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Posted by: dirtysicks

Oeffler
Oeffler, has anybody ever used this brand? I have heard it is extremely painful to inject being it is a propylene glycol based and many will drink this. It is a Veterinary grade AS. I was curious if anybody has ever used this brand and whether or not the pain is as extreme as I have been told and whether or not drinking it will be effective, should the dosage remain the same if drinking?

Posted by: BUSTINOUT

I believe you are referring to Loeffler. Sust hurt like hell and d-bol works pretty darn good. The injectable d-bol is really the only one you can drink.

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally posted by dirtysicks
whether or not drinking it will be effective

Drinking what? Some things you can most you cant. There is only one prescription oral testosterone that I'm aware of and its pretty much like a prohormone, andriol (and methyltestosterone). Also very expensive, most injectables are not drinkable.

Winstrol is about 1/2 as effective orally and passes through the liver twice instead of once (as when shot).

Posted by: SVEN73

A bad sunburn hurts alot worse & lasts 100% longer
Rub ut out after...u can def bear it...especialy when u see why u did it in the 1st place!

Posted by: dirtysicks

Are the gains on the Loeffler sust the same as other sust? What does this brand have a reputation for being so painful? I just want to make sure the pain is worth it, gains wise.

Posted by: BUSTINOUT

Not more than the sust they first came out with SVEN. That crap hurt worse the jurox suspension in the calf. Well, maybe not quite that much. lol Mix it with some deca or EQ if you are worried about the pain ds. for the most part it is not too bad. The 250mg/ml prop has some zing to it though...which is to be expected.

Posted by: BUSTINOUT

High alcohol content. I'm not a big fan of sust so my opinion is biased. I'd go with a single ester test instead though. and another brand if possible.

Posted by: dirtysicks

Does the alcohol content increase the side effect factor? Can I expect the same gains as another brand of sust?

Posted by: SVEN73

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Originally posted by BUSTINOUT
Not more than the sust they first came out with SVEN. That crap hurt worse the jurox suspension in the calf. Well, maybe not quite that much. lol

B]-NICE.....worse than WIN V to the o-ring??[/b]

Mix it with some deca or EQ if you are worried about the pain ds. for the most part it is not too bad. The 250mg/ml prop has some zing to it though...which is to be expected.

-Add some EQ anyway..gonna do it..do it all the way ...clap:

-Seriously...listen 2 B/O & MUDGE

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Posted by: Mudge

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Originally posted by dirtysicks
Does the alcohol content increase the side effect factor? Can I expect the same gains as another brand of sust?

Not sides, PAIN of injection and pain afterwards. The high alcohol is supposedly because the gear is dirty or they are just sloppy with thier formulas, I dont think anyone complains about Upjohn stuff other than price and low mg/ml. Sust also has prop which people complain about pain wise.

If you really want to start and you can't afford anything else you can buy some cheap sterile oil, 30ml or so for under $10 - get some sterile vials and make some kind of formula.

You want to keep the volume of injection down though, so if its 250mg/ml and you cut it in half (125mg/ml) and you want to do 500mg a week or something thats a whopping 4ccs which is a good bit of oil, certainly more than you'd want in one spot.

So 2cc sterile oil for every 3cc sust would be 150mg/ml thereafter as an example. With that in mind if your only doing 1cc a week or something the pain will probably be bearable, Ttokkyo sust is not that bad IMO I can tell you that (if you can find any thats legit still, rumors abound about them still). I would try to throw another oil in there though, even if its low mg/ml EQ or Deca or something.

Posted by: dirtysicks

Has anybody actually experienced gains with the Loeffler sust? I have done searches and a majority of the feedback is bad.

Posted by: gr81

Loeffler is not especially painful, it is more the type of compound that is painful, not the brand necessarily. The more test/ml, the higher the alcohol content, the more painful toi will be. I sucked down a bottle of Loeffler cyp no problem. I wouldn't advise drinking your shit bro. I don't know who is givin you advice but I would stop listening to them. I agree that you should just go with the single ester. Most likely cheaper and just as beneficial. Adding another drug like EQ or Deca is also a good idea like these guys mentioned

Posted by: dirtysicks

What kind of gains should I receive on a 2 month cycle at 1 dose every 4 days? (sust 250)

I am bugging out because I do not know whether this is quality shit, I know the source is legit, I am worried that the product itself is garbage.

Posted by: SVEN73

-U will make test ONLY gains....
-Does this put u at ease any.......
Substance: TESTOSTERONE BLEN
Trade Names:
Durandron (o.c.) 250 mg/ml; Organon ES
Sostenon 250 250 mg/ml; Organon Mexico, ES
Sustanon 250 mg/ml; Ravasini I
Sostenon 250 250 mg/ml; Organon GB, NL, FI, India, Russia, TK, CZ, BG
Sustanon'250' 250 mg/ml; Organon Thailand
Sustenon 250 250 mg/ml; Organon PT
Veterinary: Deposterone Gouglund Syntex Mexico
Testono'n 250 mg/ml; Ttokkyo Labs
Durateston250 250 mg/ml; Organon BZ

Remark: Testosterone propionate 30mg, Testosterone phenylpropionate 60 mg, Testosterone isocaproate 60 mg, Testosterone decanoate 100 mg

Sustanon is a very popular steroid which is highly appreciated by its users since it offers several advantages when compared to other testosterone compounds. Sustanon is a mixture of four different testosterones which, based on the well-timed composition, have a synergetic effect. This special feature has two positive characteris-tics for the athlete. First, based on the special combination effect of the compounds, Sustanon, milligram for milligram, has a better effect than Testosterone enanthate, cypionate, and propionate alone. Second, the effect of the four testosterones is time-released so that Sustanon goes rapidly into the system and remains effective in the body for several weeks. Due to the propionate also included in the steroid, Sustanon is effective after one day and, based on the mixed in decanoates, remains active for 3-4 weeks. Sustanon has a distinct androgenic effect which is coupled with a strong anabolic effect. Therefore it is well suited to build up strength and mass. A rapid increase in body strength and an even increase in body weight oc-cur. Athletes who use Sustanon report a solid muscle growth since it results in less water retention and also aromatizes less than either testosterone enanthate or cypionate. Indeed many bodybuilders who use testosterone and fight against distinct water retention and an elevated estrogen level prefer Sustanon over other long-acting de-pot testosterones.

It is further noticed that Sustanon is also effective when relatively low doses are given to well advanced athletes- It is interesting to note that when Sustanon is given to athletes who have already used this compound in the same or lower doses, it leads to similar good results as during the previous intake. Sustanon is usually injected at least once a week, which can be stretched up to 10 days. The dosage in bodybuilding and powerlifting ranges from 250 mg every 14 days up to 1000 mg or more per day. Since such high dosages are not recommended-and fortunately are also not taken in most cases-the rule is 250-1000 mg/week. A dosage of 500 mg/week is completely sufficient for most, and can often be reduced to 250-mg/ week by combining Sustanon with an oral steroid. Sustanon is well tolerated as a basic steroid during treatment which stimulates the regeneration, gives the athlete a sufficient "kick" for intense train-ing units, and next to the already mentioned advantage-rapid strength increase and solid muscle gain distinguishes itself also by its compatibility. In order to gain mass fast Sustanon is often com-bined with Deca-Durabolin, Dianabol or Anadrol while athletes who are more into quality prefer combining it with Parabolan, Winstrol, Oxandrolone or Primobolan.

Although Sustanon does not aromatize excessively when taken in a reasonable dosage many people, in addition, also take an antiestrogen such as Nolvadex and/or Proviron to prevent possible estrogen-linked side effects. Since Sustanon suppresses the endogenous testosterone production the intake of HCG and Clomid must be considered after six weeks or at the end of treatment. It is recommended that women not take depot testosterones since the androgen level would strongly increase and virilization symptoms could result. Despite this, it is not uncommon for female competing athletes in the higher weight classes to take testosterone since it helps in remaining "competi-tive." Women who use "Testo" or who would like to try it should limit its use to either only testosterone propionate or inject a maxi-mum of 250 mg Sustanon every 10-14 days over a period of no longer than six weeks. At this point we would like to emphasize once more that steroid novices should stay away from all testoster-one compounds since, at this time, they simply do not need them. The side effects of Sustanon are similar to those of Testosterone enanthate (see also Testosterone enanthate) only that they are usu-ally less frequent and less severe. Depending on the predisposition and dosage, the user can experience the usual androgenic-linked side effects such as acne, aggressiveness, sexual overstimulation, oily skin, accelerated hair loss, and reduced production of the body's own hormones. Water retention and gynecomastia are usually within limits with the "Sustas" or are not as massive as with enanthate and cypionate. Liver damage is unlikely with Sustanon (see Test-osterone enanthate); however, in very high dosages, elevated liver values can occur which, after discontinuing use of the compound, usually go back to normal. The fact that the liver is a very efficient organ and able to cope well with higher quantities of testosterone is confirmed in the book Doping-verbotene Arzneimittel im Sport by Dirk Clasing and Manfred Donike. On page 54 the authors state: "The liver is able to metabolize an almost unlimited amount of tes-tosterone (2 g of rat liver are able to break down 100 mg/day of testosterone). "

Sustanon is well distributed on the black market and readily avail-able. It is difficult to find the less frequently available original "Susta. " On the black market mostly the Russian or Indian 5ustanon 250 (see photos) is sold. The Indian Sustanon 250 is manufactured in Calcutta, India, by Organon and officially destined for export to Russia. Through Czechoslovakia, however, large quantities of this original Sustanon 250 are smuggled to Europe and the U.S. The Russian Sustanon 250 comes in a plastic film; printed in blue ink on the back are the name of the compound, the manufacturer, and the included substances (see photo). This imprint is either stamped on aluminum foil or on white paper. Five ampules are combined in one strip whereas each ampule is packaged individually. Original Sustanon 250 usually costs S 12 - 18 per ampule on the black mar-ket and is certainly worth the price. In the meantime there are also several fakes of the Russian version which, however, can be easily identified by the rounded corners of the label. The originals always have a label with sharp corners.

Posted by: gr81

First of all you don't know that your source is legit, no matter what you think, Loeffler in itself is not a garbage brand per say, but I would be wary of most mexican vet companies in general or horribly underdosed and untrustworthy. All that is just part of the game bro.
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