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Likelihood of Getting Busted Mail Order


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Posted by: SJ69

OK, say I get list of pharmacies and order 2000mg worth od Sustanol and a couple bottles of Anavar or Winstrol. What are the odds the package looks suspicous and gets checked out by the feds? What if it comes then the feds knock down my door and I say "I didn't order this"
Am I being paranoid?
Is it better to order from foreign Pharmacies or go the US route with the middle man script writter?


Posted by: Mudge

If you are on the west coast I would say with 99% certainty do not order anything overseas.

You are generally MUCH safer with domestic, no contest. Domestic packages are inspected significantly less frequently, there is no argument.

I have never ever ordered from overseas because of these things, I dont want to be on any FBI hotlist.

It is good to be paranoid, as long as you remain sensible.

If they knock on your door dont answer. Most controlled deliveries are made in the mornings, and if the mailman comes 3 times that day obviously be suspicious, he doesn't care about you that much. If they ask for a signature dont sign for it, nobody requires a signature for your goods because we know that is signing admittance.

You can look for the book "Legal Muscle" by Rick Collins, or search on the net as he does post various things here or there. There are controlled delivery FAQs out there as well.


Posted by: SJ69

If you want d-bol though you must order overseas beacuase it's not carried by American pharmacies?
Most of those list containmostly foriegn pharma, the one list I know of said it had only a single US pharm.
Just frustrated trying to get gear, you know if I was one of those "men" trapped in a womans body they's have no porblem giving me estrogen, or If I was menapausal, but when a man starts to age he gets thrown in jail, fined and looses his job if he wants a little Test, that sux man.


Posted by: Mudge

There are plenty of people who do the importing for you. It would be a death knell for them to list a US pharmacy, feds would be on them like a fat kid on cake as it were.

Yeah it is stupid IMO, if I feel the need to be a woman its no problem, if I want to be more of a man it is a problem


Posted by: crackerjack414

i thought my old buddy ip only sent injectables certified mail


Posted by: firestorm

I don't know if this relates but I bought a "black box= cable converter" online and about a month ago my cable company called and is threatening to sue me for 3 thousand bucks. How did they find out I had it you ask? Simple, the cable companies are taking the company that sold it to me to court and they had to turn over all their records of sale. The cable company knew to the date when I bought it and how I even paid for it. So just be careful because if the Government cracks down on these internet sites that can happen to you I would think. As for other countries, our governement make deals with them all the time so it isn't impossible for the mexican government to force a company over there to turn over that information. All our government would need to do is make it worth Mexicos efforts and they would jump on it. Be careful.


Posted by: CrackerGuy

I got busted, and I got of lucky all I have to do is send this letter back saying i abbadon the property and the case is closed.


Posted by: firestorm

One last note, The powers to be can tell if you're one of those people stealing music and movies from Kazza etc so they have ways to flag sites etc and track you down. Where there is a will there is a way. I'd never order anything Illegal over the internet. You never know if Big Brother is watching.


Posted by: Mudge

Expect that you are being watched, companies that keep records will only hurt everyone in the end. Security in military terms is rated in man hours, nothing is secure, essentially everything has a leak of some kind and someone motivated to find it, will. Be smart and reduce your risks.

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Originally posted by CrackerGuy
I got busted, and I got of lucky all I have to do is send this letter back saying i abbadon the property and the case is closed.
Was that an overseas seizure? If they have the property then you dont have to say anything or talk to anybody, its "not yours" and you dont know what it is because you weren't expecting anything. Of course you dont have to share your story, just curious. Because if you sign something and you dont have the item in question you are admitting guilt, and you have nothing in your home to be afraid of.


Posted by: firestorm

except his credit card number Mudge or a personnel check. I never signed anything either. From what I gather, the safest way to go is to send a money order or Cashiers Check, Have the product sent to your place of business but under a false name. Just be sure to be exact and make sure they put your department name on the package to because since your using a fictitous name the company Mail room wont know who Mike Hunts is.


Posted by: firestorm

In my situation, I know several of the guys in my mail room and I would just tell them to expect a package for me but under the name Dick Hurtz


Posted by: CrackerGuy

it got seized here and all i received was the needles and then i resealed the needles and put return to sender. So, I never held any kind of substance. here I will type what the letter says atleast the first page.

Dear Sir/Madam:

This is to officially notify you that on september 2, 2003, at the Los Angeles Mail Facility, Customs and border Protection (CBP) seized the merchandise listed below, pursuant to title 19, United States Code, Section 1595a(c) for violation of title 21, United states code, section 952(b)

Description: Sostenon 250, 11 each
Forfeiture Value: $33.00

The items are subject to firfeiture because, under the laws and regulations of the food and drug administration, the importation of controlled substances into the United states from any place outside thereof is prohibited, unless imported pursuant to such permit, notification, or declaration requirements as the atturney general may, by regulations, prescribe.

Pursuant to title 19, United states code, section 1618 and title 19, code of federal regulations, part 171.1/et.sq., anyone claiming an interest in the seized merchandise has the right to file a written petition for relief within thirty (30) days of this letter. The enclosed Notice of Seizure and Information for Claimants explains your options with regard to the remission or miligation of the forfeiture. The petition must be signed and filed IN DUPLICATE with CBP, 301 E. Ocean Blvd., Long Beach, CA 90802, Attn: Fines, Penalties and firfeitures Office.

The petition need not be in any specific form, but it should include all the faces which you believe warrant the granting relief from the forfeiture. It is absolutely imperative that, in order for CBP to act on your petiton, the enclosed election of proceedings/waiver form be completed and accompany your petition.

Alternatively, you may elect to abandon the seized medications, and they will be forfeited to the government and the case will be closed. We are required to give you personal notice of the forfeiture proceedings; however, if you choose to waive such notice, you will receive no further mail from this office concerning the disposition of these medications. If this is what you want, please sign the attached form (Abandonment & Notification Waiver) and return it to the address indicated at the bottom of this letter.

and btw I payed 105 for that sus 250 ! and its priced at 33$ dammit i hate buying illegal shit online. Anyone know the actually street price for 11 sus 250? man 33$ #(*&#()* make me mad o well lucky no fines or jail time.

I guess i don't have to send the letter back either it will be disposed of either way.


Posted by: Mudge

Quote:
Originally posted by firestorm
except his credit card number Mudge or a personnel check.
That is probably why nobody pays for steroids that way.


Posted by: Mudge

Quote:
Originally posted by firestorm
I would just tell them to expect a package for me but under the name Dick Hurtz
Thats funny, but I'm sure it would draw attention.


Posted by: Mudge

Ignore seizure letters man. They may very well close that case, and open a new one on your ass. There is as of yet no proof that you accepted a controlled delivery or anything of that nature since it was seized, its not your package.

This is why I dont order from outside of the country, customs is too good in the US and I dont want to be watched. I have found domestic sources using Google even man. Try finding something if you feel like it in the future and start running source checks.

I got started on a pay list/board $20 a year, which did have domestic stuff from member refers. There are other boards of this nature now although some of them rely on trust not just your money which means you need to be active and make yourself known. My stuff came from mexico and someone ran it over the AZ border and shipped it from there, never flagged at all.

Amps are overpriced and they suck ass to work with, why anybody prefers amps I am completely lost on. I used "sostenon" (Ttokkyo Sust) for my first cycle, I payed about $40 for 5mlx2 (10 amps worth).


Posted by: CrackerGuy

ya, so I shouldn't sign the letter of abandonment and send it back? ya, I may check into one of those lists. but home-brew fina seems easy.


Posted by: Mudge

Sure, but fina by itself isn't much of a cycle.

Send what back, the letter? Trash it.


Posted by: CrackerGuy

ya it isn't much but it still gets the job done better than nothing . plus, its hard for me to find anything good unless i find a list thats good.


Posted by: Mudge

It should give strength and some vascularity, not much in the way of size.


Posted by: crackerjack414

first off please dont use your real name when buying stuff dont leave a paper trail and most of all dont send it your own house. iam not going to preach about staying safe but a little paranoia cant hurt these days


Posted by: ST240

Quote:
Originally posted by crackerjack414
first off please dont use your real name when buying stuff dont leave a paper trail and most of all dont send it your own house. iam not going to preach about staying safe but a little paranoia cant hurt these days
where do you send it then!?


Posted by: oaktownboy

office...workplace


Posted by: Mudge

Some PO box type places may allow you to use any name, if the name doesn't match the box no delivery. For the US post office it must be a legal name.


Posted by: raven411

I have had customs send me a letter on two different occassions that they had seized the package and gave me the option of doing nothing and have them destroy it or I could appeal. Guess which one I chose? I go to Europe every 2 months so I bring my own supply back, mail order is two risky when it involves shipping overseas.



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