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Posted by: SRC

OK, I've done a lot more reading than writing on this site to learn as much as possible, but I have three random Q's I can't find the answers to:

1. If OTC pro-hormones are slightly, if not substantially inferior to anabolic steroids, then why are the recommended cycle lengths for PH's so much shorter than for AS's?

2. What’s the difference between 4-HT and 4-AD?

3. I’m using Dermabolics 1-T right now and have followed all the instructions from the FAQ's on this site. Are there any other methods besides (scrubbing the application area before usage and using the spray on thin-skinned areas) that might increase absorption even more (i.e. applying rubbing alcohol first)?

Thanks!!!


Posted by: dg806

2) 4 hydroxy and 4 ad are completely different compounds.

3) That's about it.............no rubbing alcohol.


Posted by: SRC

No response for #1?

No disrespect, but I know that 4ad and 4 ht are completely diff. compounds, but what's the difference?
For example, on the 1fast400 site, they list 4ad in the prohormone section and 4ht in the "steroidal" section.


Posted by: Power Rabbit

ill answer number one...its cause people who normally run ph's(and want to stay legal) dont have access to the post cycle drugs that are needed for a fairly big cycle....6oxo wont cut it IMO ....plus people are just more conservative in general with ph's...I am starting a 10 week cycle tomorrow(about a steroid cycle length) watch my thread to see how it goes:-)


Posted by: dg806

Quote:
Originally posted by SRC
No response for #1?

No disrespect, but I know that 4ad and 4 ht are completely diff. compounds, but what's the difference?
For example, on the 1fast400 site, they list 4ad in the prohormone section and 4ht in the "steroidal" section.
Not sure what your asking...................it's like 4/ad and 1-test. They are not similar. Just because it has a 4 in it's name, doesn't mean it is close to 4/ad. It is a steriod, not a PH.

Unlike prohormones, 4-OHT does not require enzymatic conversion to have an anabolic effect. It has been around for many years. Chemically, 4-OHT is testosterone with a hydroxy group at the four position, making it most similar to the steroid clostebol. It has no DHT conversion. It also acts as a mild anti-estrogen. So you should get no water gain from this.
4-OHT has low oral bioavailability and should be taken through a different route. It has a very short half life. Doses for transdermal should be in the range of 150-300 mg daily, stacked with another PH, (my choice would be 4/ad).


Posted by: dg806

Quote:
Originally posted by Power Rabbit
ill answer number one...its cause people who normally run ph's(and want to stay legal) dont have access to the post cycle drugs that are needed for a fairly big cycle....6oxo wont cut it IMO ....plus people are just more conservative in general with ph's...I am starting a 10 week cycle tomorrow(about a steroid cycle length) watch my thread to see how it goes:-)
Yes we have access to drugs, but IMO, from what I've seen is most gains on PH's diminish after several weeks and you are wasting money after that as you will see no further gains.


Posted by: SRC

Thanks guys.
OK, what if I were to run a cycle stacking:
6-8 weeks
Methyl 1-Test for strength (oral liquid)
4-AD for size (transdermal)
4-OHT (oral or tans)
2-3 weeks
Liquid Novaldex PTC cycle
I figure, if I'm going to drop some decent $'s on this stuff, I might as well get as much packed into one long cycle as possible.
BTW - I have had pretty decent results and had minimal loss in gains from a bi-monthly on/off cycle of various 1-T/4-AD cycles. Would throwing 4-OHT in to the mix enhance these gains???
One more Q, if the transdermal doesn't burn, does that mean I'm still getting decent absorbtion from it?


Posted by: Prince

Quote:
Originally posted by SRC
3. I’m using Dermabolics 1-T right now and have followed all the instructions from the FAQ's on this site. Are there any other methods besides (scrubbing the application area before usage and using the spray on thin-skinned areas) that might increase absorption even more (i.e. applying rubbing alcohol first)?
the only other advice I can give you on this is apply it to your upper arms, shoulders and abdomen, you will get the most amount of absorption in those areas.


Posted by: Power Rabbit

Quote:
Originally posted by dg806
Yes we have access to drugs, but IMO, from what I've seen is most gains on PH's diminish after several weeks and you are wasting money after that as you will see no further gains.

heh ya make a good point...but im not sure why that is..4ad makes test...and a 12 week cycle of test shows results throughout the cycle..does it have to do with the 4ad conversion in the liver?....guess we will have to see how my cycle goes


Posted by: dg806

Quote:
Originally posted by Power Rabbit
heh ya make a good point...but im not sure why that is..4ad makes test...and a 12 week cycle of test shows results throughout the cycle..does it have to do with the 4ad conversion in the liver?....guess we will have to see how my cycle goes
This question would be better answered by Patrick Arnold.



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