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Posted by: Prince

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Posted by: gopro

Hmmmm Prince..important for what? This is a more complex question than meets the eye!

Posted by: I Are Baboon

To ME, whey protein is the most important for building muscle (protein in general, not just whey protein).

I also like my creatine and mulit-vitamin. And my coffee, but that's not really a supplement.

Posted by: Prince

important/effective for bodybuilding.

Posted by: ac

for me it has to be multi-vits and antioxidants cause i'm always getting colds.

Posted by: Prince

If you have not voted, VOTE!

Posted by: gopro

Well...I believe that protein is the most important, but not necessarily whey alone. You did not mention glutamine and I rank that right near the top. Creatine is wonderful when used correctly. Some prohormones are of use, but not necessary. ZMA I feel is a waste for all but a few. Multivitamins are a good insurance policy in that most people, including bodybuilders don't eat a wide enough variety of foods to get all their micronutrients and anti-oxidants( which in of itself is another important supplement). Thermogenics also have their place in a cutting phase as do some other herbs.

No supp can replace proper diet, training, and resting procedures!

Posted by: Prince

ah crap, I knew I forgot one!

I'll go add it now!

Posted by: gopro

Thank your lucky stars you have me around Prince!!! LOL...

Posted by: Prince

Originally posted by gopro
Thank your lucky stars you have me around Prince!!! LOL...

Posted by: Pemburu

Since you bumped this back up to the top, I'll vote. I only use Whey, Creatine, and take a multi. For the order of importance I would probably say Whey, Multi and Creatine for my supps.

Posted by: Rick C

Whey protein is a must, creatine is optional

Posted by: gopro

Originally posted by Rick C
Whey protein is a must, creatine is optional

Guys and gals...you must remember that whey is great but has its limitations. It has a very high BV, but is oxidized too quickly to be a stand alone protein with the exception of post workout(where it is the most valuable). In fact, if I had only one choice between whey and a good casein, I'd go with the casein!

Posted by: Pemburu

Originally posted by gopro

Guys and gals...you must remember that whey is great but has its limitations. It has a very high BV, but is oxidized too quickly to be a stand alone protein with the exception of post workout(where it is the most valuable). In fact, if I had only one choice between whey and a good casein, I'd go with the casein!

True, but it's only a supplement. I eat lots of red meat, tuna (daily), don't lose your stomach, chicken, and high protein veggies as often as possible. From the standpoint of someone, an everyday Joe, taking something additional, Isn't whey the easiest, best bang for the buck?? For someone who is going Pro or competes I'm sure this list would be all mixed up and varied throughout the year. I don't think anyone here thinks it (whey) is the miracle pill.

Nothing beats good quality food.

This is not to argue against your expert advice, but some of us aren't even in the same league as you are.

OCICBW
JC

Posted by: gopro

Originally posted by Pemburu

True, but it's only a supplement. I eat lots of red meat, tuna (daily), don't lose your stomach, chicken, and high protein veggies as often as possible. From the standpoint of someone, an everyday Joe, taking something additional, Isn't whey the easiest, best bang for the buck?? For someone who is going Pro or competes I'm sure this list would be all mixed up and varied throughout the year. I don't think anyone here thinks it (whey) is the miracle pill.

Nothing beats good quality food.

This is not to argue against your expert advice, but some of us aren't even in the same league as you are.

OCICBW
JC

As you allude to, yes, food is the most important....

As for the whey thing...this applies to everyone, not just advanced lifters or competitors. If you will be using a protein powder or MRP several times per day, you are better off with a BLEND of proteins, rather than a straight whey! If you use a powder right after your workout, stick with whey alone....but at all other times, a blended protein will be more effective for muscle gain!

Posted by: Tank316

after having this dicussion with gopro about blended protiens i went back to the blened kind i was using.i have noticed a smaller change in recovery time.when the Whey craze hit i swithed to it just like everybody else did.i think each type has there place throught the day though,so i'm sticking to both....

Posted by: Pemburu

I only use straight whey post workout. The rest of the time it's food proteins or if I don't feel I'm getting enough protein from the food I'll have a little whey in a glass of milk with it.

Tank, what blend are you using, if you don't mind me asking?? I haven't researched that area much past the protein factory blends. Most of the premix in the tub types appear to be various forms of whey, with a little egg or so added. ie. Pro Complex.

jc

Posted by: Tank316

i had been an opti fan for years there stuff was pretty good,thats what i went back to,pro complex and their whey,good stuff

Posted by: gmer2695

Whey has to be the most important to me with multi/vit being a close second. I try to get most of my protien from food and use whey for post workout recovery.

Posted by: SteveDeBeave

Godda have my Opitimum Whey post workout.

When cutting I give my ECA stack second runner up! That's a supplement too, right?

Posted by: kuso

For me I would say:-

Glutamine
Blend protien
Whey
BCAA`s
Creatine
Multi
Anti Ox
B complex
EFA`s

Posted by: gopro

Originally posted by kuso
For me I would say:-

Glutamine
Blend protien
Whey
BCAA`s
Creatine
Multi
Anti Ox
B complex
EFA`s

Solid list

Posted by: Hogi Bear

None of the above
The most important supplement that anyone can use is the mos t abundant on the face of the Earth that supplement you wont find advertised in your favorite magazine .
The most important supplement is Water good ole water just turn the tap on thats right the tap dont waste your money on bottled water thats a maajor scam bottled water, There are studies out that bottled watyer is no bettert than tap water, Also there ias a whole lot of deceptive advertising because they usually say spring water when in actuality it was bottled right from the tap.
Water drink up My Dad was right he always told me to drink my water . I drink at leat a gallon a day. Its great for losing weight.
Also if your taking in alot of protein powder you can really fuck up your kidneys and overall health without drinking adequate amounts of H2o
So there you are Prince here is my vote for the most effective bodybuilding supplement
Oh yeah i never went into the health benefits go ahead and do your own research or better yet start drinking water today CHEERS

Posted by: kuso

Originally posted by Clint hogan
None of the above
The most important supplement that anyone can use is the mos t abundant on the face of the Earth that supplement you wont find advertised in your favorite magazine .
The most important supplement is Water good ole water just turn the tap on thats right the tap dont waste your money on bottled water thats a maajor scam bottled water, There are studies out that bottled watyer is no bettert than tap water, Also there ias a whole lot of deceptive advertising because they usually say spring water when in actuality it was bottled right from the tap.
Water drink up My Dad was right he always told me to drink my water . I drink at leat a gallon a day. Its great for losing weight.
Also if your taking in alot of protein powder you can really fuck up your kidneys and overall health without drinking adequate amounts of H2o
So there you are Prince here is my vote for the most effective bodybuilding supplement
Oh yeah i never went into the health benefits go ahead and do your own research or better yet start drinking water today CHEERS

Don`t want to sound like am a$$hole..........but I will.

The question was "Most effective/important supplement"

I don`t think water is a supp, and I think most here realize that they have to drink A LOT of it.........................it`s the same as saying food. Of course food is MUCH better than supps, but many times it is unreasonable, or impossible to get the amount you need..........therefor SUPPS have there place, at the end of the chain.

Posted by: DRLICKALOTUS

i THINK ITS ACCORDING TO WHAT YOUR WANTING, BUT MORE PROTEIN NEVER HURT ANYBODY.

Posted by: rks1969

Every one has there own preference for supplements because we have so many different goals .I think mixed proteins are best pre or post training & before bed.Creatine & glutamine can be added at anytime as well as a good vit/min supplement (I use ANIMAL PAKS). prohormones gave me good results , I tried the Muscletech line.

Posted by: Prince

I think the results of this poll are pretty strong....Whey Protein and Creatine are the top 2 supplements.

And I would have to agree.

Posted by: gopro

Glutamine, in my opinion, should top the whole list!

Posted by: Stickboy

I haven't taken any supps, but am considering it. Quick question, do any of them interfere with prescription medicines? That's the main thing that has prevented me from talking them. Not sure how it's gonna react with my allergy medicine.

(I'll ask my doc to be sure, just wondering if anyone knew of any that "might")

Posted by: gopro

Originally posted by Stickboy
I haven't taken any supps, but am considering it. Quick question, do any of them interfere with prescription medicines? That's the main thing that has prevented me from talking them. Not sure how it's gonna react with my allergy medicine.

(I'll ask my doc to be sure, just wondering if anyone knew of any that "might")

Certain one's can...like thermogenic supplements, stimulants, and certain herbs. Others like vitamins, proteins, creatine, glutamine, ZMA, and most other's are fine. Always check with your doc first and/or read labels for contraindictions.

Posted by: Prince

Originally posted by gopro
Glutamine, in my opinion, should top the whole list!

Above whey & creatine?

Posted by: gopro

Originally posted by Prince

Above whey & creatine?

YUP!

Posted by: Rob_NC

Hey GP, don't you get enough Glutamine with your protein, or does it matter what type you're getting?

Posted by: gopro

Originally posted by Rob_NC
Hey GP, don't you get enough Glutamine with your protein, or does it matter what type you're getting?

No you don't. You need a 5 gram dose in one shot, and 15-30 grams per day for the best effect. The peptide form is best. This is the only supplement that I take year around, aside from vitamins.

Posted by: Prince

Originally posted by gopro
No you don't. You need a 5 gram dose in one shot, and 15-30 grams per day for the best effect.

Where did you come up with these amounts? Experience, or research?

If from experience, how did you measure to know you need 15-30 grams for it to be effective? Also, why do you need to take 5 grams in one dose?

I read in an research article that taking 10 grams per day in conjunction with a high protein diet was sufficient.

Just curious. I started taking GLutamine again, but I do not take that much.

Posted by: gopro

I have to say that my thoughts on glutamine have come from research in part, but mostly from personal experience and experimentation on myself and my clients. I also get to speak with several other experts in the field on a regular basis, and they all feel that glutamine works best at the numbers I gave you.

I keep very careful track of everything I do as it relates to bodybuilding. I will experiment with one supplement at a time and diligently record changes in my body. With glutamine, I saw and felt dramatic changes in my body as well as in my health, but only after I hit about 25 grams per day. Now, I weigh about 250 lbs, so a lighter person can probably use less with the same results. I could probably write a whole article on my experiences with glutamine, but I'm sure you get my point.

Posted by: jimbos

Protein
Creatine and
L-Glutamine...in that order

Posted by: Prince

Originally posted by gopro
I could probably write a whole article on my experiences with glutamine, but I'm sure you get my point.

Okay!

Posted by: Tank316

i noticed a big difference when i went from 10 grams to 35/40 grams a day. i guess i would rather spend more money on glut than creat. just my opinion

Posted by: gopro

Originally posted by Tank316
i noticed a big difference when i went from 10 grams to 35/40 grams a day. i guess i would rather spend more money on glut than creat. just my opinion

You da man Tank

Posted by: Tank316

Originally posted by gopro

You da man Tank

i'm trying my best G.P. thanks.its a struggle though...

Posted by: Bigtex111

Studies indicate creatine is more important in terms of cell volumizing and 1RM Lifts.

Posted by: gopro

Originally posted by Bigtex111
Studies indicate creatine is more important in terms of cell volumizing and 1RM Lifts.

Actually, creatine is more effective at increasing lifts in the 4-8 range, than in the 1RM range.

Posted by: jim

Whey, Protein, Glutamine

Posted by: Macnsmack

I must agree with the people who have responded with protein. If you don't have the essential building blocks of the body you will not recover and grow from your training.

Posted by: gopro

I don't really consider protein as a supplement. It is a macronutrient...the idea is to use the right amounts, the right types, and , at the right times.

Posted by: Optimus

Food and sleep. None of those things would do shit if you didn't eat n' sleep.

Posted by: Mule

I use cell-tech, 1-Ad (gopro recomended), flaxseed oil, multi-vitamin, and glutamine...... thats what I find to work the best. Im thinking about trying this animal stack, but i dont know got to read more on it.

Posted by: gopro

Originally posted by Optimus
Food and sleep. None of those things would do shit if you didn't eat n' sleep.

I think most people here know you must first eat and sleep before bothering with supplements.

Posted by: kuso

I`m sure I could name one that probably doesn`t!!

I won`t though!

Posted by: Prince

Originally posted by Optimus
Food and sleep. None of those things would do shit if you didn't eat n' sleep.

Yup, and you must also lift weights!

Posted by: Tank316

Originally posted by Prince

Yup, and you must also lift weights!

o'great, now ya tell me.

Posted by: Optimus

Uh... and whey!

Posted by: STONEDAV

Cell-tec is crap. I tried it and could hardly drink it, it tastes so bad. Epherdrine is pretty darn good. I've taken it on days when I was almost asleep on the way to the gym only to end up having fantastic w'outs. The best I've tried is the one by AST - dymeterdryne extreme

Posted by: big_lou

protein and creatine. That will do it for me!

Posted by: mesmall

if I could only pic one it would be creatine.

Posted by: jason

been going to gym for a while but have never really done any serious weight training. I want to bulk-up yet stay defined and am looking for the best supplements to do this.
Any Tips or suggestions??

Posted by: gopro

Originally posted by jason
been going to gym for a while but have never really done any serious weight training. I want to bulk-up yet stay defined and am looking for the best supplements to do this.
Any Tips or suggestions??

Yes...first start getting into serious weight training and serious eating...them worry about supplements

Posted by: Robboe

Posted by: Prince

Diet/Nutrition > Training > Supplements, in that order. Get your diet in order, learn how to train properly, including rest, then worry about supplements.

Posted by: gopro

Originally posted by Prince
Diet/Nutrition > Training > Supplements, in that order. Get your diet in order, learn how to train properly, including rest, then worry about supplements.

Prince always has the right answers! Right after reading mine...just kidding my friend

Posted by: wildlifer_jones

best supplement = the mind

Posted by: gopro

Originally posted by wildlifer_jones
best supplement = the mind

Not a supplement...but know what you're saying

Posted by: arbntmare

hmm mind is an ingredient that is essential.. or it the supplement doesn't work.. oh wait it works for pro players

Posted by: Ron Jeremy

Diet is the most important aspect. Abundance of quality food while gaining/bulking. Creatine,protein,glutamine are the most important supplements. Cutting up supplements would consist of protein, ECA Stack and possibly glutamine. 1-2 gallons of H2O while dieting makes a huge difference. The use of creatine while cutting is up for debate. Helps some while others hold H2O.Don't look past hard work and discipline they are the real keys to success.

Posted by: zombiex

i agree with the water.

water and a good variety of foods.

Posted by: marcg39

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Posted by: KataMaStEr

1. Most important is Protein (can’t get enough of it)
2. Multivitamins
3. Creatine
4. Glutamine

I stick to only those 4, Never tried anything else.

Posted by: biggun

WATER???
YEah...bet you grow a ton with that

Posted by: kuso

Well....as I`ve stated before, water isn`t a supp, but you can`t grow without it

Posted by: gopro

Originally posted by kuso
Well....as I`ve stated before, water isn`t a supp, but you can`t grow without it

Or live for that matter!

Posted by: oe40luvr

as far as "supplements" go (because that is what the question was), i like creatine, protein, HMB, and glutamine

Posted by: vinman

whey protein is the most important supplement.

Posted by: JonZ

I think a good protein powder is indespensible.

Posted by: ksiebert

About Cell-Tech, I think it's a waste of $$$. I've tried it, and the only thing it did was burn my throat a bit when I swallowed it. Other than that, it just cost a lot of $. A good creatine/vanadyl combonation would be cheaper and better!

I think Muscletech is all about promoting a crappy product!

Posted by: negaun

whey protein

Posted by: wheete

#1 Whey protein
#2 Creatine
#3 Glutamine
#4 Multivitamine or Vitamin C alone

Posted by: ragingbull

GoPro,

you said creatine is a good supp. when used correctly. What do you mean by this. Are we talking about mg. per day, beverage consumed with, or how often you take it.

Posted by: gopro

Originally posted by ragingbull
GoPro,

you said creatine is a good supp. when used correctly. What do you mean by this. Are we talking about mg. per day, beverage consumed with, or how often you take it.

All of it...by correctly I mean, after it is loaded in to your system (whether by a "loading phase" or a gradual increase), it should be taken post workout on training days...5 g with whey/simple carb drink, and first thing in the morning on off days.

You must use a quality brand...SKW creatine is the best...and although this can be argued...I have had the BEST results long term by using it for 3 months on and 1 month off. When I go back on I will "reload" at 20-25 grams per day for 5-7 days.

Everytime I do this, I break new plateaus in my training, and sometimes bodyweight. When I have stayed on constantly, my long term results were not as good.

Posted by: razorblade

Yeah, I agree that the poll should have said " most important SUPPLEMENTS" as I use almost all of them. Since turning drug free I have tried to focus on recovery and accelerating protein synthesis, so : glutamine, creatine, hi-quality food, multi's, zinc and folic acid(for improved testicular function, and they grew!) bcaa's,l-arginine, I guess that's it . Oh yeah, a glucose amino acid mixture immediately before and after workouts.

Posted by: stam

whey is the best/more important.

Posted by: twarrior

I've been using Cell-Tech/Nitro-Tech for 3 1/2 months. In the first 4 weeks I lost 14 pounds of fat and 2 inches off my weist. In the next 1 1/2 months, I put back on 16 pounds of muscle (without the 2 inches), however in the last month, I've only been able to add another 1.5 pounds. I'm not sure if that's because I cycled off the creatine for a month or not. I'm also trying to find a cheaper protein that also has decent BCAA'sa and glutamine so I don't have to but that separate.

Twarrior

Posted by: Var

Gotta be protein. Without enough of it, the other supplements aren't going to do you much good for muscle growth.

Posted by: ians

Gotta be Protein ! Dont Argue !!!!

Posted by: gopro

Will this thread ever die ?????????????????/

Posted by: kuso

It will if you close it

Posted by: gopro

Originally posted by kuso
It will if you close it

Hehe...true...soon!

Posted by: GYM GURU

Glutamine , protein & a mult vit with oxi ants are the only supplements I think all people need. Question, do any of those HGH precursors work. For instance, secretagogue. There is a HGH precursor spray advertised on the internet that they are giving away for free as long as you pay for the shipping & handling. I have friends that say those under the tongue sprays work. I cannot see them working because I was told HGH can only be ...!

Posted by: conner1979

What about designer Protien? or Mega Mass? Is it better than Whey protien?

Posted by: gopro

Originally posted by GYM GURU
Glutamine , protein & a mult vit with oxi ants are the only supplements I think all people need. Question, do any of those HGH precursors work. For instance, secretagogue. There is a HGH precursor spray advertised on the internet that they are giving away for free as long as you pay for the shipping & handling. I have friends that say those under the tongue sprays work. I cannot see them working because I was told HGH can only be ...!

The homeopathic HGH sprays are worthless...the secretagoues, like Symbiotropin and Secretagogue One do work pretty well if used as directed....on an EMPTY stomach before bed and/or before a workout.

I have used both of these products with nice results.

Posted by: TJohn

Here's my top 5

whey
glutamine
creatine
chromium
vit C

TJohn

Posted by: cult_status

I have been taking ZMA as well as creatine. I feel most benefit from the creatine as it has definitely improved my strength, muscle & endurance. I have always sufferred with cramping (even before taking up BB) but it is my opinion that the ZMA has helped me with this, along with correct "warming down".

Posted by: mad_mike

As far as adding mass to your frame, I find the best supplement to be whey protein or protein in any other form

Posted by: Solid_Steel

I think a good quality source of protein whether it comes from powders , liver tabs , or Amino Acid tabs is the most important supplement.

Posted by: KOnakinsky

I would really have to say that a vitamin is your best supplement, then protein, and then your glutamine. Your vitamin is an insurance policy that you may not get from your food alone.

Posted by: buff_tat2d_chic

My vote is for creatine...but I am just a babe in this sport so don't mind me. I am trying to sort through it all and make an educated decision.

DAMN!!! Getting educated is hard work!

Posted by: gopro

Originally posted by newly_buff
My vote is for creatine...but I am just a babe in this sport so don't mind me. I am trying to sort through it all and make an educated decision.

DAMN!!! Getting educated is hard work!

Yes it can be...but it will be well worth it!!!!!!!!

Posted by: GYM GURU

I'd rather be educated as opposed to being broke. Being uneducated about this sport will keep your pockets empty with nothing but dust in them. Learn as much as you can Newly_buff.

Posted by: EarWax

I put down protein, but I wish they could package sleep into tablet form. Sleep is my most important suppliment.

Posted by: Cenox

Gopro: How is creatine used properly? So many oppinions on that...very confusing indeed

Posted by: david

Pro Hormones and other stuff is more important. I seemed to get all the minerals and nutrients from food for some reason or another. I guess I'm lucky (somewhat)

Posted by: KataMaStEr

Originally posted by davidjasondean
Pro Hormones and other stuff is more important. I seemed to get all the minerals and nutrients from food for some reason or another. I guess I'm lucky (somewhat)

I guess you one of the lucky ones indeed cuz prohomones is a waste of money for a lot of people.

Posted by: david

Actually the 1-test has been effective for quite a few that I know but for the dollars spent, there are BETTER things around....... like Steroids! LOL!!!!

Posted by: gopro

Originally posted by Cenox
Gopro: How is creatine used properly? So many oppinions on that...very confusing indeed

Very simple....
1) buy a good brand
2) load on 25 grams per day for one week (5 gr, 5 x per day on empty tummy)
3) take maintenance dose of 5 gr per day after the first week....right after training or first thing in the morning on off days
4) use for 3 months, then take one month off and repeat

*Note: loading is NOT necessary, but will saturate your muscles more quickly allowing for the effects to begin more quickly...AND...some people will claim that creatine does not need to be cycled...I believe it should be!

Posted by: Cenox

Thx a lot Gopro!

Posted by: gopro

Originally posted by Cenox
Thx a lot Gopro!

My pleasure!

Posted by: ShaqFu

OK, this might be a little off topic, but I had another supps question.

What brands do you guys prefer? Personally I buy a lot of EAS and Prolab..

And secondly, does anyone know a good place to shop online for them? I'm in Canada, and www.sndcanada.com rocks!

Posted by: kuso

Heads up Corri.....the newbies are really the only ones in this thread now...so if you want some various opinions I`d start a new thread

Posted by: OceanDude

I agree that l-glutamine is way up there on the list. But another person mentioned a supplement that I think needs to be added also – EFA’s! Man this is one of the biggest and best things you can do for yourself if trying to gain mass or lose weight (and very few people honestly get enough of this in their normal diets).

I also absolutely concur that multi-species proteins are the way to go for general protein utilization (and fast protein post workout).

Here is my rank priority of supplements based on a fat loss and muscle gain/preservation objective:
1) Essential Fats (Omega3/6/9: Alpha Linolenic Acid, Gamma Linolenic Acid, Eicosapentaenoic Acid, Docosahexaenoic Acid , Linoleic Acid, Oleic Acid)
2) L-Glutamine
3) Multi-Species Protein
4) Multi Vitamin (with good anti-oxifent ratio of vit. A, C, E )
5 Water
6) Creatine
7) CLA (sometimes already in a EFA supplement)
8) Optional metabolic boosters and anti oxidant/testos support : Green Tea, Triple Garlic Tabs (Garlic/Cayenne/Hawthorn Berry Capsules)

Posted by: Pepper

OD,

Why is Glutamine so high on the list? I like your list, but I would rearrange a few things. Glad you added EFA and CLA.

Posted by: gopro

Glutamine belongs in the top 3. OD has it correct in terms of glutamine placement in his list!

Posted by: Par Deus

1. Multi-vitamin
2. Fish oil
3. LeptiGen
4. Workout formula (particularly high on EAA's/BCAA's

3b. Glutamine and other osmolytes
3c. Anti-oxidants

Posted by: gopro

Originally posted by Par Deus
1. Multi-vitamin
2. Fish oil
3. LeptiGen
4. Workout formula (particularly high on EAA's/BCAA's

3b. Glutamine and other osmolytes
3c. Anti-oxidants

Leptigen? What is this Leptigen crap?

Posted by: Par Deus

Hehe.

Just realized I forgot creatine -- partitally belongs in the osmoltye category, but the ATP thing is quite nice, as well, so it's 3b.1

Posted by: gopro

Originally posted by Par Deus
Hehe.

Just realized I forgot creatine -- partitally belongs in the osmoltye category, but the ATP thing is quite nice, as well, so it's 3b.1

Yeah, I was originally suprised to see creatine excluded from your list. I think that Leptihoohoo stuff is not only making you lose bodyfat, but clogging your gray matter...LOL...

Posted by: BigBallaGA

why take extra glut when most wheys already have plenty of glut in them ??????????????

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Ok, I will have to post an assumption here to make my list. My assumption is that the person is eating a good diet. Having said that, I believe a multi is fairly useless. So here is my list:

Protein-Every type has it's place
Creatine-IMO, the greatest supplement to come out of the 80s/90s even though it has been here longer.
Glutamine-The only problem I have w/ glutamine is that I seem to get sick shortly after stopping it.
ECA stack-This thing got me thru many a workout while on a severe cut.
Prohormones-Got good results off the first generation ones of these, but I have only tried VPXs 1-Test as a newer generation one. May dive back in shortly.

Posted by: gopro

Originally posted by BigBallaGA
why take extra glut when most wheys already have plenty of glut in them ??????????????

Because in order to see TRUE ergogenic benefits from glutamine, you need between 15 and 40 g per day, depending on your size, diet, training, etc.

The gut is a glutamine hog and will use up most of your dietary intake, therefore the need to supplement extra.

Posted by: Tha Don

well can't comment too much because i've only tried half of em (considering glutamine soon, but its kinda pricey on top of all the other stuff)

but CREATINE is goddamm awesome!

definatly top of my list, when I take creatine it really has an effect
(by far the most effective supplement i've tried)

however in terms of importance whey is pretty vital

Posted by: TheGreatSatan

Hands down, it's protein.

Posted by: Arthur2004

i voted for whey protein..i tried creatine but stopped after the 3rd day... i was gettnig sharp kidney pains and did not want to risk anything.g...and i heard u dont realyl get much strenght from it...just bulky muscle that is gone the second u stop worlking out ...so now i have 400g of creatine left...feels like waste of money but i dont know...i felt like i was doing it right...4 times a day for the loading pahse..on empty stomach.. when i woke up..b4 workout..post workout..and b4 sleep

Posted by: gr81

Originally posted by Arthur2004
...i felt like i was doing it right...4 times a day for the loading pahse..on empty stomach.. when i woke up..b4 workout..post workout..and b4 sleep

I agree with you about the whey being the best, but why were you always on an ampty stomach?? you ain't gonna gain muscle like that no matter how many supps you take bro

Posted by: Arthur2004

Originally posted by gr81
I agree with you about the whey being the best, but why were you always on an ampty stomach?? you ain't gonna gain muscle like that no matter how many supps you take bro

no no... i wasn't always on an empty stomach....i just took creatine on a n empty stomach cause thats wat i was told to do.....

Posted by: BabsieGirl

I'd say Glute. Then Creatine. then Protein.

You can get protein from natural sources.....food.
Glute needs replaced...and I don't think it's replaced by food???
Creatine......helps build muscle by allowing you to lift more.

Posted by: HoldDaMayo

creatine has made the biggest difference for me, especially when eating well and taking an ECA about 30-45 mins before i hit the gym... very solid pump...

Posted by: Testosterone

Originally posted by gopro
As you allude to, yes, food is the most important....

As for the whey thing...this applies to everyone, not just advanced lifters or competitors. If you will be using a protein powder or MRP several times per day, you are better off with a BLEND of proteins, rather than a straight whey! If you use a powder right after your workout, stick with whey alone....but at all other times, a blended protein will be more effective for muscle gain!

How about Milk Protein Isolate+Multi Vitamin.
No need to go for Specialized Whey Isolates or Peptides.....

Posted by: MuscleNYC

Protein provides amino acids, which are the building blocks of muscle . So without protein intake you cannot build muscle....so obviously PROTEIN is the most improtant, effective suppleent.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Except sufficient quantities of protein can be consumed without any supplements at all.

Posted by: BabsieGirl

Thanks TP. That's exactly what I stated above.

Posted by: senimoni

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Posted by: mantosof

Do you guys realise HOW confusing you sound to a newbie who up to yesterday only knew about Flintstones Chewables??

Why cant we all agree on ..what should a newbie take to build muscle, lose fat with overall health benefits.

THe newbie link on supplements led me to a loooong article that i realised id have to go to school and get a PHD in physics to undetstand :P

Posted by: Testosterone

Flashy Supplements come and go forever!
Protein is king. Without protein you can't buil muscle!
Protein is and always will be the first product to put your money on!

Posted by: BabsieGirl

Originally posted by mantosof
Do you guys realise HOW confusing you sound to a newbie who up to yesterday only knew about Flintstones Chewables??

How is this thread confusing? Flintstone Chewables, how old are you? I find this hard to believe, don't you watch Tv? Vitamins are commercialized daily.

Why cant we all agree on ..what should a newbie take to build muscle, lose fat with overall health benefits.

This thread is discussing which supplements are important in general. Do you research on your own? Just curious.

THe newbie link on supplements led me to a loooong article that i realised id have to go to school and get a PHD in physics to undetstand :P

I can see where you'd need a breakdown but this is where a little research will do you some good.

Posted by: Yomato

Multi...

Posted by: hhds

multi

Posted by: HoldDaMayo

Animal products insignia as an avatar is the key to building mass... I've seen like 5 people on these forums... and they all claim to be genetically gifted... who would have thought?

Posted by: BabyArnold

Vitamins and minerals. You can always get protein from food. Your body has to have extra vitamins and minerals because our foods don't have enough in them anymore. For instance, you would have to eat 33 pounds of Spinach just to get your daily serving of vitamin E. And that is just vitamin E! You would have to eat half of a bushel of carrots just to get a daily amount of vitamin A. That's crazy! I can eat enough protein in a day to get what I need out of it, but vitamins, no way.

Posted by: Testosterone

Baby Arnold. you're damn right.
Protein is first among equals.
But Multis will work only if you got adequate quantities of Protein in your body!
So here we are again, For BB, Protein is #1 Choice.

Posted by: plouffe

Originally posted by hhds
multi

Hey man, How about you get your own AVATAR!!!

Posted by: Testosterone

Hey Man. No need for an Avatar!
I'm their Largest distributor in INDIA. I am an Animal!

Originally posted by plouffe
Hey man, How about you get your own AVATAR!!!

Posted by: BabyArnold

This is the deal. If I was a fat or skinny pathetic loser and all I did was sit around and never worried about bodybuilding, then multi-vitamin and minerals would be the best thing for me. But the majority of us here I would assume are bodybuilders or people trying to become bodybuilders. Therefore, there is no such thing as one sole important supplement. We need them all! Especially if you are trying to do it the natural way. You have to have glutamine, creatine, protein,vitamins, minerals, and some form of natural or synthetic testosterone enhancer to compete or to even get on stage. Unless you are just the most genetically gifted being on the planet.

Posted by: prolangtum

How would using a testosterone enhancer be considered natural?

Posted by: SJ69

Soon there will not be any effective body building supplements.
People who sell bb supps will be reduced to snake oil salesmen.
In the "Land of the Free" everything effective is banned, go figure.

Instead of banning the shit that doesn't work, the friggin FDA wants to ban everything that DOES work and let the consumer get ripped off by buying a bunch of junk that doesn't work. Aren't that a little Bass Aakward here?

Posted by: Testosterone

C'mon...Protien is always gonna be there.....

Posted by: htotcb

You mention blended proteins as opposed to a whey protein. What are you looking for in a good blended protein, and where can one get a good casein protein?

Posted by: Testosterone

A good blended protein must contain all the important fractions of protein and wide spectrum Amino Acid Profile:
Whey Peptides, Miceller Casein, Egg Albumen, Milk Protein Isolate constitute a perfect blend of fast, intermediate and slow releasing proteins.
My favorite blend is ProPeptide (Vanilla) and Pro MR (Vanilla) which I think is first among equals in terms of quality, price & results. Try it and you wont regret your decision!
My favorite milk protein isolate is GROW MRP.

Posted by: myCATpowerlifts

hey, instead of buying all thos milk protein isolate supps...
why not just drink half a gallon of milk a day like me :P

Posted by: Testosterone

Bingo!

Originally posted by myCATpowerlifts
hey, instead of buying all thos milk protein isolate supps...
why not just drink half a gallon of milk a day like me :P

Posted by: myCATpowerlifts

seriously tho, wouldnt that do the same thing?

Posted by: Testosterone

it will.
but you have to tolerate lactose!

Posted by: myCATpowerlifts

oh well...i dont mind having to take a narly crap, as long as i get my protein

Posted by: myCATpowerlifts

actually i think one thing is the delivery system, its made to absorb better

Posted by: firestorm

The most effective or most important is the one you have a difficiency in. If you eat perfect and I mean perfect,,, you don't need Protein powder or extra vitamins.
Creatine, prohormones aren't that important if you workout to just stay healthy and in shape.
as for ZMA I don't feel it's necessary in the least since I've never used it, don't know what it does and I'm coming along very nicely without it.
So this question was a bit vague if you ask me.

If I were to have to pick one from a personal standpoint taking into consideration what I said above,, I think I'd have to say, Protein and prohormones and creatine are the most important since I've seen my best gains in years using all three. Picking only one is only a single stone in a foundation made of many stones. It's a combination of several stones that makes my foundation strong and healthy.

Posted by: Briguy

I think the most important would be a couple of beers with a few packs of assorted Little Debbie snack cakes
what do ya think?
Sorry, had to do it.......LOL

Posted by: MikeyTony12

I think Whey is great, but Gluatimine is the king

Posted by: camarosuper6

Is anyone besides me sick and tired of seeing this damn thread on the first page.

Posted by: David Tolson

I chose creatine. My reasoning:

-Adequate high quality protein can be achieved through diet, although not as easily as if you supplement with protein; OTOH it would be much more difficult to get the same amounts of creatine that you supplement with through the diet
-Multivitamins are important, but double-blind studies have found that they don't improve performance. Serious vitamin/mineral deficiencies are relatively rare. I still think there's no reason not to take a good multi though.
-Prohormones are effective but many do not want to take them.
-ZMA and glutamine are crap in my opinion

Posted by: Dipsh!t

Whey protein and creatine i say

Posted by: Monolith

Originally Posted by camarosuper6

Is anyone besides me sick and tired of seeing this damn thread on the first page.

No... im quite interested in seeing how many people think creatine is the most important supplement. We need at least 10 more pages of this.

Posted by: gopro

Originally Posted by Monolith

No... im quite interested in seeing how many people think creatine is the most important supplement. We need at least 10 more pages of this.

I say 20!

Posted by: topolo

I like petroleum jelly myself

Posted by: NEW_IN_THE_GAME

i think protein is a must for anyone no matter what- body builders- dieting - kids or elderly - u need protein to survive - this is an easy way to boost it. plus i like creatine and arginine.

Posted by: Monolith

Originally Posted by topolo

I like petroleum jelly myself

Posted by: gopro

Originally Posted by topolo

I like petroleum jelly myself

Posted by: mino lee

Originally Posted by Monolith

No... im quite interested in seeing how many people think creatine is the most important supplement. We need at least 10 more pages of this.

i've tried creatine with dextrose b4. extremely extremely constipating.

then i tried celltech which basically was creatine + alphalipoic acid + taurine. not constipating at all, and held water weight easy which is not necessarily a bad thing, cuz then at least i am never de-hydrated. great creatine product.

only problem is, can't clearly see how good creatine really is on it's own.

Posted by: Pirate!

Originally Posted by Monolith

No... im quite interested in seeing how many people think creatine is the most important supplement. We need at least 10 more pages of this.

Well put. This thread should be closed.

Posted by: min0 lee

Whey, creatine, and horny goat

Posted by: gococksDJS

Why the hell does this thread keep getting pushed to the top?

Posted by: DOMS

Because it's a poll. Whenever someone votes, it gets bumped.

Posted by: Curlingcadys

Originally Posted by mantosof

Do you guys realise HOW confusing you sound to a newbie who up to yesterday only knew about Flintstones Chewables??

after my first couple posts and learning I found this to be very helpfull:

CLICK HERE!!

Posted by: Flakko

IMO, FOOD is the best supplement!!!

LOL, actually I think a good whey protein is the best choice. Creatine should be the second one or the combo Whey + Creatine would be the best supplement.

Also, both are cheap (Creatine Mono) and have (By what I know) no side effects.

Flakko

Posted by: thatguy

Five more days til the PH/PS ban...

It makes me sad. I have about a year's worth stocked up, but nothing beyond that. Maybe I'll get lucky and they'll come out with a "loophole" between now and then.

I honestly never thought I'd take them, but I gained so much mass and strength so quickly while on 1-AD, I'm really gonna miss them.

Posted by: j rizz

i take opti whey protien, multi vit, flax oil capsules (for EFA's), and i have some cell-tech ,but im still affraid to take it. i want need a little more assurance before i crack it open.

Posted by: milwood

protein is the most important for bodybuilding. If diet is in check, most vitamins are covered, although a multi is a good idea for anyone-especially one who exercises regularly. The rest are options/additions/enhancers-valuable in their own right, but not absolutely essential. My favorite, of the list, however, is prohormones. Damn ban...

Posted by: Vise

why hasn't this thread ended?

Posted by: gococksDJS

because people keep voting.

Posted by: Cold Iron

and posting

Posted by: KentDog

Although protein can be obtained from foods, the actual supplements just make it easier and cheaper. Not only this, but you don't need to worry about additional unwanted carbs, fats, etc. being consumed. Plus the time spent in making enough food (and eating it) compared to the time it takes to stir and drink a shake... you do the math.

This is why I also agree that Whey Protein is the most important supplement. I also believe it to be the safest. Plus pills are annoying.

Posted by: kkschaef

I'm going to say for me glutamine If I eat right I can get my protein and vitamins through food sources. i need my glutamine for recovery and preserving my muscles.

Posted by: god hand

Youll probably have a better chance to gain muscle with prohormones than protein shakes.

Posted by: TJ Cline

Multiple Vitamin/Mineral is the top of the list I.M.O. without vitamins and minerals good luck doing anything well in this life. They are the foundation of the house.....you can get fancy later if you like.

Posted by: FishOrCutBait

I believe that everyone who is serious about weightlifting (not bodybuilding, it's a whole different ballgame) should take a multi and whey protein.

As far as bodybulding goes, creatine, your favorite form. I like ethyl ester, simply because of the price. From there... Maybe BCAA's, on a cut. On a bulk... Something else.

Posted by: Nachez

if you want to go all natural
Id say
ur best bet for protein is egg whites!!!
Fish,
fried grass hopers or fried mantis, may gross many of u out but there very high in protein,
taste very good also if u eat lobster or crab or shrimp u should have no problems with them there in the same family.

Maca
the wonder food of south america!! all the amino acids all kind of vitamins,

Sarsparilla
a good food in general

Tribulus
a good herbal supplement.

Soy Protein
good high in protein tastes good

Posted by: FishOrCutBait

soy protein is estrogenic... DONT FRY PRAYING MANTI YOU SICK PUNK!!! They make good pets...

Posted by: CancerNV

What makes them good pets?

Posted by: min0 lee

They pray.

Posted by: BulkMeUp

Originally Posted by min0 lee

They pray.

I like to prey. Will you be my pet?

Posted by: min0 lee

Originally Posted by BulkMeUp

I like to prey. Will you be my pet?

Posted by: BulkMeUp

Originally Posted by min0 lee

Posted by: trip70

I was for vitamins,only thinking that with out the proper supply in your body,can you benefit in full from all the others?

Posted by: Guru

Food

Posted by: pris

I like to prey. Will you be my pet?

You cant say that to an acttractive woman

Any ways min would look better standing next to me

Posted by: gopro

Originally Posted by Guru

Food

That is not a supplement.

Posted by: Prince

Originally Posted by gopro

That is not a supplement.