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Posted by: bludevil

Wanted to get your thoughts on the new mag10 (the destroyer) coming out on Aug 22nd. Science sounds kind of cool.

http://www.testosterone.net/nation_articles/273dom.jsp

Posted by: bigswole30

Do not buy into their BS. Also, $119 for one bottle, no thanks.

Posted by: dg806

All they say is, it's better. How? What's in it?

Posted by: bigswole30

I hope it's spike with d-bol or sustenon for that cost.

Posted by: dg806

Well BS, VPX ain't much better in price!

IMO, most are way overpriced!

Posted by: OceanDude

I don't know about biotest. They sure push the outer envelope on malarkey, science and marketing. I have tried two of their products in the past and I just did not get phenomenal results like the claimed I would…

Posted by: bludevil

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Originally posted by dg806
All they say is, it's better. How? What's in it?

From what I gathered, the delivery system (capsules) is supposed to be better, which allows 30% more absorption of the 1t - 4ad hormone.

Posted by: dg806

See, that's it. They don't tell you how though!

Posted by: bludevil

Some of the science
The science behind microemulsion is both fascinating and complicated. To fully understand it, you'd need an advanced degree in chemistry and perhaps pharmacology. However, here's the Cliff's Notes version:

Efficient oral delivery requires that compounds transport to the cells of the GI tract from whatever form they're provided in. This requires passing through the mostly aqueous environment of the GI tract. For water-soluble compounds, like aspirin, this can be simple and efficient. Prohormones, however, are practically insoluble in water.

If provided as a powder, some of the prohormones will stay undissolved and remain in the particles of powder all the way through the GI tract. This amount is totally wasted. Some will succeed, though, in transferring to micelles formed in the GI tract as part of the natural process of digesting fats.

This gives them a chance to make their way to the cells. But even when this occurs it doesn't work very well, because the prohormones don't interface well with these micelles. Further, the large size of this sort of micelle allows only limited absorption of compounds other than the fats Nature intends them to deliver.

As a primitive improvement on powder, pre-dissolving prohormones in oil can provide some improvement, as there's an increase in the transfer to these natural micelles. However, much of it can actually precipitate back out to solid. Additionally, the interface problem still isn't solved, and the micelle size again remains far too large for absorption of this type of compound.

In contrast, when a self-microemulsifying formulation is added to water or released into the GI tract it transfers all of the contained prohormones into nanometer-scale (millionth of a millimeter) micelles that offer dramatically improved absorption. These micelles are so small that they actually appear transparent in solution!

This happens independent of the fat-digestive process as well, releasing all of the prohormones into these nano-scale micelles regardless of whether taken on an empty stomach or with a meal. The bioavailability is always maximized.

Another aspect of an optimized self-microemulsion formula is that it can deliver remarkable amounts of compounds in a very limited volume. In the case of MAG-10, what was previously a 9-mL dose in liquid form is now super-concentrated to about 4.6 mL.

Not only does this technology allow us to get the full power of MAG-10 into capsules, it's also makes the 4-AD-EC component substantially more bioavailable than before!

The bioavailability of the A1-E part of the old liquid MAG-10 formula was already over the top, but the 4-AD-EC part could've used some improvement. Well, thanks to microemulsion, that's now been achieved. Now, more 4-AD-EC can be driven into your system than ever before! Not only that, the A1-E component, which was already super-bioavailable, also received a significant boost. The result: an anabolic nuclear bomb packed into convenient, easy to swallow capsules.

Here's a peek at how all this works. You can't just take a liquid and stick it into a capsule. The capsule would dissolve before it dropped into the bottle, even if there's only 4% water in the formula. In fact, even when using certain oils, you have to use a specific pH or you just get total capsule meltdown.

With the MAG-10 microemulsion, we heat and bring the active ingredients into a full solution and fill the capsules while still warm. As the mixture cools to room temperature, it forms these extraordinarily fine, needle-like crystals inside a highly concentrated solution.

When you swallow one of these capsules, the contents warm up because of your body temperature and become, once again, this super concentrated self-microemulsifying formula. Then the capsule releases its contents and BAM!… you're soon infused with the powerful anabolic cocktail of MAG-10 with near-injection levels of bioavailability!

Posted by: Par Deus

All I know is they claimed close to 100% bioavailability with the original version, so you gotta wonder where the room for improvement is.

Posted by: OceanDude

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Originally posted by Par Deus
All I know is they claimed close to 100% bioavailability with the original version, so you gotta wonder where the room for improvement is.

It's an old marketing trick:
"product improvement" = less product = higher profit margin.

Posted by: BeerHunter

I used the original mag 10, double dosed, for eight weeks and saw no noticable gains. So if the new stuff is 30% better......nothin plus 30% is still nothin. I personally don't trust any products that recomend their diet and exercise program for you to follow. Most of the time , their diet and program is hardcore enough to get respectfull gains from without the product.

Posted by: gopro

Hyyyyyyyyppppppppeeeeee

Posted by: bigswole30

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Originally posted by dg806
Well BS, VPX ain't much better in price!

IMO, most are way overpriced!

How do you figure? Syngex at 2 doses per day for 4 weeks $96. Mag-10 at 2 doses per day for 4 weeks $180 at best.

Posted by: dg806

Actually worse than that.
MAG-10, 84 capsules $119.95
Servings per Bottle: 14
So you would need two bottles (if they are saying 6/day for 14 days) That would be 240 plus tax.

Posted by: bigswole30

Quote:

Originally posted by dg806
Actually worse than that.
MAG-10, 84 capsules $119.95
Servings per Bottle: 14
So you would need two bottles (if they are saying 6/day for 14 days) That would be 240 plus tax.

I was quoting the cheapest online. Buying direct from either would require a second mortgage.

Posted by: gopro

Awww, screw it! This stuff is so damn expensive, I'm just gonna use roids!!

(for comedic purposes only...gopro does not actually plan on ever using illegal steroids)

Posted by: Robert

If steroids were legal I would use them.

Posted by: OceanDude

I'm just a chicken ass I guess - afraid of the needle and afraid of the side effects. Too many roided out pros have problems in later life and frankly I DON't like the BIG MASS look. I'd be tickled to death to get anywhere near Zane's fluidity, proportions and looks. So, I'm with gopro - go natural (just wish I was as naturally gifted as he is).

Posted by: hardasnails1973

2 bottles of test - 100 bucks LOL

Posted by: Twin Peak

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Originally posted by bludevil
From what I gathered, the delivery system (capsules) is supposed to be better, which allows 30% more absorption of the 1t - 4ad hormone.

That's the fucking joke of it. With the original they claimed 100% absorbtion. Care to explain how that improved on that, by 30% nonetheless.

Can you say BS hype?

Posted by: gopro

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Originally posted by Twin Peak
That's the fucking joke of it. With the original they claimed 100% absorbtion. Care to explain how that improved on that, by 30% nonetheless.

Can you say BS hype?

C'mon TP, there's such thing as 130% absorption...

Posted by: dg806

Yeah, next will be 200%!

Posted by: BeerHunter

Is anyone here old enough to remember the hype behind Boron in the 80's? The claim was 300% increase in test levels. What they didnt tell anyone was that their test was on post-menopausal women!

Posted by: OceanDude

Oh yes beer - I remember that one. I think the same game was played with ZMA and post menopausal women...

Suppliment companies just constantly look for new research and grab anything they can put in a bottle that shows ANY link to positive effects. Few do their own research and still fewer understand what the hell it is they are reading in the journals...

Posted by: Twin Peak

OD, I agree. The state of affairs is disheartening, and often disgusting. Not all companies are like that, and stand by values.

Posted by: bludevil

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Originally posted by Twin Peak
OD, I agree. The state of affairs is disheartening, and often disgusting. Not all companies are like that, and stand by values.

Exaclty why I started this post. I thought Biotest was a pretty reputable company ableit all the marketing hype they put out. I thought it was suspicous about the 30% more claim. That's why I wanted everyone's opinion on the site. Guess I'll stick with Super one.

Posted by: gopro

I believe Biotest puts out some pretty good products, but some claims are just silly.

Posted by: Testosterone

Biotest makes all the steroid like claims keeping in mind that every single person has the INTENSITY and GENETICS of Dorian Yates!

Posted by: dg806

the whole box only has 8.4g of ph. How that is split between 1-test and 4/ad who knows? 1-test powder is $5/g and 4/ad is $1/g. Make a transdermal and you come out WAY cheaper!

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