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Originally posted by Jodi Actually that Twin Peak 
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Originally posted by _Aj Any new developments since you wrote that article. And can you apply something like it for a bulking phase. If So, can you PM me some details. Thanks. AJ |
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Originally posted by hardasnails1973 cycle calories is fine if you get fat add in 2-3 sessions of HIT cardio to offset fat gain. keep caloires where they are |
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Originally posted by Jodi Actually that Twin Peak
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Originally posted by _Aj Thanks Dante and Hardasnails. Currently I weigh 180llbs and BF is well I test under 10 but have the majority around my stomach with some loose skin, So I am hoping to bulk a little and then use this type of diet to cut. Waist is 34.5 and I measure 25mm on a skinfold around the gut. Chest an triceps are both under 10mm. What do you suggest I start my cals/protein/fat intake at. And high High do you suggest I go go with my carb load days. I do plan on doing hiit am just take in carbs post workout in the form of oatmeal. Now all I need is rough estimates as I HATE counting cals. I do a per meals basis now, eating 8 meals a day and getting 25-50g protein per meal and fat is 15-30 per meal, with some protein and veggie meals in there. My calorie level is roughly 2000-2600 depending on how long my day is, eating every 2-3hrs at the very most 4. A couple more questions, at what rate does your body start converting protein into glucose and causing a insulin response. Overall I do better low carbing it. As my carb load have gotten preety high. So this is why I think that I can have success with a diet like this. Btw, I gain fat pretty easily. So I will moniter all the way, Ideally I would like to bulk up to 200llbs at least. Thanks, and I am looking forward to your next article. I am a frequent visitor on Avants site. |
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Originally posted by Jodi Similar to a DP & w8 plan. |
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Originally posted by Premo55 TP, I'm VERY interested in using your diet as a bulking diet, when I was cutting I used DP+W8's plan (three sub-35g carb days, one carb-up day at the last meal), got down to 5%/6% while doing quite a bit of HIIT, and I've been basically eating maintenance calories for the past two and a half months, and have returned to around 8 or 9%. I want to put on some quality LBM with minimal fat gain, and I was wondering if your plan or DP's conventional slow-carb bulk plan would be a better option for me...WIth my experience with cyclical diets, I know my body handles them VERY well, and I actually enjoy low or no carb days because of the spartan control I can exercise on my diet...I predict even on high carb days I'll still be measuring stuff, though, I can't allow myself to gratuitously gorge on stuff...Let me know, though, great article, btw...Jodi, any words of advice here? Conceptually I think this is my plan... Monday- High (Quads, calves) Tuesday-Low (Chest, triceps) Wednesday- No (Rest day) Thursday- High (Back, biceps) Friday- Low (Shoulders, traps) Saturday- No (Rest day) Sunday- High (Hamstrings and lower back) Would this work out? On maintenance I've been eating like the low-carb days, anyway, so I don't see how it would be excruciating for me, this diet seems even less stringent than my present maintenance diet (I'm taking in less than 150g of carbs daily right now, I'm 6'0" 170, taking in approx. 2200-2300 cals daily), I'm definitely gonna use it as my next cutting diet... Peace. |
The only thing your eating that day that contains any significant carbs is your 3 meals of veggies but don't worry about that.
If thats the case i could see it being a real SOB getting 300-400g of protein with out a least a shake or two.
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Originally posted by Calmdwn Thanks Jodi. So then on no carb days, should i not eat any protein powder or cottage cheese since they have between 3-4g of sugar per serving. I know its not a lot, but enough servings and it could add up by the end of the day. Sorry, im compulsive so i have to ask the questions! If thats the case i could see it being a real SOB getting 300-400g of protein with out a least a shake or two.
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Originally posted by _Aj How far should I space meals out on High Carb day. And on High Carb day if I cannot make it the last meal of the day, what do you suggest I eat for the remainder of the day. Awesone thread BTW. I am going to have my first High carb day in a few days I will post my results. |
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Originally posted by Calmdwn Thanks Jodi. So then on no carb days, should i not eat any protein powder or cottage cheese since they have between 3-4g of sugar per serving. I know its not a lot, but enough servings and it could add up by the end of the day. Sorry, im compulsive so i have to ask the questions! If thats the case i could see it being a real SOB getting 300-400g of protein with out a least a shake or two.
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Originally posted by Calmdwn Ok, thanks Jodi & Leslie. I started this morning. I decided to start with no carb today and tomorrow. Then start a high, no, low, no cycle. Any objections to this plan? Cant wait to see the results!
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Originally posted by Calmdwn In the last year i have lost 70lbs. Last october i was 5' 11" 262lbs, and im now between 190-195lbs. I know the reason i got that heavy was gluttonous eating of all the wrong foods. But i know many people who ate as bad or worse then me, and they stayed fairly lean. So that leads me to believe i hold on to fat more easily then the average person. Thats why i chose the cycle i did. I could be way off the mark thinking this way, but that is my reasoning. Would you suggest i start with the hi, low, no? |
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Originally posted by naturalguy Since you asked about objections, I can't help but throw my 2 cents in................................ I do agree with carb cycling, only I would NEVER do a no carb day. What I don't agree with is following a 3 day schedule because your very low and no carb days will fall on training days, it is extremely counterproductive to train on a no or very low carb day. The way I do it is on my non training days (for me monday, wed., friday) I do lower carbs and on my training days it is higher carbs timed around my workouts. |
I beleive he was referring to Jodi OR Leslie. I didnt see your name there. He is following Twin Peaks carb cycle NOT your way. So "your way" is different than the carb cycle, and since you have never done it, you cannot say what the no carb day is like. I train fine on no carb day, and even broke some personal records. The diet is written the way it is for a reason. I am getting really tired of reading your posts against the cycle or no carb days. There are many paths to success and YOUR way is not the only or best way for some to achieve it
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Originally posted by Leslie I beleive he was referring to Jodi OR Leslie. I didnt see your name there. He is following Twin Peaks carb cycle NOT your way. So "your way" is different than the carb cycle, and since you have never done it, you cannot say what the no carb day is like. I train fine on no carb day, and even broke some personal records. The diet is written the way it is for a reason. I am getting really tired of reading your posts against the cycle or no carb days. There are many paths to success and YOUR way is not the only or best way for some to achieve it Sorry for the rant, but my last nerve has been hit. |
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Originally posted by naturalguy Very interesting perspective Leslie, IF you were paying attention, I was not getting involved in this post, I was reading it and this person ASKED if anyone had any objections so I thought that since this is America and and open forum that people are allowed to voice their opinions I thought I would share my experience and help this person. This perosn directed his question to me or Jodi. In other words people who have used the plan HE chose to do. He was asking for objections of the cycle ORDER not whether no carb day was ok with you. You are certainly entitled to freedom, but if he has decided to follow the carb cycle, you advice does not comply, as you have nothing to do with this plan. And you are correct I have never done a no carb day, I have done extremely low carb days and I have worked with bodybuilders that have done no carb days and I know that for a natural athlete that it is catabolic and you cannot train at your best. Everyone is different. I am a natural body builder and while I lost body fat, I actually gained a lil LBM on this cut. For bulking or gaining mass, obviosly the carb cylce would need to be modified- and it is by adding more high days and less no, just for that reason. I find it funny that when I give my opinion that I am attacked however what you and Jodi say is law. Why is that? Is it because you have a "moderator" title under your name? What qualifies you as a moderator? Being a moderator doesn't me know it all by any means. Its our experienced opinions as well. This member obviously knows there are other options and has chosen to come to us for his advice because its a plan he would like to try. Instead of accepted this you tend to bash the plan and say its not the best option. Why can't you just accept when certain members wish to experiement with something that you don't agree with? These are exactly some reasons why people are NOT chosen to be a mod |
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Originally posted by hardasnails1973 Leslie, Most likely I will see you in about 3 weeks : ) |
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Originally posted by naturalguy Leslie, This is SUPPOSED to be an open, public forum. If you don't want other peoples opinions or ideas on here then make it a private website. You just ASSUMED that this person doesn't want to hear all their options. Well a good hint for ya would have been, "Hey Jodi or Leslie" . If you looked you would notice that he posts questions frequently when he's looking for advice. Knowing all your options is important but you seem to be on a hunt to seek and destroy and specifially target certain threads and I'm not the only one that notices this  You need to go back a re-read my post. I did not bash TP's carb cycling program. In fact if you go back to TP's post when he announced his article came out, I actually said it was a good program, of course I gave my critique to it because I am not a sheep who just follows something because some one said it. No-one said you were a sheep, an you shouldn't be. You have a right to your opinion but your opinion doesn't budge. It appears that its your way or its the wrong way It's funny but anytime I have a debate on here with people who follow the program and I ask them why they do certain things, the only answer I get back is "because TP said so". Bullshit...........Who are you quoting here anyway. I know myself and Leslie have minds of our own and have well educated ourselves long before we started TP's Carb Cycling plan. In fact I was a moderator for months before I started his plan and have helped several people with my own knowledge. Look and read before you speak. It may do you a well of good. You post the same advice every day without reading, or researching or asking questions. You don't try and find out more info..............you ASS-U-ME Have you ever seen the Seinfeld episode with the soup nazi? I think your name should be changed to the "forum nazi". Whatever
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Originally posted by nikegurl yep - it does seem that naturalguy is on a mission in certain threads to provoke and start arguements when there's nothing to "fight" about. it strikes me as very bad manners for a newbie to be so eager to characterize board "veterans" like leslie and joid who have devoted many hours to helping tons of members. the idea that jodi and leslie think carb cycling is the "only way" is absurd...but of course you'd KNOW that if you bothered to read more and argue less. |
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Originally posted by _Aj Also Here is a question. I am planning on taking a week off from training. Should I do any high Carb days, or just do one when I get back. |
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Originally posted by _Aj Guys, Gals, come on this is getting to be way too off topic arguement rather than a discussion about Carb Cycling. Although I do tend to agree with Leslie because I feel great with low to no carb day, and have also broke some PB. It actually when I injest carbs I get to lethargic, unmotivated, and tired from training. Also Here is a question. I am planning on taking a week off from training. Should I do any high Carb days, or just do one when I get back. |
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Originally posted by nikegurl J'Bo - I think you're not seeing the same pattern that I see with naturalguy. He seems to be making a real habit of confronting Jodi and sometimes Leslie for no real reason. He is completely entitled to his opinions but in this particular thread no one was asking for his. The question was about how to utilize the eating plan not IF. And neither Jodi nor Leslie have ever insisted that this plan is the "be all and end all" for everyone. They both like it for many reasons but are open to lots of other eating plans as well. I can vouch that I've changed my eating countless times and never stopped getting help from both ladies - with or without carb rotation. not everyone's intentions are good. i truly believe that naturalguy is NOT just someone with a different view entitled to express it. we're all entitled to that. it definitely seems like he looks for chances to express it and make personal attacks against Jodi - it's a real pattern. this is the first time i've said anything but it's far from the first time it's happened |
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