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ZMA good to take while bulking?


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Posted by: Maverick80

I hear ZMA is good to take because it increases recovery and naturally increases testosterone levels. I'm trying to gain some weight, so would this stuff be a help when added to a bulking diet? Or is it just a waste of money? Any side effects? I read that in a study it raised testosterone levels 33% in some people. Couldn't this be bad?

Thanks for any info.

Maverick


Posted by: Vieope

I canīt understand how it increases testosterone.
Somebody can explain that to me ? Maybe it is just indirectly.


Posted by: Jezziah

Dude its all smoke and mirrors; under controled conditions, maybe, it increased testerone levels in rats by accident one day...I took it for a couple of months 2 years ago...and I got a few zits. Which may or may not have had anyhting to do with the ZMA. Get some creatine at least that yields tangible results.


Posted by: brodus

I think it's legit because athletes and bodybuilders many times develop deficiencies in magnesium and zinc, and this would be a good supplment. Some people say it helps them sleep, which would also support anabolism.

It's not going to take your test levels above what you can naturally produce. It's just going to maximize your ability to produce test. Use ZMA at night and do a lot of whole body lifts, and you will see an increase in test.

Also, it's cheap, at $10 for a month supply. I take Dymatize Z-Mass, and it also has NAC and Tribulus Testerris in it, for $10 a month. I figure it's worth the cost.

And there were studies done on athletes, not just rats.


Posted by: instant

great for sleep and for the price I keep taking it. dreams you get are incredible.


Posted by: JoeyM

ZMA dreams are the some of the oddest dreams I've ever had. I buy it just for that


Posted by: Vieope

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Originally posted by brodus
I think it's legit because athletes and bodybuilders many times develop deficiencies in magnesium and zinc, and this would be a good supplment. Some people say it helps them sleep, which would also support anabolism.
That is the same thing as saying that because someone doesnīt drink water, when they start drinking again it would increase testoserone levels.

Anyway, I heard for sure that for dreams it is great.


Posted by: brodus

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That is the same thing as saying that because someone doesnīt drink water, when they start drinking again it would increase testoserone levels.
What's you're point?

If you need it and it boosts test, I don't get the problem?

You started a thread about how Creatine DOESN'T work and yet you still use it, and this stuff costs less and does work for a lot of people. Lots of natural BB use ZMA and have only good things to say. Read the science behind it. It's valid.
Your logic is flawed.



You have very odd logic.


Posted by: Vieope

What I said about creatine is that it doesnīt work like THAT, it gives me benefits but not a LOT.
About the ZMA thing and testosterone, if you have deficiency in some micronutrients, it probably will have a bad effect on testosterone levels. It doesnīt exactly means that increases testosterone levels. Do you see my point ?


Posted by: brodus

I guess I see whee you're going, but Zinc and Magnesium aren't macronutrients, they are necessary minerals with an established USRDA.

Working out puts stress on your body, thus increasing you dietary needs.

There is science behind what I am saying:

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The most talked about study is the following. Lorrie Brilla, PhD, a sports performance researcher at Western Washington University, recently reported that ZMA significantly increase free testosterone levels and muscle strength in NCAA football players. These ZMA study results were presented by Dr. Brilla on June 2, 1999, at the 46th Annual Meeting of the American College of Sports Medicine in Seattle, WA, and were published in the official ACSM journal, Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise, Vol. 31, No. 5, May 1999.

Specifically, Brilla reported that "a group of competitive NCAA football players who took ZMA nightly during an eight-week spring training program had 2.5 times greater muscle strength gains than a placebo group. (250% better results!) Pre and post leg strength measurements were made using a Biodex isokinetic dynamometer." The strength of the ZMA group increased by 11.6% compared to only a 4.6% increase in the placebo group.
This is particularly interesting, because competitive football players are much closer to the people on this board than a group of post-menapausal women, or rats, the subjects of studies that many other supplements are based on.

Taking Zinc and Magnesium in a precise dose does in fact exert a positive influence on test in an anabolic environment.

Furthermore, it is likely that most serious athletes are deficient:

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Any bodybuilder looking to gain strength, increase athletic performance, and muscle mass should consider taking ZMA. There have been many studies showing that most athletes are deficient in zinc, magnesium, and vitamin B-6. This is not a good thing for any athlete! The effect of zinc depletion on muscle function was tested on eight male subjects. This study demonstrated that muscle endurance, or total work capacity, declines rapidly with acute zinc depletion and the degree of the decline is correlated with the reduction in plasma zinc concentration. Many other studies show that after participating in regular intense exercise athletes' levels of zinc and magnesium decreases deeply.
And we already know how zinc gluconate impairs the ability for a rhinovirus (common cold) to propogate, thus lessening the duration aand symptoms. Zinc is good stuff. It's even prescribed by doctors for a variety of medical conditions.


Posted by: Kuzinbo

Darn... I could use some sleep too... I could have bought a bottle of Z Mass PM for 10 bucks.... next time I will just to help me sleep. I am all about freaky dreams too... Ever had one with two blondes one brunette, and a Nun with a paddle? Then I would OD on ZMASSSSSSSS,,,,,


Posted by: Vieope

Quote:
Originally posted by brodus
I guess I see whee you're going, but Zinc and Magnesium aren't macronutrients, they are necessary minerals with an established USRDA.
Yes, they are not macronutrients, like I said they are micronutrients.

I think that I was not very clear with that water quote.

What I am trying to say is that your body must be in constant form of equilibrium with all possible elements: vitamins,minerals,protein,fats,water, anyway everything. If you miss something, probably it will have a bad effect in different areas of you body. Letīs say that you take off your diet, carbohydrates, you donīt eat carbs anymore. I pretty sure that before you die , your levels of testosterone will be lower too. That doesnīt mean that Carbohydrates alone are responsible for increased testosterone levels.


My point is that it is not that the compound of ZMA that produces more testosterone, it is the whole system working. The key word here is synergy.


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You are right about the fact that bodybuilder needs are higher than a regular person and now I believe that the RDA is not good enough for us. One thing that we need to watch out though is not to exceed in fat-soluble vitamins & minerals. The effects of that are bad, really bad.

Look what happens if you exceed UL in the elements of the ZMA:

Magnesium:

- There is no evidence of adverse effects from the consumption of naturally occurring magnesium in foods.
- Adverse effects from magnesium containing supplements may include osmotic diarrhea.

Zinc:
- Reduced copper status

Vitamin B6:

- No adverse effects associated with Vitamin B6 from food have been reported. This does not mean that there is no potential for adverse effects resulting from high intakes. Because data on the adverse effects of Vitamin B6 are limited, caution may be warranted.
- Sensory neuropathy has occurred from high intakes of supplemental forms.


Posted by: plouffe

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Originally posted by JoeyM
ZMA dreams are the some of the oddest dreams I've ever had. I buy it just for that

If you want weird dreams...

Plouffe's Dream Stack

1000mg Valerian Root
1000mg St.Johns Wart
1000mg Ginko Biloba
6mg Melatonin


It's awesome.


Posted by: 22"bi's

There is the other stuff people are taking to have weird dreams, ahhh crap, what is it called.....oh yeah....DRUGS....


Posted by: Vieope

Quote:
Originally posted by plouffe
If you want weird dreams...

Plouffe's Dream Stack

1000mg Valerian Root
1000mg St.Johns Wart
1000mg Ginko Biloba
6mg Melatonin


It's awesome.
I definitely gonna do a research about that.


Posted by: Kuzinbo

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22"bi's

DRUGS!!!
Come on now... If I wanted to ask questions about MDMA or ACID, I would be on a different message board.....




Posted by: plouffe

Quote:
Originally posted by Vieope
I definitely gonna do a research about that.

Might be rough on the liver -- Maybe throw in some Milk Thistle.



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