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Posted by: BULL

I'm on a six week cycle of deca which i kicked off with d-bol. My strength has definitely improved but not my weight and i'm at the end of fourth week, whats wrong? i eat about 4 times a day and take protein twice a day. I sleep good and drink water. I am 5,5 and weigh 154pounds....i feel like i'm wasting money....

Posted by: plouffe

About four times daily? First off, you should be eating about 6-7 times daily. Secondly there shouldn't be no " about ". If you're gonna put the money in for a cycle - do it right. Although you should always track your diet, definatly make sure you have a consistant diet when cycling. Get your diet inorder now.

Posted by: Mudge

Protein twice a day? I can tell right now your diet is completely off, this is why you are supposed to learn how to train naturally before you jump into steroids. Diet gives you size, not drugs.

Posted by: Just a guy

damn i get protein shakes 4-5 times a day

Posted by: dg806

154 lbs and steriods

Posted by: Michael D

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Originally posted by dg806
154 lbs and steriods

What does bodyweight have to do with the use of steroids?

I assume that you feel like steroids are reserved for people who want to be 300lb bbs. Well, if a 220 lb man wants to add some muscle why can't a little guy? I see a lot of people think you should work out naturally until you reach your potential, and then step it up with gear. I honestly believe one can never reach his potential. I don't care how hard he tries. There is always something he could have done better.

Plus, some people don't want to be huge. I don't have a specific weight I want to be at but I will no it when I get there. Probably between 210 and 230. I haven't been working out steady for very long, and my diet is far from perfect but I am planning a small first cycle because I want to. I am not lazy but yes a bit impatient. I am going to work as hard as I do now but I will be helped along with the use of technology.

I can understand why you would be kind of stern with him regarding general knowledge of the stuff but why does size always have to be a determining factor?

Posted by: Mudge

True, steroids aren't just a big mans drug, we have bicyclists that are "gurus" and such. The problem here is though, the person doesn't understand why he is not gaining size, when the answer is obvious.

I gave up on SLOW bulking, the gains therefore become very SLOW for me. If you dont eat, you wont grow, a needle in your ass is not a magical solution to getting huge. If anyone here thinks Ronnie Coleman eats a normal persons diet, they are in the wrong "sport."

Posted by: TheRoyalOne

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...I don't have a specific weight I want to be at but I will no it when I get there. Probably between 210 and 230. I haven't been working out steady for very long, and my diet is far from perfect...

It sounds like you are packing for a road trip but don't know where you're going or how you're going to get there. Size is not a determining factor with using gear. Proper planing, diet and a goal most certainly are. You can't build a sandcastle without sand just like you can't build muscle without calories. Proper nutrition is the building block for muscle, gear only helps speed up the process. If you're not getting at least 2g of protein and 1g of carbs per pound of body weight you're not going to grow, with or without gear.
People on this board only want to help. They are speaking from experience. You can go blindly or you can follow an experienced leader, it's up to you. From the outside looking in, I can assure you that if you haven't gained any weight after 4 weeks of dbol and deca, something isn't quite right.
Just my 2 cents

Posted by: BULL

ok i get it....i need to eat way more, so what should my daily eating agenda consist of then?

Posted by: thickone

Ecto-morph,Endo-morph,Meso-morph,that's the first question.Find which one you are, or combo.Then the answer will be easier for the truly knowledgable.

Posted by: Evil ANT

If you're not gaining any weight, just up your calories. Tada!

Since starting my cycle I've gained at least 25 pounds simply by shoveling more food into my face.

That reminds me... time to go eat!

Posted by: dg806

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Originally posted by Michael D
What does bodyweight have to do with the use of steroids?

I assume that you feel like steroids are reserved for people who want to be 300lb bbs. Well, if a 220 lb man wants to add some muscle why can't a little guy? I see a lot of people think you should work out naturally until you reach your potential, and then step it up with gear. I honestly believe one can never reach his potential. I don't care how hard he tries. There is always something he could have done better.

Plus, some people don't want to be huge. I don't have a specific weight I want to be at but I will no it when I get there. Probably between 210 and 230. I haven't been working out steady for very long, and my diet is far from perfect but I am planning a small first cycle because I want to. I am not lazy but yes a bit impatient. I am going to work as hard as I do now but I will be helped along with the use of technology.

I can understand why you would be kind of stern with him regarding general knowledge of the stuff but why does size always have to be a determining factor?

I think it is hard to reach your potential also. If you don't want to be huge, I see no use in taking steriods are far as BB. Like Mudge said, some take for leanness and speed. I just feel he is a long way from any potential and hasn't given his diet any chance at all. Like you said, some are just impatient.

Posted by: dg806

Another thing, how old are you?

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally posted by BULL
ok i get it....i need to eat way more, so what should my daily eating agenda consist of then?

I would start by adding 1000 calories on top of your maintenance.

Diet is #1.

Posted by: Power Rabbit

I literally have to eat to the point of nearly getting sick...its painful to eat as much as I force my self to eat...You should be POUNDING the food down...4500cals a day minimum in my opinion at a 50/40/10 split of p/c/f

Posted by: Mudge

I wont ever give generic guidelines for "XXXX" calories without knowing what their maintenance is. Too many rookies fall into the same trap of using someone elses diet, which they should not be doing.

At 154 pounds I would assume 4500 calories to be overkill, but again I dont know the maintenance here.

You have to know your own body before you jump into this stuff, thats the importance of not starting something like this right away IMO. It has nothing to do with waiting till you are 50 years old, it has to do with are you going to waste your time, or do you know what you are doing.

Start reading in the diet forum.

Good luck

Posted by: ST240

im 5'8" ecto 154 pounds and i have like NO bodyfat... i need 4500 cals AT LEAST to bulk up... such a high metabolism its not even funny

get yourself some weightgainer stuff but make sure it has whey in it too.... thats an awsome source of protein/calories/carbs one shake has:

1000 calories
50 g protein (a lot of it is wasted, i know)
153 carbs

take 3 of those divided throughout the day plus a decent diet and your laughin

Posted by: Mudge

Nutrients dont get wasted, if you eat more than you need do you stay thin? No, you gain weight, ergo you dont waste nutrients en masse.

Posted by: Michael D

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Originally posted by TheRoyalOne
It sounds like you are packing for a road trip but don't know where you're going or how you're going to get there. Size is not a determining factor with using gear. Proper planing, diet and a goal most certainly are. You can't build a sandcastle without sand just like you can't build muscle without calories. Proper nutrition is the building block for muscle, gear only helps speed up the process. If you're not getting at least 2g of protein and 1g of carbs per pound of body weight you're not going to grow, with or without gear.
People on this board only want to help. They are speaking from experience. You can go blindly or you can follow an experienced leader, it's up to you. From the outside looking in, I can assure you that if you haven't gained any weight after 4 weeks of dbol and deca, something isn't quite right.
Just my 2 cents

You are right, I don't know where I am going. I do know that this one cycle of roids I want to do will not put me at my final destination. It will get me closer. I plan on waiting a long while before doing another cycle if I even do.

I personally am very thankful for the knowledgeable people on here and do listen to what advice makes sense to me. I use their opinions as guidelines almost.

I also agree on the eating part. If he hasn't gained any weight, it is because of lack of fuel.

Posted by: ST240

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Originally posted by Mudge
Nutrients dont get wasted, if you eat more than you need do you stay thin? No, you gain weight, ergo you dont waste nutrients en masse.

i thought you can only absorb 40 g of protein in 1 hour or something to that effect

Posted by: Mudge

Perhaps for some people that is truth, but such a statement cannot be made or assumed for anyone really. Does a 4 year old girl have the same protein requirements as Jay Cutler? If this were true, Jay Cutler would be drinking Juicy Juice with his tiny little piddling meals and hardly take in any protein at all.

If we follow even the very modest rule of 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight (rather the entry level of things generally), that would put 6 meals x 40 = 240g, which would just about cover me if I consumed such small protein quanities

Duchaine argued that higher quality proteins can make up for smaller amounts, as well as the importance of having complete proteins in the diet. Since meat proteins and such denature with cooking, then we can assume more is better rather than less. Obviously if the BV of a protein is so low that you can only utilize 60% of it, then you would have to consume more to get what you "need" for + nitrogen retention.

Posted by: ST240

true that man...

whats the deal with incomplete protein (beans, nuts etc?) i know they dont build muscle as well as meat/whey but like whats the deal with them

are they basically useless??

Posted by: Mudge

Protein is protein, but vegans should attempt to intake complete proteins if possible. It used to be thought you had to combine foods and eat them at the same time (beans/rice) but science has later said this is not the case.

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