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Swole V2 + Cutting?


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Posted by: NeedMuscleMass

I always thought you shouldnt take creatine while on a cut, but I read a thread where someone did...

Is it ok to take swole v2 while I'm cutting?

I'm 5'11, 158lbs, almost 18 yo.

Will this negatively affect my cutting?

And since i have never taken a form of creatine I think I will load.


Posted by: plouffe

Don't go through a loading stage, and I couldn't see how cutting would mess up the effects of swole v2? Maybe loosing water weight would diminish the effects it? I'm not sure. But don't load.


Posted by: NeedMuscleMass

Well creatine in general, I was just thinking of using v2..

Why no load?


Posted by: nikegurl

may i ask if you're really sure you want to be cutting at 5' 11" and 158 lbs? i'd think you'd be much better off packing the food in, training hard, keeping your diet clean and gaining some muscle especially at 18.


Posted by: plouffe

Another thing is the crazy amounts of sugars in the transport systems... That's alot of carbs. Search around IM for the no loading question. I personally forget why, but I remember reading it.


Posted by: NeedMuscleMass

Quote:
Originally posted by nikegurl
may i ask if you're really sure you want to be cutting at 5' 11" and 158 lbs? i'd think you'd be much better off packing the food in, training hard, keeping your diet clean and gaining some muscle especially at 18.
I'm concentrating on getting ripped and then I'm going to start a bulk cycle. I've been trainging hard to lose fat around the abs and chest.

Quote:
Originally posted by plouffe
Another thing is the crazy amounts of sugars in the transport systems... That's alot of carbs. Search around IM for the no loading question. I personally forget why, but I remember reading it.
So would you recommend a regular creatine? or no creatine at all?


Posted by: NeedMuscleMass

bump


Posted by: Var

Quote:
Originally posted by NeedMuscleMass
been trainging hard to lose fat around the abs and chest.
Are u saying that you've been doing exercises to lose fat around the abs and chest? (Bench press, crunches, etc.) This is not possible. You can't spot reduce bodyfat. Diet is the way to get shredded, but you have to have a decent amount of muscle mass in order to have something to show off. Sounds to me like you need to build more muscle first and worry about cutting later. JMO.

Edit: I dont see anything wrong with using Creatine whether you're cutting or bulking. It's good stuff.

Also, I'm 5'6 and 160 lbs. I would never think about cutting right now.


Posted by: nacnac972

Yeah 5'11 158 cutting?I am 5'7 170 and want 10 more lbs before I start cutting.


Posted by: NeedMuscleMass

I want a 6 pack but i figured cutting and then crunches would be the way to go.

You guys think I should bulk? It just seems I have fat in wrong places.


Posted by: Var

How long have u been training? If you're new to it, you'll lose some fat while gaining muscle in the beginning. I think at your weight, you should bulk. Bulking doesnt necessarily mean putting on A LOT of fat. Do a clean bulk and you should be able to keep fat to a minimum.


Posted by: plouffe

NeedMuscleMass, I just suggest you don't cut to be honest with you, bulk up a bit. But you really want to do this. Get pure creatine monohydrate. It'll work better than no creatine at all. Take it with your PWO shake.


Posted by: NeedMuscleMass

training for only about a month..

Thanks for imput, I'm going to think about taking in 16 cal/lb

I started off at 165 btw.


Posted by: plouffe

Oh that's some decent progress.


Posted by: NeedMuscleMass

Yea, I've been eatin really strict, 3 days of training, plus lots of hockey.

So Maybe its time to bulk?


Posted by: plouffe

Donno man you sound confused on what you should be doing. Just do what you feel needs to be done. Just because your gonna bulk doesn't mean your going to get fat, you sound pretty active, and I know hockeyplayers are pretty damn solid as it is. So just make the decision, get bigger right now, or get ripped out?


Posted by: QuestionGuy

you wanna get ripped??????? LoL, you sound like my girlfriend no matter how skinny she is (and she is) she still thinks she's fat


Posted by: QuestionGuy

a month of training is nothing, eat a lot of protein "clean bulk", do about 10 pounds and then start cutting if you want, if you do everything right those 10 pounds should be like 7 pounds of muscle.... but do some research on it, everyone is different..... im 5'11 and around 212 pounds at 17%BodyFat.... And i just started cuting, i took it to far but its ok once im done ill be about 8% BF and 195 pounds.....Another thing is are you trying to "get big" or just be in good shape for hokey ?


Posted by: NeedMuscleMass

Yeah I know I just started training.

I think I'm going to go with another 2-3 weeks of cutting just to get off all the fat i had from eatin fast food every nite lol.

Then i'll try to add around 10lbs and bring training to 4 days.

How does that sound?

And for hockey I'm looking to get bigger so i could guard the puck easier when circling.

Thanks for all the help

Jesse


Posted by: plouffe

Quote:
Originally posted by plouffe
Another thing is the crazy amounts of sugars in the transport systems... That's alot of carbs. Search around IM for the no loading question. I personally forget why, but I remember reading it.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/anssi1.htm

Here's an article about creatine loading, check that out.


Posted by: NeedMuscleMass

Thanks for the article.

What are simple carbs? like potatoes and brown rice, correct?


Posted by: Power Rabbit

yea...sweet potatoes, oats(i eat em raw no milk :-P), brown rice


Posted by: NeedMuscleMass

Thanks for everyones help


Posted by: burstofspeed

Quote:
Originally posted by plouffe
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/anssi1.htm

Here's an article about creatine loading, check that out.

In that article it cautions against taking creatine with juices---

"Creatine should be taken with a high-carbohydrate meal or beverage, but high-fructose components (e.g. fruit juice) should be avoided because fructose does not elicit a significant insulin response."

Isnt grape juice what alot of people take with creatine??

Also it says that caffine might adversly affect the effects of creatines ---

"Caffeine has been reported to adversely affect the efficacy of creatine supplementation."

does anyone know more about this? Im going to be starting a EC stack tomorrow and wanted to get on swole V2 within two weeks. Am I better off just going through a cut w/o the creatine(swole).

Thanks


Posted by: NeedMuscleMass

Also another question..

I can take swole v2 with my PWO shake if I'm also taking in 1/2c oats and 3 fish oil pills right?



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