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Posted by: butterfly

I was searching the web and can't find any really good fitness forums for us pregnant ladies.

Any chance we could have one here?



Posted by: Prince

you would be the only one posting in it.



Posted by: butterfly

Good point. Maybe that's why the only forums that looked good where pay-by-the-month ones.

Which may be why it might be a good idea to have one section here. Honestly, I can't find any one place that has all the info we need regarding fitness, excercie, nutrition, etc.

Hickerchick just had a baby and fitgirl and Stacey are both wanting to get pregnant.

Throw the idea around with the mods and see what the general consensus is



Posted by: dg806

Just because they aren't pregnant doesn't mean they can't post. Many here have had babies and could give input! JMO.........



Posted by: CaptainDeadlift

Quote:
Originally posted by Prince
you would be the only one posting in it.
I'm sure Rock and Satan would be whoring it up, also.



Posted by: I Are Baboon

That was be an extremely niche forum. I don't think it'd have a lot of traffic.



Posted by: katie64

Even if you had a forum for it, I think anyone that came across information would post articles, etc. in it, plus you have many women as members here that are young and will eventually be starting families, you also have some mothers here that can share their experiences while being pregnant and also what to do and not do to before, during and after pregnancy, and just think Prince, you might be the only site that has this, which may bring in more traffic



Posted by: katie64

Quote:
Originally posted by CaptainDeadlift
I'm sure Rock and Satan would be whoring it up, also.
Satan's wife is pregnant right now, so maybe he'll learn something or we can just kick 'em out



Posted by: Prince

Quote:
Originally posted by katie64
Even if you had a forum for it, I think anyone that came across information would post articles, etc. in it, plus you have many women as members here that are young and will eventually be starting families, you also have some mothers here that can share their experiences while being pregnant and also what to do and not do to before, during and after pregnancy, and just think Prince, you might be the only site that has this, which may bring in more traffic
you may be correct, but that is not what this forum is about...it's a bodybuilding and fitness forum.



Posted by: butterfly

Then why have a sports forum?



Posted by: bandaidwoman

Fitness does not stop with pregnancy!

I think there are alot of misconceptions about excercise during pregnancy and a forum that addresses questions and answers about it would be very attractive to alot of the women on this forum including nonpregnant and those contemplating pregnancy.

However, with that said, it may still be too subspecialized for this forum as Prince stated.

I belong to a bike forum that has a Women's Issues subforum and there we talk about everything from wearing tampons to pregnancy issues etc. (I mountain biked till 4months of pregnancy and rode 20 -25 miles on the road in sweltering humid weather up until two days of delivery).

Of course alot of guys jumped into the conversations in this subforum.



Posted by: Mudge

Certain things like squats can induce labor though can't they? Shouldn't lower impact things be implemented?

Not that I've been pregnant, lately.



Posted by: bandaidwoman

Quote:
Originally posted by Mudge
Certain things like squats can induce labor though can't they? Shouldn't lower impact things be implemented?

Not that I've been pregnant, lately.
Exactly, these are the types of questions alot of women have!

My female body builders have mostly concentrated on upper body workouts after the sixth month. Up until the sixth month, most continue their lower leg workouts with slightly modified weights and proper breathing technique. Remember, in many parts of the world women are doing heavy labor right up until delivery and our bodies can accomodate alot more then most believed we could. I look at biking, Atlanta is very hilly and even into my 9th month of pregnancy I was cranking on the big gear up some big ass hills that people would push their bikes up ...that's alot of downward force, probably equivalent to doing some squats with moderate weights. (Of course this was with good followup and no predisposing conditions like incompetant cervix etc.) Each woman is different, if a woman starts spotting after such an effort or has mild contractions, they need to stop. (I found this to be the case only in women uaccostomed to working out.) That is the key, what seems like incredible exertion for those who don't usually participate in certain sports, is nothing for those women who have been engaging in twice the load, distance, speed etc. before pregnancy.



Posted by: Prince

My wife was working as a full-time waitress until the day she went into labor. (no, she is not a waitress anymore)



Posted by: bandaidwoman

by the way these conditions preclude or contradict excercise until you speak with your doc.

Heart disease
An infectious disease such as hepatitis
Severe high blood pressure
Lung disease
A history of miscarriages
Uterine bleeding
Placenta previa — when the placenta blocks the cervix

I know nurses turning and lifting 300 pound blobs in the hospital in their 8th or 9th month of pregnancy!

Tough!



Posted by: butterfly

Thanks for jumping in bandaidwoman!!! Your input only furthers my belief that IM needs this.

I'd really like someone experienced like yourself to help me come up with a safe routine. The only peeps I can find online with any real knowledge of this charge for their services.



Posted by: bandaidwoman

Butterfly, just pm me or email me anytime. Let me know your reps, weights, type of lifting, etc.

By the way here is a study on how women who excercise vigorously seem to have smarter and less body fat kids! So you are helping yourself as welll as your child!
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damage, whereas the trained men (runners all) experienced very little.
Startling study (cont'd)
If you haven't yet read yesterday's Health Beat item below, consider scrolling down to give it a quick read. This is a continuation of that item. As we reported yesterday, a recent exercise and pregnancy study out of Case Western Reserve University pointed up some amazing things. Namely, a group of 5-year-old children born to women who had exercised vigorously during pregnancy weighed less and had less body fat than 5-year-old children born to women who did no exercise except walking during their pregnancies. (Head researcher James Clapp, M.D., called the children of the walkers "a bit on the fat side.") Pretty interesting stuff, but what really surprised the head researcher was that the 5-year-olds of the vigorously exercising moms scored significantly better on the Wechsler test of general intelligence and coordination. They also scored higher on tests of oral language skills. A final note on the exercise group: They exercised throughout their pregnancies, doing either running, aerobics or cross-country skiing (or some combination of the three) for 30 minutes three times a week.
A startling study on exercise and pregnancy
The exercise you do while pregnant may affect your baby years down the road, according to a new study out of Case Western Reserve University and published in the Journal of Pediatrics. The Case Western researchers separated 40 pregnant women into two groups. Group one was told to exercise vigorously (at a level equivalent to easy running) for 30 minutes three times a week. Group two was told to do no exercise except walking each week. At birth the children of the vigorous exercisers weighed slightly less and had less body fat than did the children of the walkers. Not a big deal so far, but here's the interesting thing: At age 5, the children of the exercisers still weighed less and had lower body fat than did the children of the walkers. The children of the exercise group weren't unduly lean, says researcher James F. Clapp, M.D. But the 5-year-old children of the walkers tended to be "a bit on the fat side," he says.




Posted by: Mudge

Just avoid stress! My friends co-worker lost her second pregnancy from a stressfull job as supervisor, didn't listen and take time off when things got rough. Mild mannered person sometimes but loses her temper and doesn't controll it others.



Posted by: Eggs

I think the idea of a fitness forum for pregnant ladies is a wonderful idea. There would be others in it that Butterfly I'm sure... and as a male, I'm interested in reading up on it for the future when I'm dealing with a wife in that situation.



Posted by: I Are Baboon

We tried a women's forum once, but it got little traffic and was contantly bastardized by men looking for attention. Women could not have a conversation in there without men hijacking every thread.



Posted by: I Are Baboon

Quote:
Originally posted by butterfly
Then why have a sports forum?
It's under "General Interests" and people got sick of us talking about sports in the training forum and open chat.



Posted by: BabsieGirl

As a figure competitor and a mother, I feel this forum should support expecting mommies by granting Butterflies request.

If I knew then what I know now, I'd be in better shape and possibly could've prevented things from happening. Pregnant women and mommies pull together and feel the need to share stories & learning experiences. Mean while, we also need to stay in shape. Know the do and don'ts. How to diet, etc......... How else are "expecting" figure/fitness competitiors to learn what others have done to stay in shape?

This information is gained from the experienced and learned by the inexperienced.

If men go in and bash the thread, I feel the women here can be adult enough to over look stupidity, ignorance & immaturity.


Additionally, who cares what traffic Butterflies request gets? Aren't many of the threads informational referances while others are not so tactful?



Posted by: Dale Mabry

Why not a special populations section here. Rather than only have pregnant folk, you could have old foggies, diabetics, handicapped folk, etc. and then just label threads for each topic and list all the info under it as a sticky. I guess it could be an archived, read only deal with tons of info rather than a forum. I wouldn't want the liability of some newbie telling a preggo chick to do deep, heavy squats in her 3rd trimester.


Don't know what you would call it, I think special populations may not be intuitive enough.



Posted by: Fitgirl70

I think Butterfly is right. I would love to see a Pregnancy Forum on here. Prince, I'm sorry that you feel this is strictly a fitness forum. Ann is right, why have a sports forum or an open chat or online instant chat. I'm not trying to be rude, I'm sorry if I'm coming off that way. I think bandaidwoman is right, fitness doesn't stop because someone got pregnant. If it did, I don't think Oxygen, M&F Hers and other mags would print articles about keeping fit while pregnant, preparing to become mothers or post pregnancy.

Fitness and healthy diets always go hand in hand with pregnancy. It is a staple of a healthy pregnancy.

Please consider it.
Fitgirl70



Posted by: BabsieGirl

Quote:
Originally posted by Dale Mabry
Why not a special populations section here. Rather than only have pregnant folk, you could have old foggies, diabetics, handicapped folk, etc. and then just label threads for each topic and list all the info under it as a sticky. I guess it could be an archived, read only deal with tons of info rather than a forum. I wouldn't want the liability of some newbie telling a preggo chick to do deep, heavy squats in her 3rd trimester.


Don't know what you would call it, I think special populations may not be intuitive enough.

I disagree.

There should be a forum for:

Mens Health and one for Womens Health.

In order to keep men out of the womens health forum and vice versa, Prince can set a trigger that is gender based and linked to the screen name.



Posted by: Dale Mabry

What if I have a friend that is a girl that wants info and wants me to get it for her. Other than pregnancy and menopause, what affliction does a women have that would be handled differently for a male. Diabetics, wheelchair-bound, and people with HIV face the same problems regardless of sex so splitting it up would be pointless.



Posted by: Prince

Quote:
Originally posted by BabsieGirl
There should be a forum for:

Mens Health and one for Womens Health.
I would like to have a general health type forum, but do not have anyone qualified to moderate/lead it.



Posted by: Fitgirl70

I think that's a wonderful idea prince. You're right, I guess unless we have any general practicioners on our forum already that would be willing to do it for us, I'm afraid that a lot of the questions would get answered with not so qualified of a response.

However, I think we are getting off of the beaten path here. We've asked for a Pregnancy Forum. If you want to have a General Health Forum, that would be fine too except maybe the links could be directed to WebMD. I'm sure they do some cross-marketing and and cross-sponsoring and I'm sure they would love to get in on a fitness/bb site, such as ours.



Posted by: BabsieGirl

Quote:
Originally posted by Dale Mabry
What if I have a friend that is a girl that wants info and wants me to get it for her. Other than pregnancy and menopause, what affliction does a women have that would be handled differently for a male. Diabetics, wheelchair-bound, and people with HIV face the same problems regardless of sex so splitting it up would be pointless.

If men want advice from women, they can continue what they're doing, i.e.: Post in the open forum...

That, or IF this happens triggers can still be gender based with an exception to the rule.......For viewing purposes only!



Posted by: Prince

here you go, I found a message board dedicated to pregnant woman: www.pregnancylounge.com





Posted by: katie64

Quote:
Originally posted by Prince
here you go, I found a message board dedicated to pregnant woman: www.pregnancylounge.com

Good way to get out of it, I guess j/k


BTW, it looks like a very informative board


Still could of given one of our favorite girls her own forum (thread)



Posted by: BabsieGirl

Quote:
Originally posted by Prince
I would like to have a general health type forum, but do not have anyone qualified to moderate/lead it.

Let me know if you need help



Posted by: butterfly

Quote:
Originally posted by Prince
here you go, I found a message board dedicated to pregnant woman: www.pregnancylounge.com

I already knew about that one, but thanks... did you check out the fitness section??? It's crap.



Posted by: Dale Mabry

Why not make it read only here and have someone moderate it who puts the research on and simplifies it for those who's head it may be over.



Posted by: butterfly

Then where would we post questions???

Nevermind... it's obvious that Prince is simply not interested. I'll take my request elsewhere.



Posted by: Prince

it's kind of like having the health forum I mentioned, without some truley qualified (like bandaidwoman) I do not see how it's worth having, not to mention the potential liablilty.



Posted by: bandaidwoman

I have to back prince up on this. The liability issue is no laughing matter when it comes to pregnancy. It is the one field of medicine where the statute of limitations extend beyond the two year limit (ie: if you die due to a surgery from an orthopedist or are injured during surgery, medical negligence etc. you have two years to file a suit and that's it) In pregnancy, regarding any advice, treatment, delivery, medicines administered etc. done during a woman's pregnancy, you are liable up to two years past the age of "childhhod" ie: twenty years of age! Obstetricians are being sued 18 years after delivering a child if the child develops a learning disabilty and the parents blame the ob for botched delivery etc. And it's not just OBs, pharamcists are being sued 20 years after giving advice on what over the counter meds to use during pregnancy and the woman felt they caused her child's problems, nutritionists, nurses, midwives etc. etc. Prince could be liable for up to twenty years if anything on the pregancy forum should be viewed culpable by someone as an indirect or direct cause in any complications surrounding a woman's pregnancy and the child's development after birth. You can see why many doctors are leaving the practice of obstetrics and concentrating on gynecology.



Posted by: BabsieGirl

As with any health site, it's clearly understood that ANY advice given is not medical advice and as always the person should seek medical attention from their doctor period.

Question: How could Prince be liable? If that were the case, many of the sites I reference would be liable for providing the "possibilities" of such diagnosis, etc......However as with any site, there is always a note which states......."Any or all information should not be taken as medical advice rather, strickly informational!" Which, is what Butterfly and many of the ladies here are asking for..........it's about asking the ones who have gone through preg., what they've experienced, have they competed prior to and after.......what were their diets like ....etc...etc...etc......

There are people on this board asking all sorts of health questions........They're given suggestions, advice, etc...etc...and I don't see those threads being cancelled because of liability issues....Why is that? It's the same thing.



Posted by: bandaidwoman

All bets are off when it comes to pregnancy. There are cases pending in in court sueing nutritionist's advice over the internet, malpractice lawyers have already warned that anything over internet, despite such " warnings" may not protect people. Trust me, I deal with malpractice attornies all the time, many are good friends. If a patient signs a waiver, many times that still doesn't protect someone from a lawsuit. This comes from friends who are attornies. They state Internet law is still very new, and loopholes are being found everyday. Who ever dreamed that McDonald's could be sued 20 years ago! Even though no suit was awarded, they still had to spend tons of money throwing it out. The jury system is very biased towards a woman and a pregnant child. There is no ryme or reason. Rationlality does not rule. This is one of the reasons why alot of docs are wary of internet medicine, and even providing emailing advice etc vs. phone advice. The insurance companies have told docs they are on their own when it comes to the internet.



Posted by: Prince

Quote:
Originally posted by BabsieGirl
As with any health site, it's clearly understood that ANY advice given is not medical advice and as always the person should seek medical attention from their doctor period.

Question: How could Prince be liable? If that were the case, many of the sites I reference would be liable for providing the "possibilities" of such diagnosis, etc......However as with any site, there is always a note which states......."Any or all information should not be taken as medical advice rather, strickly informational!" Which, is what Butterfly and many of the ladies here are asking for..........it's about asking the ones who have gone through preg., what they've experienced, have they competed prior to and after.......what were their diets like ....etc...etc...etc......

There are people on this board asking all sorts of health questions........They're given suggestions, advice, etc...etc...and I don't see those threads being cancelled because of liability issues....Why is that? It's the same thing.
what if a pregnant female came here and asked a fitness question and we advised her on it, and she had a miscarriage? This is quite different than some asking if their diet looks okay, or if they're work-out routine needs any adjustments.

the same reason I would never build a diet for someone and tell them to follow it, what if I did and they were diabetic and they died?

yes there is a disclaimer here: http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/disclaimer.php but as badaidwoman said certain liablilties would still be incurred despite a disclaimer.



Posted by: BabsieGirl

Maybe I'm just old fashion......I think if a person asks for advice.....the advice that is given should be taken at their own discretion/risk............

If that's the case, we shouldn't be aloud to give advice period....because you're the Forum President...what ever we say could leave you liable regardless. You are the master moderator.

You said:
Quote:
what if a pregnant female came here and asked a fitness question and we advised her on it, and she had a miscarriage?
Fitness is fitness......pregnant or not...Man or woman.....advice is given and taken upon your own risk.

What if a man (who has deteriorating bones) came here as asked a fitness question...advice was given to him...he ended up breaking a bone? Wouldn't IM be liable then?

I know the law...but some of this is horse pooh...not pooh on you but pooh on what other people do just to make a buck in this world......Everyone is too sue happy and it's pissing me off!

I hope you don't think I'm arguing with you...i'm just razed up by people idiocies is all.......



Posted by: Prince

I think the context is different though.

If someone asks what are some good supplements, we give our opinion, we do not say go get X supplement and take X mg's 3 times per day.

I might say I take X supplement X mg's and X times per day and that works for me, or many people have reported that X amount gave them good results, or the manufacturer recommends, etc.

If someone asks (and they do) my shoulder hurts when I move it, my typical answer is rest, ice, anti-inflamatory and see a specialist, that is about all I will advise.



Posted by: Prince

also, when someone registers on this board they agree to this:

All messages express the views of the author, and neither the owners of IronMagazine BodyBuilding Forums or Jelsoft Enterprises Limited (developers of vBulletin) will be held responsible for the content of any message.



Posted by: BabsieGirl

I agree.......

If I were to give advice about pregnancy........or any other.....I would reply the same way as you have from above.

I'm sure we all have our debates though when it boils down to...."But how much should I take?"....

I see where you're coming from...What I do disagree with is people sueing "just because."



Posted by: Stacey

I think a pregnancy forum would be great to have on this board. I workout/ and eat clean year round--and it's apart of my life--
I will be getting pregnant sometime this year...and wish I could have something on THIS board to have reference to--and get other people's advice. Sure, there are a ton of pregnancy forums...but most of them are not talking about lifting weights, running, etc.. while pregnant.

Great Idea Butterfly--even if Prince doesn't do it--thanks for trying for us!!



Posted by: Dale Mabry

Just a couple points to back up Prince's statement on liability. On the pregnancy side, I have been working as a clinical researcher in maternal fetal medicine for just over 3 years and trust me, you do not want to be liable for anything that arises. When I was a PT part-time, I would still not give training advice to pregnant women even though I thought I was more than qualified to do so. As bandaid woman pointed out, people are sue happy these days and if they can find a reason to sue you, they will. Number 2, if an otherwise healthy male performs something you tell him to and hurts himself, there was an inherent risk in performing the activity and he chose to do so. A pregnant woman would be a special case and if the person who told her to do something is not qualified to do so, they can be held liable.




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