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I will never use effedrin again !

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Posted by: seth042280

OK so to start .
last week on bench day . I was feeling sluggish and crappy so i took some yellow jackets to get revived before the workout.
all of a sudden during the workout I felt great and recharged.
I benched
235 x5 235 x5 255x3 235 x5 235 x5

this week I figured since this stuff worked so well last week that surely it would work again this week .....wrong...I took it around 530 or 6 and didnt get to workout until around 930 (due to some undisciplined yahoo's who couldnt get there on time )I really hate that ,.... So I get on the bench and got the 235 off and I knew something was wrong from the get go . I out it up 5 times . but it was like my body had never felt that weight before. so I tried again and again and again. I could not understand why I could not put this up like I usually do . I went down in weight and same thing. couldnt do it more than 3.....I sat there of course mad at myself ...and I figured that while I was sitting there waiting for these idiots to show up ...I completely missed the window for this stuff to work and in doing so I used up all of my natural energy with it ....I then couldnt eat dinner cause I felt sick to my stomache and went to the B-room like 3 times ....i have come to the conclusion that i was doing fine before natural and I can keep progressing if I just stay off the gas station juice...sorry so long winded


Posted by: BabsieGirl

what did you eat prior to your work out?


Posted by: gr81

it isn't teh yellow jackets man, iy is you. I am a big ephedrine user and I never take 6, that is crazy and stupid to say the least. it is people like you who know nothing about teh supp and just pop hella that are giving it a bad name with your irresponsibility. It can be a great supp, but it can also be dangerous if you abuse teh shit like that, you need to be careful. you don't need to takje more than 50 mgs of ephedrine IMO, that is 2 pills. anymore than that and you might as wel go and tweek before your WO. be smart and be careful.


Posted by: seth042280

[quote]Originally posted by gr81
it isn't teh yellow jackets man, iy is you. I am a big ephedrine user and I never take 6, that is crazy and stupid to say the least.

read very carefully and do not skim my post .I only took 2

"I took it around 530 or 6 and didnt get to workout until around 930 "


Posted by: Skib

i don't think it's fair to blame the ephedrine though bro

it could've been anything... what you ate, muscle fatigue, the fact that you waited so long to train after you took the ephies...

basically, ephedrine is a stimulant, so when the "drug" wears off, you "crash"... haven't you noticed how the stuff practically makes you high? you feel great when you're on it, but once it wears off, you become slightly tired, sluggish, energy drained and irritable... or so i find... if you're going to train with ephedrine, i think the most effective way is to take it a half hour or so prior to training...

hope that helped...


Posted by: gr81

my bad, I thopught you said taht you took 6, I didn't realize taht you wre talkin about teh time. you didn't use a : in the numbers. either way, you went too long before eating anythiong, that was probably the problem man. no food for 4 hrs or so while training.


Posted by: plouffe

I've had a few bad experiences with Vitiman E [ Ephedrine ]. But once I got used to it and found out the dosage, time to take befour a workout, etc. I found that it gave me a decent boost in the gym ; and about the Yellow Jackets, they contain alot of caffiene which probally caused a " gastrointestinal disturbance " - basically a stomach aches, nausea. So maybe try a differnet energy pill and see how that works.


Posted by: HoldDaMayo

I really like ECA stack... i know it's nothing special or NEW!!! or SUPER SCIENTIFIC!! but... it does work and I function very normally at work and in the gym... although it does slightly affect my CONTROL OF THE CAPS lock ON my KEYBOARD!!!!



Posted by: perfecto

Quote:
Originally posted by Skib

basically, ephedrine is a stimulant, so when the "drug" wears off, you "crash"... haven't you noticed how the stuff practically makes you high? you feel great when you're on it, but once it wears off, you become slightly tired, sluggish, energy drained and irritable... or so i find... if you're going to train with ephedrine, i think the most effective way is to take it a half hour or so prior to training...

hope that helped...
That sounds alot like exstacy/speed, no wonder than stuffs banned in Australia.


Posted by: HoldDaMayo

um... it's nothing like that... trust me... it's just like taking too much allergy medicine...


Posted by: perfecto

ive herd of ppl on ephedrin rushin so hard off their tits that theve actually had heartattax, then again might just be rumours...


Posted by: gr81

dude, please do not comment on the supp unless you have researched it and know what you are talking about. Speculation is how misinformation is continued. To compare Ephedrine to X is ridiculous. It is a very safe drug as long as you use it correctly and do not have preexisting heart conditions.


Posted by: perfecto

well thats why i said they mite be rumours


Posted by: gr81

I wasn't trying to be rude, I just wanted to clarify.


Posted by: perfecto

yer no worries, i saw a post of yours in the open chat forum, you said sumethin like rule #6 is dont answer ure fone on the weekend so the chic thinx ure wit other chix, thats some true shit, wat were the other rules?


Posted by: gr81

good man, I will drop it for ya, peep some leykis 101
1) never spend more than $40 on a date.
2) If a woman doesn't sleep with you by the 3rd date, move on.
3) no coffee dates, you want the date 2 involve boos of some kind
4) If you take her to dinner, eat before you go and then order a salad or something. What girl is gonna order and eat more than you on a date!
5) 101 students NEVER date single mothers
6) If a chick answers her phone while she is out with you, leave right away! It could be the guy she is going to see after you take her to dinner, and even if it isn't, it is rude.
7) learn to master the back-handed compliment. the lower a womens self esteem is the more likely she is to sleep with you.
8) don't call a broad more than once a week if you are just trying to nail her, and when you do, preferably later on at night.

there are more rules but those are the basics. ha ha, if you want the entire list let me know. enjoy
PS. on a side note, if you are a woman and these offend you, please to not get all worked up. these are not rules on having a successful relationship, they are strickly rules to get laid.


Posted by: Dante B.

Quote:
they are strickly rules to get laid.
Anyone who actually listens to that nonsense deserves to be destroyed.

And, this is a training forum, where women (and men) may actually be interested in useful advice pertaining to the subject matter.

Perfecto, chicks really dig a guy who gets his sex-tips from an internet whackjob.

To the original poster:

Yes, that will happen when you lead your body to produce an excess of stimulatory hormones. If you wait until you crash before you lift, it will be as though you just woke up in the morning, after a half-hour of sleep, and decided to toss some iron.

There are plenty of studies on the ECA stack, and it has an impressive safety profile. If it's not used wisely, or by the right person, then the issue changes.


Posted by: perfecto

ahahahhaha yer for sure i want the whole list


Posted by: gr81

Quote:
Originally posted by Dante B.
Anyone who actually listens to that nonsense deserves to be destroyed.

And, this is a training forum, where women (and men) may actually be interested in useful advice pertaining to the subject matter.

Perfecto, chicks really dig a guy who gets his sex-tips from an internet whackjob.

dude, you are takin it just a bit too serious man, watch who you are calling a wack job please. you don't know me and I certainly don't deserve to be destroyed, what ever the hell that is supposed to mean. next time I post I will run it by you to see if it is acceptable. By the way you may not like it, it may not sound good but those rules work.


Posted by: Dante B.

Quote:
next time I post I will run it by you to see if it is acceptable
Good deal.

Quote:
By the way you may not like it, it may not sound good but those rules work.
Be that as it may, I will not put out for a guy like you. I ain't your typical girlie.


Posted by: perfecto

no one was askin you to put out


Posted by: Dante B.

Why not Is it because I'm 6' 230? I'm not good enough for you? Oh well, I guess I'm too much woman for y'all.

To the original poster, if you want studies and such, I can provide them. But concerns of safety, I gather, wasn't the issue in your situation.

What you experienced can happen with caffeine alone, as well. If you're particulary stressed out in a given day, such products can actually enervate, not energize you. That is also something to take into consideration.


Posted by: plouffe

Quote:
Originally posted by perfecto
That sounds alot like exstacy/speed, no wonder than stuffs banned in Australia.

XTC?! lol if it was like XTC would it cost 20 bucks for like 100 servings?


Posted by: perfecto

man i dunno how much they cost we dont get em over here


Posted by: Skib

as previously stated above, to compare ephedrine to ecstasy is ludicrous to say the least... they have nothing in common whatsoever other than the fact that they're both stimulants...

i've seen ecstasy range from $5-$35 a pill... depends on the quality and how much you buy... i'd say $15 is the average price though... but enough about this drug talk... let's focus on the important stuff


Posted by: perfecto

$15 thats pretty cheap, they usually cost $35-40 around here, but yer end of drugs convo


Posted by: calalily1972

Quote:
Originally posted by Dante B.
Why not Is it because I'm 6' 230? I'm not good enough for you? Oh well, I guess I'm too much woman for y'all.


You are a man's man Dante, I'm sure you'll find a guy soon to really appreciate all 230lbs you have to offer. Don't fret.




Posted by: HoldDaMayo

I would see a 230 pound 6'3" woman as a challenge... I can barely satisfy one that's 5'6" 120lb, oh well... I guess it couldn't hurt to try...

oh wait, i guess it could hurt.... BADLY!!!




Posted by: seth042280

thanks to everyone who posted.
dante B thanks for the info . I did exactly what you said I felt like I just woke up ....maybe the title of this thread was a little off. I wasnt saying I hate effedrin . I was just saying that my experience sucked and I am probably better off just going el natural ...I want the extra energy but its enough to calculate when i eat and how much I am lifting and all of the other factors to throw that in also . . lets just say this ...if taken right you can see awesome energy but if taken wrong in my case .it can really suck .


Posted by: Skib

seth i can relate buddy don't worry

i don't think i'm going to bother training tonight as i've already taken my ECA on 2 seperate occasions today... once this morning before my swim and again at noon... i worked till 6 and right now i'm so energy drained it's not even funny... i was supposed to train back and biceps tonight but because back days are so important to me i might just wait until tomorrow morning so i can focus more on doing a good job rather than settling for a mediocre work out tonight...

this has been a lazy week for me... i took the weekend off, only did cardio on monday, did chest and triceps tues morn, probably taking tonight off (but did some cardio this morn)

that leaves me thurs, fri and sat to squeeze in back, bi's, legs, shoulders and traps

i won't be able to train sunday but monday i'm going to resume back to my regular schedule and starting monday i'm also taking a month off my ECA "cycle"


Posted by: plouffe

" It's funny when you have decide weither to buy drugs or supplements with your cash " - plouffe


I used to into that shit, but i get more satisfaction out of lifting..


Posted by: perfecto

if your talking about whats better drugs or lifting, id also have to say lifting killz any drug. besides costing a shit load of money, drugs are a form of escapism. when you lift you dont need to escape nothing cause your huge and every girl wants you haha thats abit simplified but thats the way it goes. plus the high you get when your liftin those heavy weights above your head is way better than some 30 minute peak of xtc


Posted by: Fade

As said above...you waited too long to workout...you crashed


Posted by: HoldDaMayo

I dont' crash after the ephedra wears off... i just feel normal... sounds to me like you should adjust your diet... when i eat healthy I feel good... when i don't eat enough of the good stuff, i feel like crap... ESPECIALLY when you're talking about the influence of drugs on your body... also, another HUGE factor is sleep... how much you had, how much you have had recently, the quality.... another factor is stress... i just think it's easy to blame the ephedra, because that really magnified how your body was feeling...


Posted by: Dante B.

That is incredibly far from any general truth.

As you know, some people are incredibly sensitive to stimulants; just as well, some are more susceptible to the subsequent crash.

Granted, diet among other things can be a factor. But how you react is certainly not an adequate means to judge how the average person responds.


Posted by: HoldDaMayo

but it's certainly a possibility that the real issue could be one of many other factors not related to the Ephedra...

Although, being the rational person I am, I agree... just because something affects person A one way, doesn't mean it will affect person B the same... point taken


Posted by: SJ69

My workout performance is increased at least 10% when I take Stacker 3 and drink coffee. Having said that, sometimes that 10% increase doesn't even bring me up to an average workout if I was way too tired to begin with. Also you have to lay off for a few weeks at a time or else it will looose its effectiveness.
Somedays are good, some are bad with or without epedrine, everyone knows that. One day you bench 315 for one the next day you'd be dead trying the same trick without a spotter.
BTW _ ALWAYS leave the collors OFF if benching without a spotter that way you can dump if you have to.


Posted by: andyo

The only place I have only seen Yellow Jackets are at the Dairy Mart. Please tell me you did'nt buy them there!

Secondly, did you read the label right? If you are not used to Ephedrine, you should gradually work up to max dose.

It is people like you that gets shit banned!


Posted by: seth042280

Andyo
"Its people like you that gets shit banned"
ummm no its people that die that get it banned . I just told my experience .did you even read the entire thread ?


Posted by: seth042280

ok everyone . I am formally apologizing for the title of this thread. for the longest time I could not figure out what happened to me on bench night so I guess I blamed the new thing.(effedrin)...so I worked out last night and the same thing happened without the ef bomb. I thinbk that I have finally figured the problem. recently I have changed my diet to the 6 meals a day program and I added 2 more days into my workout. I really think that my body is just shocked from the change..this can be the only explanation I have for my bench reps going down from 235 to 185. I added seated row on weds and I think I am utilizing my triceps too much during the exercise. I hope this is the prob . these are the only things that I have changed . please reply


Posted by: HoldDaMayo

I'm pretty sure you need to just listen to your body and try to adjust your diet and workout routine so you are always increasing in performance...


Posted by: seth042280

I was fine until I started more workouts. before all I did was bench on monday and curls on weds. and I progressed every single week whether it was reps or weight . I just dont want to only do thos 2 days . maybe I will add more targetes exercises on the same days as the other workouts . like skull crushers . ect . i will just do super sets. I am going to just do the normal workout and see if anything changed next monday .


Posted by: clfhnger

lots of trash talk going on in this post. What happened to the Gym guys I know who are real cool, friendly, and never judge a new lifter, or someone with a question, or needing a spot. Don't confirm a bullshit stigma that gym rats are obnoxious assholes...

As far as Ehpedrine goes it is very simple: Don't over do it. Seriously, Ephedrine gets a bad name by people whom take way too much. Take alot and run, or try to eat, you'll be naseuous and so on. Same as if you took 6 caffeine pills. I'm 190, I take 25 mg's right before working out. If I was over 225, maybe 50 mg's. Yopu'll have great results that way. Taking more is just not necessary. More is never better with stimulants, particularly ephedrine

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