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Posted by: sikunt

Hey Guys

I have been in the gym for a couple years now and now thinking about using steroids.

I wanted to know if i was to use steroids for about a month, would i keep the muscle if i stopped using steroids but still kept working out.

I was thinking of just going on them for 2-3 weeks and then have a break then going on them for another copule weeks.

Is that a good idea???

thanks alot

Posted by: BUSTINOUT

What kind are you thinking about doing? Whatever you chose, a few weeks are not going to be enough. The only drugs you will see results in that time frame would be the oral drugs like d-bol or A50. And with these particular drugs you are likely to lose the largest percentage of what you gained since most of it will be water weight.

I would say research things more and start considering what your goals are. That may help you come to some decisions.

Posted by: BUSTINOUT

BTW...WELCOME!

Posted by: sikunt

Well im not really sure what kind of steroid i want specifically as i dont know all that much about them but i do wan an oral one.
I want a steroid that can get me a little bit bigger in 1-2 months and when i stop using it i still want to keep my muscle.
Could anybody suggest any steroids that can do this, id prefer oral steroids.

Posted by: Mudge

Nope, 4 weeks is long enough for an oral but orals are good for water retention and kick starting a cycle.

Your ready to attack the liver but you dont care for needles huh? If your going to break the law you may as well have something to show for it.

Posted by: sikunt

lol i think its just to much effort coz i dont want to be like a hardcore steroid user i only wanna do it for a couple of months.
But of course if you say dats not long enough for an oral to be able to keep the muscle later on then i would off course go on them for longer. My main reason that i dont want to go on them for long is because i dont wanna damage my body to much and i also dont want my dad to find out. (hed kick my ass lol)
So is there a steroids that can do this for me or what, or will it just all go away if i stop using them?

Thanks alot for your replies

Posted by: rookieisme

sik, you sound exactly like me

Posted by: sikunt

heheh yeahhh??
well can u maybe help me?
I just want some straight answers lol....what i need to do and how i need to do it to get what i want hehe

Posted by: Mudge

Get some 25g pins to inject with and you wont even notice them.

Posted by: dg806

You're looking for a quick fix and there are none. Orals are too hard on the liver and only give water gains. Injectables are better, but unless you stay on them, eventually you will loose that muscle. Better bet would be to really crack down on your diet and eat more clean protein. With enough rest and the right training program, you will grow.

Posted by: Mudge

Sorry but this whole "I dont care about my liver or kidneys but daaaaaaamn those needles!" seems assinine, go for the gold or just stick to something else.

Either way as DG said diet and training are still the basis for a physique no matter what your supplementing with.

Posted by: rookieisme

That sucks boys. I just want to get a good ten pounds on and keep it through maintenance lifting. Surely there is something that works. Ad-1? Stuff like that?

Posted by: Mudge

Try the supplement forum for 1-AD info.

Posted by: kennyc

I agree with the fella's. Sikunt, If you want half ass it, your gonna waste time , money, and same of your liver to boot. Go hard or go home!!! But they are right in the fact of a major part is diet and excersise. I hate to hear it all the time too, but it;s the fact;s brother. Good luck with whatever you decide.

Posted by: Tha Don

but say your diet is good, exercise is good, but you are struggling to make gains and you still ain't happy with your phisyic (i know i spelled that wrong)

surely there is something that you can take and get benefits from without having to keep on taking it for years and years

its hard to get knowledge on what products will work best (and i don't really wanna be testing every steroid on the market to find out)

peace

Posted by: sikunt

OK i think i get the point now lol
Why are injectables better than oral steroids anyway and why do orals damage your liver more?

Posted by: BUSTINOUT

Because anything you put in your mouth, goes through your liver...twice. Just because someone uses the needle does not make them more hardcore than an oral user...just more educated. Injectables have longer half lives(do a search...not up to explaining that one), stay in the system much longer. That does not necessarily mean they have more negative side effects either. But defitiely more benefits. There are some injectables that you may be able to keep a higher % age of your gains though. I'm not a believer that you lose everything you gain from AS.

Posted by: BUSTINOUT

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Originally posted by rookieisme
That sucks boys. I just want to get a good ten pounds on and keep it through maintenance lifting. Surely there is something that works. Ad-1? Stuff like that?

You can gain the 10lbs using the very same method as you would use to maintain the 10 lbs in the first place...EAT! TRAIN! SLEEP! Drugs are not needed for ten measly pounds

Posted by: gr81

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Originally posted by dg806
You're looking for a quick fix and there are none. Orals are too hard on the liver and only give water gains. Injectables are better, but unless you stay on them, eventually you will loose that muscle. Better bet would be to really crack down on your diet and eat more clean protein. With enough rest and the right training program, you will grow.

Agreed 100%, you have no business on drugs bro, keep it natural and you will see that 10 lbs easy. Spend that money on food and eat alot, its that easy.

Posted by: sikunt

So if injectables stay in your system longer does that mean you have to take them less or... for eg (take it ones a week but do 3 workouts) if u know what i mean.
where do you normally inject anyway?

Posted by: Mudge

You inject wherever you want intramuscularly, but you would be advised to use a spot that has a relatively low density of nerve endings. www.spotinjections.com

You take injectables for longer, orals are ONLY there to kick start a "real cycle," this is usually because people use longer acting esters because they only want to inject once a week. Say testosterone enanthate or cypionate, you can inject twice a week for steadier blood levels but for these two once a week is fine, same with Deca (not durabolin itself).

Most injectable cycles are 8-12 weeks, 8 is about perfect if you front load or just buy amps, amps are usually more expensive so vials are more often IMO the way to go and easier to deal with. You have a rubber stopper on top of the vial instead of having to break a glass jar so to speak.

But if all you want is 10 pounds then you can eat that in a week or two, 10 pounds on me is about 1/2"-3/4" on my arms, not hardly a damn thing.

Posted by: sikunt

hehe ok
Im not sure where that 10 pounds came from but it wasnt from me lol
All i want is to get lookgin good for summer as i find it quiet hard to loose fat.
I play soccer 3 times a week and do weights 3-4 times a week.

Posted by: gr81

your going to get on drugs to lose fat, is that your main purpose? if it is I ould advise against that, losing fat is the easiest thing in the world to do, despite what most women think, ha. Much easier than adding muscle, you don't need drugs for that.

Posted by: Mudge

Summer is about over dude, are you saying all you want is summer muscles or is this a lifelong thing your doing?

Posted by: sikunt

LOL No its not just summer muscle but i want it quick dats all.
I live in Australia by the way its still winter here now. hehe lol

Posted by: Tha Don

summer muscles

Posted by: RCfootball87

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Originally posted by young d
summer muscles

The people that go for "summer muscles" usually don' t have a clue what they're doing the first 2 months of summer and then by the end of the third they learned not to mix they're creatine in orange juice and they maybe gain five pounds. Either train hard or quit wasting your time.

Posted by: sikunt

lol i hav been training pretty hard but i hav a bit to much fat on me to see my muscles. hehe
But ive decided to stay of the roids for now well see in a copule of months how i go.

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally posted by sikunt
lol i hav been training pretty hard but i hav a bit to much fat on me to see my muscles. hehe
But ive decided to stay of the roids for now well see in a copule of months how i go.

yeah man, I'm rather lean but not as lean as I wanna be, I want to get my BF from 12.5% to .5% (lol, in other words as low as I can get it over the next few months), just gonna lower my portion sizes, try this IIT (intense interval training or whatever it is) on the days inbetween my weights and a bit of CV after my weights too, gradually increasing it and building up time/intensity till its gone

no droids needed for that (i hope! we'll soon find out)

just up your CV duke and watch ya diet, prob ain't gonna put on as much muscle but fuck i'm in a muscle building plateu atm so i don't care bout that

peace

Posted by: Mudge

HIIT, High Intensity Interval Training, supposed to be great but haven't yet tried it, still just walking.

Posted by: sikunt

I thought walking was the best excersie for fat burning.
Does it actually work or am i gonna b waisting my time while i cud be doing something better???
Geez this is turning into the fatloss section!!! ohh no

Posted by: Mudge

No, I like walking but ultra low impact is not "the best."

I love low impact stuff, but diet is key regardless of what you do, if you try to do it all by cardio your going to shave muscle too.

Posted by: rookieisme

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Originally posted by BUSTINOUT
You can gain the 10lbs using the very same method as you would use to maintain the 10 lbs in the first place...EAT! TRAIN! SLEEP! Drugs are not needed for ten measly pounds

You have no idea the intensity of my laziness

Posted by: firestorm

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Hey that is the best choice. bro,, I'm 225 and I'm not a steroid user. I'm natural and can say that everything I have I earned the hard way. Hard training and hard dieting. Believe me, you go natural, train hard eat right, get enough sleep and use the legal "cheaper" suppliments out there, you'll gain size and that is a promise. Remember that when you train natural,, what you gain you keep. (Unless of course you quit working out all together) There is nothing more depressing then using steroids and seeing the weight gain and muscles grow,, lits get heavier and then, Poof,, you start to see 5 pounds coming off the bar every workout when you should be adding 5 pounds. You train hard and yet you feel weaker. Believe me there are downsides to using steroids. My advise expecially since your youn is use your natural testosterone. Damn man,,, when you get to my age, those levels drop off and everything becomes harder. Right now your body is loaded with test. Use it!!!!

Posted by: sikunt

I think my problem is that i dont eat enough.
I have been working out quiet hard for the last 9 months but havent seen many improvements physically. Sure i got alot stronger but under all the fat you cant see the muscle.
The reason why i dont eat enough is because im scared that i will put on more fat. Any suggestions?

Posted by: firestorm

Let me ask you this. how often do you eat. How many times a day? Do you eat alot of carbs? Drink beer?
What you need to do is break you meals down and eat 5 to 6 times a day. Now I know I have a problem doing that because I hate to eat. I replace 3 meals a day with protein shakes. I also keep the proteins high the carbs moderate and the fats low. Also be sure to take in pleanty of water throughout the day.

Posted by: firestorm

You also can possibly be over training. Start keeping an online journal in the jounal section here and people as well as myself would be glad to look it over and make suggestions.

Posted by: sikunt

I eat about 4 times a day and i have 2 protein shakes on my workout days and 1 on non workout days or i will just have lots of fish or canned tune. And i dont drink very often either.
Now the only thing i keep track of is how many grams of protein i have, and then i just eat. I dont have any idea how much CHO and Fats i eat. I eat quiet a bit of bread to and i drink lots of full cream milk. I train 3-4 times a week (weights) and do cardio atleast twice a week.

Where is the Journal section.

Posted by: sikunt

Ouh and another thing....i rarely eat fruits and veggies. Like... i mean never, i might have some fruit every now and thenn but veggies...maybe once in 3 weeks LOL

Posted by: firestorm

Quote:

Originally posted by sikunt
I eat about 4 times a day and i have 2 protein shakes on my workout days and 1 on non workout days or i will just have lots of fish or canned tune. And i dont drink very often either.
Now the only thing i keep track of is how many grams of protein i have, and then i just eat. I dont have any idea how much CHO and Fats i eat. I eat quiet a bit of bread to and i drink lots of full cream milk. I train 3-4 times a week (weights) and do cardio atleast twice a week.

Where is the Journal section.

oh damn,, please stop eating all that bread and drinking that cream milk!!

Posted by: firestorm

oh and so we are finding out more and more about this man down under. no raw veggies? No fruits? where are you getting your carbs from?

Posted by: sikunt

LOL from Bread? i dont know. I just eat and thats it. The only thing im doing right is eating enough proteins (i think) lol
Everybody tells me jsut eat eat and eat if you wanna get big but i dont want to put on fat. What i do? lol

Posted by: sikunt

And ummm is it really so bad if i dont eat veggies...will it be a big advantege if i start eating them.

Posted by: firestorm

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Originally posted by sikunt
LOL from Bread? i dont know. I just eat and thats it. The only thing im doing right is eating enough proteins (i think) lol
Everybody tells me jsut eat eat and eat if you wanna get big but i dont want to put on fat. What i do? lol

You have no Idea how much I hate when I see people say that. Eat Eat and Eat. that is fuqing bullshit. They need to be more specific that just thowing that out there like that just for the reason you just said. don't listen to those morons bro.

you want to take in at least (Minimum 1 to 1 1/2 grams) of protein per pound of body weight. that is how you'll know your eating the right amount.
Now I don't count carbs and fat either. You want to know how I measured it? frozen mixed vegitables,,, reach in the bag and pull out 1 handful. that is one serving. Season with herbs no butter. When I ate fruit with a meal it was always half of whatever it was. half an apple, half an orange, half a banana etc. the other half was for 2 meals later. Grapefuit also is an awesome fruit. It is also a natual diuretic (helps you loose weight). As for fat,, never measured that either. It comes natually in the good foods you eat. oh and add yams in there too. they are an excellent food choice. Plus they are natually flavored rather then a regular potatoe. you can tollerate a yam without putting butter or whatever on it. toss in brown rice also in place of white potatoes or white rice.

Posted by: sikunt

Thanx alot man.
Do you have any suggestions on what sort of cardio is best for fat loss? I walk at the moment for about 35-40 mins.

But still i dont know where that journal section is lol

Posted by: Massed Bulk

To start using A/S you need ver very long Research.

Posted by: Massed Bulk

To start using A/S you need to research really really well.

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally posted by sikunt
Thanx alot man.
Do you have any suggestions on what sort of cardio is best for fat loss? I walk at the moment for about 35-40 mins.

But still i dont know where that journal section is lol

HIIT probably, look through the index to find the journal section.

ONLINE JOURNALS
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/fo...?s=&forumid=10

Posted by: Mudge

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You need to balance your diet, if your trying to bulk and cut at the same time you better get your diet learnin' on if you expect to achieve 2 shits of a result.

Posted by: sikunt

If I want to cut should i start doing lower weights and higher repetitions as well as do cardio???
Id much rather stick to what im doing now because ive been going great last few weeks, Ive been putting on kgs on every workout it feels great lol.

Posted by: sikunt

Putting on kg on the bar that is LOL

Posted by: BUSTINOUT

It it works, don't fix it.

I can drop fat fairly easy without changing my workout routine too much and hitting the cardio. I may shorten my rest time between sets, but that is about it for workout changes. And cut out the crap before bedtime.

Posted by: BUSTINOUT

Quote:

Originally posted by rookieisme
You have no idea the intensity of my laziness

Now that's my kind of answer...an honest one.

lol

Posted by: dg806

Quote:

Originally posted by rookieisme
You have no idea the intensity of my laziness

This goes to sikunt as well...................even with steriods, it is not easy. You still have to eat plenty and work your ass off, and get plenty of rest. No quick way! It takes years to build a good body. If you think you can get it quick or that steriods alone will do it, better get another hobby!

Posted by: Ahsan

HELLO FIRESTORM,
WOULD U TELL ME THAT WAT IS THE MEANIG OF THUIS:

"Right now your body is loaded with test. Use it!!!!"
PLZ RPLY ME

Posted by: Ahsan

HOW CAN V USE R TEST

Posted by: Mudge

I've seen young 20 something white guys with crappy test levels, not everyone is even at 300 much less "loaded." These are people who have never done gear.

Posted by: firestorm

Quote:

Originally posted by Ahsan
HELLO FIRESTORM,
WOULD U TELL ME THAT WAT IS THE MEANIG OF THUIS:

"Right now your body is loaded with test. Use it!!!!"
PLZ RPLY ME

your body produces testosterone naturally. the average guys testosterone levels are at their highest at age 17. so even if your a few years older then that, your testosterone levels are still very high. They lower as you get older. So what I was saying,, since you have a natural high test level,, train hard and you will probably see gains quicker then say,, someone my age 41. You and I can do the exact workout, have the same bodytype, and you could still gain more size then me.

Posted by: firestorm

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Originally posted by Mudge
I've seen young 20 something white guys with crappy test levels, not everyone is even at 300 much less "loaded." These are people who have never done gear.

Sure mudge but statisticly speaking, if those young guys you speak of have such low levels then they will only drop off more as they get older.

Posted by: Mudge

Quote:

Originally posted by firestorm
Sure mudge but statisticly speaking, if those young guys you speak of have such low levels then they will only drop off more as they get older.

Thats common sense is it not? Seeing how that happens to all of us when we get old.

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You and I can do the exact workout, have the same bodytype, and you could still gain more size then me

Maybe, maybe not. Via hyperplasia you have made permanent and everlasting changes thanks to your own use, this has been proven. You are not neccessarily ever normal again after you stop using.

Posted by: firestorm

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge
Thats common sense is it not? Seeing how that happens to all of us when we get old.

Yes I think it's common sense as do you but I was just answering that young mans question. He asked me to explain.

Maybe, maybe not. Via hyperplasia you have made permanent and everlasting changes thanks to your own use, this has been proven. You are not neccessarily ever normal again after you stop using.

ok ok,, I didn't mean "me" exactly, It was a hypothetical "me". I didn't want to get too deep answering this question really. I didn't even bring up genetics. Genetically speaking you could have argued my point also. but I was trying to just give simple to understand examples for the fella.

Posted by: firestorm

Oh P.S. Mudge,, put that damn medical book away you bastard. hahahahahaha

Posted by: Mudge

There is no substitute for hard work and a good diet, I will never disagree with that

Posted by: firestorm

thumbs up and a slap on the ass right back at ya big guy. hahahaha

Posted by: Mudge

I have never ever understood the ass slapping thing.

Posted by: firestorm

Me either Mudge actually kinda gay if you ask me but I gave you a cyber slap on the ass so it doesn't count. lol

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