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Posted by: crazy_enough

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Originally Posted by joesmooth20
who's the 8 homos
Imma homo!


Posted by: bio-chem

let this thread die already. its like a vampire in a movie. just when you think its dead it comes back for one omore fight scene


Posted by: buff_tat2d_chic

Bisexual


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
let this thread die already. its like a vampire in a movie. just when you think its dead it comes back for one omore fight scene
Bio boy,

Now I caught you! In a lie. Because if this thread "died" you'd have nothing to bitch about and no one to hate or damn or "send to hell" or whatever was according to your current "vision" and would have nothing to "complain" about or find fault with. You life would be pretty boring. And vampire movies and all the horror and violence, your type always LOVE this stuff - after all Mel Gibson's movie would have NEVER sold one ticket if it had not been for all the violence depicted in it - from start to finish. All previous movies on that theme never really "sold" but put violence that is extreme and graphic and you too could become an "almost billionaire". You missed your calling. Mel, a fellow zealot, beat you to it...

John H.


Posted by: bio-chem

john your an idiot. i never saw passion of the christ. i have never "damned" anyone in any of my posts, and i have never had a vision. i think you should stop assuming. by the way how is your alter ego souped up? been awhile since you logged on as him


Posted by: david




Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
john your an idiot. i never saw passion of the christ. i have never "damned" anyone in any of my posts, and i have never had a vision. i think you should stop assuming. by the way how is your alter ego souped up? been awhile since you logged on as him
Bio boy,

Coming from you I take that as a compliment.

YOU never saw? It is extreme violence start to finish and the only reason it sold as well as it did. If it had been done like all the previous films it would never have.

Souped up? I only know he was on www.bodybuilders.com

I know nothing more about him and do not know him at all other that what you or anyone else reads from what he posts. One thing, he IS NOT me. And NEVER has been. At one point he tries to say things as he says I do and then later on he will say things that try to run me down somehow. I do not know who he (or she?) is.

John H.


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Bio boy,

Coming from you I take that as a compliment.

YOU never saw? It is extreme violence start to finish and the only reason it sold as well as it did. If it had been done like all the previous films it would never have.

Souped up? I only know he was on www.bodybuilders.com

I know nothing more about him and do not know him at all other that what you or anyone else reads from what he posts. One thing, he IS NOT me. And NEVER has been. At one point he tries to say things as he says I do and then later on he will say things that try to run me down somehow. I do not know who he (or she?) is.

John H.
right. wink wink . i believe you john really i do.


Posted by: brogers

I suppose Saving Private Ryan, or any other war movie did so well, not because of the story it told, but because of the "extreme violence" in it. You're pathetic, John H.


Posted by: dstack

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Originally Posted by myCATpowerlifts
who voted homosexual??

im just curious i am not gonna criticize them...
but i guess they wont admit it...

but i hate it when people vote and dont post it
I voted, but I think the term "homosexual" is archaic. I prefer the term "gay." BTW, your puss, Clovis, looks a lot like my Giovanni. I've had him for 11 years from the SPCA in Dallas.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by brogers
I suppose Saving Private Ryan, or any other war movie did so well, not because of the story it told, but because of the "extreme violence" in it. You're pathetic, John H.
Brogers,

The proof is in the receipts at the boxoffice.

There have been a LOT of movies that had very good stories to tell and were very well made and did not bring in much money to their creators at all. In fact that happens a lot. VIOLENCE SELLS. Look at all the other movies that were devoted to Christ and His passion and life that did not fare as well. Also, I think people in general are becoming DESPERATE. I think a lot of people in today's world are seeking "something" and not really knowing "what" and will grasp at anything to save themselves from a personal "drowning" in their lives.

Try making the SAME movie THE PASSION OF CHRIST - WITHOUT - the EXTREME VIOLENCE - and see what the results are at the boxoffice.

You say I am "pathetic" - coming from you I take that as a compliment.

John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by busyLivin
wait a minute.. this may be the wrong thread to moon you in
Hi Busy,

I LAUGHED BIGTIME!!!

How RIGHT you are!!!

Thanks for the LAUGH!!!!

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dstack
I voted, but I think the term "homosexual" is archaic. I prefer the term "gay." BTW, your puss, Clovis, looks a lot like my Giovanni. I've had him for 11 years from the SPCA in Dallas.
Hi D,

In all honesty, I hate all the terms as applied to people - because each of us are Human Beings and should be equally treated - and recognized for our diversity and variety and the contributions each of us make to this world.


All this hating and bigotry will destroy Man"kind"....

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: rockgazer69

where the hell did john go?


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgazer69
where the hell did john go?
Hi Rock,

I was wondering the same thing about you!!! I thought you were upset with me for some reason?

I remember you had to move and that you were visiting too...

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Brogers,

The proof is in the receipts at the boxoffice.

There have been a LOT of movies that had very good stories to tell and were very well made and did not bring in much money to their creators at all. In fact that happens a lot. VIOLENCE SELLS. Look at all the other movies that were devoted to Christ and His passion and life that did not fare as well. Also, I think people in general are becoming DESPERATE. I think a lot of people in today's world are seeking "something" and not really knowing "what" and will grasp at anything to save themselves from a personal "drowning" in their lives.

Try making the SAME movie THE PASSION OF CHRIST - WITHOUT - the EXTREME VIOLENCE - and see what the results are at the boxoffice.

You say I am "pathetic" - coming from you I take that as a compliment.

John H.
your analysis of the situation is completly incompetent. attributing the sucess of saving private ryan to the violence is absurd. i can name 50 movies more violent with less box office earnings. in the top ten grossing movies of all time your going to see a majority of pg-13 movies and not R ratings. look it up. but just like you john to go off about something you assume to know a lot about but in reality have a very limited and tainted point of view on.


Posted by: rockgazer69

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Hi Rock,

I was wondering the same thing about you!!! I thought you were upset with me for some reason?

I remember you had to move and that you were visiting too...

Take Care, John H.
i'm still getting this place in order. soo much painting and so on. it's proving a bigger job then i expected but my son has separation anxiety and it is a mere stones throw from his school so it helps him. he thinks someone is going to steal me when he is at school. when i was goin thru the phase where i liked the rock he used to say "if the rock ever comes here i'll kill him" he's getting over it selectively. he needs me when it's school or me but when it's running wild with his buddies or me he is so out of here. he turns 8 july 1st.
glad to see you are still around. i figured you might be busy with spring on your farm. i saw apple blossoms and lilacs the other day when i went for a walk with ty. lovely and the smell mmmm.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
your analysis of the situation is completly incompetent. attributing the sucess of saving private ryan to the violence is absurd. i can name 50 movies more violent with less box office earnings. in the top ten grossing movies of all time your going to see a majority of pg-13 movies and not R ratings. look it up. but just like you john to go off about something you assume to know a lot about but in reality have a very limited and tainted point of view on.

Bio:

Find a way to have Mel Gibson make this movie again WITHOUT THE VIOLENCE and see what the receipts will be.

I GUARANTEE it will NOT make $650,000,000.00 plus. It IS the volence that sold the movie. The story has been told before WITHOUT the violence and not made nearly the amount of money made by Mel Gibson's movie. And he did it ENTIRELY FOR the MONEY.

John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgazer69
i'm still getting this place in order. soo much painting and so on. it's proving a bigger job then i expected but my son has separation anxiety and it is a mere stones throw from his school so it helps him. he thinks someone is going to steal me when he is at school. when i was goin thru the phase where i liked the rock he used to say "if the rock ever comes here i'll kill him" he's getting over it selectively. he needs me when it's school or me but when it's running wild with his buddies or me he is so out of here. he turns 8 july 1st.
glad to see you are still around. i figured you might be busy with spring on your farm. i saw apple blossoms and lilacs the other day when i went for a walk with ty. lovely and the smell mmmm.

Hi Rock,

Your son will adjust. It is not always easy though.

Work? YEP! And a LOT OF IT. But it can be fun too.

Yes, I am very busy and do not have a lot of time right now but I still check in when I have a minute.

I am not "gone".

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: brogers

The hype by the media combined with a very well made movie made it so crazy successful. You are dellusional. E.T. was one of the top movies of all time back when it came out. I suppose the "EXTREME VIOLENCE" drove people to see it.

You avoid the argument and just continue rambling about how The Passion wouldn't have made as much money without the violence it had in it. There are plenty of slasher films that failed, plenty of movies with so much gore that they aren't even remotely believeable and did terrible at the box office.

Just like my examples of War Movies, the violence in it was there because it happened, not to draw people. It showed suffering that occurred. War Movies show the violence in war, that really happened. You confuse fictional violence with historical truths. Obviously people are interested in the story of Jesus, the Bible is the #1 selling book of all time. Is it really that hard to believe?

Since you know Mel Gibson's secret to making millions, why don't you go make a super violent movie and see how well it does John? Since that's the only reason his did so well, right? You are blinded by your ignorance and close-mindedness.


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Bio:

Find a way to have Mel Gibson make this movie again WITHOUT THE VIOLENCE and see what the receipts will be.

I GUARANTEE it will NOT make $650,000,000.00 plus. It IS the volence that sold the movie. The story has been told before WITHOUT the violence and not made nearly the amount of money made by Mel Gibson's movie. And he did it ENTIRELY FOR the MONEY.

John H.
did you ever think it had anything to do with the fact that it had an amazing amount of publicity before it was released? how mel used 30 million of his own money to finance it and how jim caviezel (dont know spelling) was the main character? the violence did very little for the movie ( it was even re-released without it,) and people wanted it without the violence. many thought the violence was a draw back to the movie. and by the way when was any major film done about Christ previous to this? the last movie i can name that used the bible for its story line was the 10 commandments with charlton heston, if i remeber correctly that one did pretty good as well. maybe there are enough Christians in America who are willing to pay to see a well done movie about something in the bible. did you ever think of that.

john your arguement does not hold water.


Posted by: rockgazer69

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Hi Rock,

Your son will adjust. It is not always easy though.

Work? YEP! And a LOT OF IT. But it can be fun too.

Yes, I am very busy and do not have a lot of time right now but I still check in when I have a minute.

I am not "gone".

Take Care, John H.
if you ever do learn to post pics i'd love to see some of your farm. my landlord bugged his eyes out at the thought of pet rats, i'm guessing goats and chickens would be a firm "no" lol.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by brogers
The hype by the media combined with a very well made movie made it so crazy successful. You are dellusional. E.T. was one of the top movies of all time back when it came out. I suppose the "EXTREME VIOLENCE" drove people to see it.

You avoid the argument and just continue rambling about how The Passion wouldn't have made as much money without the violence it had in it. There are plenty of slasher films that failed, plenty of movies with so much gore that they aren't even remotely believeable and did terrible at the box office.

Just like my examples of War Movies, the violence in it was there because it happened, not to draw people. It showed suffering that occurred. War Movies show the violence in war, that really happened. You confuse fictional violence with historical truths. Obviously people are interested in the story of Jesus, the Bible is the #1 selling book of all time. Is it really that hard to believe?

Since you know Mel Gibson's secret to making millions, why don't you go make a super violent movie and see how well it does John? Since that's the only reason his did so well, right? You are blinded by your ignorance and close-mindedness.
Hi Brogers,

I can assure you I am not at all dellusional.

I stand by what I said. Movies about the Passion of Christ have been made before without the violence and did not sell nearly as well or were as "popular".

The pre-"publication" hype certainly did help sell the movie but the "ignorance" and "closed-mindedness" AND hysteria AND desperation of "religious" zealots and desperate people helped too because they are so lacking in their personal lives and so terrified of the unknown they are willing to accept or swallowing anything shoved their way or "shoved down their throats" as a panacea...

The movie would not have done nearly so well had it not been immersed in violence.

And what did Mel Gibson DO with the MILLIONS he made on the movie and at the expense of those that saw it - expense personal and real and imagined with and within each person...

You mention I should make a movie with violence - I have seen and experience more than I ever care to relate in war and I am not in the "business" of using others at their expense for my personal wealth - and that includes monetarily and personally. I DO NOT and NEVER WILL USE people. That does, however, seem to be to be the "going thing" in today's world and the current measure of "success"... I want no part of that crap.

And I am NOT that kind of person.

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
did you ever think it had anything to do with the fact that it had an amazing amount of publicity before it was released? how mel used 30 million of his own money to finance it and how jim caviezel (dont know spelling) was the main character? the violence did very little for the movie ( it was even re-released without it,) and people wanted it without the violence. many thought the violence was a draw back to the movie. and by the way when was any major film done about Christ previous to this? the last movie i can name that used the bible for its story line was the 10 commandments with charlton heston, if i remeber correctly that one did pretty good as well. maybe there are enough Christians in America who are willing to pay to see a well done movie about something in the bible. did you ever think of that.

john your arguement does not hold water.

Bio:

The movie filled the bill for DESPERATE people. They were USED. And so too their desperation. And "marketing" sure had a lot to do with the "selling" not only the movie but of the people who saw it.

Desperate people will do desperate things. Even at their own expense.

Something that is really truthful rarely really matters especially if it "doesn't feel good" and/or "everybody's doing it" ...

John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgazer69
if you ever do learn to post pics i'd love to see some of your farm. my landlord bugged his eyes out at the thought of pet rats, i'm guessing goats and chickens would be a firm "no" lol.

Hi Rock,

When you get your "special place" you too will KNOW. And it WILL BE.

And the ANIMALS will KNOW TOO!!! And they will LET YOU KNOW as well, trust me!! I see it every day.

HANG IN THERE!!

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: god hand

Quote:
Originally Posted by brogers
I suppose Saving Private Ryan, or any other war movie did so well, not because of the story it told, but because of the "extreme violence" in it. You're pathetic, John H.
Brogers, y cant u accept the fact that Americans like violence?
Every time someone mention either movies this is the first thing they talk about, making the person they told want to see the movie to.


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Bio:

The movie filled the bill for DESPERATE people. They were USED. And so too their desperation. And "marketing" sure had a lot to do with the "selling" not only the movie but of the people who saw it.

Desperate people will do desperate things. Even at their own expense.

Something that is really truthful rarely really matters especially if it "doesn't feel good" and/or "everybody's doing it" ...

John H.
this is the worst explanation i have ever heard. americans have a very individualistic mentality. if we like it we do if not then we dont. we are not lemmings running off the end of a cliff just to follow the leader. come up with a better arguement. this one is worthless. i award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
this is the worst explanation i have ever heard. americans have a very individualistic mentality. if we like it we do if not then we dont. we are not lemurs running off the end of a cliff just to follow the leader. come up with a better arguement. this one is worthless. i award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.
Americans and almost all the people of the world are lemmings.


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by god hand
Brogers, y cant u accept the fact that Americans like violence?
Every time someone mention either movies this is the first thing they talk about, making the person they told want to see the movie to.
WRONG. thats not the first thing people talked about when they said go watch this move. grow up john this whole violence in movies kick is a joke. look at the 6 star wars movies. 5 are rated pg one is pg-13 and they make an un-holy amount of money. its not the violence.


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Americans and almost all the people of the world are lemmings.
i completly disagree. its not part of the american psyche to just blindly follow. if we were that way we would not be having this discussion


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
WRONG. thats not the first thing people talked about when they said go watch this move. grow up john this whole violence in movies kick is a joke. look at the 6 star wars movies. 5 are rated pg one is pg-13 and they make an un-holy amount of money. its not the violence.
Maybe its just me, but the only reason I went to see this movie was to see Jesus get beaten and whipped.....very funny movie


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Maybe its just me, but the only reason I went to see this movie was to see Jesus get beaten and whipped.....very funny movie
are you a 12 year old?


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
are you a 12 year old?
When I was 12 I believed in Santa and Jesus, then I grew up.


Posted by: god hand

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
WRONG. thats not the first thing people talked about when they said go watch this move. grow up john this whole violence in movies kick is a joke. look at the 6 star wars movies. 5 are rated pg one is pg-13 and they make an un-holy amount of money. its not the violence.
Sex, Greed, and Violence= Average American. Sorry, but its the truth


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by god hand
Sex, Greed, and Violence= Average American. Sorry, but its the truth
if that is the case, why are the majority of the top grossing films of all time not rated R? what a pessimistic view you have


Posted by: BigDyl

Hey, I didn't see an option for rabbits?


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
this is the worst explanation i have ever heard. americans have a very individualistic mentality. if we like it we do if not then we dont. we are not lemmings running off the end of a cliff just to follow the leader. come up with a better arguement. this one is worthless. i award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.
Bio:

What makes you think I would want "points" from you? Nothing could be further from the truth.

I stand by what I said because it is true. Period.

God and I have a very good relationship. "Religion" - I would take to the dump.

John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Americans and almost all the people of the world are lemmings.
Hi Foreman,


HOW TRUE!!!

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
if that is the case, why are the majority of the top grossing films of all time not rated R? what a pessimistic view you have
Bio:

The ratings are only a guide.

And ratings given are done so as not to interfere with the gross profits of the film. As with most anything it is all about the money.

John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDyl
Hey, I didn't see an option for rabbits?
Hi Big,

NO ONE must ever interfere with "V" the "WABBIT".

That is HIS domain.

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: god hand

Even Titanic threw had some tits in it!


Posted by: brogers

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Bio:

The ratings are only a guide.

And ratings given are done so as not to interfere with the gross profits of the film. As with most anything it is all about the money.

John H.
The ratings are there to indicate the amount of offensive content, such as violence. The Passion is the first R rated movie in grossing at #9 overall, the next R rated movie is The Matrix Reloaded at #24. Obviously violence is not the key selling point for movies, but the quality of the film itself.

3 of the top 5 grossing movies in the US are PG. Violent films like E.T. and Shrek 2.


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by brogers
The ratings are there to indicate the amount of offensive content, such as violence. The Passion is the first R rated movie in grossing at #9 overall, the next R rated movie is The Matrix Reloaded at #24. Obviously violence is not the key selling point for movies, but the quality of the film itself.

3 of the top 5 grossing movies in the US are PG. Violent films like E.T. and Shrek 2.
The passion was a huge film because most people are simple minded and still believe in Cronus, Zeus, Jesus, or whoever is the Deity on the millennium.


Posted by: god hand

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
The passion was a huge film because most people are simple minded and still believe in Cronus, Zeus, Jesus, or whoever is the Deity on the millennium.
Every MAJOR (Greece, Rome, etc.) kingdom that worship anything other than Jesus or his father is gone! When Jesus died there were like what 360 christans? Look at how many there are now. The people who worshiped Cronus and Zeus tormented Christians, now they are Christians. ForemanRules, I dont think theres a god, I know theres a God! Foreman come back after u study the Roman Empire from 500 B.C to 500 A.D.


Posted by: FishOrCutBait

I can only imagine how this came to the Passion.


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by god hand
Every MAJOR (Greece, Rome, etc.) kingdom that worship anything other than Jesus or his father is gone! When Jesus died there were like what 360 christans? Look at how many there are now. The people who worshiped Cronus and Zeus tormented Christians, now they are Christians. ForemanRules, I dont think theres a god, I know theres a God! Foreman come back after u study the Roman Empire from 500 B.C to 500 A.D.
Dream on, Cronus is about to make a big comeback!


Posted by: god hand

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Dream on, Cronus is about to make a big comeback!
Foreman u two dollar ass hoe! I'm breakin ya down to one fifty!


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Hi Brogers,

I can assure you I am not at all dellusional.

I stand by what I said. Movies about the Passion of Christ have been made before without the violence and did not sell nearly as well or were as "popular".

The pre-"publication" hype certainly did help sell the movie but the "ignorance" and "closed-mindedness" AND hysteria AND desperation of "religious" zealots and desperate people helped too because they are so lacking in their personal lives and so terrified of the unknown they are willing to accept or swallowing anything shoved their way or "shoved down their throats" as a panacea...

The movie would not have done nearly so well had it not been immersed in violence.

And what did Mel Gibson DO with the MILLIONS he made on the movie and at the expense of those that saw it - expense personal and real and imagined with and within each person...

You mention I should make a movie with violence - I have seen and experience more than I ever care to relate in war and I am not in the "business" of using others at their expense for my personal wealth - and that includes monetarily and personally. I DO NOT and NEVER WILL USE people. That does, however, seem to be to be the "going thing" in today's world and the current measure of "success"... I want no part of that crap.

And I am NOT that kind of person.

Take Care, John H.
name another major movie made about Christ. you cant. you say there is one, but dont name specifics. also mel went and donated money for a chuch to be built with some of the money. and if violence was such an issue for it being successful, why was there enough pressure for a re-release with the violence removed? people are interested in Christ. thats how it is.


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
When I was 12 I believed in Santa and Jesus, then I grew up.
well you got it half right.


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
name another major movie made about Christ. you cant. you say there is one, but dont name specifics. also mel went and donated money for a chuch to be built with some of the money. and if violence was such an issue for it being successful, why was there enough pressure for a re-release with the violence removed? people are interested in Christ. thats how it is.
The Greatest Story Ever told


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Bio:

What makes you think I would want "points" from you? Nothing could be further from the truth.

I stand by what I said because it is true. Period.

God and I have a very good relationship. "Religion" - I would take to the dump.

John H.
john you idiot, i was quoting a movie. billy madison, i mean hell dude are you so wrapped up in your delusional furry that you completly miss a joke?


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
The passion was a huge film because most people are simple minded and still believe in Cronus, Zeus, Jesus, or whoever is the Deity on the millennium.
so believers in God are simple minded? what has your athiesm gotten you?


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
so believers in God are simple minded? what has your athiesm gotten you?
It has taught me that life is beautiful and all types of people are worthwhile to know. It has freed me from the judge mental and hateful ways of almost all organized religions.


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
It has taught me that life is beautiful and all types of people are worthwhile to know. It has freed me from the judge mental and hateful ways of almost all organized religions.
and i feel religion has given me all of the same things.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
john you idiot, i was quoting a movie. billy madison, i mean hell dude are you so wrapped up in your delusional furry that you completly miss a joke?
Bio:

The only "joke" I have know a "christian" to "pull" was the one where they crucified Christ - remember it was the religious zealots and the politicians that murdered Him.

It is not ME that is "delusional" I can assure you.

John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
The Greatest Story Ever told
Hi Foreman,

AND, in ALL HONESTY - it IS A "STORY"

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
It has taught me that life is beautiful and all types of people are worthwhile to know. It has freed me from the judge mental and hateful ways of almost all organized religions.
Hi Foreman,

You hit it RIGHT ON BIGTIME!

How ABSOLUTELY TRUE!!!

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Bio:

The only "joke" I have know a "christian" to "pull" was the one where they crucified Christ - remember it was the religious zealots and the politicians that murdered Him.

It is not ME that is "delusional" I can assure you.

John H.
christians didnt crucify Christ you idiot. christians are his followers. it was the Jews who crucified him under Roman authority. its interesting how well someone who doesnt know the facts can twist them.


Posted by: god hand

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
christians didnt crucify Christ you idiot. christians are his followers. it was the Jews who crucified him under Roman authority. its interesting how well someone who doesnt know the facts can twist them.
John H what tha hell made u say some stupid shit like that?


Posted by: god hand

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
It has taught me that life is beautiful and all types of people are worthwhile to know. It has freed me from the judge mental and hateful ways of almost all organized religions.
U blame people hate on religion, but u clearly forgot about how much people can hate because of skin color, nationality, etc. If there was no religion the world would still be the same.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
christians didnt crucify Christ you idiot. christians are his followers. it was the Jews who crucified him under Roman authority. its interesting how well someone who doesnt know the facts can twist them.
Bio:

I am well aware that "christians" came after the death of Christ. At least those that "profess to be"... Whether they actually follow the Words and Teachings of Christ HIMSELF is ENTIRELY another matter and many really do NOT. Oh they SAY they do but as with many "religions" people LIE a lot and PRETEND to be "so pure and righteous"... Which is why I have NO USE for "religion" - and before you twist what I say (and others like you) I AM NOT saying I do not believe in God (or Whoever you perceive Him to be or whatever name you call Him) - I have NO USE for "religion" - there IS a BIG VOID between God and "religion"... The evidence is all around IF one is willing to OPEN their eyes and see...

"Twisting"? Hell "christians" TWIST all the time and everything. And you should know.

At least I got your "attention" but I suspect that is about all. You wouldn't know about the TRUTH if it hit you between the eyes.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by god hand
John H what tha hell made u say some stupid shit like that?
Hi god hand,

I did it on purpose to see if "Bio" was "awake"...

What's this at the bottom of your posts: "Slob on my knob..."? Are you asking for help? When you find someone that truly cares about you I hope they spend a lot of time on you and "send you to heaven"... Guys NEED to BE TRULY HAPPY.

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by god hand
U blame people hate on religion, but u clearly forgot about how much people can hate because of skin color, nationality, etc. If there was no religion the world would still be the same.
Hi god hand,

While I am sure Foreman can and does speak for himself I MUST say: "religion" more often than not is AT THE HEART of the hatred, bigotry, narrowmindedness, tunnel-vision, etc. Yes, people ALSO hate because of skin color, nationality, etc.

I wish I had the power because if I did I would want to eradicate abuse of ALL others, especially children, politics AND "religion" from the face of the earth. THINK ABOUT what this would would be like WITHOUT these things. How MUCH BETTER off everyone WOULD BE.

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: god hand

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Hi god hand,


Guys NEED to BE TRULY HAPPY.

Take Care, John H.
Hmmm....I wonder what makes u happy? A dick up the ass?


Posted by: god hand

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Hi god hand,

While I am sure Foreman can and does speak for himself I MUST say: "religion" more often than not is AT THE HEART of the hatred, bigotry, narrowmindedness, tunnel-vision, etc. Yes, people ALSO hate because of skin color, nationality, etc.

I wish I had the power because if I did I would want to eradicate abuse of ALL others, especially children, politics AND "religion" from the face of the earth. THINK ABOUT what this would would be like WITHOUT these things. How MUCH BETTER off everyone WOULD BE.

Take Care, John H.
U make it sound like people would not hate each other if there was no religion? Thats damn stupid.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by god hand
Hmmm....I wonder what makes u happy? A dick up the ass?
Hi god hand,

Are YOU asking ME if it would make YOU happy or make ME happy? Or both?

Have you ever tried it?

How old a r e you?

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by god hand
U make it sound like people would not hate each other if there was no religion? Thats damn stupid.
Hi God hand,

Actually by eliminating "religion" it WOULD eliminate a LOT of hatred, bigotry, etc. I'd like to give it an honest try...

"Religion" IS the cause of a lot of it. And please do not get this confused. I am not saying eliminate God I am saying eliminate "religion"...

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: god hand

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Hi God hand,

Actually by eliminating "religion" it WOULD eliminate a LOT of hatred, bigotry, etc. I'd like to give it an honest try...

"Religion" IS the cause of a lot of it. And please do not get this confused. I am not saying eliminate God I am saying eliminate "religion"...

Take Care, John H.
Yeah I know what tha fuc your saying. And yes your right, BUT! There would be no reason to do any good deeds. If I didnt believe in God, I would have killed many people by now and trust me, I'm not the only one. Thats y the world would be the same if not worse. Y would I fear my wrong doing or the pain I bring others, if I believed there was no judgment for my wrong doing? The only thing keeping a LOT of people from doing evil is there religion! If people didnt fear and believe in eternal damnation, they would be a lot worse! I'm talking about evil! I could easily grab a glock and robbed the corner store with no problem. And trust me John H, I'm NOT the only person like this!


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by god hand
Yeah I know what tha fuc your saying. And yes your right, BUT! There would be no reason to do any good deeds. If I didnt believe in God, I would have killed many people by now and trust me, I'm not the only one. Thats y the world would be the same if not worse. Y would I fear my wrong doing or the pain I bring others, if I believed there was no judgment for my wrong doing? The only thing keeping a LOT of people from doing evil is there religion! If people didnt fear and believe in eternal damnation, they would be a lot worse! I'm talking about evil! I could easily grab a glock and robbed the corner store with no problem. And trust me John H, I'm NOT the only person like this!
Hi god hand,

Why create anything bad?

Why can't all deeds be good?

Why have "wrong doing"? What's its purpose?

Why would there be any need for "judgement" if all people treated each other well? There would be no need for any "eternal damnation"!

I TOTALLY DISAGREE with you on "religion" keeping people from doing wrong - hell MANY DO WRONG in the name of "religion" ALL THE TIME!!! They use their "religion" and its beliefs to DO WRONG!

What would your reason(s) and purpose(s) be for wanting to kill anyone? What would cause you to go to that extreme?

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: bio-chem

if there is no bad then there is no good. no hate then conversely no love. there just is a bunch of zombies running around that all do the same things with no diversity. we are here on this earth to learn good and evil. the greatest gift God gave us was our ability to choose for ourselves what we wanted in this life. God did not create bad. he lets it happen so that we may gain wisdom, experience, and knowlege.

john i would think you of all people would be happy he has given us diversity and does let us choose for ourselves whether we want to accept the good or the bad, the right or the wrong. we must just realize that there are consequences for our actions and choices we make. hence he rewards us for choosing the path he would want for us and we are penalized when we choose contrary to his will for us.

john i really hope that you try and read this with understanding. i realize because it is coming from me you will probably disregard it off right, but that is just how it is.


Posted by: brogers

Considering the wonderful, kind, and unselfish things that millions of Christians do on a daily basis whether it be through their church, a charity, or anything they do as individuals to help others, the elimination of religion as you so desire would be an awful thing. Millions of people are helped through Christian organizations every year. The people who twist their beliefs to support violence or prejudice are the extreme minority. You are blinded by your hatred and see only the side that you want to see.


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by brogers
Considering the wonderful, kind, and unselfish things that millions of Christians do on a daily basis whether it be through their church, a charity, or anything they do as individuals to help others, the elimination of religion as you so desire would be an awful thing. Millions of people are helped through Christian organizations every year. The people who twist their beliefs to support violence or prejudice are the extreme minority. You are blinded by your hatred and see only the side that you want to see.



Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by brogers
Considering the wonderful, kind, and unselfish things that millions of Christians do on a daily basis whether it be through their church, a charity, or anything they do as individuals to help others, the elimination of religion as you so desire would be an awful thing. Millions of people are helped through Christian organizations every year. The people who twist their beliefs to support violence or prejudice are the extreme minority. You are blinded by your hatred and see only the side that you want to see.
Like burning witches, and torture..the papal inquisition and the Spanish Inquisition,,,,am I forgetting any others, disobeying their own bible and baptizing baby's and forbidding meat....2 things Jesus said was the sign of a false religion,ummmmm ok invading Mexico and forcing the native Indian people to pray to their God....I could name dozens of countries but whats the point.....ummmm....wielding a unforgiving and self important hand in the political world.....Help me people I'm about to puke


Posted by: min0 lee

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Like burning witches, and torture..the papal inquisition and the Spanish Inquisition,,,,am I forgetting any others, disobeying their own bible and baptizing baby's and forbidding meat....2 things Jesus said was the sign of a false religion,ummmmm ok invading Mexico and forcing the native Indian people to pray to their God....I could name dozens of countries but whats the point.....ummmm....wielding a unforgiving and self important hand in the political world.....Help me people I'm about to puke
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It has taught me that life is beautiful and all types of people are worthwhile to know. It has freed me from the judge mental and hateful ways of almost all organized religions.

I believe in God but not in organized religion. I respect all of your beliefs but you can't hide the facts. Tell me if all that stuff that Foreman posted above is not true.

I can remember when I was 10 years old my 13 year old half sister was having an affair with my stepfather and when I told my mother she didn't know what to do or who to believe, what did she do? She went to our religious neighbors for help....what a joke.
Their way of solving this was to have me and my half sister put our hands on the bible and swear on it, I don't know what that proved but they said I lied about the whole thing. Why because I was nervous holding the bible......oh man I was a baby and my stepfather was threatening to kill me and abuse my other sisters, how else am I going to act.
Well lo and behold they decided I needed to cleanse my soul, they made me go to their church and everyone in church looked at me like I was shit and I'll never forget that feeling of being wrongly jugded.

Anyway my Mother finally caught them and I was finally vindicated but it was too late, I didn't give a dog crap anymore.
The bastard stabbed my Mother in the back but she was OK, the sad thing is that all my sisters cried like crazy but I stood there deadly calm like nothing happened.....don't know why cause I do love my mother but.. I guess I have no soul.

I shouldn't have posted this stuff, it's a bit personal but I see alot of wrong with organized religion and no one is doing a thing about it.

You guys think this stuff the catholic priests do just happened yesterday.....wake up.

How many old folks have been swindled out of there life savings from a preacher they looked up to.

Organized religion is just a business......

I used to pray to God at night.....


Go ahead and Judge me....again


Quote:
Life is bigger It's bigger than you
And you are not me
The lengths that I will go to
The distance in your eyes
Oh no I've said too much
I set it up

That's me in the corner
That's me in the spotlight
Losing my religion
Trying to keep up with you
And I don't know if I can do it
Oh no I've said too much
I haven't said enough



Posted by: bio-chem

how sad. on so many levels


Posted by: min0 lee

Sorry, I was just a kid.


Posted by: bio-chem

i didnt mean for anything you did. i meant that you had to experience that among other things


Posted by: min0 lee

I went through a lot more at a young age.
I am just glad that the dirtbag didn't harm my younger sister's, but he put me through mental hell though.


Posted by: god hand

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Like burning witches, and torture..the papal inquisition and the Spanish Inquisition,,,,am I forgetting any others, disobeying their own bible and baptizing baby's and forbidding meat....2 things Jesus said was the sign of a false religion,ummmmm ok invading Mexico and forcing the native Indian people to pray to their God....I could name dozens of countries but whats the point.....ummmm....wielding a unforgiving and self important hand in the political world.....Help me people I'm about to puke
Okay your right, so what? The key is to make everybody in the world Christians. How, many Christians were there in America 500 years ago? How many are there now?


Posted by: Witmaster

Quote:
Originally Posted by min0 lee


Go ahead and Judge me....again
Not even. No way.

Posting such intimate details from your childhood was both bold and brave. Thank you for sharing.

I won't even beging to speculate as to why your "religious neighbors" elected to have you place your hands on the Bible and Swear an oath. I am sorry for the pain and shame caused to you by the ignorant and narrow-minded faculties who felt it was necessarly to publicly "cleanse" you in the church. All these are reasons why I do not subscribe to "Organized Religious Denominations".

I applaude your strength for having overcome such trying circumstances at so young an age. You should be a crisis counselor.


Posted by: Witmaster

Quote:
Originally Posted by god hand
How, many Christians were there in America 500 years ago? How many are there now?
Uh......... there was no America 500 years ago.


Posted by: Witmaster

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Like burning witches, and torture..the papal inquisition and the Spanish Inquisition,,,,am I forgetting any others, disobeying their own bible and baptizing baby's and forbidding meat....2 things Jesus said was the sign of a false religion,ummmmm ok invading Mexico and forcing the native Indian people to pray to their God....I could name dozens of countries but whats the point.....ummmm....wielding a unforgiving and self important hand in the political world.....Help me people I'm about to puke
Feel free to puke if it helps. You only have yourself to blame.

What we have here is a clear example of someone who is steadfastly opposed to the Christian Faith, so much so that all he can see is the evil of mankind commited throughout history in the name of religion.

It's no secret that crimes against humanity have been commited by all sorts of self-proclaimed "religious groups". And each and every one of the offenders will stand judgement for it. God is not mocked.

Now we could follow your narrow-minded logic and point to all the attrocities commited by NON-Christian people and deduct that all non-christians are evil, vile, self-serving pieces of shit. However, most of us are a tad bit more mature than that and recognize that (to use the old phrase) "throwing the baby out with the bath water" is not the solution.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
if there is no bad then there is no good. no hate then conversely no love. there just is a bunch of zombies running around that all do the same things with no diversity. we are here on this earth to learn good and evil. the greatest gift God gave us was our ability to choose for ourselves what we wanted in this life. God did not create bad. he lets it happen so that we may gain wisdom, experience, and knowlege.

john i would think you of all people would be happy he has given us diversity and does let us choose for ourselves whether we want to accept the good or the bad, the right or the wrong. we must just realize that there are consequences for our actions and choices we make. hence he rewards us for choosing the path he would want for us and we are penalized when we choose contrary to his will for us.

john i really hope that you try and read this with understanding. i realize because it is coming from me you will probably disregard it off right, but that is just how it is.
Bio:

It is your type that are against diversity - variety. You seem to have a total lack of any understanding of its existance and importance and meaning and purpose(s) in life and in living. You say it all the time and use your Bible as your "authority" totally disregarding ALL other FACTS as THEY ARE especially in Nature and the Natural World. You (meaning those as yourself also) ONLY consider ONLY what YOU want to consider and dismiss all other information that may be to the contrary of your "thinking"... And utilize that Bible to beat over others' heads' your "thinking" which IS MAN-MADE. You have little or no objectivity and certainly lack open-mindedness.

God created everything. So we are told. You can not just dismiss what you "think" He may or may not have created and only pick out certain things. And it is your "beliefs" based on what you learn from your "religion" - which is Man made - that have you "thinking" what is "right" or "wrong".

When you are speaking of "consequences of your actions" I hope you will realize and remember that those who are "on your side" of your "thinking" will also suffer the consequences of your actions. Or inaction.

I really feel that those of you (likeminded persons) who feel as you do are drowning in your created and self-imposed tunnel-vision.

John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by brogers
Considering the wonderful, kind, and unselfish things that millions of Christians do on a daily basis whether it be through their church, a charity, or anything they do as individuals to help others, the elimination of religion as you so desire would be an awful thing. Millions of people are helped through Christian organizations every year. The people who twist their beliefs to support violence or prejudice are the extreme minority. You are blinded by your hatred and see only the side that you want to see.
Brogers,

Perhaps it is you that is blinded and only see what you want to see.

A hell of a lot of misery in this world IS ROOTED IN RELIGION. Now and in the past and I suspect will always be. The evidence IS THERE if you will willingly open your eyes WIDE. If you have never been the focus of that you certainly would not ever see it or be willing to acknowledge it. You would only look out for yourself as so many do.

Are there those that do help others - yes, I am sure. Many though are only joining a "club" to "socialize" and "be accepted" - not be somehow "left out" and whatever it takes to "be accepted" they do without any regard to facts as they ARE. And to somehow feel better about themselves. Not really taking an honest and concerted effort to SOLVE...

John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Like burning witches, and torture..the papal inquisition and the Spanish Inquisition,,,,am I forgetting any others, disobeying their own bible and baptizing baby's and forbidding meat....2 things Jesus said was the sign of a false religion,ummmmm ok invading Mexico and forcing the native Indian people to pray to their God....I could name dozens of countries but whats the point.....ummmm....wielding a unforgiving and self important hand in the political world.....Help me people I'm about to puke
Hi Foreman,

... AND we are told God ONLY appeared to Moses - no one else - and that His ONLY commandment and desire was that ALL people treat each other well - nothing more. Yet look at how many "religious types" are at the SOURCE of the world's misery and murder and hatred and bigotry....

The "religious types" can not even be faithful to God's ONLY and ONE COMMANDMENT AND DESIRE... But they sure can dream up many many others and lay their source at God's doorstep... And "damn" and persecute....

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by min0 lee
I believe in God but not in organized religion. I respect all of your beliefs but you can't hide the facts. Tell me if all that stuff that Foreman posted above is not true.

I can remember when I was 10 years old my 13 year old half sister was having an affair with my stepfather and when I told my mother she didn't know what to do or who to believe, what did she do? She went to our religious neighbors for help....what a joke.
Their way of solving this was to have me and my half sister put our hands on the bible and swear on it, I don't know what that proved but they said I lied about the whole thing. Why because I was nervous holding the bible......oh man I was a baby and my stepfather was threatening to kill me and abuse my other sisters, how else am I going to act.
Well lo and behold they decided I needed to cleanse my soul, they made me go to their church and everyone in church looked at me like I was shit and I'll never forget that feeling of being wrongly jugded.

Anyway my Mother finally caught them and I was finally vindicated but it was too late, I didn't give a dog crap anymore.
The bastard stabbed my Mother in the back but she was OK, the sad thing is that all my sisters cried like crazy but I stood there deadly calm like nothing happened.....don't know why cause I do love my mother but.. I guess I have no soul.

I shouldn't have posted this stuff, it's a bit personal but I see alot of wrong with organized religion and no one is doing a thing about it.

You guys think this stuff the catholic priests do just happened yesterday.....wake up.

How many old folks have been swindled out of there life savings from a preacher they looked up to.

Organized religion is just a business......

I used to pray to God at night.....


Go ahead and Judge me....again
Hi minO,

You certainly show some of what "religion" has done. And is doing even today. And they will be the first to beat themselves on their chests as so "righteous" and "clean" and "pure" and "godly"...

I too have no use for "religion" WHICH IS MAN-MADE. I do believe in God (or the Great Spirit or Whoever you wish to call Him) but NEVER "religion. Nor do I subsribe to their teachings.

Fortunately not everyone in this world is bad - but is sure seems like it from time to time....

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by god hand
Okay your right, so what? The key is to make everybody in the world Christians. How, many Christians were there in America 500 years ago? How many are there now?

god hand,

I don't think so!

Given the history of "christians".

So you are now saying that the only "religion" must be "christian"? That no other "religion" is or may be right?

This country was FAR better off without "christians" 500 years ago. Look what they did to the American Indians. And "in the name of God"...

John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Witmaster
Feel free to puke if it helps. You only have yourself to blame.

What we have here is a clear example of someone who is steadfastly opposed to the Christian Faith, so much so that all he can see is the evil of mankind commited throughout history in the name of religion.

It's no secret that crimes against humanity have been commited by all sorts of self-proclaimed "religious groups". And each and every one of the offenders will stand judgement for it. God is not mocked.

Now we could follow your narrow-minded logic and point to all the attrocities commited by NON-Christian people and deduct that all non-christians are evil, vile, self-serving pieces of shit. However, most of us are a tad bit more mature than that and recognize that (to use the old phrase) "throwing the baby out with the bath water" is not the solution.
Hi Witmaster,

I for one feel this world would be much better off WITHOUT ANY "religion". Remember they ARE MAN-MADE.

And along with that the elimination of abuse of anyone especially children - and politics.

As far as I am concerned they are each in the same "basket"... And guilty of the same. And worthless.

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: god hand

Quote:
Originally Posted by Witmaster
Uh......... there was no America 500 years ago.
North America, South America! Whatever the fuck u want to called it! The fucking land the Indians lived on! Dont get smart!


Posted by: god hand

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
god hand,

I don't think so!

Given the history of "christians".

So you are now saying that the only "religion" must be "christian"? That no other "religion" is or may be right?

This country was FAR better off without "christians" 500 years ago. Look what they did to the American Indians. And "in the name of God"...

John H.
Thats not the point I'm trying to make. Eventually, every part of this world will become Christian. Before america was discovered, there was not one christian on this land north or south. 500 years later, christianty is the main religion practice in both americas. You cant disagree with history! Look a europe and all the kingdoms that has past, Rome, Greece, etc. They was either non christian or anti-christian. Look at europe now......So what your ancestors kill off all the Indians! Does that make u sad? I'm sorry they killed a whole bunch of pagan worshipers.


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by Witmaster
Feel free to puke if it helps. You only have yourself to blame.

What we have here is a clear example of someone who is steadfastly opposed to the Christian Faith, so much so that all he can see is the evil of mankind commited throughout history in the name of religion.

It's no secret that crimes against humanity have been commited by all sorts of self-proclaimed "religious groups". And each and every one of the offenders will stand judgement for it. God is not mocked.

Now we could follow your narrow-minded logic and point to all the attrocities commited by NON-Christian people and deduct that all non-christians are evil, vile, self-serving pieces of shit. However, most of us are a tad bit more mature than that and recognize that (to use the old phrase) "throwing the baby out with the bath water" is not the solution.
Thats a sad argument or comment Wit. There is little or nothing more narrow minded then Christians and many other religions logic. I pointed to about 1% of the atrocities of the Christians committed not all. Maturity is not turning your back to the truth and the " organized Christian religion" is very evil and not just in their history ( which is rich in blood and intolerance) but by their currant actions and laws. It's clear you can't see above the trees, and that what you were taught to believe, is all you believe. The next time you try to defend such an ugly religion try not to curse and make fun of the other persons comments.....Kind of proves my point for me.


Posted by: god hand

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
god hand,


So you are now saying that the only "religion" must be "christian"? That no other "religion" is or may be right?

John H.
Damn right thats what I'm saying! And it will be overtime.


Posted by: god hand

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
god hand,

And "in the name of God"...

John H.
Oh please! Dont give me this bullshit anymore! U already know what the damn Spaniards wanted when they came over here! Y havent u yet understood that every christian (or person that believe Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins) isnt gonna act Holy! Shit even Hitler believed in Jesus! Do u think that was gonna make him stop doing evil? Hell no!


Posted by: irontime

Quote:
Originally Posted by god hand
Damn right thats what I'm saying! And it will be overtime.
Alright buddy, i'm getting kinda sick of you sucking yourself off.

Ponder this, the bible clearly states that god knows everything that is going to happen before it happens, it also states that god created everything. So putting the two facts together then god knew what would happen when he created Satan, he knew what would happen to Adam and Eve when he first put the tree there, he knew a thousand years ago that I would be typing this. So if that's the case then he created everything to happen the way it did. He created Satan to sin, he made it so that his son would have to get tortured, he planned out every rape, murder, and shitty thing that has happened if the bible you are beating off is true.

So if your god in your bible is true, then he is the biggest piece of shit I ever heard about.


Posted by: bkc

Heterosexual 130 88.44%

Cool... There's hope for this board afterall...


Posted by: Witmaster

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Thats a sad argument or comment Wit. There is little or nothing more narrow minded then Christians and many other religions logic. I pointed to about 1% of the atrocities of the Christians committed not all. Maturity is not turning your back to the truth and the " organized Christian religion" is very evil and not just in their history ( which is rich in blood and intolerance) but by their currant actions and laws. It's clear you can't see above the trees, and that what you were taught to believe, is all you believe. The next time you try to defend such an ugly religion try not to curse and make fun of the other persons comments.....Kind of proves my point for me.
Actually, all it proves is how blinded by hate you really are.

You speak so vehemently against "Religion". I couldn't agree more. I Speak of "Faith" which, somehow, you equate to mean the same as Religion. There's a difference.

Religion is created by man for the benifit of man. It is a structured form of beliefs that dictate to others what is true and correct to believe. Religion is (often) twisted and corrupted to provide self-serving individuals with power and posession.

Faith is the inner witness to convictions and beliefs that a person lives by. Not a "written code" (although people do choose to verbalize thier convictions through written text). Faith is the inner quickening that enables a believer in Christ to ACTUALLY believe. Without true faith, you could never comprehend this.

You claim to think that I cannot see the forrest through the trees and yet it is YOU who insist on calling all christians "evil" simply based upon your predications that we are all somehow responsible for the attrocities commited by others. You claim that all christianity is "evil". How unbelievably ironic that you would say such things about the one Man who died for you (Jesus Christ).

I'm not looking to convert you here. That's God's business. I suppose that somewhere along the way you were seriously wounded by "religion" in some manner and that is the source of your hatred.


Regardless,

Happy Birthday. Jesus Loves You.


Posted by: Witmaster

Quote:
Originally Posted by irontime
Alright buddy, i'm getting kinda sick of you sucking yourself off.

Ponder this, the bible clearly states that god knows everything that is going to happen before it happens, it also states that god created everything. So putting the two facts together then god knew what would happen when he created Satan, he knew what would happen to Adam and Eve when he first put the tree there, he knew a thousand years ago that I would be typing this. So if that's the case then he created everything to happen the way it did. He created Satan to sin, he made it so that his son would have to get tortured, he planned out every rape, murder, and shitty thing that has happened if the bible you are beating off is true.

So if your god in your bible is true, then he is the biggest piece of shit I ever heard about.
IT,
PLEASE don't think that god hand is speaking for the rest of us.

I do understand your arguement. I once held an identical view myself. But ponder this...

Isn't it amazing that God, in his infinite wisdom and knowledge, KNOWING IN ADVANCE that we would all fall from grace and sin (some more than others) still allows us to live and enjoy the blessings of life when He has every right to obliterate us from existance.

I deserve death for the things I have done in my life and yet God chooses to give me one opportunity after the next to enjoy the blessings of this life and share them with others.

That's some crazy shit, isn't it?


Posted by: irontime

Hey Wit,

no problem, I completely understand that he doesn't speak for the rest of you and lately I've been trying to stay out of conversations like this one, he was just gettin on my nerves the way he was talking down to people.

And you are completely entitled to your opinion and I wouldn't want to even try to change it. I just went the opposite way you did, I was religious, did a lot of study and ended up at that conclusion To each their own I guess. I could argue back that he allows us to live each and every day for the sake of his own amusement guess we'll never know.

On that note I think I'll try to stay out of this topic, it seems to go on pointlessly until a mod shuts it down adios


Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by Witmaster
Actually, all it proves is how blinded by hate you really are.

You speak so vehemently against "Religion". I couldn't agree more. I Speak of "Faith" which, somehow, you equate to mean the same as Religion. There's a difference.

Religion is created by man for the benifit of man. It is a structured form of beliefs that dictate to others what is true and correct to believe. Religion is (often) twisted and corrupted to provide self-serving individuals with power and posession.

Faith is the inner witness to convictions and beliefs that a person lives by. Not a "written code" (although people do choose to verbalize thier convictions through written text). Faith is the inner quickening that enables a believer in Christ to ACTUALLY believe. Without true faith, you could never comprehend this.

You claim to think that I cannot see the forrest through the trees and yet it is YOU who insist on calling all christians "evil" simply based upon your predications that we are all somehow responsible for the attrocities commited by others. You claim that all christianity is "evil". How unbelievably ironic that you would say such things about the one Man who died for you (Jesus Christ).

I'm not looking to convert you here. That's God's business. I suppose that somewhere along the way you were seriously wounded by "religion" in some manner and that is the source of your hatred.


Regardless,

Happy Birthday. Jesus Loves You.
1.Please point out where I said anything about faith............Nope I didn't think so...Please dint twist my words to make your point look better, thats just wrong.
2. Please point out where I said ALL Christians were evil.......Nope I didn't say that either...Get real do you even have a point other than spinning.
3. Yes the history of many Religions is filled with evil acts in every generation...Not just the Christians.
4. Yes I do hate anything that: tortures, murders, oppresses, lies, and forces unwanted change on any culture or people.
5. Your opinions of what Jesus did or didn't do, certainly don't reflect in most of the Religions that " follow his teachings"
6. It is sad that you need to lie about what I have said, and use the words "hatred" and " seriously hurt", to attempt to tear me down or belittle my opinions. Just another example of your inability to accept others without judgments or anger....I do hope you learn to represent what you believe in a honest and non judge mental way some day.


Posted by: Vieope

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Originally Posted by irontime
Ponder this, the bible clearly states that god knows everything that is going to happen before it happens, it also states that god created everything..
God made the best deal ever. It goes like that:
If you did something good, helped somebody then that is because he meant that way.

If you mess up, if you did something terribly wrong, then that is because of your free will.

Hooray for God.


Posted by: bkc

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Originally Posted by Vieope
God made the best deal ever. It goes like that:
If you did something good, helped somebody then that is because he meant that way.

If you mess up, if you did something terribly wrong, then that is because of your free will.

Hooray for God.
It all takes free will.


Posted by: Vieope

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Originally Posted by bkc
It all takes free will.
So God has any influence over your actions? Is it only up to you?


Posted by: Witmaster

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Originally Posted by irontime
Hey Wit,

no problem, I completely understand that he doesn't speak for the rest of you and lately I've been trying to stay out of conversations like this one, he was just gettin on my nerves the way he was talking down to people.

And you are completely entitled to your opinion and I wouldn't want to even try to change it. I just went the opposite way you did, I was religious, did a lot of study and ended up at that conclusion To each their own I guess. I could argue back that he allows us to live each and every day for the sake of his own amusement guess we'll never know.

On that note I think I'll try to stay out of this topic, it seems to go on pointlessly until a mod shuts it down adios
Agreed. I've found that discussions like this typically result in deeply divided camps and enraged emotions. Like you, I usually avoid this sort of engagements as they rarely pruduce fruitful results.

Cheers!


Posted by: Vieope

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Originally Posted by Witmaster
Agreed. I've found that discussions like this typically result in deeply divided camps and enraged emotions. Like you, I usually avoid this sort of engagements as they rarely pruduce fruitful results.

Cheers!
Cheers


Posted by: god hand

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Originally Posted by Vieope
So God has any influence over your actions? Is it only up to you?
I hate to say this, but I think bunny is right. Yes God does have influence over our actions, and he can give Satan the power to influence us also.


Posted by: god hand

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Originally Posted by irontime
Alright buddy, i'm getting kinda sick of you sucking yourself off.

Ponder this, the bible clearly states that god knows everything that is going to happen before it happens, it also states that god created everything. So putting the two facts together then god knew what would happen when he created Satan, he knew what would happen to Adam and Eve when he first put the tree there, he knew a thousand years ago that I would be typing this. So if that's the case then he created everything to happen the way it did. He created Satan to sin, he made it so that his son would have to get tortured, he planned out every rape, murder, and shitty thing that has happened if the bible you are beating off is true.

So if your god in your bible is true, then he is the biggest piece of shit I ever heard about.

Did God know Satan was going to turn against him?


Posted by: irontime

If what the bible says is true then


Posted by: bkc

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Originally Posted by Vieope
So God has any influence over your actions? Is it only up to you?
Absolutely it's up to me... That's what "free" will is. Sure by my free will I may decide to follow Him or allow Him to take control but by my free will I could chose to allow the devil to do the same... As well by my free will I can turn from or to one or the other... We have free will. No question about that.


Posted by: god hand

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Originally Posted by irontime
If what the bible says is true then
I guess its all a game.....well probably do the same if we were God


Posted by: god hand

"Well Satan, I bet I can get more souls than u! Well see about that!"


Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by John H.
Bio:

It is your type that are against diversity - variety. You seem to have a total lack of any understanding of its existance and importance and meaning and purpose(s) in life and in living. You say it all the time and use your Bible as your "authority" totally disregarding ALL other FACTS as THEY ARE especially in Nature and the Natural World. You (meaning those as yourself also) ONLY consider ONLY what YOU want to consider and dismiss all other information that may be to the contrary of your "thinking"... And utilize that Bible to beat over others' heads' your "thinking" which IS MAN-MADE. You have little or no objectivity and certainly lack open-mindedness.

God created everything. So we are told. You can not just dismiss what you "think" He may or may not have created and only pick out certain things. And it is your "beliefs" based on what you learn from your "religion" - which is Man made - that have you "thinking" what is "right" or "wrong".

When you are speaking of "consequences of your actions" I hope you will realize and remember that those who are "on your side" of your "thinking" will also suffer the consequences of your actions. Or inaction.

I really feel that those of you (likeminded persons) who feel as you do are drowning in your created and self-imposed tunnel-vision.

John H.
just like i thought. you didnt even try.


Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by John H.
Hi Foreman,

... AND we are told God ONLY appeared to Moses - no one else - and that His ONLY commandment and desire was that ALL people treat each other well - nothing more. Yet look at how many "religious types" are at the SOURCE of the world's misery and murder and hatred and bigotry....

The "religious types" can not even be faithful to God's ONLY and ONE COMMANDMENT AND DESIRE... But they sure can dream up many many others and lay their source at God's doorstep... And "damn" and persecute....

Take Care, John H.
once agian your information about christianity and what we are told in the bible is inacurate. multiple prophets in the bible had God appear to them. but i dont expect you to change your inaccurate understanding of the bible. you dont use it, why should you. its much easier to just make up stuff and say its in the bible


Posted by: god hand

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Originally Posted by bio-chem
once agian your information about christianity and what we are told in the bible is inacurate. multiple prophets in the bible had God appear to them. but i dont expect you to change your inaccurate understanding of the bible. you dont use it, why should you. its much easier to just make up stuff and say its in the bible
Uh.....I throught Moses was.....


Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by god hand
Uh.....I throught Moses was.....
you thought moses was what? the only one to see God? damn dude with allies like this who needs enemies. look up Acts 7:55-56


Posted by: god hand

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Originally Posted by bio-chem
you thought moses was what? the only one to see God? damn dude with allies like this who needs enemies. look up Acts 7:55-56
Damn! Nice way to prove your point! no

When u get two thumbs up from me, u know youre right!


Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by bio-chem
you thought moses was what? the only one to see God? damn dude with allies like this who needs enemies. look up Acts 7:55-56
Have to give it up to you bio....your right on this 1, I didn't know anyone else had looked upon God.......here is another one.

EXODUS 24:9-11
Moses then went up with Aaron, Nadab, Abihu, and seventy elders of Israel,and beheld the God of Israel. Under his feet there appeared to be sapphire tilework, as clear as the sky itself. Yet he did not smite these chosen Israelites. After gazing on God, they could still eat and drink.


Posted by: god hand

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