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Ptc Help!!!!!


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Posted by: SRC

Allright,
I just finished running a 17-day M1-T/4AD cycle and am really getting paranoid about my nips!!! I began taking 6-OXO the day after my cycle ended 3 capsules 3X per day for a total of 9 per day (moning, noon, night). I have been doing this PTC for 5 days now. The 6-OXO got rid of all the usual sides (bloating, acne, etc.), but it did nothing for the slight puffiness in my nips. My pecs are my best feature by far and although I've always has larger sized nips, they've never gotten swollen or puffy like this. They do not hurt to the touch, nor are there any markings in/around them. There was a slight itchiness to them in the last few days of my cycle, but that's gone as well. Now they just seem more flacid and puffy than usual and I need an alternative to OXO ASAP.
I tried to get liquid nolvadex on powernutrition.com before I began my cycle, but they no longer carry it, liquidresearch.com will not sell it either (you get to the payment page and the site says it can no longer ship this product), I even looked at lionresearch.com where they carry somthing called liquid chlomi (i'm assuming Chlomid), but it says they're "out of stock". Does anyone know of any other legit "research sites" which carry liquid or tab nolva as a supp???
BTW - I heard that something called "bromo" is a good emergency PTC, what exactly is "bromo"? Thanks for the advice!


Posted by: JerseyDevil

Power Nutrition definitely carrries it. It goes by the name of liquid tamoxifen. See http://powernutrition.net/product_in...oducts_id=167. The correct website address is www.powernutrition.net .


Posted by: SRC

thank you thank you thank you.
btw - i found a website (legal stuff for research) called agscientific.com which carries something called 3-Deoxy-3-bromo-Ins(1,4,5)P3. 6Na[500 ug] for $65. Is this "Bromo" and do you think I really need it as well? I've heard that Nolvadex doesn't stop progesterone induced gyno???


Posted by: dg806

Have you read the description for this? Why do you think you need this. I don't know what exactly it is for, but I wouldn't use it, unless you have progesterone induced gyno, which I think I can safely say you don't have.


Posted by: SRC

No, I would never injest something I haven't carefully reviewed.
I don't know enough about chemistry to undertsand what this particular "bromo" description means, I was just curious b/c I've heard people say bromo is a good emergency anti-e, so I did an internet search and this is the description it gives:
Description: Exhibits very strong ligand binding affinity to the Ins(1,4,5)P3 receptor of bovine adrenal cortex membranes and acts as a strong agonist in releasing calcium from saponin permeabilized SH-Sy5Y human neuroblastoma cells.
Whatever the hell that means...


Posted by: JerseyDevil

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Originally posted by SRC
btw - i found a website (legal stuff for research) called agscientific.com which carries something called 3-Deoxy-3-bromo-Ins(1,4,5)P3. 6Na[500 ug] for $65. Is this "Bromo" and do you think I really need it as well? I've heard that Nolvadex doesn't stop progesterone induced gyno???
Progesterone induced gyno can be caused by stacking a aromatizing androgen with tren/fina, or reportedly methlydienolone. Stacking 4AD with M1T will not cause progesterone induced side effects, so Nolvadex should be very effective in relieving gyno symptoms.

I don't know much about Bromo.


Posted by: SRC

To follow up, you say it doesn't sound like I have PG induced gyno? I guess that's good news. I'm just very concerned right now even though they (my nips) really don't look that bad, but my chest is the cornerstone of my physique and has always been perfectly porportioned. I don't want to spend the next few years with a set of c-cups if this puffiness doesn't go away. I'll try and post a few pix of the way my pecs look right now when I get home from work tonight.


Posted by: SRC

Nolvadex should do the trick then eh? How fast does powernut ship? They only offered 2-5 day mail even though I was willing to pay for overnite. How much of this should I take per day/dose, and this is a very stupid question, but if this is liquid, do I swallow it, take it sublingually, or cut it w/anything? Thanks again...


Posted by: topolo

by the way its pct not ptc


Posted by: SRC

oh yeah, post cycle therapy right (PCT)? thanks


Posted by: JerseyDevil

To New Jersey only took two days, so hopefully that's the same timeframe to DC. With the PowerNutrition brand, 1 ml = 20 mg. They will supply it with a handy oral syringe that measures 1 ml very accurately. Use 40 mg each day until the symptoms disappear, usually two to three weeks. If you order it now, it should go out today. You definitely don't have PG induced gyno, since M1T isn't know to cause this. In fact, you may not have gyno at all, it may just be the water retention and bloating common to 4AD. Better safe then sorry, and IMO Nolva is better then 6-OXO for PCT anyway. Even though 6-OXO should work fine in 'theory', Nolva is proven.


Posted by: SRC

you guys are awesome, thanks for the advice! today is my 32nd B-day and the last thing I wanted to worry about was the old fear of getting BT's. although the rest of my body needs more work, my pecs are friggin huge and I'd like to keep them that way, not droopy.


Posted by: dg806

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Originally posted by JerseyDevil
In fact, you may not have gyno at all, it may just be the water retention and bloating common to 4AD.
I had this same question yesterday from another guy. Gyno will be hard or lumpy. At little itchy puffy I think is common with heavy use of 4/ad. It will go away after you stop using it.


Posted by: dg806

Quote:
Originally posted by SRC
you guys are awesome, thanks for the advice! today is my 32nd B-day and the last thing I wanted to worry about was the old fear of getting BT's. although the rest of my body needs more work, my pecs are friggin huge and I'd like to keep them that way, not droopy.
Good point to remember for everyone(you are not the first), ALWAYS have all post cycle items on hand before you start a cycle.


Posted by: JerseyDevil

Amen.

You never know when your favorite supplier is out of stock...


Posted by: SRC

Nolva - Got it delivered this morning on the ole' doorstep. Nothing like homemade research, even got that nifty little oral syringe Jersey Devil mentioned. Fruit punch flavored orals, who would have imagined.
I stopped taking my 6-OXO and did my first 40mg this morning which I will continue for the next two weeks. Should I divide this up to 20mg 2X day (once in the morning and once before bed), or all at once?
One more Q; will taking milk thistle in conjunction w/a PCT product reduce that product's potency at all?


Posted by: SRC

BTW - should I keep this stuff refrigerated?



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