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Posted by: flexster

Would this be a good product for a first ever run with ph/ps?

http://www.dermabolics.com/

Posted by: propho

that's what i'm using.. almost finished with my cycle about 1 week left.. great stuff! go for it..

Posted by: flexster

what kind of gains have your received in weight and strenght?

Posted by: Rocco32

I'm just finishing this cycle. Had better results with Ergopharm's 1-ad!

Posted by: 1Fast400

It is all price related, someone buy 3 bottles of 1-AD for 110 bucks and 3 bottles of S1+ for 95, do the doses so they each run out in a month and S1+ will win hands down. People forget that they will not gain as much on the 2nd round of PH as they did the first. The farther you get from your set point the harder it is going to be to get gains.

Posted by: Rocco32

well, and plus S1+ also has 4-ad which you would have to buy separately if using 1-ad. I ascribed to the fact that this was my 3rd time using PH recently so I would have diminished results, but I just feel I put on more BF this time than previous.

Posted by: Prince

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Originally posted by flexster
Would this be a good product for a first ever run with ph/ps?

http://www.dermabolics.com/

yes.

Posted by: HoldDaMayo

I read something about S1+ spray bottles not giving the proper doses... that may need to be addressed... either measure it out and then spread it on, or use like 10 sprays each dose instead of 5-6...

Also be careful about getting this stuff in your nose and eyes... ouchie...

Posted by: Rocco32

It burns, trust me.

Posted by: 1Fast400

The idea it doesn't give out the right amount, I question. These are the same bottles used for androspray/norandro spray that ergo pharm had. We testing the transport matrix, we went over 1oz-4oz volumes and came up with the same pump count as andro spray. If not shaken properly before use, items can come out of solution, clog the pump and skem the sprays off. However, when used correctly, it works just fine.

Posted by: HoldDaMayo

well, I did finish a bottle of it, and I did notice some definite inconsistencies in spray... also, no where on the bottle did i notice where it said shake well prior to use, or mention anything about shaking...

Posted by: 1Fast400

That was my fault on the label. I just assumed people knew, I'm now learning that is not the case. We are almost through our batch of labels for some of the products.

Posted by: HoldDaMayo

I did actually start shaking it, when one time i sprayed it and it was all clear looking and once it was all white looking... I knew something was up...

Posted by: Rocco32

Same with me. I learned to shake after the first bottle.

Posted by: JerseyDevil

I'm the one who questioned the pump metering accuracy. From the very first usage I shaked the bottle vigarously before an application. That only makes sense. Unless the bottles are overfilled by quite a bit, I still contend the spray isn't providing as much product as advertised. My example was only one bottle however. It could be just this particular pump was defective. I'm on the second bottle now, and using a graduated dropper to measure the doses. Now that I'm accurately measuring the doses, the volume in the bottle is coming down as expected.

Mike, I've heard that the bottles are overvolumed. Is this true, and if so, by how much?

Posted by: ZECH

I think with time also, you learn how much it takes on your body. I can tell by rubbing how much I'm applying almost.

Posted by: 1Fast400

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Mike, I've heard that the bottles are overvolumed. Is this true, and if so, by how much?

The volume of liquid should be correct, however the actives in each bottle are overdosed. The amount is almost exactly 10%. To break it down into small numbers for reference per 120 bottles there should be 360g of 1-T and 540g of 4AD, however there is 400g and 600g. I know that when messing with liquids things might be off by a very small amount, so it was a better idea to overdose the active than the liquid (all that is going to do is dilute the amount per botte, not a good idea).

Hope that answers your questions. With 4AD, which can be a pain to deal with in solutions, if overdosed to much in 1 bottle might screw up the pumper. I'll have to look into it. However, on a normal bottle, there should be no issues. The only reason we use these bottles is that the old Avant bottles leaked like crazy. I sent out over 3k in gift vouchers due to ruined shippments. About killed me.

Posted by: ZECH

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Originally posted by 1Fast400
The only reason we use these bottles is that the old Avant bottles leaked like crazy. I sent out over 3k in gift vouchers due to ruined shippments. About killed me.

I've never had a problem with these. Do you know what was making them leak?? I can see maybe altitude in an airplane causing it? One solution would be to ship it with a cap and the pump would be seperate. Put the pump on when you receive it.

Posted by: Rocco32

Finished S1+ on Thursday, Did power Chest today. Still went up in weight, so I guess that is good!

Posted by: flexster

Rock, where did you apply the product? Chest, forearms, thighs?

Posted by: Rocco32

I applied both upper arms and upper ab region.

Posted by: propho

As for gains, I didn't really check to see what type of gains I got.. but I definately noticed a difference in what I can lift.. I'm still a newb weightlifter.. I use machines.. maxed out 1 machine since I started using it and increased on others about 40lbs.. and I apply S1+ mainly on my chest abs and upper arms.. and partly on my back when I'm spreading it around with my fingers.. Mainly in areas where a regular t-shirt would fully cover..

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