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Originally posted by Mudge A human being can only put on so much weight by eating, and can only put on so much so fast before simply dropping dead. Thats your explanation bro, its not healthy to shoot for 50 or 60 pounds in 2 months, thats completely and utterly assinine. |
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Originally posted by darklight "incase you respond to androgens sensitively" how would i know this? |
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Originally posted by Mudge High bodyfat, and experience which is yet another reason you dont: #1 Use a shitload of drugs for a first cycle #2 Use high doses for a first cycle Using test by itself helps tell you how you respond to it, and seriously gaining 20 or 30 pounds by increased food intake is CAKE. Beyond that point it starts getting hard IMO, this is where gains become a problem, not the dose - the food. The first time I upped my prop dose from 700 to 1050 weekly, I started feeling crappy within 2 days, I didn't last long like that, not worth it. Who makes the test enanthate you are looking at? |
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Originally posted by gr81 be that as it may, the statement that a peron running a low dose will put on as much weight as a person mega dosing is assinine. |
| You certainly are not going to drop dead from that dose either, that is ridiculous. |
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Originally posted by gr81 What does experience have to do with it too, if you can run that dose later, you can run it sooner. |
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Originally posted by Mudge No it isn't, bodyweight gains come from food, not from 100 calories of oil you stuck in your ass last week. Thanks, I thought that the weight comes out of thin air too. what was I thinking. but hey you are right, a 160 lb male doesn't need that much test, in fact he needt to drop the steroids and work his weight up naturally, not rely on eth drugs to get him there. A 160 pound male does not need 800mg of test a week to make gains, this is beyond comical. I put on about 20 pounds keeping most of it, and still in that amount of time my heart rate was up especially when I moved. I sweated like a freaking whale, going much above this is not healthy and even my level of weight gain is pushing it. Once again you seem to think that b/c your body responds a certain way, that everys does. 600mg of test put someones blood test at 3600ng for total testosterone, if someone can't make gains off that much test then they should take up chess because they obviously dont have the stomach for it. If a person is willing to put thier health at risk to gain 20% faster that is thier own business, but I would never push someone into doing that, or steroids for that matter. Let someone take their own life into thier hands. I am not pushing anyone to do anything, I am merely offering a different opinion to the subject, which you obviously can't handle someone doing. I didn't realize that what mudge says goes and your way of doing things is the absolut way of doing it. How many boards do you go on and tell everyone to run such high doses for first cycles? How many people agree with you? I've never seen you anywhere else. What is your point here? I don't go on baoards and tell people anything. There are lots and lots of poeple that agree with me man. i don't see why you are getting all worked up about it for, like no one has ever disagreed with you before. You have never heard of people endorsing high doses, give me a break. |
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Originally posted by Mudge So in your expert, I've been running gear since May 2003 opinion, you would suggest someone jump right onto 300mg of anadrol along with 100mg of dbol and 5 grams of test and EQ weekly? How does 16iu of GH sound with that? Is that about where you are coming from? |
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Originally posted by gr81 Once again you seem to think that b/c your body responds a certain way, that everys does. |
| I am not pushing anyone to do anything, I am merely offering a different opinion to the subject, which you obviously can't handle someone doing. I didn't realize that what mudge says goes and your way of doing things is the absolut way of doing it. |
If we look at John Defendis its the same story:|
It was an era when most bodybuilders relied on ballistic and animalistic training to Get Big and Grow Strong! Bodybuilders utilized nutrition and vitamins to make progress and supplemented with minimal Steroids in order to survive the torturous workouts. Now, with drugs like Growth Hormone and IGF-1 accessible, the bodybuilders of today are crying "OVERTRAINING" consistently. With steroid use and abuse running rampant, I feel that the complaints of overtraining by a young, strong, juiced up "Champion" is unwarranted. John Defendis |
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Originally posted by darklight how would i see that i'll need to use anti-arom? in oher words, how would i know that it's running fine? |
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Originally posted by gr81 That just happens to be your opinion and your experience. many other people have the opposite experience. |
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Originally posted by gr81 now you are just putting words into my mouth. I wouldnt' advise anyone to run orals at that high a dose. I never said 5 grams of test, I said 800mgs, which is a gross exaggeration. Nor did I say 100mgs dbol or 300 abomb. That is not where I am coming from at all. I suggest that people start off high instead fo working up for some silly reason. Not extreme mega doses like you posted, but higher doses than 400 mesely mgs of test. |
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Originally posted by gr81 You also cant say that you have horrible genetics. Horribel genetics would be some kid who is a 150 or some shit like that. |
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Originally posted by Mudge Nice post, good flavor. I would say on a scale of 1:10, minus my height I feel like I am maybe a 4, but then again I'm a white guy. My natural bodytype is thin, with higher bodyfat than I choose, if you look in my gallery I have a pic of me during a comeback about 2 years ago. I look like a f#cking stick, and I was 210-215 pounds there. |
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