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Originally posted by Jodi Then just have the protein and then an hour later have a meal with carbs. Try it out several ways and find out what will work for you though 
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Originally posted by Premo55 Lactose is never really a good thing, man, I mean, if you're bulking I guess it's okay, but if you want to be really strict on yourself lactose DOES to a certain extent have an effect on insulin, and will be a stumbling block in you gaining LBM with minimal fat gain. And if you're bulking, you shouldn't be using protein and fat as your post-workout meal. Try going with 3/4 cup- 1 cup of dry oats and 45-60g of a good protein blend. I wish you luck, then an hour later take in 40-50g of clean carbs and an equivalent amount of protein, with some veggies. No fat in either post-workout meal. Peace. |
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Originally posted by Premo55 Lactose is never really a good thing, man, I mean, if you're bulking I guess it's okay, but if you want to be really strict on yourself lactose DOES to a certain extent have an effect on insulin, and will be a stumbling block in you gaining LBM with minimal fat gain. And if you're bulking, you shouldn't be using protein and fat as your post-workout meal. Try going with 3/4 cup- 1 cup of dry oats and 45-60g of a good protein blend. I wish you luck, then an hour later take in 40-50g of clean carbs and an equivalent amount of protein, with some veggies. No fat in either post-workout meal. Peace. |
Like I said this is just me though and I always recommend no fat PWO to everyone else.
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Originally posted by Downtown Guy I do want to be fairly strict about my bulking diet, so I'll take your advice and remove the lactose. I have kept the fat to a bare minimum for both of my post-workout meals and will continue to do so. I'm concerned that if I add 3/4 to 1 cup of dry oats to my post-workout shake, I won't be able to eat again one hour later. But I'll try it and see if it works for me. Thanks for your advice. |
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Originally posted by Premo55 Dude, gaining weight is not really an issue of comfort, really. If you wanna gain quality weight you really do have to eat, and eat, and eat, but intelligently. You won't always enjoy it, but you'll grow accustomed to gulping all that food down. Peace. |
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Originally posted by Premo55 I personally strongly advise you to take in carbs for two post-workout meals, one immediately after workout, and the second an hour to an hour and a half post-workout. Your body replenishes glycogen with phenomenal effectiveness with very little room for carb spillage/subsequent fat gain within six hours after your workout, so theoretically according to some nutritionist you can orient ALL your carbs to within six hours PWO, but personally I play it safe and stick to two PWO meals, and breakfast, with the other three to four meals being exclusively P+F. Peace. |
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Originally posted by Jodi Then just have the protein and then an hour later have a meal with carbs. Try it out several ways and find out what will work for you though
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Originally posted by Premo55 Yes, keep adding calories gradually until you start noticing gains. If you're gaining fat, tweak your diet accordingly to suit your needs, it's all about finding out what numbers work for you, man, some cats I know can go as high as x20 or even x25 in order to gain LBM....Personally I stay at x15-18....usually on the lower end. Peace. |
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Originally posted by Premo55 Honestly you'll get used to it. Personally that 40-50g from oats is nothign to me, I could easily eat three times that amount in that time span, but I love my oats. If I could have a cheat meal, I'd eat four cups of oats (measured before cooking), cooked with a crap load of Splenda, vanilla essence and cinnamon. Heck, I'll even eat it plain. I love the taste of oats. Peace. |
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Originally posted by Premo55 I personally strongly advise you to take in carbs for two post-workout meals, one immediately after workout, and the second an hour to an hour and a half post-workout. Your body replenishes glycogen with phenomenal effectiveness with very little room for carb spillage/subsequent fat gain within six hours after your workout, so theoretically according to some nutritionist you can orient ALL your carbs to within six hours PWO, but personally I play it safe and stick to two PWO meals, and breakfast, with the other three to four meals being exclusively P+F. Peace. |
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Originally posted by Downtown Guy SImple, but superb advice, Jodi! I will try it out several ways to see what works best for me. Premo has given me enough info to convince me to try to force down some fairly serious carbs immediately after my workout and then do it again an hour later. Might require an adjustment period. As you suggested, I'll customize it for my own needs. Thanks againh for your help! |
I love seeing people willing to accept changes and understanding that we all need to find what works for each of us. Very cool because although we can provide advice and give the basics, only you can figure out what works, what your going to stick to and the road to get there. Nice. I'm pleased your willing to try things to find your optimal results 
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Originally posted by Jodi Most excellent I love seeing people willing to accept changes and understanding that we all need to find what works for each of us. Very cool because although we can provide advice and give the basics, only you can figure out what works, what your going to stick to and the road to get there. Nice. I'm pleased your willing to try things to find your optimal results
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Thanks for having an awesome attitude! It's easy to be a good student with marvelous mentors to lead the way. I'll probably have more questions as I fine-tune my nutritional plan. Thanks for helping me put it all together.
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