Originally Posted by nikegurl

no no no....i was joking b/c baboon listed beer and boobies as if they were on a checklist to determine that you're hetero. since they aren't on MY list (b/c i'm not a guy) i was playing around b/c i'm not into beer or boobies. get it? just playin'

Originally Posted by Rich46yo

While two woman having sex is a beautiful thing theres just something about a sex act between men that I find revolting. I dont think Im alone in this, most hetro men, which means "most men", are revolted when thinking about the act of anal sex amongst two men.

But Im conflicted too. Ive worked around, and for, a huge gay community for many years and have seen much "good" amongst them as well. Gay guys are ,almost to a man, or girl, highly educated, law abiding, involved in the community, and hardworking. They cause very few problems for the Police. Hell, we have an awful lot of fruit cops nowdays. We had a lot of gay bashing years ago, some people got hurt badly and killed by these weirdos. We developed a lot of trust with their community by really going after the sickos that were beating them up just because of their sexuality. Theres a lot of trust between "us" and "them" nowdays and weve worked hard to earn it. Every American has rights under the Constitution. Thats set in stone and cant be dislodged no matter who your sleeping with.

So while I respect many things about them, and serve and protect them as much,or more, then any other community. There are things about them that just make me uncomfortable. Like this marriage thing, dressing up like a woman, walking hand in hand/kissing/feeling each other in public...ect All I ask is they do it at home and not try to force it down the throats of the rest of us, "no pun intended".

Thats all I ask. "Flame" at home, or in your bars, or your clubs..whatever/ Not in front of my child............take care..............Rich

Originally Posted by John H.

Hi Rich. A person's sexuality is as born. It is not a choice. Just as there are no two leaves on a tree the same so too with Human Beings - each has their own identity and their Sexuality is a part of that individuality as with anything else in Nature and the Natural World of which Human Beings are a part. That being said, I have no problem with anyone necessarily but I do think Men should be Men even if they are with each other Sexually. To me it is about one Human Being caring honestly about another and not just using someone.

Probably 95% of all Men, for example, that happen to be either Homosexual or BiSexual you would never know they were unless they chose to tell you they were. Men who act "female" I am not personally interested in at all. And never will be. I can be friends with them and know them as a friend but that is all. I recognize people for who they really are and go from there. If I do not want anything to do with someone - or they me - I move on. Life is too short and wasting time is foolish. Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by John H.

Hi Rich. A person's sexuality is as born. It is not a choice. Just as there are no two leaves on a tree the same so too with Human Beings - each has their own identity and their Sexuality is a part of that individuality as with anything else in Nature and the Natural World of which Human Beings are a part. That being said, I have no problem with anyone necessarily but I do think Men should be Men even if they are with each other Sexually. To me it is about one Human Being caring honestly about another and not just using someone.

Probably 95% of all Men, for example, that happen to be either Homosexual or BiSexual you would never know they were unless they chose to tell you they were. Men who act "female" I am not personally interested in at all. And never will be. I can be friends with them and know them as a friend but that is all. I recognize people for who they really are and go from there. If I do not want anything to do with someone - or they me - I move on. Life is too short and wasting time is foolish. Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by bulletproof1

i am not the highest power so who am i to judge?

Originally Posted by Minotaur

OK, I'm the 6th gay person.

I've been partnered for 8 1/2 years, we live in a nice little suburban house in a nice little suburban neighborhood with a cat, a bird and an elderly sick parent (his). Neither one of us goes for the promiscuous 'We're here, we're queer" limp-wristed flitting around (apologies to the 'We're here, we're queer" limp-wristed flitters). We're just regular guys. I even drive a pickup truck! We do however, look forward to the day when we can get married or at the very least have EXACTLY the same legal rights a heterosexual married couple has. And I don't mean by 'civil union' which excludes most of the legal protections and benefits of 'marriage'; civil union just throws us a bone. I don't care what you call it, just give me the EXACT same legal protections.

Btw, I don't believe what the bible says; I used to be a practising Christian, born and raised Roman Catholic, converted to Eastern Orthodox, and now more a Deist than anything else.

Originally Posted by fantasma62

Besides, you can probably kick my ass if I say otherwise

Originally Posted by MTN WARRIOR

Are idiots lie John H allowed to vote for PResident? I friggin hope not. Excuse me Mr Poll runner, where do I vote for blowjob here??? Hey John, how about you put the lotion and washcloth away and work out and ask questions about fitness. None of what you said matters. Someones sexuality has nothing to do with this forum whether they "explore it" or not. Got to a different forum for stupid questions like that please. Some of us are trying to share FITNESS information.

Originally Posted by MaxMirkin

Dude, why are you so angry at him? Granted a thread like this would probably have been better off in the Sexual Health forum, but it's not like he put into Training. This is open chat (i.e. bullshit) forum, what's the big deal what kind of bullshit gets discussed here? Relax man, life's too short to worry about propriety.

Originally Posted by Shae

In my family, we all have diffrent opinions:

My dad and brother: Being around gay or bi males make them feel uncomfortable. If they were in the same room as the gay and bi males, they would run for their lives. As for the gay females moochin, they are all for it and they wanna watch.

Originally Posted by Minotaur

How do they react when they are in the company of a bunch of guys, and they have no idea how many of those guys are gay? Not to pick on them, but the thing is that people have stereotypical impressions of gay men and think we're all the same way. I could sit in a bar for hours with a bunch of guys, drinking and whoopin' it up, and they'd never know I'm gay. Then later when they find out, they're attitude is "oh shit, really? OK, that's cool." It's happened.

Originally Posted by fantasma62

"Minotauro",


If I wasn't being healthy and all......

Originally Posted by Minotaur

Thanks. One day we'll declare a dietary Free-For-All Day and have that beer... or two... or three...

Originally Posted by myCATpowerlifts

Hey minotaur, i would have never guessed you were gay from your posts and your avi

its cool that you admitted it, so thats 2 gays that have come out and posted
i wonder why the others have not??
no one has said anything bad to you 2 guys...
so that should give others the courage to come out...

just my 2.34 cents

Originally Posted by greekblondechic

I'm straight, but (some) women are hot.. What does that make me?

Originally Posted by MaxMirkin

Perfect!

Originally Posted by cjrmack

I don't judge people by thier race, religion, or sexual preference. I judge them by what kind of person they are.

Originally Posted by Rich46yo

Most are! I believe that, that people are born with their sexuality in-printed in them. Some are not. Some homosexuals are so due to conflicts in sexual identity. If anything there are more conflicts among heterosexuals. Things like pedophilia, incest...ect are more prevelant among heterosexuals then gays. Rape is a crime of violence and cant really be counted as a perversion. I dont think we should allow rapists out of jail, or child molesters. We should let them rot in jail until they die and then let them rot in Hell. You can never really rehab sexual criminals.

But the bottom line is its just plain none of my business who someone sleeps with, as long as they are adults. But this marriage thing? I think thats a big mistake by the gay community. All your doing with that is taking steps back that youv worked so hard to move forward. Theres just no way mainstream people are going to accept that.

There are some crimes that personaly turn my stomach. Rape is one of them, any crime against a child is another, or against the elderly...ect But one that also sticks out is "gay bashing". Ive seen some gays who were beat to shit just because of their sexual preference. Weve had some that were beat to death. The victims often are emotionally scarred for life. Its worse then being beat during a robbery or what not. A gay person whos attacked often exhibits the same scars as a rape victim, the "Im the one at fault" syndrome. They often feel that if they werent sexually perverted it never would have happened. Of course they arent "perverted", most times they had no choice in their sexuality. And nobody "deserves" to be ran down and beat like an animal for ANY reason.

When I first came on this job relations with that community were terrible. There was a lot of ignorance on both sides, most of all ours. Thats changed, like I said. And its for the better..........take care............Rich

Originally Posted by bulletproof1

call me old fashioned but the bible clearly states no man shall lie down with another man. i am not gay but i do believe we will all have to account for our sins 1 day. i am not the highest power so who am i to judge? i just dont like having homosexual convo shoved in my face. keep your personal preferences to yourself.

Originally Posted by Luke9583

It scares me to think that a male can find another male more appealing than a women. I'll never understand how somebody can fail to appreciate the bueaty of the female body. I can however see how somebody could fail to appreciate the female mind

Originally Posted by MarcusMaximus

... the nut keeps going on and on about how he'd beat the fag right out of any homo who makes a pass at him. the funniest part of this, quite apart from my homo buddy not saying anything, was that the alleged straight guy was just about the ugliest specimen on a man i have ever seen; ears like dumbo, perhaps 3 teeth in his entire head and a pointy head to boot! the fruit says to him " you have no fears of that!" ...

Originally Posted by Metalman777

If a guy dabbles in a little man ass he is gay.. no such thing as bisexual for a guy..

Originally Posted by greekblondechic

I'm straight, but (some) women are hot.. What does that make me?

Originally Posted by John H.

Hi Bullet. Remember that the Bible WAS WRITTEN by MEN - Human Beings.

What you say is something that YOU LEARNED, NOT something that is truthful or even natural. Your (anyone's) hatred, bigotry, etc. is something you LEARNED not something you are born with. A person's Sexuality is something we are all born with. The understanding - or lack thereof - is a result of not learning truthfully, accurately and honestly.

I believe no one likes anything "shoved" in their face no matter the viewpoint or the subject. If people were "allowed" to BE who they truthfully are with regard to Sexuality and as long as those involved are of age and ability of consent and give that consent freely that should be the end of any discussion since it is a very private matter between those able to agree and willing.

Take care, John H.

Originally Posted by bulletproof1

yes, it is something i learned and something that i believe. i clearly stated in my post that although i do not agree with the lifestyle, i am in no position to judge. i am not a bigot nor do i have hatred as you said. i work with a fag and everyone knows he is gay. i have no problem with him because he doesnt talk about his "partner" all the time. if having an opinion on the subject labels me of having hatred, so be it. obviously you did not read my post clearly.

Originally Posted by Pepper

I used to have a gay employee...he used the word "fag" all the time. I always thought that was interesting. I think he was refering to the more feminine homosexuals.

Originally Posted by bulletproof1

point well taken. you are entitled to your opinions as i am mine.

lifestyle is simply the word i use to describe how someone lives their life. i can only assume that this word is not acceptable in your mind either.

as far as discussing "partners" with other people ..... i am straight without a doubt. to hear about 2 men being together turns my stomach. someone could tell me about their weekend with a significant other without disclosing the gender and that would be fine. but for a guy to come up to me and tell me about the gay club he went to blah blah blah, that doesnt interest me and why should it?

Originally Posted by kbm8795

bulletproof - I can't speak for Minotaur, but I don't think he intends to come off as attacking - I think you explained yourself well. Maybe words like "lifestyle," which have been repeatedly used by some hate groups as an contention that gays "choose" to be that way is what comes across as harmful to him. Obviously that wasn't your intention.

I don't think anyone should purposefully talk about something that might turn someone else's stomach - it just isn't good manners. But there is a difference between talking about doing everyday things as a couple and...well, going into rather intimate details about a very personal encounter. I would think that might apply to anyone you work with - which maybe is the point Minotaur was trying to make and certainly the one I'm getting from your remarks.

Originally Posted by kbm8795

I believe that usage by other gays isn't seen the same way - similar to how Blacks may call each other "nigger" and it takes on a different meaning when referring within the community. The reasons for the differences are based on the history of violence associated with use of the "fag" word by some straight people. While it's true that not every straight person may mean to use that word with a derogatory intent, those that have that purpose attached physical and/or emotional derision to the term.

As for your employee using it to describe more "feminine" gay people, it sounds like that would be a typical parallel to the terms some men use to describe women. I won't go into a discussion of what those similarities are - it would take a lot ot time.

Originally Posted by Minotaur

.... because like it or not, and believe it or not, being gay is not a choice

Originally Posted by Minotaur

First, I have not personally attacked you, nor am I going to. I am trying to make you back up your statements.

someone could tell me about their weekend with a significant other without disclosing the gender and that would be fine.

English does not have a gender neutral pronoun, other than 'it', which is rude when referring to a person, and not acceptable. I fail to see why you can say you went out with your girlfriend, but I cannot say my boyfriend. That's discriminatory for no good reason other than your personal feelings. Moreover, using gender-neutral descriptions should apply to everyone, then. But as I said, English has no such provision.

Your use of the term 'lifestyle' is an uneducated and incorrect one. Uneducated because you don't know what it is to be gay. You see the stereotypes of clubbers, drinkers and those having promiscuous anonymous sex.

That is not The Gay Lifestyle. You don't see the regular guy on the street or in the mall who just happens to like other men. The gay lifestyle is the same as the heterosexual lifestyle, the Irish lifestyle, the Black lifestyle, the Indian lifestyle in that we go to work, we pay water and sewer bills, we take our pets to the vet, we have our tires rotated every 6,000 miles, we fight crabgrass and other weeds in our lawns, we bitch and moan with our neighbors about the property taxes. That is The Gay Lifestyle.

In case you don't realize it, there are probably more heterosexuals drinking, clubbing and screwing in cars than there are gays, period! But I don't hear you referring to that as a heterosexual lifestyle, do I?

To repeat, that two men being together turns your stomach is your problem. I would suggest that you avoid the company of the gay guy, especially if other people don't have a problem with him. Especially if he is only talking about having gone to the beach or the amusement park, or what they bought for the apartment.

Whether you condone gays or not is irrelevant, because like it or not, and believe it or not, being gay is not a choice. It is who we are. So get used to it. Get used to seeing two men walking down the street hand in hand.

Now, that was not a personal attack, but telling you how it is. Take it or leave it, but get used to it.

Originally Posted by Pepper

I think this statement falls in the category of "if you say something enough times, people think it is true."

I firmly believe being homosexual is a choice. Certainly, acting out on any homosexual desires IS A CHOICE. So, either way, it is a choice.

I am not arguing with your entire statement, just that part.

Originally Posted by bulletproof1

first of all, there is a pronoun in the english language and it is "we". we means 2 or more people with no regard to gender. as far as me and my statements being "uneducated," you know absolutely nothing about me so for you to pop off at the mouth like that is very uneducated on your part. i stand by my opinions on the topic and i have backed up everything i have said from the start even though i owe you no explanation for anything i say.

as far as the term lifestyle, thats exactly what it is. there are recreational drug lifestyles, corporate lifestyles, blue collar lifestyles, everyone has a lifestyle based on their interests and actions. if you dont like that word ... you better get used to it.

as far as you paying bills and walking your dog, wtf does that have to do with anything? did i say you were inhumane or didnt fit into society or didnt engage in normal daily activities? no i did not. i will say it 1 more time. we are all human and we are all different. no one is right and no one is wrong. its all about how you want to live your life. i do not force conversation upon others that i know they dont agree with or will not enjoy. that is what i said in my very first post ..... "i dont want it shoved in my face" and since then you have turned this into a soap opera.

as far as the gay guy, i have no issue with him so why would you say avoid his company? he is gay but he doesnt "shove it in my face." i am not against gays, i am against what it stands for. we can talk about sports, cars, movies, music, etc. and all is good. i would not go to him and tell him about the pussy i spanked over the weekend and he knows i dont wanna hear about the dick he sucked. its all about respect. im sorry you dont understand that aspect of it.

Originally Posted by bulletproof1

sorry pepper looks like its your turn. this thread is wearing me out.

Originally Posted by MaxMirkin

By the way, I agree w/ Pepper - it is a choice. We convince ourselves of which gender we prefer. Nature very clearly intended for men to mate with women. Homosexuality serves no purpose in reproduction and propagating the species.

Originally Posted by Minotaur

My father never believed we went to the moon;
My sister is a die hard Elvis fan and believes he is still alive.

Whatever.

Originally Posted by Minotaur

But what people have to understand is that what they believe the bible says (I believe it is mistranslated and misintepreted www.truluck.com) is their own personal belief. I don't believe what the bible says and I shouldn't have to listen to people tell me "Well, the bible says you're committing a sin." I really don't care! Because it's not my idea or belief. To tell someone that what they do is wrong based on their beliefs is rude and offensive. As rude and offensive as making any other personal comment based on ones own beliefs or taste. That's what it comes down to, really. Especially given that, as I already said, homosexuality is not a crime in the US.