses and continue on with the usual.

I didn't say we shouldn't let gay people eat at our table. I have no problem talking to a gay person or eating with him, but there's no reason to force anyone to go through that kind of mocking and ridicule and isolation when they can't do anything about it and none of it was there fault.

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally posted by RCfootball87
I was exaggerating, I wouldn't kill them, but I would most definetly be asked for different guardians.

I dont know all there is to know about life, but going overboard with comments doesn't often help the discussion at all, facts facts facts, not bull.

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally posted by RCfootball87
I have no problem talking to a gay person or eating with him, but there's no reason to force anyone to go through that kind of mocking and ridicule and isolation when they can't do anything about it and none of it was there fault.

No child is forced to living in a foster home unless he or she is unfortunately caught in a corrupted system. There have been plenty of cases where children have been hurt in bad homes, and were not listened to, but when a child meets two men and if they dont like it then they wont go, period.

Is there not such a thing as realizing that the people doing the ridiculing are those that are in need of help? Should I hate my parents for making me white and that causing me problems with harrasment? Should I hate my dad for teaching me a moral life and making me a boring person who doesn't want to fuck every girl I see? I dont want to do every drug I hear about? I dont want to get wasted with my "friends" every weekend?

How about pointing the blame towards the people who are lacking brain activity, instead of pointing the finger at the people that care about you. You are still quite young, and I may have thought the same thing at one point myself, but I see your thinking as young and narrow minded.

Posted by: RCfootball87

Why do you all think I rarely chime in on political issues on this board, I get chastized everytime I do. Everyone can tolerate gay people but no one can tolerate not tolerating tolerance. do what you preach, and tolerate my political views. I'm done with this thread, it's getting kind of gay.

Posted by: Mudge

Its a discussion bro, thats what we are doing, exchanging ideas.

This is why I dont like when women run away from the issue with "I dont want to talk about it," If you want to solve problems, you talk about things. Obviously not all women are like this, just the ones I've been with

If you are a slave to your emotions, you have enslaved yourself.

Posted by: y2gt

I'm kind of stuck in the middle of both sides of the argument. I'm not sure what to think because i have mixed feelings....I mean who knows what's right from wrong....Nobody does! Who decides what is right and what is wrong...

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The bible states that gay marriages are forbidden so that's what I think and believe

....I'm not trying to flame or anything but read that statement again slowly and can you honestly tell me you believe every word of the bible! How can you possibly think the bible is completely right.

I have a strong belief and education in science, and there is a ton of scientific evidence that proves religion (I'm gonna say Christianity, because that's the religion i know) wrong. I need proof to believe in something...Have you ever seen God in person and tell you that his religion is the way to heaven...i didn't think so.

The Pope is like 90...you really think he's up to date on society and popular beliefs and changing times. It's like those speaches you used to get from your grandpa..."when i was a boy...bla bla bla..." Times Change, So should "THE RULES"!!

Back to the gay thing.....The biggest problem i have with gays and lesbians is when they have to flaunt their sexuality like putting a rainbow flag on their car's bumper...do i really need to know that your gay?? That also applies to those dumb-ass nationality flags, bumper stickers and reflectors. Do i really care that your from puerto rico or italy?....By the way, your an AMERICAN, there should be an American flag hanging off your rear view mirror!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Jodi

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Why do you all think I rarely chime in on political issues on this board, I get chastized everytime I do.

Like I said, you still think women should be living the 50's lifestyle. You do it to yourself and after the comments I've seen from you in this thread, I think you need help. Just my opinion of course

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally posted by y2gt
The Pope is like 90...you really think he's up to date on society and popular beliefs and changing times.

How about you think about what you just said

Morality changes with the time? Will murder be ok in the next 200 years? If anything this would be something the religious community is going to use to say that we have strayed from the path, do you think that we should re-write the bible because we feel like doing different things as time goes on? Not when they supposedly come from God.

Posted by: mda1125

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Originally posted by RCfootball87
Absolutely!

So if homosexuality is a choice, when did you choose to like girls over boys? What age did you think.. I think I wanna go to the dance with Sally rather then my best buddy Ron.

Can you go further and say that on Wednesday I will be gay.. it's trendy.. half priced drinks for couples.. but on the rest of the days I'll be straight?

It is trendy in some cities to be gay. It sells clothes. Money to be made. I heard they even have a new classification of man

Metrosexual
A non-gay man who looks gay but isn't gay.

Posted by: Mudge

Especially when best buddy Ron is do damn hot, like Hansel hot

Posted by: RCfootball87

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Originally posted by Jodi
Like I said, you still think women should be living the 50's lifestyle. You do it to yourself and after the comments I've seen from you in this thread, I think you need help. Just my opinion of course

You know what Jodi, your shit is getting really old. Define this "50's lifestyle" you keep talkin about? It's wrong that I think people should care about their kids? I'm old fashioned cause I think people should sacrifice their two 50,000 SUV's and so they can stay home and raise their kids? I understand that most people can't stay home with their kids, but most parents these days don't care half as much as they should about kids. IMO if/when you decide to become parents you are making and 18 year emotional financial and time consuming commitment, tough luck. I blame the incredible rise in child obesity on parents neglect. Either give me an argument or quit accusing me of beleiving in some term you pulled out of your ass.

Posted by: RCfootball87

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Originally posted by mda1125
So if homosexuality is a choice, when did you choose to like girls over boys? What age did you think.. I think I wanna go to the dance with Sally rather then my best buddy Ron.

I believe that you naturally know that being straight is the right way to do things and homosexuality is wrong, whether you belive in God or not.

Posted by: Jodi

Does this thread bring back memories?

Posted by: mda1125

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Originally posted by RCfootball87
I believe that you naturally know that being straight

If you naturally just know this.. it must be genetic code.

Because nature input this "right/wrong" feeling into you. Otherwise, how would I naturally know this is the right thing to do?

Do I know that being hungry is right or wrong? Do I make a choice? Or do I just naturally know that I'm hungry?

Naturally I'm hungry. Therefore it's genetic codes (hormones, chemicals) that trigger genetic responses to make me crave food to satisfy hunger.

I don't make a choice to be hungry or not.. I am naturally hungry. And that is pure genetics.. not a choice.

And yes I'm comparing being gay to being hungry. Because nobody really choose either.

Unless you are in a trendy city or a model who choose to stave oneself.

Posted by: BUSTINOUT

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Not a flame directed at you IAB, but that is utterly rediculous. People can oppose same sex marriages or homosexuality in general and NOT hold any religious beliefs...or not believe in any god for that matter. On another note, believe it or not, people can have morals and standards without it being religion based. My thoughts on same sex marriages and homosexiuality were developed looooooong before my religious beliefs were. So don't paint eveyrone with the same brush just because they are opposed to something and that belief happens to jive with a religious viewpoint. That in and of itself is narrow minded and stereotypical.

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally posted by RCfootball87
Define this "50's lifestyle" you keep talkin about?

Speaking for the "other thread," I didn't really see anything out of line myself. It is kind of a shame I think that both parents "have to" work nowdays, but it seems a part of our modern day life. If the dad stayed at home thats fine too, I think the BEST thing you can do for your children is spend time with them. Do you want them to end up like you and not some other random person? Then they should get to know you, not spend 70% of their time at home behind a TV set, or the rest of the time playing in the streets, then later doing "other things" possibly on those same streets with other kids who likewise dont see thier parents much.

Since the mother is motherly, it was kind of natural for the mom to do this. I have no problems with women working at all, but I do believe that parents should parent, nowdays parents come home, seem to argue, want to sit back and watch TV and then go to bed. "Hi son, sorry I'm too tired, go play in your room."

So if anything, I could blame our modern day way of life, technology is our master now. We were not content with hunting and gathering, or farming, so here we are. Mankind is never content it seems

Do I sound like a hippy?

I love technology, but people let themselves be blind to reality, people just dont think. Why has society been "getting worse" seems plain to me.

Posted by: BUSTINOUT

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Originally posted by Mudge
How about you think about what you just said

Well said Mudge. I will never understand it when people say "The Church should get in the 21st Century". That has to be the most ignorant thing in the world when you think about it. People seem to think that "sin" has changed over the centuries and therefor the church should change how it vies it. It has not changed at all and there are no new ones. We have just found different ways to dress them up. lol

Posted by: dg806

FYI, not anywhere did I mention anything that could be considered religious.

Posted by: Prince

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Originally posted by mda1125
If you naturally just know this.. it must be genetic code.

Because nature input this "right/wrong" feeling into you. Otherwise, how would I naturally know this is the right thing to do?

Do I know that being hungry is right or wrong? Do I make a choice? Or do I just naturally know that I'm hungry?

Naturally I'm hungry. Therefore it's genetic codes (hormones, chemicals) that trigger genetic responses to make me crave food to satisfy hunger.

I don't make a choice to be hungry or not.. I am naturally hungry. And that is pure genetics.. not a choice.

And yes I'm comparing being gay to being hungry. Because nobody really choose either.

Unless you are in a trendy city or a model who choose to stave oneself.

You're missing something very important here!

Yes, you "naturally felt hunger as a newborn baby, but you did NOT know what to do about it, you were taught this by your parents. Eat food and the pain goes away.

Posted by: dg806

Quote:

Originally posted by Prince
You're missing something very important here!

Yes, you "naturally felt hunger as a newborn baby, but you did NOT know what to do about it, you were taught this by your parents. Eat food and the pain goes away.

That is why I said it was a learned lifestyle.
My 5 year old son was checking out the Miss NC contestants back in June with binoculars. Now tell me that is not natural and born in males!

Posted by: y2gt

Quote:

Originally posted by BUSTINOUT
Well said Mudge. I will never understand it when people say "The Church should get in the 21st Century". That has to be the most ignorant thing in the world when you think about it. People seem to think that "sin" has changed over the centuries and therefor the church should change how it vies it. It has not changed at all and there are no new ones. We have just found different ways to dress them up. lol

The church HAS made many changes throughout the years, so i don't understand your statement....and no i don't think murder will be ok.
Examples of changes:
-Women priests
-Alter-girls

The way the church changes through time and their confusing and misleading views is what made me stray away from the Catholic faith i was forced to follow as a child.

Misleading views:
-why is going to church on saturday night acceptable as going to church on Sunday?
-Why do i have to follow the religion at all....it states that god is "all forgiving", so I will get into "heaven" just as easily as someone who wasted their time living their life according to the bible.

I don't need a religion to guide me through life. As some people posted above, I do have high morals...and i do believe that "we" are getting out of control (murder rates, divorce rates, child neglect/abuse, declining morals..etc) I don't think religion has anything to do with this. I don't need a religion to tell me what is right and wrong. I dont sleep around, i dont do drugs, i respect everyone, i dont cheat, steal,....so on... I gotta go.

Posted by: Mudge

Quote:

Originally posted by RCfootball87
I believe that you naturally know that being straight is the right way to do things and homosexuality is wrong, whether you belive in God or not.

If you as a man, are attracted to a man what tells you its wrong? Society, not inner self.

Posted by: Mudge

Quote:

Originally posted by BUSTINOUT
Well said Mudge. I will never understand it when people say "The Church should get in the 21st Century".

Lets put Michael Jackson on the throne and moonwalk!

Posted by: Mudge

Quote:

Originally posted by dg806
Now tell me that is not natural and born in males!

Of course it is, so suggesting that someone just chooses to be gay is one of the top 10 most ridiculous things I've heard.

"Oh man I want to be a flaming homo so some boys in blue will come beat me down, and I can watch the sweat dripping off thier hard, ripped bodies, while they beat me like I deserve."

Does that sound sensible to you? I dont think a person appearing to be happy on the outside, to that degree, would be such a psychotic freak that they smile when they get beaten in the streets, or murdered.

I've spent time on the east coast so I know that things may move a little slower out there, but come on now, choosing your sexuality? That is just beyond funny, it makes no sense. I want people to hate me, beat me in the streets, and stare at me like I'm worthless scum all day, sign me up.

Posted by: RCfootball87

Quote:

Originally posted by Jodi
Does this thread bring back memories?

What about it? I never said I agreed with anything in that article. You just flew off the handle, apparently I interrupted your women's lib. meeting or something

Posted by: BUSTINOUT

Quote:

Originally posted by y2gt
The church HAS made many changes throughout the years, so i don't understand your statement....and no i don't think murder will be ok.
Examples of changes:
-Women priests
-Alter-girls

I was not referring to changes in silly little rules. I guess what I was referring to is that people would like to see the church be more tolerant of the "sins" that are now common place. Like just because they are common, makes them okay to do. Not trying to be preachy here, but any religion that TRULY adhers to what it's teachings are, cannot let its basic foundation sway with whatever way the wind blows.

Quote:

Originally posted by y2gt The way the church changes through time and their confusing and misleading views is what made me stray away from the Catholic faith i was forced to follow as a child.

I totally understand what you mean here. This happens all to often when we get off track and try to follow rules and such made my other men. But shame on us for not seeking truth, but rather being so ready to chuck it all, just because we did not like the rules. I guess one excuse is as good as another though.

Quote:

Originally posted by y2gt Misleading views:
-why is going to church on saturday night acceptable as going to church on Sunday?
-Why do i have to follow the religion at all....it states that god is "all forgiving", so I will get into "heaven" just as easily as someone who wasted their time living their life according to the bible.

I am not of the Catholic faith, but I do know they know how to read the Bible, and neither of your examples above listed anywhere in the Bible. One is just a silly rule, the other is hodge podge. If you had ever even cracked a bible while you were young, you'd have your answer to the second part. BTW, living according to the Bible and following a religion are two totally different things.

Again, not trying to be preachy, just clarifying for you what I meant.

Oh, and for same sex marriages, that is not for me to judge.

Posted by: Dero

Ok,I work in the arts,where I would say 40% of the artistic community is either homosexual,lesbian or bi.I get along pretty good with any of them,BTW I am heterosexual.I have close friends that are lesbians and have adopted a little girl who came from a married couple(man/woman) and would get their thrills from BEATING UP their little girl.This is an extreme case I have to agree.But when my friends took custody of this little girl,(let's call her Marie)Marie would cringe and freak out at any loud noises that would happen near her( can't say I blame her after what had happen to her with her previous parents).
It took 6 months for Lucie and Andree to get Marie calmed down,and actually come and site with any men that came into the house(I guess her father was the one that beat her up the most)
Anyway,had Marie been adopted by a "normal couple" (even though I hate using that term in this situation)I don't think that Marie would had been emotionally stable like she is now.
BTW,Marie is 14 years old and has been under the care of my friends since she was 5.
I have seen my friends have very open discussion about what is suppose and what is reality according to the powers to be...
At the age of 14 Marie knows already that she is heterosexual,not belittleling her parents,but understanding herself that that is what she is,not something that somebody shuved down her throat.
Many psycologists were saying that Marie was never to grow as a normal little girl,had it not been for the loving care of my TWO LESBIAN FRIENDS.Had there been a man/father,they all agree that Marie would had rejected him totally as a parent figure.

My thoughts on the matter:
I was a catholic and do not practise anymore...
Why does the church have a say as to what people are going to be and with whoom?
I bring the church in this issue,because here in Canada the Pope is asking all catholic politicians to do what it takes to prevent the same sex marriage.

As I stated in my original post,if the Pope decides that oral sex is not moral,I wonder how many people are going to obey this absurdity??
In my eyes,I see it as the SAME THING!!!

Posted by: Dero

So now I throw the ball on the side of the "I'm against all this BS"

What would you do about this little girl,force her into a "NORMAL MARRIED COUPLE" where you know that because there is a man is this couple,Marie will be FUCKED UP for the rest of her life,denying her a happy childhood that was denied by her FUCKED UP but "NORMAL PARENTS"?

Posted by: Jodi

Quote:

Originally posted by RCfootball87
What about it? I never said I agreed with anything in that article.

I'm not saying you did. But you did show your roots. You believing marriages were better when in fact they were not and they were just hidden lies as well as teenage pregnancy. Its apparant that your beliefs are so "old fashioned" and can't accept change in society.

You just flew off the handle, apparently I interrupted your women's lib. meeting or something

I can soo tell you but a child.

Posted by: RCfootball87

You're the one being childish, pull that stick out of your ass and get a sense of humor.

Posted by: BUSTINOUT

Good point dero. I'm happy everything has turned out so well for "Marie". I might add though, that there are thousands of abused children that have gone on to live with new heterosexual parents, and they have turned out just as normal.

Like dero, I know numerous people who are gay. We were friends long before I knew they were gay, and we remained great friends long after I knew they were gay. I could not care one way or the other. That does not mean I have to agree with their choice, just like they do not agree with mine. This is just another one of those devisive topics that brings out the worst in everyone...unfortunately.

I always knew you seemed and little artsy fartsy dero.

Posted by: oaktownboy

i've been following this thread with interest and i guess it mine turn to say something. Before i tell my story, i want to come right out and say I resprect RC and Jodi's opinions. What that said, I grew up with my father, my mother leaving at an early age, claiming she couldn't be part of a family anymore.too much work i believe were her words..i can't remember exactly..i was too young..Anyways, ever since that day i have had to act like a man and become responible. i don't remember that last time i cried or openly shared my emotions. i believe my mother indirectly leaving bottled up a lot of hate and anger inside of me by her leaving me at such an early age. i couldn't share this with my father..he was always reminding me of how my mother had divorced us and taken away all of the money he saved for my college fund..i ad no one to turn to..friends didn't understand...so what did i turn to weightlifitng..it was the only thing i could connect to...
I don't know if any of you care to hear this, but i do believe the so called "family" is not around like it used to be. I believe that one parent shpuld stay at home during the child's young years to raise them. it could be the father or the mother. but the child needs a combination of love from both.
Now with regards to Jodi's comments: Should women work out of the home for a living? I don't see why that should be a problem.I mean, men do it.
With regards to RC, I know where you are coming from bro and i feel you.This is a very complex question and who knows if this will ever be solved.

Posted by: Pepper

Dero,

The Pope can't read the Bible, see that homosexuality is condemned (you don't believe the Bible, but Catholics do) and make a pronouncement that in his religion, gays will not be married.

I really pisses me off when people are tolerant of EVERYBODY except someone who believes the Bible.

If the Pope can't talk about what Catholics should/shouldn't do, who can? I am not Catholic and not a fan of the Pope, but blasting him for saying no homosexual marriages is absurd. You don't agree with the Bible, that is your right. But HE DOES and that makes his position a "no brainer."

Posted by: freeman1504

Quote:

Originally posted by RCfootball87
Absolutely! Take a look at the human bodies sexual organs. Hmm.... things seem to fit together pretty good between a man and a woman, on the other hand a man and a man doesn't fit. If God intended for their to be homosexual unions then why can't homosexuals or lesbians reproduce together? I beleive homoesexuality is perverted, sad, and morally and physically just wrong. I wouldn't want to shower up after practice if there was a homosexualy in there! Imagine what would happen to me if I walked into the girls shower room in the raw! I don't care what kind of kinky shit you wanna do in your home, but I don't need/want to hear about it. Honestly, I believe the worst thing possible out of all of this is that they actaully let couples that are same sex adopt children! People seem to think that the younger generation has some kind of new tolerance level that other generations didn't. I'm telling you, if you had gay adopted parents, and kids in your high school found out about it, you would be neglected, mocked, beaten, laughed at, ostricised, and maybe even driven to suicide. If my parents were gay I'd either kill them or ask for foster care. I feel terribly sorry for any child who has to grow up with gay adopted guardians. They could be great "parents" but it still wouldn't matter, the kid won't be happy. Our culture is spiraling more and more immoral, what's next, human/animal marriages?

This will piss a lot of people off...but, honestly fuck your god.

Posted by: Mudge

Quote:

Originally posted by oaktownboy
What that said, I grew up with my father, my mother leaving at an early age, claiming she couldn't be part of a family anymore.too much work i believe were her words..i can't remember exactly..i was too young.

My mom took off when I was 1, so I never really got to know her, I have some memories of visiting her when I was 3, and then 15, she just wasn't fit to be a mom I spose. She has been married 3 times last I heard, but I haven't talked to her in 12 years.

Posted by: RCfootball87

Quote:

Originally posted by freeman1504
This will piss a lot of people off...but, honestly fuck your god.

At what point in this entire thread did I ever say I practiced a religion or believed one? Sheesh. When I said "if God intended" I wasn't saying I practiced anything, must've been a misunderstanding. I do believe there is a God though, and I think evolution is a load of crap, but other than that I dont really know.

Posted by: freeman1504

at what point did I ever say you practiced a religion? You jsut said yourself you believe in god. and, if that is what "your" god thinks, then, in my opinion, he can kiss my ass

Posted by: kuso

Seems not all religions condem it anyway........

Uniting Church votes to allow gay ministers

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s904337.htm

Posted by: RCfootball87

Quote:

Originally posted by freeman1504
at what point did I ever say you practiced a religion? You jsut said yourself you believe in god. and, if that is what "your" god thinks, then, in my opinion, he can kiss my ass

I believe there's A God, based on things that have happend to me and others. I didn't specify any kind of religion.

Posted by: BUSTINOUT

Quote:

Originally posted by freeman1504
This will piss a lot of people off...but, honestly fuck your god.

Now there is an intellegent post.

Why don't you post something worthwhile or not at all?

Posted by: buff_tat2d_chick

Quote:

Originally posted by ponyboy
I have no problem with same sex marriages. Whomever you choose to care about is whomever you choose to care about.

ditto

Posted by: buff_tat2d_chick

We have a lesbian couple that is very, very good friends of ours. They are one of those couples you see as ALWAYS being together. Very good people.

Posted by: OceanDude

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge
Someone is always going to have a problem with how someone else lives thier life. Like again the eskimo example, eskimo mothers sometimes beat thier newborns to death upon birth, simply because of food concerns. Now for many people in other areas of the world, this is shocking and inhuman, but it is part of thier culture.

I can see that as being wrong, and hard to accept. But do I really care who John sticks his prick into, as long as the other person wants it too? No I really dont.

Mudge, you do not seem to be consistent on this view. You seem to have an inconsistent preference for being liberal to only certain classes of cultures. Can you explain?

Posted by: OceanDude

Quote:

Originally posted by Jodi
Accept - No, I don't think that we need to accept every lifestyle, but as long as it is not hurting me in any way why should I discriminate. I have homosexual friends and they leave me out of their lifestyle. Why should we care if 2 homosexuals want to get married? What harm is that causing?

Jodi do you think that the massive spread of AIDS is not harmful to society at large? This did not occur to any degree of statistical significance as a result of heterosexual unions.

Posted by: OceanDude

Quote:

Bustinout, it would seem that there is a new religion emerging from the secular ranks that defines "sin" as anything that does not change to the current desires of the vocal (irrespective of majority or minority view). Intolerence of a religious view is accepted as a valid principal where as having a belief system other than secularism is not. That is a fairly illogical and irrational mechamism to base a future society on if you ask me.

Posted by: freeman1504

Quote:

Originally posted by BUSTINOUT
Now there is an intellegent post.

Why don't you post something worthwhile or not at all?

I posted my opinion. A humorous one at that. If you people lack any sort of sense of humor, why don't YOU not post anything and go to some lame-ass board where you'll feel more comfortable posting. I'm the most left of center person I know...big time liberal. It's a shame to see people like you still exist. Afraid of anything out of the ordinary. Anything that rubs YOU the wrong way shouldn't be expressed. Who made you "board-dictator". Oh, and also, lighten the fuck up. Take a god damn joke for once!

Posted by: freeman1504

Quote:

Originally posted by RCfootball87 I didn't specify any kind of religion.

Nor did I.

Posted by: OceanDude

Quote:

Originally posted by Pepper
Dero,
…If the Pope can't talk about what Catholics should/shouldn't do, who can? I am not Catholic and not a fan of the Pope, but blasting him for saying no homosexual marriages is absurd. You don't agree with the Bible, that is your right. But HE DOES and that makes his position a "no brainer."

Pepper, what perplexes me on this topic is that most forget that marriage was originally a purely religious concept. Marriage was absorbed and made fundamentally integral through various laws into our American culture due to the overwhelming majority of our early citizenry being of similar religious belief. In essence the “marriage certificate” or “license” should be offensive to the Religious since most fundamentally hold it as a God given right to enter into marriage that does not require approval from the sate – only proper religious authority and witness. Now, for whatever reasons (moral decay, superior intellectual insight, political sabotage, apathy, whatever ) the country has a plurality of contradictory belief systems. In fact a social war is ongoing as the nation struggles to cope. Clearly a homosexual rights organization would exclude the Pope or Billy Graham or Pat Robertson et-al from being a spokesperson for their cause because they are fundamentally of a different belief system. There is enmity between these two. Homosexuals should similarly not expect consideration in speaking and preaching about how to conduct religious ceremonies when they neither respect nor have qualification to participate in same. If they seek to change religious teaching then they really are saying that they do respect certain select aspects of the organizational concepts and benefits – which I find intriguing. But back to perplexity; do you think homosexuals seek societal approval from religious organizations and desire a recognition in religious marriage when they are already told that their belief system and practice is contrary to membership? The answer of course is they do not respect the religious institutions or their membership but only seek to gain the “benefits” of the union – tacit societal approval, tax benefits, survivorship benefits etc. Essentially they are declaring that “we are normal” unlike the rest of you sick people that can’t see it our way. And this is the conflict – neither party views the other as normal. I personally find the homosexual argument for marriage inconsistent and irrational since they could have circumvented the conflict with the religious by pursuing a separate secular mechanism that lobbied to get physically equivalent benefits to those provided by religious marriage. By calling it “marriage” they chose to directly confront the religious and more. I suspect that if the secular dimension of society caves in to the political pressure that the religious citizenry will demand that the state get out of the church and let them administer marriage through the church and not the state. This would essentially bypass the judges and attorneys in all related religious matters (amazed this has not come up yet to the Supreme Court as a matter of separation of church and state). This would then define two types of marriages -religious and secular that had two common but equivalent entitlements under common law. If this happens watch the fireworks and expect a new holiday depending on which side wins.

Posted by: dg806

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge
Of course it is, so suggesting that someone just chooses to be gay is one of the top 10 most ridiculous things I've heard.

No, your missing my point. I mean to suggest that males are born to mate with females only, not males. I still think it a choice somewhere along the line. Now not saying there may be a few in the world that are screwed up genitically because of inbreeding, but not as many as claim to be gay. I have had gay friends and get along with them, but they knew not to talk about or show their lifestyle around me. (men are suppose to be with Eve, not steve!)

Posted by: Tboy

Quote:

Originally posted by Jodi
This is not a religious debate and nor should it be.

Actually, you are 100% wrong on this. Marriage WAS and IS defined by religion/christians. It was defined, a very long time ago, as a union between a woman and a man. Long before rosie o'dike and others were ever around to force their political correctness down society's throat.

If gays want to give each other rings and call themselves "partners" then let them. But they are not happy just doing that. They want to take something that was never ment for them and pervert it and force others to go along with it.

I just cannot and will not go along with it.

Hopefully this extremely insane era of political correctness will be over soon.

Posted by: OceanDude

Quote:

Originally posted by Tboy
Actually, you are 100% wrong on this. Marriage WAS and IS defined by religion/christians. It was defined, a very long time ago, as a union between a woman and a man...

Minor correction tboy - it was defined and linked to religion by the early jewish peoples at the earliest time of their recorded history - centuries before Christ came.

Posted by: kuso

Quote:

Originally posted by OceanDude
Burnout

I would hope that was a weak attempt at humour.

Posted by: freeman1504

Quote:

Originally posted by Tboy
Actually, you are 100% wrong on this. Marriage WAS and IS defined by religion/christians. It was defined, a very long time ago, as a union between a woman and a man. Long before rosie o'dike and others were ever around to force their political correctness down society's throat.

If gays want to give each other rings and call themselves "partners" then let them. But they are not happy just doing that. They want to take something that was never ment for them and pervert it and force others to go along with it.

I just cannot and will not go along with it.

Hopefully this extremely insane era of political correctness will be over soon.

This, among other reasons, is why I am not religious and also why I do not believe in marriage.

Posted by: OceanDude

Quote:

Originally posted by kuso
I would hope that was a weak attempt at humour.

oops, I typo'd his name wrongly - thanks

Posted by: J'Bo

Quote:

Originally posted by naturaltan
DUCK ... it's starting all over again.

i have my hard hat on and am not stepping into this mess

BTW faggots dont suck (well you know what i mean)...ignorant people SUCK!

Posted by: freeman1504

Quote:

Originally posted by J'Bo ignorant people SUCK!

I oculdn't agree with you more J'bo!

Posted by: J'Bo

I love threads like this actually...cause i can read them and then know who is ignorant and who is open to the world. Also make pickin cyber friends easy

Posted by: Mudge

Quote:

Originally posted by OceanDude
Mudge, you do not seem to be consistent on this view. You seem to have an inconsistent preference for being liberal to only certain classes of cultures. Can you explain?

Huh? I view myself as primarily conservative, what is conservative to me - laze fair, of course it doesn't seem that way today does it. I have somewhat old fashioned values because thats how I was brought up. Now if you mean because I dont understand or agree with what Eskimo mothers do, this is a CLASSIC problem of one culture not understanding another. This is where things get sticky because I dont understand it, meaning I could not see myself doing it and not feeling any remorse or guilt.

How about you explain just what you mean for my little brain?

Posted by: Mudge

Quote:

Originally posted by dg806
(men are suppose to be with Eve, not steve!)

Of course thats how it was meant to be, but if they dont want it, ohh well! I would have said 5 years ago they dont bring any more children into the world so thats even a better plus, I think we are making too many kids these days for our own good. Nowdays with sperm donors and egg carriers and such, now they are having kids too.

Posted by: Tboy

Quote:

Originally posted by OceanDude
Minor correction tboy - it was defined and linked to religion by the early jewish peoples at the earliest time of their recorded history - centuries before Christ came.

I should have left off the "christian" part.

Posted by: dg806

Quote:

Originally posted by J'Bo
and then know who is ignorant and who is open to the world.

Open to the world?? Explain this?

Posted by: Tboy

Quote:

Originally posted by freeman1504
This, among other reasons, is why I am not religious and also why I do not believe in marriage.

Marriage is a good tax write off.

I think some of the main reason some are pushing the marriage issue, is to get the benefiets of marriage. Such as taxes, insurance etc.

My stance is, I don't dislike gay people... I strongly disagree with their actions.

Posted by: OceanDude

Quote:

Originally posted by dg806
Open to the world?? Explain this?

dg, I think it just means that some like to make themselves physically 'wide open' to loving anything and everything in the world except "ignorant" people. I feel that the retards among us need loving too - they can't help the way they were born.

Posted by: OceanDude

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge
Huh? I view myself as primarily conservative, what is conservative to me - laze fair, of course it doesn't seem that way today does it. I have somewhat old fashioned values because thats how I was brought up. Now if you mean because I dont understand or agree with what Eskimo mothers do, this is a CLASSIC problem of one culture not understanding another. This is where things get sticky because I dont understand it, meaning I could not see myself doing it and not feeling any remorse or guilt.

How about you explain just what you mean for my little brain?

Oh I thought it was clear enough. You previously gave an example of the eskimos and how you didn't agree with it but you "understood" how they thought it "was OK" for them to kill among their own people in that societal context. But then you denied RCfootball87's exagerated comment to kill his parents if they were gay from his societal context. It appeared to be a selective deference to "understanding" and "empathy" when you permitted one social structure to kill for what they thought a legitamate purpose but not another social structure that was closer to home. Obviously the example is extreme but it was one you yourself made. I was simply pointing out the oft recurring pattern of selective "understanding" and compassion which seems to pervade much of current liberal thought.

Posted by: Mudge

Quote:

Originally posted by OceanDude
It appeared to be a selective deference to "understanding" and "empathy" when you permitted one social structure to kill for what they thought a legitamate purpose but not another social structure that was closer to home. Obviously the example is extreme but it was one you yourself made

While it is good for a person to have the ability to look at both sides of the coin, if a mother thinks she can't feed her child - what in the fucking fuck does that have to do with my parents being gay and them needing to die? I feel it was a horrible example in the first place, because if you dont like the foster family you dont go, period.

I should also repeat, I dont think a child that grows up in such a family is the one who is going to have a problem with it, more than likely he or she is going to wish that other people weren't so ignorant for throwing rocks at him/her, pulling his/her hair, etc

I dont understand the importance of who Bob Nobody sticks his wang into.

I do not understand murder, I do not understand the desire to eat a fetus, but yes I understand the fact that a mother says they are killing thier newborn because they "cant feed it." Nowhere did I say I agree with it, since I know how to read I understand thier reason. This is a classic reason why culture clashes have been going on since earliest exploration days.

Posted by: BUSTINOUT

Quote:

Originally posted by kuso
I would hope that was a weak attempt at humour.

LMAO!!!! I did not even catch that kuso. Has kind of a ring to it eh? I think the only weak attempt at humor so far is from freeman.

Posted by: BUSTINOUT

Quote:

Originally posted by freeman1504
I posted my opinion. A humorous one at that. If you people lack any sort of sense of humor, why don't YOU not post anything and go to some lame-ass board where you'll feel more comfortable posting. I'm the most left of center person I know...big time liberal. It's a shame to see people like you still exist. Afraid of anything out of the ordinary. Anything that rubs YOU the wrong way shouldn't be expressed. Who made you "board-dictator". Oh, and also, lighten the fuck up. Take a god damn joke for once!

Define for me what you mean by "people like you" and the fact "that we still exist". That is not a term I'm used to hearing from the ever so tolerant left.

FYI Freeman... I have no problem with your opinion or your attempt at humor and I am in no way trying to be board dictator. When it comes to people speaking their mind and opinions, I am all for it. Anyone here that know me, knows that I have taken my share of blows for standing up with people of different opinions. But your post served absolutely no purpose other than to heat the topic up even more. If you are so poorly educated and carry such a small understanding and inability to use the english vocabulary any better than that, you are an embarassment to the educational system. Just so we are clear, I am hardly afraid of anything like the likes of you or your opinion. It was your tact of offering no valuable thoughts or opinion to the thread that I take issue with. If you can legitimately show me ANY value on ANY level that your first post had, I will publically apologize to you for my intolerance of your stupidity.

Posted by: freeman1504

Quote:

Originally posted by J'Bo
I love threads like this actually...cause i can read them and then know who is ignorant and who is open to the world. Also make pickin cyber friends easy

Sooooooooooooooooooo, are we cyber friends now J'bo???

Posted by: J'Bo

Quote:

Originally posted by dg806
Open to the world?? Explain this?

Well sorry i confused you but i am not going into detail because i will spare IM the drama. All i mean is that people who discriminate are ignorant. period.

Wait does this mean that i am discriminating discriminaters

Freeman...yah your swell

Posted by: Dero

First question...Of many...
Why is it that same sex marriage affects you personally,why are you so against the idea?
Is it because somebody said so,many centuries ago and that train of thought has not evolved since then?

I'm just trying to understand the logic of the people that are dead against the idea...Is it an ideaology that has not died since way back then???So far,I hear "it's because the church says so..."

I see that my querry has been avoided like the plague,again I will ask it ,if the Pope or any religious figure decides that oral sex should be banned,HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD FOLLOW THAT LAW/RULE.
Let's not forget that even now,2003,in some states (I can't remember which one) it is ILLEGAL to perform oral sex and I mean between man and woman...
It just boggles my mind that such a law is still in vigour.Go ask any religious figure their thought on the matter.
You may say that the law books are full of these OUTDATED laws.I agree,but it's still illegal.
Is it the protestants that have this saying "every sperm is sacred"
(you might recognise it from a Monthy Pithon skit)...

Of course,there will always be two camps to every discussion.
It would be so boring if everybody thought the same way,followed the same lamb down into the precipise w/o asking questions...

Ok back to the original question...

Posted by: gr81

I am laughing at this mess of a thread, my god. Honestly Why does it concern anybody if the gays get married or not. I am not for or against, I just honestly don't care b/c it doesn't affect me. If they want to get married then what does it bother you. These people will be together whether they are married or not so you aren't stopping something by being against it. I am as hetero as they come, believe me, but I do not see why soem of you are even making a stink about this. Now I am extremely against gays and lesbians raising children, not b/c of reasons already mentioned, and not b/c they won't have loving parents, but simply b/c a boy needs a father figure in his life to show him how to be a man, and he won't get that with lesbos raising him. And it is the same way with a girl, she needs a mother as well as a father, not two of the same. Teh reason I care about this is b/c once children are thrown into the mix, then the situation begins to affect other people, mainly the child they are rising, but as far as the marriage, it only affects them so who cares, there ae bigger problems inthe world we should be worrying about don't you think?

By the way RC, I have never had a problem with you before, infact I was glad to see that someone your age has done some reading to learn about the sport, but as far as this thread goes you really showed your age and acted extremely immature, you could've worded you responses differently if you want people to respect your opinion man, trust me.

Posted by: RCfootball87

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Originally posted by J'Bo
I love threads like this actually...cause i can read them and then know who is ignorant and who is open to the world. Also make pickin cyber friends easy

So I'm ignorant because I have a philosophical disagreement with gay marriage? What's your definition of ignorant? From this post I may want to be ignorant the way you said it.

Posted by: RCfootball87

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Originally posted by Dero
First question...Of many...
Why is it that same sex marriage affects you personally,why are you so against the idea?
Is it because somebody said so,many centuries ago and that train of thought has not evolved since then?

I'm just trying to understand the logic of the people that are dead against the idea...Is it an ideaology that has not died since way back then???So far,I hear "it's because the church says so..."

I see that my querry has been avoided like the plague,again I will ask it ,if the Pope or any religious figure decides that oral sex should be banned,HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD FOLLOW THAT LAW/RULE.
Let's not forget that even now,2003,in some states (I can't remember which one) it is ILLEGAL to perform oral sex and I mean between man and woman...
It just boggles my mind that such a law is still in vigour.Go ask any religious figure their thought on the matter.
You may say that the law books are full of these OUTDATED laws.I agree,but it's still illegal.
Is it the protestants that have this saying "every sperm is sacred"
(you might recognise it from a Monthy Pithon skit)...

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if I were athiest I still would disagree with homosexuality. It just doesn't fit, in more ways than one.

Posted by: RCfootball87

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Originally posted by freeman1504
Afraid of anything out of the ordinary. Anything that rubs YOU the wrong way shouldn't be expressed. Who made you "board-dictator". Oh, and also, lighten the fuck up. Take a god damn joke for once!

Notice how you contradicted yourself. First you say he thinks that anything that rubs him the wrong way shouldn't be expressed. By the nature of the rest of your post its obvious his post rubbed YOU the wrong way. So what do you do when you're rubbed the wrong way? You say, and I quote, " lighten the fuck up. Take a god damn joke for once!" The more you talk the stupider you sound.

Posted by: oaktownboy

geez this thread is sure funny to read ain't it gr81?

Posted by: gr81

unbelievable.

Hey oaktown, what kind of music do you listen to? The reason I ask is b/c I listen to that undergroud hip-hop and most of it is from your area. IMO the top rappers are from the bay area like Sac town and the O-A-K, the list is large indeed. I would love to be down there. R U into that shit at all?

Posted by: oaktownboy

im not deep into the undeground stuff but yeah a lot of it comes right out of oak and sac town i use to listen to pac a lot before he died now i listen to puff even though he's east coast..i remember when Hammer came straight out of oak..man old skool was great

Posted by: firestorm

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Originally posted by Dero
Ok,I work in the arts,where I would say 40% of the artistic community is either homosexual,lesbian or bi.I get along pretty good with any of them,BTW I am heterosexual.I have close friends that are lesbians and have adopted a little girl who came from a married couple(man/woman) and would get their thrills from BEATING UP their little girl.This is an extreme case I have to agree.But when my friends took custody of this little girl,(let's call her Marie)Marie would cringe and freak out at any loud noises that would happen near her( can't say I blame her after what had happen to her with her previous parents).
It took 6 months for Lucie and Andree to get Marie calmed down,and actually come and site with any men that came into the house(I guess her father was the one that beat her up the most)
Anyway,had Marie been adopted by a "normal couple" (even though I hate using that term in this situation)I don't think that Marie would had been emotionally stable like she is now.
BTW,Marie is 14 years old and has been under the care of my friends since she was 5.
I have seen my friends have very open discussion about what is suppose and what is reality according to the powers to be...
At the age of 14 Marie knows already that she is heterosexual,not belittleling her parents,but understanding herself that that is what she is,not something that somebody shuved down her throat.
Many psycologists were saying that Marie was never to grow as a normal little girl,had it not been for the loving care of my TWO LESBIAN FRIENDS.Had there been a man/father,they all agree that Marie would had rejected him totally as a parent figure.

My thoughts on the matter:
I was a catholic and do not practise anymore...
Why does the church have a say as to what people are going to be and with whoom?
I bring the church in this issue,because here in Canada the Pope is asking all catholic politicians to do what it takes to prevent the same sex marriage.

As I stated in my original post,if the Pope decides that oral sex is not moral,I wonder how many people are going to obey this absurdity??
In my eyes,I see it as the SAME THING!!!

Dero come on now,,, your talking about a very isolated incident here (your friends) and holds little water in the big picture. You know there are swarms of gay/bisexual men out there that molest little boys (even priests as we have read in the papers and the news). Change your story alittle and we can argue the total opposite of everything you just said.
In short your talking a child that was abused by a man and putting him with a female(s). The same would be true if he was molested by 2 homos and placed with a single female parent. It is the male form he would cringe too not their sexual preference. He would cringe every time he saw a man wearing a feathered boa or talk with a lisp.

Posted by: firestorm

With that said,, I'm coming clean and pissing off some friends here for sure. I'm against same sex marriages, same sex relationships and same sex parenting. and that is my opinion.

Posted by: OceanDude

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Originally posted by Dero
First question...Of many...
Why is it that same sex marriage affects you personally,why are you so against the idea?
Is it because somebody said so,many centuries ago and that train of thought has not evolved since then?

Simple – anyone here working has to pay taxes to pay for research to find cures for AIDS and to pay to educate dumb people for their own life style choices and then to bury them. Each day in a working life all are forced to pay some part of each person's life to subsidize the unnatural homosexual life style choice.

I'm just trying to understand the logic of the people that are dead against the idea...Is it an ideaology (sp) that has not died since way back then???So far,I hear "it's because the church says so..."

You are not listening very well – so far this discussion is best characterized by responsesthat indicate it: 1) offensive to individual sensibilities, 2) it is unhealthy to society at large and