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Originally posted by Prince I feel that I am addicted to PH's, does that count? 
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Comment in: JAMA. 1990 Apr 18;263(15):2048-9. Hooked on hormones? An anabolic steroid addiction hypothesis. Kashkin KB, Kleber HD. Substance Abuse Treatment Unit, Connecticut Mental Health Center, New Haven. Widespread illicit anabolic steroid use has recently been reported. A review of available evidence suggests that elevations of serum levels of steroid hormones, including anabolic steroids, have profound psychological effects. Long-term, high-dose anabolic steroid use may lead to a preoccupation with drug use, difficulty stopping despite psychological side effects, and drug craving. Reductions in serum levels of steroid hormones appear to result in acute hyperadrenergic withdrawal symptoms that respond to steroid replacement or to agents that also ameliorate withdrawal symptoms in alcohol and opioid dependence. A delayed depression syndrome when serum steroid levels drop precipitously has been reported that appears similar to that observed in withdrawing cocaine-dependent individuals. We conclude that a proportion of anabolic steroid abusers may develop a previously unrecognized sex steroid hormone-dependence disorder and that treatment should be based on research into steroid effects on opioid and aminergic neurotransmission systems and relapse prevention. Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial PMID: 2681859 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] |
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Originally posted by plouffe I've never takin steroids -- But I could imagine if I were to get amazing results by taking them ( along with proper diet and training ) Yes, I'd say I would be somewhat addicted to steroids. |
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Originally posted by QuestionGuy damn, bandaid woman has always these smart answers for us aon whatever it is.... lol, hang around here ok ? |
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Originally posted by Just a guy do ya? |
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Originally posted by Prince I feel that I am addicted to PH's, does that count?
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[b Comment in: JAMA. 1990 Apr 18;263(15):2048-9. Hooked on hormones? An anabolic steroid addiction hypothesis. Kashkin KB, Kleber HD. Substance Abuse Treatment Unit, Connecticut Mental Health Center, New Haven. 1. Widespread illicit anabolic steroid....... 2. Long-term, high-dose anabolic steroid use MAY lead to a preoccupation with drug use, difficulty stopping despite psychological side effects, and drug craving. 3. A delayed depression syndrome when serum steroid levels drop PRECIPITOUSLY has been reported that appears similar to that observed in withdrawing cocaine-dependent individuals. 4 We conclude that a PROPORTION of anabolic steroid abusers may develop a previously unrecognized sex steroid hormone-dependence disorder and that treatment should be based on research into steroid effects on opioid and aminergic neurotransmission systems and relapse prevention. Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial PMID: 2681859 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Originally posted by bandaidwoman [/b] Just some info. |
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Originally posted by Just a guy So maddog u have pissed me off ENOUGH to where im at the point where i want to hunt u down and whoop the shit out of u... What have u accomplished? Not shit... SO quit talkin.... This is why i have been in and out of jail... Because of Fuqers like u talkin shit... Sorry to all of the mods here and everyone reading this... but I cant take no more of this guys shit... I think he jealous heh
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Originally posted by Just a guy How do u know i need help? u have never met me... i have always been like this... im not a LUNATIC on steroids... im prolly a lunatic anywayz.... |
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Originally posted by MarcusMaximus This is not directed to bandaid woman. merely to point out that there are some flaws in that particular article that many of you have noticed. 1. Define widespread, 2 the waffle word "may" is very interesting. anyone involved with politics will know the contextual meaning of "waffle" . it use limits the impact of whatever comes after. this way, the authors or politician has his/her ass covered whenever something goes amiss from the hyposthesis. 3 Define what proportion falls under that category. 4. Seems what they did was STOP IMMEDIATELY with no tapering. not a very intelligent method and this type of study is designed specifically to prove a PRE HOC hypothesis. As this is an abstract from an JAMA archive, i will go through my own refereneces. I can't see how this alleged proportion be any higher or lower than the percentage of people who get hooked on other drugs prescribed by medical prac. comparing steroid use to cocaine is a specious argument. This again, simply plays to the public fear ( unfounded ) that steroid use goes hand and hand with cocaine use. it may happen that the two coincide in a certain percentage of the population yet it would appear more likely that steroid DEALERS also deal cocaine. So the gateway drug may be AAS but not for the user but for the dealer. People who are unable to control their anger have that anger amplified while on does of steroids that result in supra-physiological level of androgen hormones. I think that one of the posters in this thread has succinctly shown that point quite well! |
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| The waffle word "may" is very interesting. anyone involved with politics will know the contextual meaning of "waffle" . it use limits the impact of whatever comes after. this way, the authors or politician has his/her ass covered whenever something goes amiss from the hyposthesis. |
| . Seems what they did was STOP IMMEDIATELY with no tapering. not a very intelligent method and this type of study is designed specifically to prove a PRE HOC hypothesis. |
| can't see how this alleged proportion be any higher or lower than the percentage of people who get hooked on other drugs prescribed by medical prac. |
| comparing steroid use to cocaine is a specious argument. This again, simply plays to the public fear ( unfounded ) that steroid use goes hand and hand with cocaine use. |
| The potential for addiction to the AASs has been investigated. In interviews with 49 AAS users, at least 1 DSM-III-R symptom of dependence was reported by 94% of the sample, while 3 or more symptoms were reported by 57% of the sample. The authors concluded that AASs are not free from potential addictive behavior and suggested that dissatisfaction with body size and increases in size and strength obtained with AASs may lead to patterns of dependent use. |
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Originally posted by bandaidwoman These are excellent points and questions: ...range of use 1% - (low extreme ) to 48%+ ( high extreme ).... Of course, most physicians would rather have anabolic steroid use than cocaine use. |
| No, researchers are honest and make no grand conclusions about what their hypothesis means.(unlike the media) Using may and probably, they are being honest and accurate in what they are suggesting...and the paper was clear about using the word hypothesis. |
| Actually, many of the participants were allowed to stop or continue based on their normal usage patterns. |
| This is not a comparison, just pointing out that steroids are not completely free of addictive potential and that some people are vulnerable to steroid addiction and that it should not be discounted. In much the same way, the psychiatric establishment has concluded that steroid rage behavior does not occur in the average user except in those that are already psychiatrically predisposed ie: antipersonality disorder, short fuse syndromes etc. As you stated, compared to other drugs, the addiction rate is definately not as high. |
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I agree. This is another article that looked at self reported potential for addiction by anabolic hormone users using a very strict DSMIIR criteria. {Yates WR, Perry PJ, MacIndoe J, et al. Psychosexual effects of three doses of testosterone cycling in normal men. Biol Psychiatry. 1999;45:254-260. } Sorry, these were hard copies I had in my office, so no internet links. |
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Originally posted by Power Rabbit Just make sure your cheap...when your tight fisted with your cash its alittle harder for addiction to take hold.. |
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Originally posted by MarcusMaximus MM - The use of the word widespread was not defined in that abstract. Researchers, as scientists should choose their words carefully as it could be infered that widespread meant in the general public. out of 300 000 000 peopl in the USA and 40 000 000 in Canada, i would expect the incidence of AAS use to be between 0.01% and 10% overall. Local pockets of people within certain sports/activities of course would have a higher percentage of users. |
| The word 'may' is a clear 'waffle' word used just as i stated. Every paper has a stated hypothesis and the conclusion is almost always " more research is needed in this area" after they list the limitations of their research. |
| No dosages were listed or given. clarification was needed at the start. no information was given as to what constituted their 'normal usage pattern. If indeed a precipitous drop was detected, perhaps what is needed is not prohibition but education . |
| It has never been definitively shown that ut is a psychological addiction or a physiological addiction with respect to steroids. just as buddy said, t is an addiction to the state of being that AAS creates. It most likely or MAY eventually be shown that it is combination of the two. |
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That report rings a bell but not the authors. I shall look it up later, or i MAY not.. depends. What is true is that ppl with known personality disorders have these traits/behaviors amplified as well as the trigger threshold seems to be lowered. IN THOSE SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS. Within any group of people exhibiting behavior A, 4% will be pretty extreme of either end and there will be 0.35% of the people who exhibit the most extreme esamples. Of that last group 0.35%, 0.175% will be so extreme as to be completely unreal. These boards are not representative. the members are no way near being a random sample. that said, it is easy to point out those ppl on these boards who respond in such a manner that only disproves their very argument |
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Originally posted by Just a guy Fucker... are u still talkin? Man i want to run in 2 u one day... Because honestly you sound like a Weak peice of shit... I get lab tests done EVERY month... im healthy as a horse... i will GLADLY whoop ur ass... Responsible AAS user.... son of a bitch.. thats what i try to be.. im using every protectant i can get my hands on... I go to the doc if one thing messes up... but u know what the doc said to me.... Your on roids?? I see your big and everything but your Cholesterol and everything is in normal range.... So maddog u have pissed me off ENOUGH to where im at the point where i want to hunt u down and whoop the shit out of u... What have u accomplished? Not shit... SO quit talkin.... This is why i have been in and out of jail... Because of Fuqers like u talkin shit... Sorry to all of the mods here and everyone reading this... but I cant take no more of this guys shit... I think he jealous heh
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Originally posted by bandaidwoman ...It's a wonder anything ever gets done! |
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