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Posted by: dg806

I have enjoyed the new guggulbolic extreme so much I have decided to stack it with Beta 3. I think this will make a great synergestic stack. I'm getting ready to start a new cycle (not sure what yet) and I think this will even fit in good.

Beta3 s a highly potent and selective B3 adrenergic agonist.
It is comprised of the compound Octopamine (norsynephrine), Beta3 effectively stimulates the B3 adrenergic receptor.

Octopamine/Norsynephrine...........

- Increases insulin sensitivity
- Decreases adipose tissue
- Optimizes metabolism
- Increases lean muscle
- No jitters
- Anti-catabolic
- Increases size and function of brown fat
- Potent B3 adrenergenic agonist that will not down
regulate.

Posted by: HoldDaMayo

sounds good, I only got another week of ECA left... was going to get guggulbolic.... I wanted to stack it with Leptigen, but looks like those Avant guys won't be ready for this cycle... maybe I'll try that too...

Posted by: dg806

The two together should work good. Or either Guggulbolic & MM4.

Posted by: HoldDaMayo

Have you tried the MM4? it's like an appetite suppresant right?

Posted by: BabsieGirl

I too am using the guggulbolic and Beta3. I switched my creatine over to SwoleV.2...........Was shopping around for great prices plus reputation and stumbled across Syntrax. I love that place!!!

Posted by: dg806

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Originally posted by HoldDaMayo
Have you tried the MM4? it's like an appetite suppresant right?

I haven't tried it yet. TP did and said it was decent. It contains synephrine. Here is a little info...........

Since very little published research compares supplementation of ephedrine to synephrine in lean individuals, I set up a study at the University of Utah that compared these two compounds to one another as well as to a placebo. The test formulations contained either 24 milligrams (mg) of ephedrine or 10 mg of synephrine. These are the common supplement industry dosages of ephedrine and synephrine.

Both formulas also included 300 mg of caffeine, 12 mg of yohimbe and 200 mg of quercetin.The synephrine mixture also contained 50 mg of Scizonopeta tenuifolla and Ledebouriella divaricata, two Chinese herbs known to produce a warming effect. The study was a double blind, placebo controlled crossover design, and used 20 young healthy subjects, 10 men and 10 women. Resting metabolic rate, respiratory exchange ration, body care temperature, heart rate and blood pressure were measured.

Resting metabolic rate increased significantly with the ephedrine mix versus placebo. The synephrine formula did not significantly elevate resting metabolic rate for any one 15 minute period during the 195 minutes of measurement.

However, by crudely extrapolating the 195 minutes of collected data over a 24 hour period, both the ephedrine and synephrine formulations showed a significant increase in total resting metabolic rate when compared to the placebo. Respiratory exchange ration decreased significantly toward fat burning with only the ephedrine formulation versus placebo. Body core temperature increased greatly with both the ephedrine and the synephrine formulas compared to the placebo. Heart rate was elevated considerably with the ephedrine versus placebo, but not with the synephrine. Blood pressure was elevated significantly following both formulations versus the placebo.

The bottom line here is that although the synephrine formulation seemed to have a mild effect, the ephedrine formulation outperformed synephrine across the board for elevating metabolic rate and shifting respiratory exchange ration toward fat burning. When you compare a synephrine based mixture to an ephedrine based one for fat burning potential, the ephedrine formulations appear to have the edge, based on available research.

Synephrine and ephedrine act differently upon alpha and beta adrenergic receptor sites. Ephedrine is an indirect and direct acting beta agonist with relatively slight activation of the alpha receptors; synephrine is a direct acting alpha agonist with relatively slight activation of beta receptors, via release of norepinephrine and epinephrine. This is important when attempting to determine the potential for fat burning, because the bottom line is that beta receptors, especially beta-3 receptors, are the key to burning fat.

Admittedly, in this study, the dosage of ephedrine and synephrine in each formulation was not equivalent, so these data cannot be considered conclusive; however, those who tout synephrine as superior to ephedrine for the purpose of getting lean are reaching for data that are not in evidence. Direct comparison studies using the same dosage of both ephedrine and synephrine are still needed. At this point, ephedrine has the edge, both in the scientific literature and in the gym, when it comes to fat burning ability.

Posted by: HoldDaMayo

hmm interesting... I looked at a few articles myself... I'm going to go with the guggulbolic and Beta 3... Will be interesting to compare to my ECA stack... as far as fat burning is considered...

Posted by: Dante B.

Forskolin (as found in MM4) is a wonderful compound. The new version of MM4 also has EGCG.

Beta 3 agonists aren't exceptionally potent compounds in humans. Feedback is generally positive, although I've yet to see a single person who has used this as a stand-alone.

The most noticeable effects may come to those who are moderately insulin resistant, as B3 agonism can increase sensitivity.

Posted by: dg806

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Originally posted by Dante B.
The most noticeable effects may come to those who are moderately insulin resistant, as B3 agonism can increase sensitivity.

There have been a few women on here that believe they were insulin resistant. Sounds interesting.

Posted by: dg806

One thing for sure, it doesn't give me the shakes like ephedrine does!

Posted by: I Are Baboon

I've been taking Beta3 for a week now. I am taking it by itself, not stacking it with anything.

This stuff is WORKING for me! I went three days without lifting (that's another story) and I STILL lost two pounds. Usually if I go three days without lifting, my weight stays the same. I have even been eating more than I usually do, having not stuck to my diet as closely as I have in the past, and I have still managed to lose weight.

Beta3 does not give me jitters, does not incrase my body temperature, and does not make me sweat. For all intents and purposes, it seems to have no affect on me, that is until I hop on the scale. Having only been taking it for a week, I am looking forward to seeing where I am after finishing a bottle.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

I had an after-work party last night, and after three beers, a pile of turkey, and a generous serving of pasta and meat sauce (all on top of my "scheduled" food intake for the day), I lost another half pound.

This is nuts......I have never responded like this to a supplement before.

Is anyone else responding to Beta3 like this?

Posted by: BabsieGirl

yes. See my thread

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally posted by BabsieGirl
yes. See my thread

*strolls over to Babsie's thread.....*

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally posted by Dante B.
I've yet to see a single person who has used this as a stand-alone.

Now you know one.

That is, as long as you don't consider SwoleV.2 and protein powder as part of a stack.

Posted by: Tank316

bump.

Posted by: dg806

DG picks himself up after being bumped by Tank!!

Posted by: BabsieGirl

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Originally posted by I Are Baboon
*strolls over to Babsie's thread.....*

Thanks for visiting IAB.

Anymore progress?

Posted by: Dante B.

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Originally posted by I Are Baboon
Now you know one.

That is, as long as you don't consider SwoleV.2 and protein powder as part of a stack.

SwoleV.2 may elicit a modest leaning effect.

That aside, as I said (or implied), it's definitely not a worthless product by any means. It's just not a revolutionary product, and the average user isn't likely to experience anything drastic if it's used as a stand-alone.

Posted by: BabsieGirl

Why is that Dante? Curious

Posted by: Dante B.

Because I said so, Babsie. My word is as good as gold. Funny, who knew that a block of gold often resembles a heap of crap.

Guanidinopropionic acid can lower ATP levels (by displacing creatine). Simply put, the body may consume more energy in an attempt to regenerate ATP stores; think along the lines of uncoupling.

Posted by: BabsieGirl

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Originally posted by Dante B.
Because I said so, Babsie. My word is as good as gold. Funny, who knew that a block of gold often resembles a heap of crap.

If you're here for the Arnold, you're gonna get it mister

Posted by: Dante B.

Will I get to choose the method of punishment?

Posted by: BabsieGirl

Hmmmm.....Depends on my mood.

Posted by: dg806

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Originally posted by Dante B.

Guanidinopropionic acid can lower ATP levels (by displacing creatine). Simply put, the body may consume more energy in an attempt to regenerate ATP stores; think along the lines of uncoupling.

Not from the low quantity that is in it. It will take much more to achieve this affect from what I've seen.

Posted by: Dante B.

And how do you know this.

If it's present in enough of a quanity to elicit a positive response, do keep in mind that a positive response is sometimes dependant on (what some would consider) a negative reaction.

Will it make a big difference? Probably not. But it's definitely something to consider, especially if you're a strength and/or endurance athlete.

Posted by: dg806

I'm sure you have read all the info Syntrax has put out on it as I have. I just have not seen any proof that it deletes ATP. Maybe in dosages that you could never take in. But the feedback in general is very positive and speaks for itself.

Posted by: Dante B.

And is this the sole ingredient in the product? I gather you know where I'm going with that question.

No doubt, the feedback is positive. That doesn't surprise me. But that's not the point.

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Hmmmm.....Depends on my mood

I'm being awfully naughty today.

Posted by: BabsieGirl

Should I bring out the whip?

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally posted by BabsieGirl
Thanks for visiting IAB.

Anymore progress?

I have not lost any more weight the last few days, but my diet has sucked, as it does most weekends in the "off season." However, I have not gained any more weight either, which is exactly what I was hoping for as a best case scenario. Now I've got five days of clean eating ahead of me, so I expect to see some more good results come Friday/Saturday.

I am no supplement expert and I don't understand a lot of the science you all are talking about. All I can report on is what Beta3 is doing for me, and the results have been positive so far.

Posted by: dg806

Even after drinking some Corona's and eating some krispy kremes and eating at out back this past weekend for my my anniversary, I didn't gain any weight. And best of all, I have maintained my muscle mass while on this!!

Posted by: nikegurl

have you noticed improved results since you decided to stack the guggulbolic extreme with the beta 3?

thanks

Posted by: dg806

I'm not watching what I eat so no. But I am positive I would if I would watch my diet. I'm gaining weight for a soon to be PH cycle!

Posted by: nikegurl

got ya. when do you start your ph cycle? (good luck!)

also, can you take eca with guggulbolic/beta 3 or is it an either or?

thanks!

Posted by: dg806

Probably start tomorrow or Thursday. Keep an eye out for my new thread. Got somthing that looks real promising and very cutting edge!! You can take an ECA with it but I would be careful since Beta 3 contains synephrine which is like ephedrine but a little weaker. Don't over do it!

Posted by: nikegurl

your ph cycle is the promising/cutting edge thing or something else? i've mostly ignored the ph stuff out of fear but lately i'm realizing i should pay attention b/c there are a few that are ok for women to use. i'm getting my training back in order and stepping things up a bit b/c i've been slacking....but in a few months i just may start serious research and find something safe to try. (yes, i'll be pestering leslie and you for info! but i promise to do my homework first)

Posted by: dg806

Yeah the PH is cutting edge. More later......

Posted by: Tank316

i'll be bumping your thread DG, i am feeling more up to par, and will be starting the beta3 with eca.and like you said, using caution.

Posted by: nikegurl

keep us posted tank! no guggulbolic extreme for you? i've never used either but see a lot of people stacking the two.

thanks

Posted by: Tank316

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Originally posted by nikegurl
keep us posted tank! no guggulbolic extreme for you? i've never used either but see a lot of people stacking the two.

thanks

i had good luck with GE and eca.

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