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Posted by: flexster

Anyone ever run d-bol by itself?

Posted by: ST240

tons of ppl do... do a search about it....

dont quote me because im definately NOT a vet in this area but im pretty sure you can but you should run it for at least 6 weeks or else you will just make water gains...

make sure you have nolva too incase gyno starts to show

i think im gonna try going something like 15 20 25 30 25 20mg per week....

Posted by: Mudge

Dont friggin taper.

I would not at all say tons of people have done it, maybe in the Ciba dbol days but not lately. Yes people have done it, but not tons. On the whole from the few I have seen do it, I would say people keep about 50% of thier gains.

Posted by: Power Rabbit

yea..tapering dosent work cause even alittle androgen will shut down your hpta...40mg will shut you down about as much as 20

Posted by: Mudge

Certain instances could call for tapering but I would say it primarly has to do with long cycles, which nobody here is really bringing up

Posted by: oaktownboy

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Originally posted by ST240
tons of ppl do... do a search about it....

dont quote me because im definately NOT a vet in this area but im pretty sure you can but you should run it for at least 6 weeks or else you will just make water gains...

make sure you have nolva too incase gyno starts to show

i think im gonna try going something like 15 20 25 30 25 20mg per week....

where did u get this info?

Posted by: ST240

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Originally posted by oaktownboy
where did u get this info?

i can bring up the post if youd like... also i was saying thats what i was gonna try not what he should do....

Posted by: ST240

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...highlight=dbol go nuts oaktown

Posted by: oaktownboy

people usually don't run a cycle just consisting of dbol...i personally would be a little worried about gyno

Posted by: oaktownboy

run a regular cycle just of dbol with a fair amount of doasge per day and tell me ur results alonf with any sides

Posted by: SJ69

it's interesting though, because a lot of people are doing cycles of just 1-m-t. Granted these are not "steroid people", but it seems to work. In other words it seems like you can get and keep gains from an oral, but this is not the ultimate way to do it. If you have the means to get d-bol, then you could prob also get test and be a lot better off just using the d-bol to front load your test, or test=deca cycle. Just MHO

Posted by: oaktownboy

but the cycle is a hella shorter..only 2 weeks bro

Posted by: oaktownboy

and not as potent as dianabol either

Posted by: SJ69

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Originally posted by oaktownboy
and not as potent as dianabol either

I Know (I think)

But if d-bol is stronger than 1-m-t then it should work even better.
Agree?

Posted by: oaktownboy

of course

Posted by: oaktownboy

but long cycles of dbol by itself might be asking for it

Posted by: SJ69

I agree,
maybe a short cycle of d-bol would be worthwhile.
I guess you'd just have to find the "sweet spot".
Maybe three weeks 25mg/ed then PCT???
(5X a day)

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally posted by SJ69
But if d-bol is stronger than 1-m-t then it should work even better.
Agree?

Oh, so kind of like the super intense fast gains of Anadrol that nobody can seem to hold onto?

Nice theory anyway.

Posted by: SJ69

Of course you would have to understand the limitations.

Posted by: oaktownboy

i definetly agree on short cycles of dbol..Mudge would definetly know better than i would though

Posted by: SJ69

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Originally posted by Mudge
Oh, so kind of like the super intense fast gains of Anadrol that nobody can seem to hold onto?

Nice theory anyway.

So is it "really" stronger or just better at hydrating the muscle?

Posted by: SJ69

Maybe we need an operational definition of "stronger"

Posted by: Mudge

Anadrol and dbol are both water gain steroids, probably due to thier propensity to either directly or indirectly raise estrogen levels quickly.

Anadrol has a tendency to bind to estrogen receptors, and people use alot more than dbol (50mg-150mg is typical), although it has a poorer binding ability overall it still puts on weight the fastest for most people. I am beginning to think that I am more a dbol fan, I get great strength from anadrol but I dont get the 40 pounds in a month type gains that others do, but my pathetic 4500 calorie a day diet isn't going to cut it either.

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally posted by SJ69
Maybe we need an operational definition of "stronger"

* More weight gains with Anadrol
* Faster gains in strength with Anadrol
* Typically more side effects (lethargy, high BP from fast gains/water)
* One of the powerlifters favorite drugs

My own experience using two different brands of anadrol is more along the lines of strength, I dont get any sides from it. 10 pounds on my bench every 5 days. I have come across someone else like myself, doesn't do anything for size without 5k+ calories, and frankly most people eat half this. Some people have a major loss of appetite and still make great gains in weight (water).

With the water gains induced, people may tend to call you "moonface." Dbol can do the same thing in some people, again water gain steroids.

Posted by: SJ69

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Originally posted by Mudge
* More weight gains with Anadrol
* Faster gains in strength with Anadrol
* Typically more side effects (lethargy, high BP from fast gains/water)
* One of the powerlifters favorite drugs

My own experience using two different brands of anadrol is more along the lines of strength, I dont get any sides from it. 10 pounds on my bench every 5 days.

True, but Anadrol typically comes in 50mg pills (10X d-bol and 5X 1-m-t)
So, mg for mg, which gives the best KEEPABLE gains???
Sooo many variables.............
If you can't keep some of it, what's it worth?
I agree most people seem to gain more from Anadrol, from what I hear, but the doses are higher and the gains are harder to keep.

Posted by: SJ69

It seems like most orals are "easy come, easy go"
But at least with 1-m-t I kept 90% of my gains, even though my gains couldn't compare to Anadrol.
I wonder if my bench would be higher 6 months after a straifgt anadrol cycle or a straight 1-m-t cycle????????
Interesting, I think this should be explored.

Posted by: Mudge

If you want keepable gains, slow and steady wins the race. I can't say much about M1T because not everyone gets weight gain with it, but seriously I just dont understand that at all because its not something that has ever happened to me in my using anything, ANYTHING.

I dont gain weight from drugs past a few initial pounds, and I'm not lying, nothing I use does that for me. I wish I could say that I was blessed with not having alot of aromatase action but I dont know that I would believe that at all, because I have always had ~15% or greater bodyfat unless I work the diet over and I have never payed attention to diet until about 2 years ago unless it was simply eating less food.

Orals are kick starters, not something IMO you'd want to rely on as some kind of mass builder for the rest of your steroid days. If you are "only" going to run one or two cycles and then be willing to quit then maybe its not so bad, but seriously I have doubts that anyone does "one or two cycles" and walks away.

People tend to want to get back what they lose between cycles, and unless you want the Brad Pitt look, one or two cycles is not enough to get most people where they want to be if they want some serious mass, and certainly a couple oral cycles wont get you there.

Dbol also seems to be higher in overall side effects like skin acne, I have to assume this is from the quick blood fluctuations that you dont see with an injectable steroid due to the much longer lasting esters.

So if you are planning on one or two cycles give it a shot, study up on your post cycle treatment, nail down a dietary plan and pick something to go with. But if you are only doing one or two cycles I would PERSONALLY stay legal, try them first and see how you do with them.

If you think you want to put on some serious gains over years of time, then you are going to have to bite the bullet and stop being a p#ssy whipped 5 year old and stick yourself

There are more people interested in dbol only cycles, with the newbies hitting the boards who are needle-scared, and like I said of those that have tried it I almost always see "I kept half my gains" which is better than what some people would tell you.

Posted by: Mudge

Posted by: SJ69

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Originally posted by Mudge

LOL, that's great!!

Posted by: SJ69

Me, personally, I don't give a shit, I'm not afraid of anything really. If I could walk into CVS and get 5g's of Sustanon, knowing it's the REAL shit.....well, I'll tell you what, that 315 wouldn't be a max goal, it would be a rep goal.
I've been rolled over in a car, shot at, had increased intercranial pressure, etc, a little 25g needle don't me.
BTW, I got the flu shot thisd year with a 23g needle by a nursing STUDENT in my delt. I trust myself more than her.

Posted by: Mudge

23g for a water based injection? It will even drip out of a 25g, strange but maybe they have a reason for using a 23g. My dad has marks on his right delt from the military injections he got, I have to assume they were 18g.

I didn't see anything about 315 but maybe I didn't read the whole thread, I had people putting me down for starting when I was benching 265. I have no idea how far I could have gone naturally, but at a bodyweight of 215 I felt relatively happy with that. I am tall and was never a great bencher, so for me that was pretty good I felt.

Posted by: SJ69

Yeah, I asked her "What gauge needle is that" she looked at the package she pulled it from and said "23".
Then, after she stuck me and aspirated (sp?) I asked if she pulled back to make sure she didn't hit a vein. She saud "yes".
I was tryin to learn as much as poss about IM injections and she was learning also, thus the free shot.

As far as max bench - the number itself really doesn't matter, the per cent increase is, however useful in gauging your progress.
I could give two sh1ts about what anybody thinks about my max, it's all about me against me (mostly, sometimes I do fall into the trap)
Your ave guy, walkin the steets can't max his own body weight, so we have no insecurities here.

Posted by: SJ69

I have a HUGE scar on my left delt from some childhood vaccination they no longer do, maybe Polio.

Posted by: Mudge

Your average white or asian guy maybe can't bench his own weight

I have a PDF somewhere on how to inject. I got a shot in my ass when I was a kid, but seriously I dont remember it being a big pin, 23/25/27 who knows. I personally have used 23/25/27 and have no scars anywhere.

Posted by: Power Rabbit

i got bit by a rabid cat when i was real young...got like 20 rabies shots for it.....hoooooge fuckin needle in my stomach....def left a mark

Posted by: ST240

ok. so the question is still unsanswered.... some say dbol is good on its own.... some (like mudge) say is isnt so great.....

SO: is it good on its own) or not

Posted by: JerseyDevil

...OK, here's a thought. What about stacking dbol with transdermal 4AD? On the AM board, some claim trans 4AD (in large doses) is the next best thing to test injections.

Posted by: ZECH

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Originally posted by ST240
ok. so the question is still unsanswered.... some say dbol is good on its own.... some (like mudge) say is isnt so great.....

SO: is it good on its own) or not

I would opt to stack it with an injectable and use it as a kickstart like Mudge said, not by itself.

Posted by: ZECH

Quote:

Originally posted by JerseyDevil
...OK, here's a thought. What about stacking dbol with transdermal 4AD? On the AM board, some claim trans 4AD (in large doses) is the next best thing to test injections.

I love 4/ad and it does work good for me. But after 4 to 6 weeks of heavy transdermal, my cholesterol is way High!

Posted by: Just a guy

look.... DO IT... if u want to lose your gains... well maybe only keep 50% of it... just go ahead... shit if i could have done it over... i would have done a d-bol only cycle just to see what roiding was like... so i could perfect my next cycle... if u got money to blow... go do it

Posted by: Just a guy

oh... and u say that your goal is 315 or u wanna rep 315... D-bol WILL get u there... but as soon as your off that shit... guarantee on about a 265 limit.... there was a guy in my Weightlifting class that was a couple grades over me... he was taking JUST d-bol for the longest time... he was a big ripped son of a bitch... but then he got a scholarship to play baseball and had to stop with the roids... u should have saw him... it was terrible... Do u want that to happen?? u know how depressed u will feel after being like... yeh.. im the man... and then come back to highschool and everyone see you and be like DAMN u shrunk like a son of a bitch

Posted by: Flex

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Originally posted by Just a guy
... but as soon as your off that shit...

u know how depressed u will feel after being like... yeh.. im the man... and then come back to highschool and everyone see you and be like DAMN u shrunk like a son of a bitch

so far, i've only lost size, not ANY strength. I've just lost all the "illusion" waterwieght that makes you look/feel like a fuckin dinosaur.

it is pretty depressing after you come off. but you just gotta try to remember how you were before you cycled. you gotta think of ANY gains as gains....not the losses that you incur from waterweight.

Posted by: Flex

Quote:

Originally posted by ST240

SO: is it good on its own) or not

the only people that want to do dbol only cycles are the ones that are afraid of needles.

put it this way, hit the needles or its not worth it.......

Posted by: prolangtum

The reason most people lose most dbol only gains is because they are uneducated, and dont know how to run proper PCT. Because if they were educated they wouldnt be running dbol alone. That being said, you can make decent and keepable gains on dbol only. Just know for every 6 lbs you gain while on cycle, roughly 2-3 lbs is water weight. I would also taper off a dbol cycle, say run 40mgs for 4 weeks, 25mgs for one week, and then 10-15mgs for the final week, in order to lower your water weight slowly so there is not a big drop off of water and strength.

Posted by: oaktownboy

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Originally posted by dg806
I would opt to stack it with an injectable and use it as a kickstart like Mudge said, not by itself.

go nuts ST

Posted by: Power Rabbit

test is best....

Posted by: ST240

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Originally posted by oaktownboy
go nuts ST

the fuck is your problem buddy?

Posted by: Evil ANT

I was initially a little freaked out about doing a shot, but when the time came, I didn't hesitate even one second. Injection was very easy. I didn't even feel a thing. Now I actually enjoy doing it.

Think about it this way;

Taking dbol by itself has health risks anyway. If you're going to pop some dbol, might as well just do some actual injections here and there as well. It's not going to hurt anything. Granted I'm no expert, but people who want to cycle only dbol remind me of people who smoke cigarettes and drink but refuse to smoke weed. If you're doing one, might as well just do the other.

Posted by: Mudge

Alot of us look at it the same way, those people who will do extacy and smoke and drink but OH GAWD YOU USE STEROIDS?

Posted by: Evil ANT

Yup.

That's what really pisses me off. I know a lot of my friends would flip out if they found out I was using gear, yet most of them smoke and drink quite often. I seriously feel that reasonable amounts of steroids are way healthier in the long run than cigarettes or alchohol.

When I was thinking about just taking dbol, I realized, "wait, since dbol has potential risks anyway, shouldn't I just bite the bullet and do some test injections, too?"

Posted by: ST240

the only thing that mi worried about is injecting too much or too little, not measuring it properly... im not scared of the injection process itself

Posted by: prolangtum

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Originally posted by ST240
the only thing that mi worried about is injecting too much or too little, not measuring it properly... im not scared of the injection process itself

Its not exactly rocket science, if you can read numbers and see lines, then you should have zero problems. A child could measure out ccs

Posted by: ST240

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Originally posted by prolangtum
Its not exactly rocket science, if you can read numbers and see lines, then you should have zero problems. A child could measure out ccs

just my thoughts man

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally posted by ST240
the only thing that mi worried about is injecting too much or too little, not measuring it properly... im not scared of the injection process itself

So you might get 20mg more one week and 20 less another, thats nothing to write home about.

Posted by: Power Rabbit

ya ...unless your useing pharmacutical company human grade gear the amout of acitve steroid is gonna vary abit....that includes orals....dont think for a second that orals are not underdosed/misdosed on occasion...

I do think jabbing is the way to go...if you look at the pros and cons, orals almost seem more dangerous due to the stress a 17aa steroid puts on your liver...

Posted by: Mudge

Shoot seriously, if you were that anal about doses you'd be shooting yourself once an hour and splitting up your pills into slices so small that you could take them every 15 minutes.

Or how about just worrying about playing with your natural hormone levels in the first place, thats a much larger issue than getting more or less one shot versus another. After all people used to pyramid and it didn't kill anyone.

Dont take it too far now.

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