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Posted by: EagleEye

Does anybody squat with knee wraps? Is it good/bad? Recommended/not recommended?

Posted by: Thegame2001

Only when I squat in the 3-5 rep range, heavy squats.

Posted by: Maki Riddington

If you squat properly they are'nt needed.
On the other hand I don't squat 600 pounds........

Posted by: Thegame2001

Not needed?
Not unless you don't care about your knee joints.
I squat 500 for 3-5 reps deep and would never think about doing that without my wraps.

Posted by: Maki Riddington

IMO things like belts, wraps, etc are not needed unless you have a old injury, or are squatting very heavy loads.

I squat over 400 pounds and I never use a belt or wraps.
When I go up in weight and increase my squat I still won't use wraps.
I'm sure I could squat more if I used wraps.

Posted by: Thegame2001

But the sure way to have an old injury is not protecting yourself from injury.
So logical.
Why never use a belt or wrap UNTIL you injure a knee or back?
Thats caveman thinking.....

Posted by: EagleEye

I've used wraps before and was able to squat more weight with them, but wasn't sure if it was the recommended thing to do.

Posted by: Prince

I think a belt should be used for heavy lifting. I do not really care for knee wraps though.

Posted by: ALBOB

Hey Game, could I alleviate some of the pain I was asking about last week if I used wraps for my heavy sets. Or would I be just masking the pain and doing more damage?

Posted by: Thegame2001

Albob,
I think you would alleviate some of the pain, might be masking more injury however. But also with better support to the knee would probably be preventing greater injury. I'd see a doc man, get a MRI!!!!! You blow that wheel out completely and your *ucked.

Posted by: ALBOB

Yeah, I know. I'm still just delaying the inevitable.

Posted by: Mesofreaky

heres my thing, if you can't squat it without belts and suits and wraps, you're not really squatting all the elastic and leather you have on your body is. You should just wait till you can handle it single ply, do some stuff to get your back stronger or your knees, or both. I Mean if you changed the situation a lil stuff like that would be un-acceptable, for example if you took the elastic off your body and put it between the bar and the ceiling, theres no way it would be acceptable. No one would count it as a real squat with a big rubber band between the bar and the ceiling, so why do they think its ok when its on your body, its all a big cop out to me.

Posted by: Charger

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[i][b]Originally posted by Mesofreaky No one would count it as a real squat with a big rubber band between the bar and the ceiling, so why do they think its ok when its on your body, its all a big cop out to me.

You lost me here??? Why would you compare wraps and belts to a rubber band?????
I wear a belt when I am going heavy, to be honest the only reason is piece of mind. It is like a security blanket but it sure doesn't lift any weight.

Posted by: Thegame2001

I think hes trying to say wraps make you bounce up like a spring with 500 pounds on your back. *chuckle* The wraps don't lift the weight either. I drive that up with my quads. I don't wrap with 315 or lighter, heavier well I want to protect my knees. I'm not a fool thats going to blow a knee up with 515 on my back.

Posted by: Scotty the Body

I use a belt when I'm near my max but as my max goes up so does the weight that I start using the belt.

Like charger said, its more peice of mind than anything, I'm not getting any younger and I don't want a lay off because of injury.

Posted by: Thegame2001

Good point Scotty....

Also incorporate deadlifts to strength the back, another must.

Posted by: Mesofreaky

OMG if you can't see how the elastic is basically take the weight off you and the belt is basically taking your back out of the movement than you're either really dense or blinded by how wraps and suit make you able to use more weight. If you took that elastic off your knees and out of your suit and put it between the bar and the ceiling (in the form of a rubber band) it would take the same amount of weight off you and would be unacceptable. I never said they make you bounce up like springs but if you can't use just muscle power to lift and you need a lil elastic to take the weight off you you're not really squatting it at all. The reason you would blow your knees without wraps isn;t cause 500 lbs magically will crush your knees even if you have the muscle power, its cause you don't have the muscle power to begin with and YOU CAN'T SQUAT THE WEIGHT, Get over your ego you're not doin anything special to your body by using wraps and loading 500 on a bar when the wraps and suit take some of the weight off you anyway. You're not really lifting 500 lbs. so if you max at 450 strapless and you manage to put enough straps and a thick enough suit on to take off 50 lbs and put up 500 you're still squatting 450 you're not doin anything special to your muscles. The only thing you're exercising is you ego, so get over it.!

Posted by: Thegame2001

Uh okay God.

Posted by: Scotty the Body

Your entitled to your opinion Mesofreaky, and I agree to a point but as you get older, I'm sure you’ll come to appreciate the fact that using belts "WILL" help to prevent injury when lifting near max.

Posted by: Thegame2001

CANCEL ALL POWERLIFTING RECORDS!!!!! They wore suits!!!!!!!

Posted by: Thegame2001

At 43, i'm wearing a belt and wraps. And I never said I could squat the same amount without wraps so not sure where freaky got that idea.

Posted by: Scotty the Body

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Originally posted by Thegame2001
CANCEL ALL POWERLIFTING RECORDS!!!!! They wore suits!!!!!!!

What?!? Next you'll be telling me they were all on AS to!!!

Posted by: Scotty the Body

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Originally posted by Thegame2001
At 43,

OMG, your 43?!?, fuck your old.

J/K

Posted by: Thegame2001

i'm old as dirt and still kicking it off me!

Posted by: Prince

Alright, we don't want flame wars.

Let's try and disagree with grace guys.

Posted by: Thegame2001

Prince ,
I moderate over at Musclemag and a couple of your members here got banned from there for flaming. I'll not reply to them further, think you will see from their behavior.

Posted by: THE_GAME

your an ex-mod and I wonder why?

I apologize prince for this inconvenience

Posted by: Thegame2001

lets get the total story. I was asked to moderate again and politely told them no thanks. I'm not banned from the site as you are. Last post to you junior, just getting the total story out there.

I carry a lot of knowledge about this sport. Won 11 shows. I stand on my accomplishments. Yours?

Posted by: THE_GAME

I'm 17, weighing in at 180lbs. I haven't competed in any competitions yet.

Edit by Scotty: I'm getting a little tired of the flaming, this tread is about squatting, if you don't have anything to say about it then don't say anything.

Posted by: w8lifter

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Originally posted by Thegame2001
lets get the total story. I was asked to moderate again and politely told them no thanks.

Yes, lets get the story straight game, you were not asked to moderate again.

Posted by: Charger

Good try to stop something Scotty that could get ugly.

Posted by: w8lifter

Sorry, I should know better...it really is nobody's business why Game is not modding any more, but there's no reason to lie about being asked again

Posted by: ALBOB

In an attempt to get back to the original subject I think there's some confusion as to what "assistance" is given by belts and knee wraps. They provide support to joints NOT muscles. If you can't lift 500 pounds without them you can't lift it WITH them either. The belts and knee wraps only provide support to the joints and therefore an extra safety measure during those lifts, they are not doing the lifting. With that in mind, the analogy about the rubber band attached to the ceiling is comparing apples to oranges.

Posted by: Prince

It depends on how you use knee wraps.

The way a powerlifter uses them they act like a spring to the knee, and they provide more than just support.

Posted by: Thegame2001

Once you get up to 500 pounds or so, there ain't very much spring in those wraps.....

Posted by: ALBOB

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Originally posted by Prince
The way a powerlifter uses them they act like a spring to the knee, and they provide more than just support.

Good point, no argument from me. BUT.......as body builders, we shouldn't be using them the same way power lifters do. They should only serve as support to the joints as an extra measure of protection against injury. They should NOT take any stress off the working muscles. That would contradict the purpose of lifting the weight in the first place.

Posted by: fitness4life

I agree with thegame 2001. I also use wraps when using heavy weights in the 3-5reps because it puts a lot of stress on the knees.

Posted by: tommyguns

Maybe the reason mesofreaky is so much against lifting with belts and knee wraps is because he has never got under a 500 lb squat and felt the pain all the way down to the bone. There is NO WAY IN HELL that a pair of wraps and a belt are going to lift 500 lbs for you. You have to have the intensity and power to move that f**kin weight your damn self, and if not, your askin to get killed.. Plain and simple, wraps and belts help to protect your back and knees

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