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Posted by: BcHawk_99

i have been reading alot on this erogpharm 1-AD and also my gym carries the stuff.is it all that it is hyped up to be.would it pack on good muscle.i have been taking cell tech and animal stak for sometime now and want to give my body something different.would this be a good muscle building supplement and would it pack on the muscle fast as close as to being a steroid from what i heard.

Posted by: Pepper

I've been taking it a couple of weeks...here are my thoughts....

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...threadid=21238

Posted by: gopro

Ergopharm 1-AD is a good product, period. It works well for almost all that use it and does not carry many side effects for most. However, it is inferior to 1-Test products as 1-AD must convert to 1-Test in the body to be effective. I say, go with 1-Test and skip the conversion process. However, if you choose 1-AD, you still should enjoy results.

Posted by: kdwa1

Hi Gopro,Can you recommend a good oral 1-Test other than VPX? Tks!

Posted by: gopro

Quote:

Originally posted by kdwa1
Hi Gopro,Can you recommend a good oral 1-Test other than VPX? Tks!

No I can't! Well, I can, but I feel bad b/c I know VPX is the best there is! Oh well, here are some lesser, but quality brands to choose from.

PROMATRIX TESTABOL
MOLECULAR T-1 ETHERGELS
SAN T-100
SYNTRAX SAUCE

Posted by: oaktownboy

Quote:

Originally posted by gopro
No I can't! Well, I can, but I feel bad b/c I know VPX is the best there is! Oh well, here are some lesser, but quality brands to choose from.

Posted by: kdwa1

Thanks,but don't worry I'll check out VPX,I promise.Do they have an oral? I thought it's all transdermal..
Haven't heard much good about sauce.I think Molecular and San are interesting.Tks

Posted by: gopro

Quote:

Originally posted by kdwa1
Thanks,but don't worry I'll check out VPX,I promise.Do they have an oral? I thought it's all transdermal..
Haven't heard much good about sauce.I think Molecular and San are interesting.Tks

VPX is all oral liquids! We have 1-Test PCE and 1-Test cyp. They are liposomal polylipid delivery...the best in the industry!

Posted by: gopro

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Originally posted by oaktownboy

Posted by: BcHawk_99

so are you saying the vpx 1-test is better than the 1-ad.im just trying to find a product that would work the best for my money.although 1-ad is available at my gym.i acn never find the vpx 1-test anywhere.i live in canada.any suggestions.

Posted by: kdwa1

Thanks Gopro,
Looks like good product but a bit pricey for me.1fast 400 has a 1-Test powder,tried it? Any good? $4.00 per gram Tks

Posted by: oaktownboy

the good shit will always be pricey dawg

Posted by: oaktownboy

VPX makes quality products, straight up, huh GP?

Posted by: gopro

Quote:

Originally posted by oaktownboy
VPX makes quality products, straight up, huh GP?

They really do. I was paying their prices loooong before working for them. I never would buy direct from their website (they would kill me if they knew I said that), but from a discounter like dpsnutrition.

You get what you pay for in this biz!

Posted by: gopro

Quote:

Originally posted by BcHawk_99
so are you saying the vpx 1-test is better than the 1-ad.im just trying to find a product that would work the best for my money.although 1-ad is available at my gym.i acn never find the vpx 1-test anywhere.i live in canada.any suggestions.

Most 1-Test is better than 1-AD. VPX is the best 1-Test out there, but if you can't get it, you can go with one of those I mentioned above.

Posted by: gopro

Quote:

Originally posted by kdwa1
Thanks Gopro,
Looks like good product but a bit pricey for me.1fast 400 has a 1-Test powder,tried it? Any good? $4.00 per gram Tks

Never tried any powdered forms. I like my stuff encapsulated or prepared for me without hassle. Delivery systems are very important with prohormones and its hard to prepare yourself what other companies do in a real lab with real chemists.

That said, 1fast is very very reputable in terms of their products and service.

Posted by: kdwa1

Thanks Go Pro I'll check out DPS for pricing and defnitely consider.I trust your judgement.
I have one important question.Are u worried about the changes in your LDL cholesterol level when on Pro Hormones? And when off cycle do we recover normal levels quickly?Tks again

Posted by: ZECH

Quote:

Originally posted by kdwa1
Thanks Gopro,
Looks like good product but a bit pricey for me.1fast 400 has a 1-Test powder,tried it? Any good? $4.00 per gram Tks

The 1-test base is meant to be put in a gel for transdermal use!

Posted by: Twin Peak

Although you could drink it.

Posted by: gopro

Quote:

Originally posted by kdwa1
Thanks Go Pro I'll check out DPS for pricing and defnitely consider.I trust your judgement.
I have one important question.Are u worried about the changes in your LDL cholesterol level when on Pro Hormones? And when off cycle do we recover normal levels quickly?Tks again

If you stick to a clean diet while on prohormones with EFAs and clean carbs and proteins, you shouldn't see much of a change in your HDL/LDL. However, once off the cycle your body should quickly restore its balance. I like short cycles of PH/PS so that any negative change in bloodwork can be quickly restored and will not cause much of a negative impact. The longer you "compromise" your system, the better chance the possible side effects can "take hold" and cause damage.

Posted by: kdwa1

Great info GoPro,When you say short cycle,How long are we talking about? I'm starting my next cycle on Sunday using Twin Peaks carb cycling this time and diet is CLEAN.
I usually go for a month on month off and don't go for high dosages.Suggestions? Tks Appreciate

Posted by: ZECH

4 weeks is a good cycle.

Posted by: gopro

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Originally posted by dg806
4 weeks is a good cycle.

As dg points out, 4 weeks is a good length. 6 weeks is maximum in my book.

Posted by: Twin Peak

I agree with gopro, most of the people who do cycles longer than 6 weeks, find little additional gains, plus the recovery time will be longer.

Posted by: Pepper

I am going to start decreasing 1-ad in the fifth week while beginning 6-oxo. At the end of week 5, I will be off 1-ad...how long should I continue 6-oxo?

This thread has been a huge help to me, you guys are great!

Posted by: Tank316

Just a few words. Its nice to see that all you guys[TP,DG,GP] are working together to provide info on the PH's, its use, the do's the dont's. thats cool.

that is all

Posted by: Twin Peak

Quote:

Originally posted by Pepper
I am going to start decreasing 1-ad in the fifth week while beginning 6-oxo. At the end of week 5, I will be off 1-ad...how long should I continue 6-oxo?

This thread has been a huge help to me, you guys are great!

Its not worth decreasing, as gains will cease and your own test levels will not begin to rebound. Drop it cold turkey and run 6-oxo for 2-3 weeks depending on your dose.

Posted by: ZECH

6-oxo @ 600mg a day with evening meal........................(I know this will come up)

Posted by: Pepper

Quote:

Originally posted by dg806
6-oxo @ 600mg a day with evening meal........................(I know this will come up)

you got it...nice anticipation

Posted by: kdwa1

Great feedback guys.I appreciate some of the top players responding.
How about doing a 1-AD 6 OXO stack,then after cycle ends continue with the 6 OXO for a couple more weeks? Off completely for two weeks and cycle again.Sound feasible? Also considering the 1-test to replace the AD after I run out.Tks

Posted by: Twin Peak

I don't think its cost effective to run both 1-AD and 6-oxo. The additional gains, if any, would be minimal. But if you have money to burn....

Posted by: kdwa1

I wish I had money to burn.I'll take your advice and cycle it after 1-AD,1-Test or stack 4-AD.Thanks,gotta keep learnin this stuff.

Posted by: gopro

Quote:

Originally posted by Tank316
Just a few words. Its nice to see that all you guys[TP,DG,GP] are working together to provide info on the PH's, its use, the do's the dont's. thats cool.

that is all

Always the gentleman (a huuuuuge gentleman)

Posted by: gopro

I just had a guy write me with the success of this cycle, which I put him on (yes it contains 1-AD which is not sold by VPX, but he really wanted to try it first):

weeks 1-3: 600 mg 1-AD
week 4: 600 mg 1-AD and 8cc of Aromadex
weeks 5-7: 8 cc Aromadex
weeks 8-10: 2 cc 1-TEST cyp
week 11: 2 cc 1-TEST cyp and 8 cc Aromadex
weeks 12-14: 8 cc Aromadex

He is in week 13 and has gained 14 lbs with no increase in bodyfat.

Thought this may help.

Posted by: kdwa1

WOW! What a cycle dude.Not sure I could follow it.But what is aromdex?

Posted by: gopro

Quote:

Originally posted by kdwa1
WOW! What a cycle dude.Not sure I could follow it.But what is aromdex?

It is VPXs post-cycle hormonal "recovery" product. It combines OXO and h-AD4 to increase test output and decrease estrogen. I feel it is one step up from Ergo's 6-OXO, similar to how 1-Test is a step up from 1-AD. But if you have 6-OXO already, that is still great to use.

Posted by: kdwa1

Thanks GP,Youvé always got the info.Your definitley up to date on the latest gear.Cool! I'll run the AD and OXO then rethink next cycle.

Posted by: gopro

Quote:

Originally posted by kdwa1
Thanks GP,Youvé always got the info.Your definitley up to date on the latest gear.Cool! I'll run the AD and OXO then rethink next cycle.

You are welcome!

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