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Posted by: Brak86

Someone please explain to me why doing 1 muscle a week (what msot people do, and what i will try to do next week) is sufficient. Someone convince me that each muscle can get stronger by just being lifted or worked once a week....i kno some other muscles can be hit indirectly by an exercise targeted for one muscle, but that doesnt seem good enough for me. AHH


Posted by: Vieope

Because it already worked over the years.


Posted by: Brak86

/....yea but why!!!? ahaha


Posted by: Vieope

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Originally posted by Brak86
/....yea but why!!!? ahaha
Do you really care ?


Posted by: IronSlingah

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Originally posted by Brak86
/....yea but why!!!? ahaha
It works so why do you care?


Posted by: Prince

there are other training methods that advocate higher training frequency, try them.


Posted by: QuestionGuy

what the fuck are u asking anyway ?????????? if you are saying that lifting once muscle group per week is just sick and wrong i would say your dumb


Posted by: ALBOB

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Originally posted by Brak86 Someone convince me that each muscle can get stronger by just being lifted or worked once a week
I'm not even going to TRY to convince you of that because, for you, it may not be true. Everybody has different genetics and different ideas about how to train so no one program can be right for everybody. What works for a lot of people is to work each muscle group VERY intensly and let it completely recover before working it VERY intensly again, usually about a week later. For some people "VERY intense" workouts really aren't very intense so they recover and can work each muscle group more often than once per week. Also, there's those individuals who, through superior genetic, chemical assistance, or a combination of both, have outstanding recouperative abilities allowing them to work each muscle group more often. Again, it all boils down to finding what's right for you. How do you do that? Work a muscle group as hard as you possibly can. Rest for a given amount of time. Work that muscle group again. Did you get stronger? If yes, it's working. If no, you need to change something, possible more rest between workouts. So, are you convinced?


Posted by: Brak86

yea albob...but....i did my chest and shoulders 2x a week each....my chest was doin great! getting a lot stronger...but my shoulders were lagging...so thats why im gonna try the 1 muscle a week thingy...i guess u cant explain it...whoops...flop thread...shoot me now


Posted by: ALBOB

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Originally posted by Brak86
yea albob...but....i did my chest and shoulders 2x a week each....my chest was doin great! getting a lot stronger...but my shoulders were lagging...so thats why im gonna try the 1 muscle a week thingy...
Woah, slow down a bit. You say your chest was making great progress by being worked 2X per week, why would you change that? If your shoulders aren't responding to being worked 2x per week you need to change THAT. Now be careful, your shoulders get worked very intensly when you work your chest, that's probably why they're not responding, they're being overworked. Back off on your shoulder work and see what happens.


Posted by: Vieope

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Originally posted by ALBOB
Woah, slow down a bit. You say your chest was making great progress by being worked 2X per week, why would you change that? If your shoulders aren't responding to being worked 2x per week you need to change THAT. Now be careful, your shoulders get worked very intensly when you work your chest, that's probably why they're not responding, they're being overworked. Back off on your shoulder work and see what happens.
I love logic.


Posted by: BabsieGirl

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Originally posted by ALBOB
Woah, slow down a bit. You say your chest was making great progress by being worked 2X per week, why would you change that? If your shoulders aren't responding to being worked 2x per week you need to change THAT. Now be careful, your shoulders get worked very intensly when you work your chest, that's probably why they're not responding, they're being overworked. Back off on your shoulder work and see what happens.


listen to Albob, this individual seems to know what he's talking about.

It's all true. Just listen, learn and experiment

Have a nice weekend
Babs


Posted by: JerseyDevil

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Originally posted by BabsieGirl
listen to Albob, this individual seems to know what he's talking about.
...'cept when it comes to Joe Gibbs.

Brak, many, many people respond well to once a week bodypart training, others do not. I must say, I'm one of those people who do not. I have tried this type of training at least 4 different times over a period of 10 years (because everyone said that's what I should be doing!). And frankly I dwindle in both size and strength. For me a 3 days on/1 off format works fantastic. I DO keep the volume low and the intensity high.

ALBOB is dead on about shoulders. You stress your deltoids strongly when doing chest, so cutting back here is prudent advice.


Posted by: BUSTINOUT

I didn't know we were in the convincing business. If it works...it works. Convincing is not worth the time or effort.


Posted by: Mudge

If it doesn't work for you, then your training volume is probably low and/or your intensity.

I prefer a 5 day routine at the moment.

I agree with BO, use what works, convince yourself. If everyone that does it looks better than you, I might listen.


Posted by: Trap-isaurus

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Originally posted by Brak86
Someone please explain to me why doing 1 muscle a week (what msot people do, and what i will try to do next week) is sufficient. Someone convince me that each muscle can get stronger by just being lifted or worked once a week....i kno some other muscles can be hit indirectly by an exercise targeted for one muscle, but that doesnt seem good enough for me. AHH

Each muscle I work is usually sore until the day before I work it again, this leads me to believe that once a week is good enough for them as I am recovering completely one (Or two) days before I work it again.


Posted by: plouffe

If it isn't working for you then either A.) You are not lifting with enough intensity B.) Do not have a set schedule C.) You do not workout properly. Besides abdominals, and calves no muscle great should be work more than 2 times a week. For large muscle groups, obviously once time. The other smaller muscle groups I would not work them more than two times a week.


Posted by: JerseyDevil

IMO, it's all about intensity and not volume, when building mass and strength. I'd take 6-8 high intensity sets per body part over 20 half ass sets anyday of the week.


Posted by: Power Rabbit

its dependant on how much time each muscle needs to recoup after you work out...id feel id get a injury if i did my quads more than once a week...but i hit my pecs twice a week..and my calves 3 times...heck, i ihit my abs every day


Posted by: Yanick

This thread is just a little bit retarded people. You cannot look at frequency as an independant factor. You have to take into account volume, density, frequency, intensity, percieved effort, and even little things like speed of movement, working to failure etc.

I don't understand why people would be saying work each muscle group once a week...how many sets do you do, how long do you rest, whats your intensity (% of 1RM), how do you feel during your workout. All that comes into play people.


Posted by: Trap-isaurus

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Originally posted by Yanick
This thread is just a little bit retarded people. You cannot look at frequency as an independant factor. You have to take into account volume, density, frequency, intensity, percieved effort, and even little things like speed of movement, working to failure etc.

I don't understand why people would be saying work each muscle group once a week...how many sets do you do, how long do you rest, whats your intensity (% of 1RM), how do you feel during your workout. All that comes into play people.
No such thing as a "retarded" thread buddy, somebody asks a question they certainly deserve an answer no matter how inane you may think the question is.

I doubt very much you would know what you know today if every time you asked a question of someone they pointed out how "retarded" that question was.....

I hate to repeat myself over and over again but I truly believe that little digs/inflated ego's/ and the whole im better and smarter than anyone attitude is tired, this is thrown in IronSlingah, Question guy and yanicks direction.

Really people lets try and share what we know with those that are asking for the information, not attempt to make them feel dumb for asking the question.


Posted by: Big Smoothy

[quote]Originally posted by Trap-isaurus
No such thing as a "retarded" thread buddy, somebody asks a question they certainly deserve an answer no matter how inane you may think the question is.

I doubt very much you would know what you know today if every time you asked a question of someone they pointed out how "retarded" that question was.....

I agree with this....there is no such thing as a stupid question....even people with lots of experience can benefit from refresher information, or a different angle.


Posted by: Vieope

This thread is not stupid, I just think that Brak86 didnīt define exactly what he wanted to know. If it really worked or the scientific reasons behind it.

Quote:
Originally posted by Yanick
This thread is just a little bit retarded people. You cannot look at frequency as an independant factor. You have to take into account volume, density, frequency, intensity, percieved effort, and even little things like speed of movement, working to failure etc.
I donīt understand the difference between account volume, density, intensity, perceived effort. It sounds all the same to me. Can you explain that to me ? Thanks. Donīt forget the fact that Iīm stupid.


Posted by: P-funk

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I doubt very much you would know what you know today if every time you asked a question of someone they pointed out how "retarded" that question was.....
Funny you say that Trap but every time that Yanick asks me a question I have to tell him how stupid the question is before I punch him in the face


(don't be alarmed everyone.....we know eachother personally)


Posted by: Yanick

Quote:
Originally posted by Trap-isaurus
No such thing as a "retarded" thread buddy, somebody asks a question they certainly deserve an answer no matter how inane you may think the question is.

I doubt very much you would know what you know today if every time you asked a question of someone they pointed out how "retarded" that question was.....

I hate to repeat myself over and over again but I truly believe that little digs/inflated ego's/ and the whole im better and smarter than anyone attitude is tired, this is thrown in IronSlingah, Question guy and yanicks direction.

Really people lets try and share what we know with those that are asking for the information, not attempt to make them feel dumb for asking the question.
I just want to clarify something. I didn't mean the question is stupid...i meant the thread is stupid as a whole (as in some of the responses i read). I apologize if i came off as meaning that the question is stupid...because like you i believe there are no stupid questions. I just read stuff like "I wouldn't train quads more than once a week," and thought to myself that that is a very dumb comment as you are not specifying anything about your workout except for frequency. What if i work quads three times a week but i only do about 5 sets/workout?


Posted by: P-funk

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What if i work quads three times a week but i only do about 5 sets/workout?
I would call you a BITCH


Posted by: Dale Mabry

I would say it is poorly phrased, not retarded. Anyway, Yanick hit it on the head, you have to take a million factors into account. I have worked each bodypart 1, 2, 3, and 4 times a week and progressed on each prgram, but I had to change other aspects of training to fit the model best. If I were to work each muscle group 3 times a week, I would not be hitting a 5x5 routine and doing 3 exercises per bodypart.


Posted by: Mudge

Yep yep, agree with all. I prefer to do a reasonable amount of volume, so my workout frequency cannot successfully allow me to hit the entire body 3x a week or something like that for normal lengths of time. I also dont like waiting forever to hit the bodypart again, I have always felt like I would atrophy after a few days. So on the whole I have liked a moderate amount of frequency, from the whole body over 2 days time to my current 5 days, and I have done 6/7 before as well.

So for a variety of reasons I have my 5 day routine how it is and I like it as such. I have bodyparts grouped together for various reasons that all work for me.


Posted by: MissOz

If you cycle your training you'll hit everything and cover all ya bases !!!!!remember weight training is all about progressive overload, etc etc....try everything and see what works for you.xx



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