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Does anyone here have either Hypo or Hyper Thyroid Dysfunction?

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Posted by: Johnnny

I was wondering does anyone here have either Hypo or Hyper Thyroid Dysfunction?

Posted by: Vieope

I often see people complaining about that, tyroid problem. It is like some "conditions" that only developed countries have, like: concussion, "sugar high", hyperventilating .. most of our population is not aware of these things, it is a shame.
I think that if you choke here nobody will know how to do a heimlich maneuver

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Sorry for the rant, I will look on the net what it is about but I think that if you hit the search button for "tyroid" here on IM you will find some posts.

Posted by: Johnnny

Actually you forgot to type the "h" in thyroid. I was curious if other members here had either hypo or hyper thyroid dysfuntion. Many ppl don't even know they had it. Someone I know who went out with an ex of mine told me she lost a lot of weight, was always tired & depressed & very edgey ready to blow up at any second, along with hot flashes. This is definitely hyper thyroid which is what I've been treated for with Iodine in August. Hyper thyroid is when your body is getting too much of the thyroid hormone & weight loss is almost inevidable. As hypo thyroid is when your body isn't producing enough thyroid hormone, neither are good for athletes & ppl looking to build up size/power. Iodine with enough dosage shuts the thyroid down completely but it takes as much as 6 months to fully take effect. As it did me, & then synthroid (man made throid hormone) is given to replace the hormone & is better controlled. Before this for almost 3yrs I was on a $50 medication called Tapazole which is for Hyper thyorid patients & is given to help bring the your thyroid down to an equalibrium but as much as 2-3 pills a day are needed & it's expensive. This way post Iodine I take one synthroid pill a day & my throid gland is much better controlled. Take care.

Posted by: Vieope

How do they diagnose it ? How do they found out who has it ?

Posted by: Johnnny

Vieope your family doctor should perform a TSH blood test (specifically to test the levels of your thyroid) every year. If you feel the symptoms of hyper thyroid: feeling of being burnt out physicall 24/7, sweating all the time even when not doing anything, losing weight at a fast rate, always tired & having to sleep 10-15hrs a day, extremly heavy eyes, increased appetite & still losing weight, & no energy & very weak, depression, the feeling like any little thing could set you off. These are the most common hyper thyroid symptoms.

Hypo thyroid symptoms that I know of: inability of losing body fat, gaining body fat very easily, depression, fatigue & no energy, weak, the need to sleep frequently. I know there's more but these are the most common symptoms

Both thyroid dysfunctions can share some of the same symptoms. But neither dysfunction is good for anyone. Especially an athelete at any level or even the average Joe trying to strength & build up his or her body or tighten up & lose body fat from his or her body. Only a TSH blood test or a thyroid scan directly can detect the problem. But your doctor has to order it. If anyone here feels any of these symptoms you should ask to get your thyroid gland checked.

Posted by: Vieope

Thanks Johnnny

Posted by: MeatZatk

Yep, I also have a hypothyroid and was told to take synthroid. I feel like I have a little more energy now but other than that not much different. The way I found out was when I told my doctor that I had little to no sex drive and I'm only 23. He ran a couple of blood tests and discovered that I had low testosterone which affected my thyroid or vice-verca. My sex drive hasn't come back up all that much even though my blood tests show more balanced thyroid and testosterone levels. Anyone have advice on how to fix this little problem?

Posted by: Johnnny

MeatZatk sorry to hear about your thyroid problems. I have hypo thyroid because in August I was given a big dose of Iodine which shut my thyroid down as I was suffering from hyper thyroid caused by the ephedrine/ephedra/fat burners containing these herbal form compounds. I'm glad your levels are normal, but you should talk to your doctor about your sex drive & tell him how much problems it's causing you. I don't want to recommend anything as they could have an effect on your thyroid. I was taking Tapazole which helps to bring the thyroid down from really high to the equalibrium level. But it is more expensive & you have to take it more often so that's why they gave me Iodine treatment & now 8 months later I've been on synthroids for almost 4 months.

Also you can have what's called a thyroid scan if they have problems checking your thyroid levels via blood tests.

Posted by: Jodi

I have been both hypo and hyper.

I started as hypo and went on synthroid then it mysteriously jumped to hyper and stayed that way for quite some time. I was also on tapazole. After a year of tapazole my thyroid went back down to normal. I've been fine since and that was a few years ago.

Posted by: Johnnny

Your thyroid I'm sure jumped to hyper thyroid after the synthroid becasue they probably gave you too much synthroid. They had to adjust my synthroid 3 times before it started to stay normal. Same with Tapazole, they had to adjust the medication so many times before it became normal. That's why I had Iodine then synthroid. It's just a matter of getting the right dosage of your medication.

Posted by: Fit Freak

I'm in the process of being tested for Hypothyroidism...blood work tomorrow morning.

The above info is correct in the sense that many of the symptoms between Hyper and Hypothyroidism overlap. It shouldn't be taked lightly.

Another huge issue is that many times it goes undiagnosed by docs since they treat symptoms (such as depression or sleep disorders) versus the underlying problem (overactive or inactive thyroid).

Posted by: Johnnny

I found I had insomnia with when my thyroid was hyper before I knew. I started taking those over the counter sleep aids that contained what gravol does to make you drowsy. 4 weeks later I was on 4 pills a night just to get some sleep.

Yes you are right that there are many similar symptoms between hypo & hyper thyroidism. I've experienced depression with both. In the fall my hyper thyroid became hypo due to the Iodine treatment & I was depressed for a few months this fall.

But fatigue & lack of energy are symptoms of both thyroid dysfunctions.

Posted by: MissOz

One of my PT Clients had.. and still does have Hypothyroidism..she's medicated ..but struggles along sometimes , otherwise she just lives with it..xx

Posted by: Johnnny

MissOz yes having thyroid dysfunctions of either kind puts a huge dent in your training & your physical shape & size as well as fat loss. Mentally it really screws you up as you train hard & diet & you don't grow or you have trouble losing fat depending on what type of thyroid dysfunction the person has.

Posted by: MissOz

Yes I understand Johnnny....but always remain positive my friend and thank the good lord above !! for your overall health and happiness..xx

Posted by: Johnnny

I do as my mother is ill with Lupus in the hospital & has been there for 20yrs. But it's hard to keep positive as thyroid problems can put a huge halt to your improvements physically. I'm just glad things seem to be getting better now after 4yrs of treatment.

Posted by: usntoothfairy

Johnny and to all who have been diagnosed with Hypo, what diet has been prescribed for the condition.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

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Originally posted by Johnnny
MeatZatk sorry to hear about your thyroid problems. I have hypo thyroid because in August I was given a big dose of Iodine which shut my thyroid down as I was suffering from hyper thyroid caused by the ephedrine/ephedra/fat burners containing these herbal form compounds.

So you were Iodine deficient which caused a thyroid problem?

Lemme ask ya something. When you were using these thermos, did you also remove salt from your diet?

Posted by: bandaidwoman

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Originally posted by Dale Mabry
So you were Iodine deficient which caused a thyroid problem?

Lemme ask ya something. When you were using these thermos, did you also remove salt from your diet?

He probably had radioactive iodine ablation of his thyroid.

It's interesting, too little iodine inhibits thyroid production but so can too much. In fact, in a thyrotoxic state, we use Lugol's solution, very concentrated iodine solution, to suppress the thyroid gland completely using the wolff-chaikoff effect.

That's why one of the armeterium against nuclear fallout is too ingest large doses of iodine so as to supress uptake of the nuclear material into your thyroid by shutting it down "temporarily" .

Posted by: Johnnny

Dale Mabry if you can read or knew anything about the thyroid I wasn't Iodine deficient which you claim caused my thyroid problem.

Again Ephedrine/ephedra & fatburners containing these herbal forms of these compounds increases the amount of T3 &T4 production in your body. These 2 hormones are the thyroid hormones. In my case & the case of 2 other users I know their T3 & T4 levels remained high even after they stopped using these supplements. Therefore we developed hyper-thyroid as a direct cause of these supplements.

I was on Tapazole, a medication to help bring down thyroid levels to an equalibrium. But it was expensive & even though it was doing a descent job, the endocrinologist wanted to give me a better treatment that could control your thyroid much better.

Therefore to shut my thyroid hormone production down, they gave me Iodine. Iodine shuts down thyroid production if given enough of a dose. The endocrinologist had to wait almost 6 months before putting me on synthroid (man made thyroid hormone) as I needed it because I had no thyroid treatment after the Iodine therapy. This way the endocrinologist can better treat me & make sure my thyroid stays normal more efficiently & the synthroids are much less expensive.

So hopefully you can read this & understand it. I've clearified everything so it's easier to understand for you.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

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Originally posted by Johnnny
Dale Mabry if you can read or knew anything about the thyroid I wasn't Iodine deficient which you claim caused my thyroid problem.

Again Ephedrine/ephedra & fatburners containing these herbal forms of these compounds increases the amount of T3 &T4 production in your body. These 2 hormones are the thyroid hormones. In my case & the case of 2 other users I know their T3 & T4 levels remained high even after they stopped using these supplements. Therefore we developed hyper-thyroid as a direct cause of these supplements.

I was on Tapazole, a medication to help bring down thyroid levels to an equalibrium. But it was expensive & even though it was doing a descent job, the endocrinologist wanted to give me a better treatment that could control your thyroid much better.

Therefore to shut my thyroid hormone production down, they gave me Iodine. Iodine shuts down thyroid production if given enough of a dose. The endocrinologist had to wait almost 6 months before putting me on synthroid (man made thyroid hormone) as I needed it because I had no thyroid treatment after the Iodine therapy. This way the endocrinologist can better treat me & make sure my thyroid stays normal more efficiently & the synthroids are much less expensive.

So hopefully you can read this & understand it. I've clearified everything so it's easier to understand for you.

I was asking you a question numbnuts, not diagnosing your problem.

I have forgotten more about the thyroid than you will ever learn. I know why your doctor gave you an overdose of Iodine because the negative feedback loop would in your pituitary slowing secretion of TSH which would in turn slow down your T4/T3 production. Having a thyroid condition does not make you an expert on the thyroid.

I also have never seen a study showing a relation between ephedra and T3 or T4. There are some showing Tyrosine and the guggulsterones have an effect on these hormones and these are found in most thermogenic compounds.

Finally, if you are going to insult someone's intelligence in a post, make sure you don't show your own ignorance. It is clarified, not clearified, retard.

You obviously have no idea how to form a solid argument. You should not be giving advice in this section. Again, having a thyroid problem does not make you an expert on the workings of the thyroid.

Finally, the symptoms you list for thyroid problems are symptoms associated with hundreds of maladies, not just thyroid problems.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Hey bandaidwoman, I have a question. What is the likelihood that someone would have his or her thyroid tested every year from age 8 on and not have either a family history of thyroid problems or evidence of a thyroid problem themself?

Posted by: V Player

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Originally posted by Dale Mabry
Finally, if you are going to insult someone's intelligence in a post, make sure you don't show your own ignorance. ..... You obviously have no idea how to form a solid argument. ... You should not be giving advice in this section. .... having a thyroid problem does not make you an expert on the workings of the thyroid.

*shakes off feelings of dejavu*....now where have I seen this before....(?)

Posted by: Johnnny

Did I ever say I was an expert? No, but you seem to think you are an endocrinologist or something. You also think you are an english professor as well. I've seen you make a few spelling mistakes, so who gives a crap. I've been studying the thyroid for almost 4yrs since I found out I had a problem due to the ephedrine/ephedra supplements. & it's obvious you didn't take the time to read why I had Iodine treatment or you would not have posted that reply.

As for the symptoms I listed, those symptoms were directly given to me by my endocrinologist herself instead of someone such as yourself (not even going to bother explaining not worth it).

& as for getting blood tests every annual check up since I was around 8 well I know many ppl who have this done to make sure everything including the thyroid is functioning properly even if they don't have problems. My doctor has been taking several blood tests every year including the TSH test in order to make sure everything was working properly. I'm glad to have a family doctor such as mine.

Lastly since you don't have a thyroid problem & don't seem to have anything intelligent to say, than I'd appreciate it if you don't respond anymore to this thread. This thread was started for ppl who have or have had thyroid dysfunctions. After all look at the title.

Posted by: V Player

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Originally posted by Johnnny
Lastly since you don't have a thyroid problem & don't seem to have anything intelligent to say, than I'd appreciate it if you don't respond anymore to this thread. This thread was started for ppl who have or have had thyroid dysfunctions. After all look at the title.

*translation: if you're not gonna agree with to me, you cant play in my sandbox!

Posted by: Dale Mabry

If you have been researching the thyroid for 4 yrs then you would know that there is probably no relation between your thyroid problem and ephedra. You may have had a pre-existing condition that could have exacerbated it, but you say you have been getting TSH tests or thyroid scans since you were 8. If you indeed were given thyroid scans since you were 8, I would wonder why the Dr. would continually bombard you with radioactive iodine for no apparent reason. Yes, you are correct, this thread is for people with this problem, but you have been told by several trusted members that you are making baseless claims and still continue to make them. You are giving out information that is incorrect. You obviously have no knowledge of or respect for the scientific process, and that is a problem when you are giving out information related to it. You have absolutely no idea what caused your thyroid problem. You can blame ephedra all you want, the fact of the matter is that you have a thyroid problem and you don't know the cause.

Oh, and I don't think I am an English professor, I was simply pointing out that since you were going to insult my intelligence, I will insult yours. You also made sure to point out to Vieope that he forgot the h in thyroid. That is a trend with people who are wrong, when they cannot form a cohesive argument, they just insult the person they are in a debate with. For instance, when questioned why you would have these tests done every year without an existing condition, you pretty much threw a hissy fit and said anyone who responded to the thread in Open Chat was a loser. I read that stuff MetalV was talking about and see where he is coming from. You got chased away from that other board because you continually made stuff up without a leg to stand on and when you couldn't corroborate your story, you made up other usernames to do so, which was traced via IP address.

This was why I thought the general health board was a bad idea, you would have completely unqualified people giving out medical advice.

Posted by: Johnnny

It is a known fact by endocrinologists that ephedrine/ephedra
increase the production of T3 & T4 in english the thyroid hormones plus I found some information that states this about these 2 supplements as well. In some ppl even after they stop usage of these supplements, there thyroid can remain in the hyper thyroid state which is what happened to me & a few other ppl I know who've taken these supplements. So again, since you don't have a thyroid problem, than please stay out of this thread. You are adding nothing but hot air to it. Thank you.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

References please, and it is NOT a fact, there are very few facts my friend. If it were such a fact, I would have no problem finding something on Medline for it. I just looked it up and there was nothing.

The only thing I have ever seen is someone with a pre-existing thyroid problem having it aggravated by a thermogenic, and that is usually from the guggulsterones or tyrosine. That is not to say that there is nothing to be found, but if you are going to say there is something, provide a link to it. You also stated that creatine leads to cancer of the kidneys without providing evidence. This is the only problem I have with you, you make a claim and then fail to support it.

I will consider this discussion complete as I have achieved my goal. I have let people know to take the stuff you say with a grain of salt and that is all I wanted.

Posted by: Johnnny

You aren't looking in the right places.

I never had a "pre-existing" thyroid problem as my annual check ups that included TSH blood tests along with other blood tests would prove that. & yes the ephedrine/ephedra supplements increase thyroid levels. The first thing they asked me when they found the problem for the first time was if I was taking any of these supplements as they knew I worked out & played football. Like I said I trust a thyroid specialist over you & so should the ppl who've responded & will respond to this thread

As for the creatine issue, I never said it causes cancer of the kidneys so don't put words in my mouth. What I said was it can over a long period of time cause kidney problems.

So again, since you don't have a thyroid condition, than stay out of this thread. This thread is for ppl who have or had thyroid conditions only. Read the title.

Posted by: V Player

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Originally posted by Dale Mabry
...you have been told by several trusted members that you are making baseless claims and still continue to make them. You are giving out information that is incorrect. You obviously have no knowledge of or respect for the scientific process, and that is a problem when you are giving out information related to it.

.. That is a trend with people who are wrong, when they cannot form a cohesive argument, they just insult the person they are in a debate with. ..... when questioned why you would have these tests done every year without an existing condition, you pretty much threw a hissy fit and said anyone who responded to the thread in Open Chat was a loser. ..... You got chased away from that other board because you continually made stuff up without a leg to stand on and when you couldn't corroborate your story, you made up other usernames to do so, which was traced via IP address.

WOA......dejavu all over again!!

Posted by: Johnnny

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Posted by: nikegurl

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Originally posted by Dale Mabry
This was why I thought the general health board was a bad idea, you would have completely unqualified people giving out medical advice.

so true. i couldn't agree with you more (and this isn't the only instance)

Posted by: Johnnny

nikegurl so I guess you are agreeing with Dale Mabry? If that's the case than too bad. If you're not than cool.

This thread was started for current & previous thyroid patients to discuss their experiences & symptoms they've experienced, & the treatment their endocrinologists gave them.

I'm not giving medical advice personally. I'm only stating the facts about thyroid dysfunctions that my endocrinologist gave me herself. The symptoms, the causes, & the treatments that ppl are generally given. I don't consider myself an expert on the thyroid, but I have learned quite a bit since I started looking into it since I was diagnosed with it the year I used the ephedrine/ephedra supplements with no prior thyroid condition. That's all, & I want to hear from thyroid patients only on this thread. Thanks.

Posted by: usntoothfairy

Johnny I'm like u wanting to know what the deal is? My better-half is displaying similar symptoms: fatigue, excess hair, weight concerns, irritable these are just a few? Have an appointment with Endo in a few weeks. Would like to know what type of diet did your Endo prescribe if any? Thanx for your listening ear

Posted by: Johnnny

She (endocrinologist) just told me to eat a balanced diet. I asked if my eating 6 meals a day was okay. She said it was okay as long as I didn't just eat protein. A variety of foods like complex carbs, fruits & vegetables & enough water. She said just make sure it's a balanced diet. I was told to stay away from large doses of caffeine especially until things were working better. Coffee & tea with caffeine is the worst for thyroid patients hypo or hyper my endocrinologist told me.

She also said don't drink a lot of soft drinks (I don't anyway) or overdose in chocolate as I didn't know chocolate contains some caffeine. I eat some chocolate maybe twice a month at the most if that.

She also told me about the excess har symptom & I've read about that in thyroid books.

Posted by: BUSTINOUT

Let it go Dale...it ain't worth it homey.

Posted by: Johnnny

BUSTINOUT you obviously aren't a thyroid patient so mind your own business. Because if you were, you would've added something intelligent.

Thyroid patients or ppl who've had thyroid problems in the past only please.

Posted by: V Player

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Originally posted by Johnnny
BUSTINOUT you obviously aren't a thyroid patient so mind your own business. Because if you were, you would've added something intelligent.

Thyroid patients or ppl who've had thyroid problems in the past only please.

*translation: GET OUT OF MY SANDBOX!!

Posted by: daddy

Hey I just read up on you johnny in that other chat forum you got kicked out of............. seems that you had problems over there too, eh and got caught lying? true/false?..........

Posted by: V Player

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Originally posted by daddy
Hey I just read up on you johnny in that other chat forum you got kicked out of............. seems that you had problems over there too, eh and got caught lying? true/false?..........

True. And I can prove it.

FYI folks.....we there also believe that this "daddy" person is another of johnny's personas.

Just like "Ricardo"...."Steve007"...."Stupid"....

Posted by: daddy

daddy here,

no insulting and flaming. I was asking Johnny my buddy, not you. I too have a friend name ricardo so what!

Posted by: V Player

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Originally posted by daddy
daddy here,

no insulting and flaming. I was asking Johnny my buddy, not you. I too have a friend name ricardo so what!

....need I say more?

Posted by: nikegurl

i think we're at the point where it's too ridiculous to care.

(but i'm still bothered by the incompetent unqualified few who enjoy giving out health related info here)

Posted by: Dale Mabry

While I also am sick of unqualified people giving out health advice, I think it is funny that he invents other names. How are you doing today, NG?

Posted by: V Player

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Originally posted bynikegurli think we're at the point where it's too ridiculous to care.

True. Very true. Just like it did "over there". I only care because of the damage he did to new people that came in and browsed, didnt realize what he was, and took him seriously. Sorry.

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Originally posted by Dale Mabry
... I think it is funny that he invents other names.

Yup....and I bet you will never see johnny logged on at the same time as daddy, Ricardo, or Steve007. But who knows, he may invent others. They will all be newbs, and they will all be supportive and or sympathetic of him.

Posted by: Crono1000

ok i don't know where this thread went but whatever, just give the guy a break. If you don't like him, if he's annoying, if he's making fake identities and posting as them, don't come to the threads that say threadstarter Johnnny. I've yet to see him post in a thread he didn't create so, children, if he stays on his side of the backseat you stay on yours.

anyway, I've also been taking synthroid and I've also had both hypo and hyper, one probably led to the other due to a bacteria that infected my thyroid gland at some point. I've never liked my doctor's interpretation of it and after taking the treatment I still never felt better. I first came in with heart palpitations being able to feel my heart beat loudly at all times, no matter what the activity was. After the synthroid my heart is usually under control but I still suffer from the other symptoms. Every checkup on my THS level (I get another on Monday) they just keep giving me the same dosage and saying I'll be fine. Bleh, I guess a doctor knows best, but he hardly acknowledges my complaints.

Posted by: nikegurl

oh Metal - I didn't mean the comment towards you. (don't say sorry - makes me feel bad

)

i just meant all the posts and the arguing without making any substantiated points along with the multiple names can give a person a headache.

i'm good Dale. by the way - you're smart.

Posted by: usntoothfairy

Hey Crono1000, my other half just got put on Synthroid is that a lifelong drug consumption? Also what's your diet like?
Thanx for shedding your views in advance

Posted by: Johnnny

Like I said when I first came here I'm here to give my training/diet knowledge. & not here to get involved in the type of crap that went on in that sh!t forum. This one is way better. More mature ppl except for a couple who've responded (not you Daddy).

I always tell the truth. I have a life unlike some of the other ppl in that forum who spend their time isnulting ppl on an internet chat forum. How sad is that?

I don't need to lie about have good friends or a descent woman or a fairly descent job as I already have all of these things. Do you honestly think I would waste my time running around all over the city computer to computer making up fake identities or accounts? No as I have much more important things to do. Sorry to say but I have friends who were curious about the BS that that went on in that forum that I told them about. I also have friends & a woman who have my back, which is why they came to the forum.

All I did over there was give my knowledge & about training/diet & opinions on other subjects, but there were several ppl over there who had a severe case of ID. So again I'd appreciate ppl who've experienced thyroid problems or have dysfunctions to respond to this thread only as the few replies above are just hot air.

Posted by: BigKid1212

johnny your an idiot go back to the other board you reject

Posted by: Johnnny

BigKid1212 You certainly are acting your 17yr old age here. I think you need to change your name at this point.

Posted by: V Player

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Originally posted by Crono1000
If you don't like him, if he's annoying, if he's making fake identities and posting as them, don't come to the threads that say threadstarter Johnnny. I've yet to see him post in a thread he didn't create so, children, if he stays on his side of the backseat you stay on yours.

Oh I feel ya there Crono. Yes I agree. Honestly, though, I visit all threads, even his threads, because somebody always has something to say that I can learn from. I read a lot, I just dont post much. The reason I stand up against this fellow here is not because I want to give him a hard time - because if I did I'd be ALL over the place - or because you guys need my protection, its just that with our experience with him over there, we've come to the conclusion that he is in all likelyhood not past 16. So basicaly most people will be arguing or talking seriously with a minor. *shrug* I dunno....people here are grown ups, yes, and they will see it soon enough, but when someone knows something others dont, its kind of hard to keep shut. So if I bothered you or upset you, Crono, I honestly apologize.

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Originally posted by nikegurl oh Metal - I didn't mean the comment towards you. (don't say sorry - makes me feel bad )

No, no, my lady...*bows*...dont feel bad. That apology was in general.

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Originally posted by nikegurl i just meant all the posts and the arguing without making any substantiated points along with the multiple names can give a person a headache.

Oh yes, I do indeed understand that. We had to put up with that for a looooong time at "the other place" before the site admin had enough and booted him out. He was given a lot of chances, the site admin even went and made a thread asking johnny to specificaly stop mentioning his "buddy" Ricardo's name each and everytime he posted. Like I said to Crono, just hard to keep shut when you know something. Thanks for being cool.

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Originally posted by johnnny Like I said when I first came here I'm here to give my training/diet knowledge. & not here to get involved in the type of crap that went on in that sh!t forum.

....then why is getting involved in said crap here too?

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Originally posted by johnnny I always tell the truth.

No he doesnt, and I can prove it.

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Originally posted by johnnny I have a life unlike some of the other ppl in that forum who spend their time isnulting ppl on an internet chat forum.

Ok. Contradiction right there, cause thats exactly what he's doing here. Am I right?

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Originally posted by johnnny Do you honestly think I would waste my time running around all over the city computer to computer making up fake identities or accounts?

This is actually true, since the other IP addresses came from the same source - his.

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Originally posted by johnnny All I did over there was give my knowledge & about training/diet & opinions on other subjects, but there were several ppl over there who had a severe case of ID.

Also true. PARTIALLY. So add: starting hissy fits when someone didnt agree about his opinions, advise, and "knowledge"; being directly abusive in posts; sending abusive PMs to those that didnt agree; starting false accounts..... oh hell, you get the picture.

Posted by: Johnnny

Again I don't wast time running over the city making up fake accounts.

The only account that was the same as my IP address was Ricardo & I already explained that he had an old computer that finally broke down but he just bought a Dell Pentium 4.

My buddy Steve007's IP address was completely different. Why, because it was at a different location set up by my buddy Steve.

Metal V Player you can't prove f&ck all about me. I always tell the truth. It was all BS, the immature ppl over there didn't want to believe sh!t so they made up lies because that's how immature they are & I'm beginning to see you Metal V Player are just as bad as them.

I always tell the truth, I have a life & better things to do with it than run around the city making up fake accounts to a sh!t chat forum.

Posted by: V Player

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Originally posted by Johnnny
Again I don't wast time running over the city making up fake accounts.

....never said he did.

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Originally posted by Johnnny The only account that was the same as my IP address was Ricardo & I already explained that he had an old computer that finally broke down but he just bought a Dell Pentium 4.

Yup. Thats why he has himself talking about Ricardo AS JOHHNY under the "Ricardo" name. He forgot to log out of Ricardo, LMMFAO!!!! I got that link if anyone wants to see it.

Quote:

Originally posted by Johnnny Metal V Player you can't prove f&ck all about me.

I stated that I could in writing.

Posted by: Johnnny

That was Ricardo's mistake & it only happened once as he has never been on a chat forum before & 2 window's were open at the same time. I had to explain to him that he was still logged on in my name.

So blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

to your immatured self. So again since you're not a thyroid patient, than stay the f^ck out of this thread please. You are just wasting space with your imature non sense. You are very annoying & I never lied about anything that happened. It's just sorry ppl like yourself over there have nothing better to do with their spare time than to stir up trouble. Pretty sad.

& I will say it again, I have more important things to do than run around the city from computer to computer making up fake accounts or identities on a sh!t forum like that one. I unlike some ppl over there have friends & spend my time on more productive or social things.

So either add thyroid information to this thread Metal V Player, or stay the f^ck out! Thank you.

Posted by: V Player

Quote:

[i]Originally posted by Johnnny [/iSo blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
to your immatured self.

Is that a fact??

Posted by: Johnnny

Why yes it is. So stop responding to this "THYROID" thread & stay the f*ck out please.

Posted by: V Player

Oh Jesus, LOL!

Posted by: Johnnny

Metal V Player since you aren't a thyroid patient than stay the f^ck out please.

Now getting back on track before this very immature person got this whole thread off topic, what type's of treatments has any of your endocrinologists given the thyroid patients that have responded?

Posted by: V Player

Quote:

Originally posted by Johnnny
So blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

to your immatured self.

This is what HE wrote and he's calling ME immature? Am I missing something?

Posted by: Johnnny

Yes you are. In my opinion a few screws & bolts. You are very immature. You need to learn how to read. Metal V Player. You are not a thyroid patient so stay the f^ck out of this thyroid patient thread since you aren't one please thank you.

So back on track to the thyroid patients here what type of symptoms have you had, how was your condition diagnosed, & what type of treatment did your endocrinologist give you?

Posted by: V Player

So, what, is that a threat??? No im not starting anything, I just want to know if that is a threat.

Posted by: Johnnny

Metal V Player did I say anything threatening? No learn to read. All I said was since you aren't a thyroid patient or don't have thyroid problems than stay the f^ck out of this thread, you are just wasting space with your immature annoying BS. You are ruining this thread which was supposed to be for thyroid patients to discuss their experiences, treatments & what type of effects it has had on their lives & physique/training.

So back on track to the thyroid patients here what type of symptoms have you had, how was your condition diagnosed, & what type of treatment did your endocrinologist give you?

Posted by: V Player

P*ss on this. You have no right to tell anyone that, not even in "your" thread. But I will concede that the people here are sick and tired of reading our dirty laundry. I for one am tired of it too because you dont threaten me for a second buddy, but I damn sure dont want to wear out my welcome with these folks. No, Im not yelling, cause I actually do like you johnny, we all do over at the other forum, I just find it sad that these people seem to take you seriously. Yes, I said it - I like you. I just wish you'd stop being so pugnacious and stop to admit once in a while that you could be wrong!

Dude what is your problem? Seriously? None of us back there hated you! We just got to where we could no longer endure your abusiveness and flaring up when faced with the truth! Dammit you say you're here to learn and you never once give any indication that you do! Everyone who disagrees with you is a jerk or stupid or whatever you want to call them. Admit you're wrong once in a while for christs sake! Look at what you're doing - you're wearing out these people here too! And they actually started liking you! Johnny you're alright but g*dammit just ...... oh for the love of god, never mind. *sigh*

Posted by: Johnnny

Metal V Player dude ppl like you are my problem. All you & a few other ppl over there was give me garbage when most ppl over there responded maturely with a proper response. But ppl like you make up lies & rumors about me & cause trouble as I always tell the truth & don't waste my time making up fake accounts which is why I came here because I was kicked out of that crap forum for BS reasons & 2nd I was tired of the garbage from ppl like you. All I ever did over there was give my advice & I took a lot of garbage. Mainly because I offered constructive critisism to ppl's training/eating methods but they couldn't except when they're wrong so they get mad. I have the same experiences with ppl I know when I try to correct their form.

You say admit to being wrong for once in a while? Wrong for what? I'm not wrong about anything. I've said it before & I'll say it again I wouldn't waste my time running all over the city from computer to computer making up fake accounts as I have a life that involvles more important things like work, girlfriend, the gym & friends to spend time with. I don't care what you or anyone else in that other crap forum think of me or my friends. Some of the ppl over there need some as they spend too much of their time insulting ppl on an internet chat forum as they have nothing better to do. To me that's pretty sad. As for Ricardo he's a very close friend who's not much into computers & comes to my house for computer advice & decided to join the forum. The guy was using an 10yr old computer with Windows 95 & it finally was no good & unuseable so he uses mine sometimes but now has a Dell Pentium 4 as he needs it for his personal training career as he's constantly learning more.

I'm not wearing anyone out here, if anyone's wearing anyone out here it's you with your garbage about that other crap forum & your lies about me despite what sh!t is on that crap forum & your BS in this thread. It is clear you just came to this forum to cause trouble with me which is really immature & sad as it shows you have nothing better to do with your time. So if you aren't going to add anything thyroid related to this thread than stay the f^ck out please. Thank you.

You have pratically ruined this thread. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop replying to this thread which is meant for thyroid patients.
I'm done here for tonight as off to bed with the lady.
Metal V Player you will know what you are if you respond to this thread. Just be mature & end your immaturity here & let the thyroid patients return to this thread.

So back on track to the thyroid patients here what type of symptoms have you had, how was your condition diagnosed, & what type of treatment did your endocrinologist give you?

Posted by: V Player

Ok. Im reporting everything here to the moderators right now. Yes, even what Ive said. You have no right to try and impose your will to anyone with that language. If I get disciplined as well, so be it. But at least I will be man enough to take it. Yes johnny, I guess I know what this "makes me".

Posted by: Johnnny

Whatever dude

Posted by: Johnnny

Nobody cares about the garbage you've been writing about that other crap forum. I think it's sad & a waste of time that you spend your time on such petty things.

You've already been told not to talk about the other forum so why don't you listen?

It's annoying already.

Posted by: Timmy301

I had blood drawn on Wed. Just found out today about the thyroid. They put me on 25mcg of Levothroid for hypothyroidism.
I was curious if any of you have expreienced hair loss and have regained some due to the medication?

Thanks ,Tim

Posted by: Johnnny

Sorry to hear that Timmy301. I started a fresh thyroid discussion thread as this one has been soiled so if you have any more news you should post in there.

They didn't tell you to take synthroid? That's the common treatment for hypothroidism. I haven't heard of Levothroid thought but just ask your doctor about synthroid & see what he says. I haven't experienced hair loss, but that can happen. If it keeps happening, ask your doctor if it will be permanent or if you need a hair treatment. Good luck & I hope everything gets sorted out.

Posted by: Timmy301

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/thyroiddrugs/a/levoxyl.htm

Here is some info.....
Levothroid is just generic for Synthroid

Posted by: bandaidwoman

Quote:

Originally posted by Timmy301
I had blood drawn on Wed. Just found out today about the thyroid. They put me on 25mcg of Levothroid for hypothyroidism.
I was curious if any of you have expreienced hair loss and have regained some due to the medication?

Thanks ,Tim

You probably will regain your hair once your thyroid levels are normal. The hair loss you experience is due to the state of hypothyroidism that existed two months before the start of your hair loss (this has to do with the life cycle of the hair shaft etc.) Thus, some people actually lose hair during thyroid replacement but it is not due to the replacement as much as the low thyroid state the hair follicles were exposed to two months prior. Most of the hair loss due to low thyroid usually reverses unless you were genetically inclined for hair loss anyway and the low thyroid state accellerated it.

Posted by: Sandra

I remember when my mom passed away..she had very little hair left....complications from diabetes....Im very concerned about my thyroid....just cant seem to get my doctor to do the right test i guess. she is more concerned about my diabetes...which is a good thing....but if it runs in my family I'd like for her to be alittle more concerned about that too.....

Posted by: Johnnny

Sandra you need to ask the doctor to perform a TSH BLOOD TEST. This is specifically to check thyroid levels. There is also a thyroid scan that your nuclear Medicine department normally performs. They line up a tube like shaft directly to your throat hooked up to a computer which reads your thyroid levels.

Either of these 2 tests will be efficient although the scan is much more accurate than the already accurate TSH test. If your doctor denies you this test, you have every right to request to get this TSH blood test performed. If he doesn't, you can always go to a walk in clinic & tell the doctor your worries & they will usually do whatever you request.

Normally the TSH blood test is performed before the thyroid scan. I hope your diabetes is okay, but I would insist on the TSH test.

Posted by: Sandra

Quote:

Originally posted by Johnnny
Sandra you need to ask the doctor to perform a TSH BLOOD TEST. This is specifically to check thyroid levels. There is also a thyroid scan that your nuclear Medicine department normally performs. They line up a tube like shaft directly to your throat hooked up to a computer which reads your thyroid levels.

Either of these 2 tests will be efficient although the scan is much more accurate than the already accurate TSH test. If your doctor denies you this test, you have every right to request to get this TSH blood test performed. If he doesn't, you can always go to a walk in clinic & tell the doctor your worries & they will usually do whatever you request.

Normally the TSH blood test is performed before the thyroid scan. I hope your diabetes is okay, but I would insist on the TSH test.

I have had the TSH blood test done...and according to my doctor its ok but she didnt really say much else and getting a hold of her is next to impossible....just moved so I am going to search for a new doctor close to home. Thanks for the advise....diabetes has been a struggle but thats cause im a carb junkie.....making a few changes so I am hopeful. Thanks again.

Posted by: Johnnny

Sandra I hope your diabetes works out. Is your diabetes caused by your carb cravings? Or does your carb cravings just make it worse?

Don't give up on your thyroid health. Since you have family history you could be at risk although no one in my family had it.

Other things can cause someone's thyroid to go out of whack. Such as stress & in my case the ephedrine/ephedra supplements as I had no prior thyroid problem before the use of these supplements.

Posted by: Sandra

Quote:

Originally posted by Johnnny
Sandra I hope your diabetes works out. Is your diabetes caused by your carb cravings? Or does your carb cravings just make it worse?

Don't give up on your thyroid health. Since you have family history you could be at risk although no one in my family had it.

Other things can cause someone's thyroid to go out of whack. Such as stress & in my case the ephedrine/ephedra supplements as I had no prior thyroid problem before the use of these supplements.

Carb junkie all the way...sucks.

Posted by: Johnnny

Sandra you can still eat certain carbs just as long as they're complex carbs but you probably already know this. If you keep these types of carbs to a certain amount a day, you won't get fat from them your body will use them for energy & to help the protein you eat build muscle. & the more lean muscle mass you have on your body, the more fat you will burn if your thyroid is functioning normally that is.

Posted by: Sandra

Made the mistake of drinking some gatorade today....either have a bad stomach flu or some kind of food poisoning.....been sick all day at work and i had to pull over a few times on my drive home from work...blood sugar is fricken high as hell...

I didnt really feel like jogging tonight but i guess i have to try to bring it down....its been working great...i check my sugar before i head out....then when i get back. Not running any marathons any time soon...hehe

Posted by: Johnnny

Sandra are you on insulin treatment? If not it might be of help.

Posted by: Sandra

I am on glucophage and metformin. Type 2

Posted by: Johnnny

Sandra just be sure your doctor is taking care of you. I've known ppl who's health has been screwed up b/c of their doctor.

How come you aren't on Insulin just out of curiosity?

Do you find the glucophage & metformin Type 2 are doing a good job for you?

But just make sure your thyroid is functioning properly, & if it is than you don't have to worry about a thyroid problem. Take care.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Quote:

Originally posted by Sandra
I have had the TSH blood test done...and according to my doctor its ok but she didnt really say much else and getting a hold of her is next to impossible....just moved so I am going to search for a new doctor close to home. Thanks for the advise....diabetes has been a struggle but thats cause im a carb junkie.....making a few changes so I am hopeful. Thanks again.

Have a thyroid panel done, TSH is an ineffective test.

When did your diabetes develop?

Posted by: Johnnny

Dale Mabry no a TSH test is effective. That is how the doctor found my hyper thyroid problem caused by the ephedrine/ephedra supplements with no prior thyroid conditions.

But another good way to see your thyroid function is a thyroid scan done by your neuclear Medicine department. It is a machine that has a shaft like tube that they line up against your throat & it is hooked up to a computer/monitor & closely shows your thyroid function.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

I guess my wording was a little off. It is not as effective as other tests. It can diagnose some things, but others it will not. Here are a couple of sites.

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/drdavidderry/a/tshtests.htm

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/david-derry.htm

A full panel is much better and can diagnose Cushing's syndrome which cannot be found with a TSH test.

Posted by: Sandra

Quote:

Originally posted by Dale Mabry
Have a thyroid panel done, TSH is an ineffective test.

When did your diabetes develop?

Ill be 30 in a few more weeks and I've had my diabetes since i was 26. Went in for a spider bite and they found out I had diabetes....grrrrr!

Posted by: Johnnny

Yeah but ppl who are just looking to test their thyroid function a TSH test is very effective in finding a thyroid dysfunction.

Usually a family doctor will perform a TSH test annually & if something is wrong he will in most cases send the patient to an endocrinologist who will look further into the problem with more indepth scans & tests & look for the best treatment possible.

Posted by: Sandra

Quote:

Originally posted by Dale Mabry
I guess my wording was a little off. It is not as effective as other tests. It can diagnose some things, but others it will not. Here are a couple of sites.

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/drdavidderry/a/tshtests.htm

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/david-derry.htm

A full panel is much better and can diagnose Cushing's syndrome which cannot be found with a TSH test.

I had a test done around the time i was diagnosed with diabetes for Cushing's. What exactly is that? The doctor that ran that test was my dad's primary physician and we seemed to talk more about my dad's health than mine.

Posted by: Sandra

the hair loss...is that a result of the thyroid it self or of the medication? My mom suffered many years with hair loss. She passed in 2001 from cirrosis of the liver. She never drank I can only guess it was from all her medications that she took for as long as i can remember. My dad passes 2003 from renal and heart failure. He had serveral amputions.

Posted by: Johnnny

Sandra just read your reply. Sorry to hear about your discovery, but at least they found it. It could be worse if they hadn't caught.

What happened with the spider bite? No offense to your diabetes but did you turn into Spider Woman? Just kidding, I've have never been bitten by a spider but have been by a black fly. Not the most enjoyable things to experience.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Cushing's is where you have a problem converting T4 into T3. Since T3 is the more active hormone, this poses a problem. Hair loss is generally due to either having too much T3 or too little. If you are medicated and in the proper range, the hair loss should stop. I think in your mom's case there was probably multiple contributing factors that led to the hair loss, not just thyroid issues.

Posted by: Sandra

haha! no not spider women....atleast not when its not a full moon

It was horrible. Blackwidow where a blackwidow shouldnt have been! she was a lesbian spider....sad but true. Thing is this time around...yes i have been bitten by a bitchy spider before....they only gave me morphine.....did nothing for the pain...muscle spasms it was horrible. 1st time i was about 8yrs old i think....dont remember much about it other than i didnt go to school for a while.

Posted by: Sandra

oh and im really really really really scared of spiders....i mean all you have to do is say spider near me and i run!!!

Posted by: Johnnny

I'm on T4 also know as synthroids now.

But many bodybuilders use T3 in their cutting phases. I've spoken to & have read about bodybuilders having permanent thyroid damage from doing this.

Posted by: Sandra

Quote:

Originally posted by Dale Mabry
Cushing's is where you have a problem converting T4 into T3. Since T3 is the more active hormone, this poses a problem. Hair loss is generally due to either having too much T3 or too little. If you are medicated and in the proper range, the hair loss should stop. I think in your mom's case there was probably multiple contributing factors that led to the hair loss, not just thyroid issues.

For a couple of years now my hair has gotten thin....I used to have long thick hair...part might be from one too many perms...seems like i need to schedule a follow up and talk more to my doctor about these things...thanks!

Posted by: Sandra

Quote:

Originally posted by Johnnny
I'm on T4 also know as synthroids now.

But many bodybuilders use T3 in their cutting phases. I've spoken to & have read about bodybuilders having permanent thyroid damage from doing this.

Does it make you sweat much?

Posted by: Johnnny

Dayamn a black widow spider? That's hardcore. From my black fly bite I only had a boil like pimple & skin irritations. But muscle spasms? How did they get rid of the poison if you had any?

Posted by: Johnnny

Normally you are given synthroid (man made thyroid hormone) if your thyroid is low as in my case. My throid was shut down by the Iodine treatment which was given to bring my hyper throid down. & they then replaced my thyroid hormone with synthroids.

So in this case you shouldn't be sweating any more than normal. But for someone who's thyroid is functioning at an equalibrium you will over sweat. I was constantly sweating when my thyroid was hyper so I assume it would be the same for someone who takes the hormone for a cutting phase.

Posted by: Sandra

I never thought to ask how they got it out. I am not sure if they used antivenom but i thought i heard somewhere that you can only recieve it once in your life. guess i shoulda asked huh? I am almost certain that they attempt to drain the bite....I caught it pretty fast and was in the hospital with in 15 mins or so, i lived like right across the street from the hospital thank God for that!

Posted by: Johnnny

Good to hear Sandra. When I was around 7yrs old I always thought I'd turn into spiderman if I was ever bitten by a spider. What can I say I was just a kid like most kids that age.

Posted by: Sandra

I wanted to be rainbow brite when i was little...haha!

Posted by: Johnnny

How cute & innocent.

Posted by: Sandra

Quote:

Originally posted by Johnnny
How cute & innocent.

ewwwwwwww!

Posted by: Johnnny

I'm just playn' with ya.

Posted by: Sandra

Quote:

Originally posted by Johnnny
Dayamn a black widow spider? That's hardcore. From my black fly bite I only had a boil like pimple & skin irritations. But muscle spasms? How did they get rid of the poison if you had any?

I didnt know black flies bit. Or am I thinking of a regular house fly?

Posted by: Johnnny

Sandra the black flies are much larger than the regular house fly.
& of course much darker hence the name "Black Fly".

But yeah they do bite & it takes awhile to go away. For me almost a week. I once got one on the back of my neck, at first I thought it was a really bad pimple but the doctor said it looked like a black fly bite. He gave me some anti-inflamation/skin irritation cream & it went away much faster.

They aren't dangerous apparently. But summer is almost here & we will have to worry about the West Nile Virus once again using bug repellant with Deet" which protects you from the WNV.

Posted by: Sandra

I will never look at flies the same again.....

Posted by: Johnnny

Sandra just watch where you are & those black flies won't bother you.

Do you have the West Nile Virus from mosquitoes where you are?

Posted by: PreMier

Deet in bug repellent does not protect you from the WNV. It is a more effective repellent to insects, but if a mosquito bites you, and its infected, you will get it.

Posted by: Sandra

I am not sure if we have WNV here....I am in california. Mosquitos rarely bite me...

Posted by: Johnnny

I know that. Bug spray with Deet only better protects you from Mosquitos with WNV not prevent it.

It's better than regular bug spray with no deet. But if you happen to get it, you have to be treated right away.

Posted by: PreMier

Deet is also dangerous... if inhaled(which is easy with sprays) it can cause serious problems. It also shouldnt be used on the skin often. I used to use it on my pant legs to keep from getting ticks.

Posted by: Johnnny

Than what other bug sprays are better to protect yourself from
Mosquitos carrying WNV?

A couple of times only a very little ammount did a bit of the bug spray go into my mouth, & the sh!t tasted damn horrible & strong.

Posted by: PreMier

Yea, I have tasted it too, and its gross. You dotn need to protect yourself from mosquitos with WNZ per se.. just mosquitos in general. I dont get bitten at all, even without spray. But I would use maybe Off! or Cutters. I dunno..

Posted by: Johnnny

I heard about something called better bio or something with the title bio.

I think it's time to start a WNV thread.

Posted by: greekblondechic

I thought this was a thyroid thread.. for discussing thyroid stuff only

Posted by: Johnnny

Yeah that's what it was for, but somehow the West Nile Virus came to be a topic so I started it's own thread so that we could go back to thyroid discussions only.

I also started a fresh thyroid thread, but ppl are still responding to this one.

Posted by: Sandra

Welp,.....
Sent notice to my dr for another TSH test and also to check for Cushing's. Also dawned on me that I havent had my diabetic check up so Im all scheduled in now....wooohoooo! Ill post stats when i get my results....should be interesting.

Posted by: Johnnny

Sandra did you mention a thyroid scan to your doctor?

I have a friend who also developed hyper thyroid from using ephedrine/ephedra supplements with no prior thyroid condition or in the family history such as myself.

My friends doctor performed a TSH test which showed his thyroid to be high. He sent him to an endocrinologist who then performed a thyroid scan which read the thyroid to better determine the treatment.

Posted by: Sandra

No but I will when I call her back...i forgot i wanted to do a cholesteral test as well.

Posted by: Johnnny

Just keep yourself healthy.

Posted by: Sandra

Got my test results back...TSH 2.1 uIU/mL. Gonna meet with my dr on the 1st to discuss the results. HDL came back low though...36mg/dL and ALT high at 38U/L. I think she will be pleased with my HGBA1C..its 5.4%. I dropped it down from 7% woohooo.

Posted by: Johnnny

Sandra so you don't know if your thyroid is too low or too high?
That will determine your treatment, if there's a problem of course.
I hope everything turns out okay for you.

Posted by: Sandra

Unfortunatly at this point i dont know because I dont have my prior test results with me. I knew i should have saved them....I have an appointment to see my dr on the 1st so we shall see what she says....

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Did they do TRH stimulation?

If not then you are right in the middle of the reference range.

Posted by: Johnnny

Sandra I hate waiting to see doctors especially if something's wrong. To me, the time you're waiting to see the doctor, you could've already started treatment & correcting the problem.

But I hope everything works out. I'm having what's now a monthly TSH test tomorrow. They slightly lowered my synthroid dosage from .10mg a day down to .88mg a day.

Posted by: Sandra

Quote:

Originally posted by Dale Mabry
Did they do TRH stimulation?

If not then you are right in the middle of the reference range.

TRH stimulation is that done by a specialist? I dont think i had that done...was just a simple lab test. What kind of info can you give me...I meet with my primary care dr on the 1st and ive got questions i want to ask her. she is more of a diabetic specialist but ill get her to refer me to other specialist if need be.

Posted by: Sandra

Quote:

Originally posted by Johnnny
Sandra I hate waiting to see doctors especially if something's wrong. To me, the time you're waiting to see the doctor, you could've already started treatment & correcting the problem.

But I hope everything works out. I'm having what's now a monthly TSH test tomorrow. They slightly lowered my synthroid dosage from .10mg a day down to .88mg a day.

yeah i understand what you mean...wasting...but i dont want to self medicate if i dont know a damn about what im doing either....guess ill start reading up more on it.

Posted by: bandaidwoman

Regarding the TRH test..... historically, the TRH test was important in defining subtle degrees of hypo- and hyperthyroidism. Now that we have the high sensitivity TSH measurements and redefined robust assays for FT3 and FT4 the role of the TRH test is limited and rarely used these days. If your TSH is less than 3 and the Free T4,T3 etc. are at an adequate range, you won't need the TRH test.

By the way Sandra, I am most impressed by your HgA1C!

Posted by: Johnnny

Sandra I never meant to self medicate by saying you could've started the treament already if there was a problem.

What I meant was, I should've been clearer that these stupid doctors make you wait around anywhere from 2-4 weeks to get a bloody appointment. If there's a problem, the secretary should've given you an appointment right away to see the doctor so he or she can start proper treatment instead of wasting time & letting the condition possibly get worse over the 2 or 4 weeks that you have to weight.

But yeah a simple blood test is enough for the most part. If there is a real problem & it is hard for them to determine the levels of your thyroid exactly, then the doctor will either send you to an endocrinologist or simply request a thyroid scan done by neuclear medicine. The scan is very accurate as it's lined directly over your thyroid gland & is hooked up to a computer that shows your thyroid gland & then they can determine your exact levels.

bandaidwoman you are right about the TRH test not being used as much & the TSH test being superior.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Oops, I should have been more clear, I wasn't recommending getting that done, I was wondering if they did it.

Well, you are in the normal reference range which is good. I s'pose an argument could be made that possibly you had a significantly different result before that was still in the normal reference range and you are just sensitive to changes.

Did they not test T3 and T4? IMO, the TSH test is of little value, it would be like answering the question how many bridges are in Florida by figuring out how many people have bought bridge supplies. Pretty worthless when you can just count the bridges, IMO.

Posted by: nopity

Hey, whats up people. Well, I do have a Thyriod problem(Hyper). Had since 2000, and it WAS HELL. Lost 60 LBS. in 4 weeks, shaking, terrible leg cramps, sweating ( had to sleep with window open in the winter),very irritable, family still can't eat chips and crunchy food around me, even the smell of bubble gum pisses me off.

I have been trying to get a work-out routine going, but STILL find it hard to get it done. It usually last about 4 days, and BAM, I get hit with the lazy bug. Was self medicating with the wacky, ALOT. I don't really know anything about the problem, except it SUCKS. I'm a mental bomb, I can't stand people, events, bare feet, hard soled shoes, secondary noise ( like the asses down stairs that can't hear their T.V.). I'm on .1mg now, but gaining alot of weight. You see, when I didn't take the meds, because it messed up my ability to pitch( slo-pitch softball), I maintained 210 lbs. for two years. My levels were 121, now they put me on the synthroid and i have a .12 count and feel like crap. My weight went up to 231 lbs. THIS MONTH. I now can't pitch, smoke more of both, lift two days a week, sometimes. I'm also on Zoloft.

My doc says everything is right, but I dont think so. I really want to start my lifting, because I want to look good, but this med. is screwing me up. I really want to quit the crap, because I feel better with-out it, like a cycle would be cool. I think I might be changing to Hypo, again. UP_DOWN_UP_DOWN_UP_DOWN for the last 4 years. I HATE THIS STUFF VERY MUCH

What to do

Thanks for the vent

Posted by: Johnnny

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Hey, whats up people. Well, I do have a Thyriod problem(Hyper). Had since 2000, and it WAS HELL. Lost 60 LBS. in 4 weeks, shaking, terrible leg cramps, sweating ( had to sleep with window open in the winter),very irritable, family still can't eat chips and crunchy food around me, even the smell of bubble gum pisses me off.

What to do

Thanks for the vent

Are you new here? Cause this thread has been around for more than a month. Anyway if you are new that's cool.

All the symptoms you listed at the start of your reply, I experienced. But damn, 60lbs in 4 weeks? That's alot, I did lose 30lbs in 3.5 week. I was around 225lbs with good muscle, descent condition & strength & went right down to around 200lbs but I had no strenght or anything. I'm 210lbs now with much better muscle development, strength & condition when we 1st discovered the problem in 2000 same as you.

I had to have AC in my car & at home as I would get horrible hot flashes & I eventually developed insomia & started taking over the counter sleep aids & was at a point of taking 4 or 5 at once just to sleep 7 or 8hrs plus another 5hrs during the day. I had muscle spasms & constantly sweating.

My doctor said Zoloft wasn't the best thing for ppl with thyroid dysfunction as you can gain even more body fat & it might cause some depression. I was on zoloft for anxiety which was probably somewhat caused by my at the time unkown hyper thyroid. I'm off Zoloft permanently & feel much better.

How come you can only lift twice a week? Did your doctor tell you this? Or do you just feel that way?

I had Iodine treatment with a big dose last August to shut my thyroid down. It took 6 months before I needed synthroid. I've been on them since January & they had to increase the dose 3 times now & right now this week had to lower my synthroid from .88mg to .75mg a day.

Hope everything gets better, take care.

Posted by: Minotaur

Yes, I am hypothyroid. I am on Armour Thyroid. Everything seems fine now, though I went through hell over the past few years until I found an endo who knows what she's doing. I also have a testosterone and growth hormone deficiency, for which I take replacements. I have hypopituitarism, which means the pituitary doesn't do its job.

Posted by: Johnnny

Minotaur

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Yes, I am hypothyroid. I am on Armour Thyroid. Everything seems fine now, though I went through hell over the past few years until I found an endo who knows what she's doing. I also have a testosterone and growth hormone deficiency, for which I take replacements. I have hypopituitarism, which means the pituitary doesn't do its job.

You're not on synthroids? That's typically given to hypo thyroid patients. I'm only on it b/c I had iodine treatment last fall which shut down my thyroid so I basically became hypothyroid & then after 6 months went on synthroids.

But yeah you can go through hell with thyroid dysfunction.

How did you find out about your testosterone & growth hormone levels? For awhile that's what I thought the problem was until they found my hyper thyroid problem.

I mentioned the idea of low testosterone to my doctor & he didn't think it was the case as I was a healthy young male.

What are the symptons of testosterone/growth hormone level deficiency?

I can guess one them being obvious.

Posted by: hardasnails1973

just hear insurance copies are not going to cover GH any more? is this true? I just started armour too at 30 mgs and dr will up it weekly according to how i feel. He is best dr I have been too..

Posted by: Minotaur

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Minotaur
You're not on synthroids? That's typically given to hypo thyroid patients.

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How did you find out about your testosterone & growth hormone levels? For awhile that's what I thought the problem was until they found my hyper thyroid problem.

I mentioned the idea of low testosterone to my doctor & he didn't think it was the case as I was a healthy young male.

What are the symptons of testosterone/growth hormone level deficiency?

I can guess one them being obvious.

Synthroid, like Levoxyl, Unithroid and some others are synthetic T4. Armour is a natural T4 and T3 combination. It's just another type of thyroid hormone replacement. I'm doing better on it than I was on synthetics.

When I wasn't feeling any better even showing good thyroid blood tests, my endo ran some other tests which pointed to pituitary failure. My pituitary is not producing the hormone (LH) to stimulate the testes to produce testosterone. The same sort of logic applies to finding a GH deficiency.

Deficiencies in any of these hormones mimic each other (tiredness, mood swings, no sex drive, gaining fat, and so on... the list is endless). When you're treated for one, but the symptoms still exist, you start looking at the others, one by one, until you nail them all. That's how we got mine corrected.

Posted by: Minotaur

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Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

just hear insurance copies are not going to cover GH any more? is this true? I just started armour too at 30 mgs and dr will up it weekly according to how i feel. He is best dr I have been too..

I havent heard that. Where did you hear it? My GH replacement is Humatrope from Lilly. Armour is pretty cheap, even without insurance. But Armour is thyroid replacement, not growth hormone.

I'll have to dig around. I can't afford Humatrope without my insurance covering it ($300/mo).

Posted by: Johnnny

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Deficiencies in any of these hormones mimic each other (tiredness, mood swings, no sex drive, gaining fat, and so on... the list is endless). When you're treated for one, but the symptoms still exist, you start looking at the others, one by one, until you nail them all. That's how we got mine corrected.

So do you mean these symptoms are for both low testosterone & low GH or just testosterone.

What if you're someone who has a huge sex drive, gets hard-ons about 5 times a day & 3-5 during the night would low testosterone or GH be a concern?

Posted by: hardasnails1973

when do you start to feel the effects of armour thyroid? My conversion from t t4 to t-3 is not working efficently and is causing severe metabolsim shut down with inablility to process nutrients which is leading to major decrease in Gi molity AKA constipation

Posted by: Minotaur

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

Minotaur

So do you mean these symptoms are for both low testosterone & low GH or just testosterone.

What if you're someone who has a huge sex drive, gets hard-ons about 5 times a day & 3-5 during the night would low testosterone or GH be a concern?

What I mean is that symptoms of low testosterone, underactive thyroid and low GH can overlap and mimic each other. They often go together, also, making it harder to get corrected. For example, your thyroid is underactive and you go on replacement (Synthroid, Levoxyl, Armour, whatever). Your next blood test shows OK, but you still feel like crap... tired, moody, no weight loss, etc. Well, then it's time to look at testosterone level, and so on. That's what happened with me. It was one thing after another that was wrong. We had to go after one thing at a time.

But if you feel good, your sex drive is normal or above, you get erections, have no problem in the sex department and blood test shows normal testosterone (s/b 600-700, not as low as 300 like some doctors say), then it's not a testosterone problem. It was probably only the thyroid. For a lot of people it's that simple. Others go through hell trying to get well.

Now, this is just a really brief and simple description based on what I've learned about it, going through all this.

Now, in my case, it turns out that even though I'm on testosterone replacement (Androgel), my testosterone is dropping, my blood sugar is climbing, and my triglycerides are through the roof. Turns out I may be insulin resistant now because my GH dose may be too high. GH can increase blood sugar and cause insulin resistance (a precursor to Type II diabetes). I think insulin resistance can affect testosterone also. My next blood test will reveal all this. I probably have to decrease my GH dose, then I should be in good shape.

So all this with this endocrine systems is tightly tied together. Mess with one system, and there is a cascade effect on other endocrine systems. It's really pretty fascinating, in a geekish sort of way. heh heh *snort* *snort*

Posted by: Minotaur

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Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

when do you start to feel the effects of armour thyroid? My conversion from t t4 to t-3 is not working efficently and is causing severe metabolsim shut down with inablility to process nutrients which is leading to major decrease in Gi molity AKA constipation

For me it was pretty quick. T3 is very fast acting and very powerful (4x the effect of T4).

Some people do have conversion problems. Have you tried selenium? No more than 200mcg per day. Selenium helps in the conversion of T4 to T3. And stay away from soy! Don't even handle any soy products (OK, a little exaggeration about the handling

). Soy can interfere with thyroid hormones.

Are you on Armour, or still on a synthetic T4? Armour contains T3, Synthroid, Levolyl, Unithroid, et al do not. If you're on one of those, you could either try Armour or ask your doc to add Cytomel (synthetic T3) to your T4 regimen. Some docs balk at this. Mine, for example, would rather prescribe Armour than tinker with figuring dosages for a synthetic T4/T3 combo. You know, whatever.

At least for me it works.

Posted by: Johnnny

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But if you feel good, your sex drive is normal or above, you get erections, have no problem in the sex department and blood test shows normal testosterone (s/b 600-700, not as low as 300 like some doctors say), then it's not a testosterone problem. It was probably only the thyroid. For a lot of people it's that simple. Others go through hell trying to get well.

I think it might be safe to say that I don't have a low testosterone level. My sex drive I think is above normal. I'm someone who wants sex & could do it
3-5 times a day if the time permitted & had a partner willing to do it that often. I also get about 8 hardons throughout the day & night combined.

My endocrinologist I believe if I heard him right said that your thyroid gland is also responsible for the aid of testosterone out put into the system. So if your thyroid isn't working right either will your testosterone. Everything is connected as you said.

I feel better whenever there is a need to change my synthroid dose. So for they've had to lower it now twice in 2 months. I'm do for another blood test in about 12 days. I wonder if they'll have to change it again? I just hope they can get the damn levels right soon.

I personally can't stand what a thyroid dysfunction whether hyper like what I've had or hypo does to someone's physique.

I'm on synthroid's now b/c they gave me iodine treatment last August to shut down my thyroid as I was hyper. I was on Tapazole for 3yrs & was doing okay, but the endocrinologist thought they'd be able to control my thyroid better giving me iodine. It took 6 months before I even needed synthroid. For 2 months my levels were normal with no drugs, but then my levels finally started to drop as it took 6 months for the full effect of the iodine to take place.

It was during this time that my physique took yet another major hit. My endocrinologist, she told me I was probably going to uncontrolably even with diet & training gain body fat. As when the full effect of the iodine takes place, you've basically become hypo thyroid as that is what someone is who as little or no thyroid hormone. That's where the synthroid's come in.

I'm moreless feeling okay now. Sometimes I get tired & find it hard to train or don't even feel like training. But I still push myself to go 4 days a week.

Posted by: hardasnails1973

i am on armour 1 grain a day and monitoring my body temperature. today it was 96.5. here his my scenerio at which happened to me..

Lack of the brain chemical serotonin causes lethargy, depression and cravings for sugar. In addition to low serotonin levels, carbohydrate restrictive diets are also responsible for the shutdown of the powerful fat burning and metabolism boosting hormones T-4 and T-3. This scientific revelation was huge because metabolic shutdown in response to dieting, carbohydrate restriction and/or prolonged use of thermogenics, steroids and/or growth hormone all short-circuit thyroid hormone production and conversion. This negative feedback loop prevents YOU not only from loosing body fat, but will also result in the accumulation of new fat. Research unlocked an amazing auyvedic medicine called gugulsterone that

I am on selenium 200 mcgs a day, 180 mgs gugguls, 800 mcg iodine as well, 1000 mgs tyrosine,
I was in starvation mood for a long time and I think I may have an iron defeicenct as well. Is there any way to find out with out a blood test ?
I think this about converse it

Posted by: Johnnny

hardasnails1973

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This scientific revelation was huge because metabolic shutdown in response to dieting, carbohydrate restriction and/or prolonged use of thermogenics, steroids and/or growth hormone all short-circuit thyroid hormone production and conversion.

As you know my hyper thyroid was caused by use of the ephedrine/ephedra mixed with caffeine & aspirin the ECA stack & the thermogenic fatburners that include Ma Huang the herbal form of ephedrine or ephedra.

Ephedrine/ephedra & thermogenics as you know increase your T4 & T3 levels, well in some ppl even after the usage of the supplement is stopped, their thyroid levels remain very high. In the hyper state which is what happened to me. Even though I stopped using those supplements my levels never returned to an equalibrium.

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Research unlocked an amazing auyvedic medicine called gugulsterone that

I've heard of gugulsterone before but forget it's purpose. Do all ppl with thyroid dysfunction require it?

Even though my levels are improving with my iodine treatment from last August & then my hormone was replace with the synthroids, I'm still having some problems losing some stubborn body fat mostly around the lower abs & a little bit on the sides even with my sprint training & proper diet.

Do you have any idea why? Although my conditioning is improving, it's not improving as fast I think it should be.

Posted by: Minotaur

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

Minotaur

My endocrinologist I believe if I heard him right said that your thyroid gland is also responsible for the aid of testosterone out put into the system. So if your thyroid isn't working right either will your testosterone. Everything is connected as you said.

Right, but not everyone has the same symptoms or the same effects from thyroid disease. And it is a disease... a chronic disease that we can never cure, only learn to manage. No matter how 'perfect' the blood tests come out, and how well we feel, there is still an abnormality that must be managed.

The problem is that a healthy thyroid adjusts and responds to various conditions day to day (even hour to hour)... ours cannot. So when conditions change, we are still taking the same dose of hormone. It may be too little or too much yet we have no way of knowing.

Posted by: Minotaur

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Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

i am on armour 1 grain a day and monitoring my body temperature. today it was 96.5. here his my scenerio at which happened to me..

Lack of the brain chemical serotonin causes lethargy, depression and cravings for sugar. In addition to low serotonin levels, carbohydrate restrictive diets are also responsible for the shutdown of the powerful fat burning and metabolism boosting hormones T-4 and T-3. This scientific revelation was huge because metabolic shutdown in response to dieting, carbohydrate restriction and/or prolonged use of thermogenics, steroids and/or growth hormone all short-circuit thyroid hormone production and conversion. This negative feedback loop prevents YOU not only from loosing body fat, but will also result in the accumulation of new fat. Research unlocked an amazing auyvedic medicine called gugulsterone that

I am on selenium 200 mcgs a day, 180 mgs gugguls, 800 mcg iodine as well, 1000 mgs tyrosine,
I was in starvation mood for a long time and I think I may have an iron defeicenct as well. Is there any way to find out with out a blood test ?
I think this about converse it

The only way to know iron level is with a blood test. Low iron (which goes along with hypothyroidism) is anemia. I had it a few years ago when I was at my worst.

Right now the only supps. I am taking are fish oil caps to lower my triglycerides (per my endo), glucosamine (which I'll probably find out causes pregnancy in men

), and a multivit. And of course my whey protein.

This past week I've been really bummed out and on a short fuse. Maybe from low carbing (two weeks into it). Yet last year when I did it, I was fine. Fortunately now it's passing and I'm feeling better and more upbeat.

Posted by: Johnnny

Minotaur

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The problem is that a healthy thyroid adjusts and responds to various conditions day to day (even hour to hour)... ours cannot. So when conditions change, we are still taking the same dose of hormone. It may be too little or too much yet we have no way of knowing.

That's the real bitch of a thyroid condition. My endocrinologist, she's had to change my synthroid dosages every month so far since this past January when I was first put on them.

The only thing I'm not sure about is whey protein as they all have tyrosine which works with the thyroid. I know this may sound crazy, but since I've been off my whey protein for a few weeks now, she's had to lower my synthroid twice & I find I'm getting in much better condition without losing too much weight while getting stronger. I'm just eating 6 times a day.

I too take salmon oil that contains Omega 3 & I also take flaxseed oil. Thyroid patients should also be taking a standard dosed capsule of calcium twice a day as well as drink 2-3 glasses of skim milk. I read & was told by my endo that sometimes your calcium levels get low. When I first found out about my hyper thyroid I fractured a small bone in my left hand very easily on something really stupid. That's when I lost 30lbs in 3-4 weeks. Since then I've been taking Jameison Calcium Citrate with Vitamin D that helps the body absorb the calcium better. I'm also taking Glucosamine & have been for about 4yrs.

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The only way to know iron level is with a blood test. Low iron (which goes along with hypothyroidism) is anemia. I had it a few years ago when I was at my worst.

So would I be at risk of low iron since I had my big dose of iodine treatment? I eat lean red meat twice a day.

Posted by: Minotaur

I don't know if the iodine treatment would affect iron. When your endo runs blood tests, she should ask for a CBC, which is a complete blood chemistry report. It's pretty standard.

Red meat=good!

Posted by: Little Wing

My mom tried Glucosamine and almost instantly had double vision, got dizzy, n nauseous.... she is allergic to shellfish n didn't read the bottle. All the women on my moms side including me end up on thyroid medication for hypothyroidism. I take synthroid.

Posted by: Johnnny

Minotaur

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I don't know if the iodine treatment would affect iron. When your endo runs blood tests, she should ask for a CBC, which is a complete blood chemistry report. It's pretty standard.

Red meat=good!

I've been wanting a CBC but my family doctor doesn't think I need one. Maybe the endo would check it off the next time I'm due for a TSH.

Also doesn't CBC stand for Complete Blood Count? That's what I was told once.

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My mom tried Glucosamine and almost instantly had double vision, got dizzy, n nauseous.... she is allergic to shellfish n didn't read the bottle. All the women on my moms side including me end up on thyroid medication for hypothyroidism. I take synthroid.

I didn't know you have hypothyroidism & are being treated with synthroid? How do you stay so slender & in shape? It can be very tough with hypothyroidism even with synthroids.

Are you sure your Mom's double vision, dizziness, & nauseous wasn't caused by the shellfish since she's allergic?

I haven't heard of anything like that from taking glucosamine. I've been on it for about 5yrs now with no problems. But one things for sure each individual is different & will react differently to vitamins inlcuding glucosamine, supplements & drugs.

Take Care.

Posted by: Little Wing

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Minotaur

rockgazer69

I didn't know you have hypothyroidism & are being treated with synthroid? How do you stay so slender & in shape? It can be very tough with hypothyroidism even with synthroids.

Are you sure your Mom's double vision, dizziness, & nauseous wasn't caused by the shellfish since she's allergic?

I haven't heard of anything like that from taking glucosamine. I've been on it for about 5yrs now with no problems. But one things for sure each individual is different & will react differently to vitamins inlcuding glucosamine, supplements & drugs.

Take Care.

It says on the bottle she had not to take if you are allergic to shellfish.

I mention in several threads that my pics aren't recent. What single woman with no love interest is going to have pics like that around? Since I've been inactive due to my hands being screwed up from carpal tunnel n quite frankly not wanting attention from men due my ex's wonderful revalation that he is gay (I went through a really bad depression you have to figure one would especially with two kids involved) I haven't kept in top shape but am getting it back quite easily, I think because I always was so active. Luckily I never got stretch marks from either child something I never think of, but I saw a friend changing the other day, I was SO lucky to avoid that. I don't know if my thyroid affects my body that much - I do know I'm horrid about taking my meds n when I don't I get sleepy n really thirsty, sometimes I get muscle cramping. I take....have to check....oops not even synthroid anymore, told you I was bad, Levothroid 112MCG tabs. i will make an effort to take as scheduled bleh. Need to re-organize the kitchen for summer efficiency anyway i'll put my med near the coffee can't miss it there. I'm getting curious about trying some of the supplements I read about in here but have no idea where to start. PM me some ideas if you don't mind.

Posted by: Johnnny

rockgazer69

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I mention in several threads that my pics aren't recent. What single woman with no love interest is going to have pics like that around? Since I've been inactive due to my hands being screwed up from carpal tunnel n quite frankly not wanting attention from men due my ex's wonderful revalation that he is gay (I went through a really bad depression you have to figure one would especially with two kids involved) I haven't kept in top shape but am getting it back quite easily, I think because I always was so active.

Don't worry, I'm sure you still look great. What is Carpal Tunnel? I haven't heard of it. Sorry to hear about your husband, sounds like Will & Grace LOL. I'm just kidding. Sometimes we have to take the negative things & later on laugh about them to keep ourselves from getting down in the dumps. I'm sure you'll get back into the flow of things at the gym very easily. You seem very dedicated even though you haven't been for awhile.

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Luckily I never got stretch marks from either child something I never think of, but I saw a friend changing the other day, I was SO lucky to avoid that. I don't know if my thyroid affects my body that much - I do know I'm horrid about taking my meds n when I don't I get sleepy n really thirsty, sometimes I get muscle cramping. I take....have to check....oops not even synthroid anymore, told you I was bad, Levothroid 112MCG tabs

I use a casette with the little boxes that open with the days marked on them & put enough pills for the whole week on Sunday night. I never forget with this. Before we knew what was wrong in the yr 2000, I used to get muscle spasms & had constant sweating even just sitting in a chair at college.

I hope everything works out.

Posted by: Little Wing

Funnily enough carpal tunnel is thought of mainly as a repetative motion injury but thyroid problems can contribute to it. http://www.sorehand.com/carpal-tunnel-syndrome.htm Too much pressure is on I think a median nerve in your wrists n eventually you need surgery to relieve the pressure.

Posted by: Johnnny

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Funnily enough carpal tunnel is thought of mainly as a repetative motion injury but thyroid problems can contribute to it. http://www.sorehand.com/carpal-tunnel-syndrome.htm Too much pressure is on I think a median nerve in your wrists n eventually you need surgery to relieve the pressure.

How did you develop it & did have or are you going to have the surgery?

I hope everthing works out for you.

Posted by: Minotaur

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Minotaur
Also doesn't CBC stand for Complete Blood Count? That's what I was told once.

I think you're right. Pretty much the same result though...everything that's going on in your blood in a general sense.

Posted by: Johnnny

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I think you're right. Pretty much the same result though...everything that's going on in your blood in a general sense.

Speaking of the CBC I'm getting one with my monthly TSH check next week. It's probably been at least 5yrs since I had a CBC done.

As I've read here & in books before, I know that thyroid patients iron can decrease therefore losing red blood cells which make you strong. So they very often need iron. This could explain why I get tired very often b/c my thyroid with my last check is normal so it wouldn't be the thyroid that's making me tired & I usually get 7-9hrs sleep every night which is more than enough for me but sometimes I'm tired at 7pm even. Sometimes I don't even feel like going to the gym but I can't get lazy. As for training I usually am okay by the time I get to the gym, but I can't help wondering how much more stronger & bigger I'd be if my iron really is low if that's a problem.

Take care.

Posted by: hardasnails1973

here is my plan of attack.

1. did the iodine patch test gone in 4 hours. HELLO iodine deficnecy
Reason why deficienct
a) never salt my food
b) was uder alot of stress that depeletes iodine levels for several months
c) very rarely eat any kind of fresh water fish other then tuna -iodine in diet is non existant
d) during contest time I got lazy and stopped multiviatmin and red meat last 4 weeks and that is when I notice all this crap happening. Meaning my body was just eating it self alive
2. body temperature is still 97.0 degrees in the morning

correcrt this problem
1000 mgs tyrosine 3 times a day
300 mcg iodine 3 times a day from kelp bladderwackm black walnut (also kills parasites)

200 mcgs selenium
liver tabs for iron - taken away from thyroid (armour) to prevent interfernce
1000 mgs taurine 2 times a day
glandulars 3 times a day
b-12 complex 1000 mcgs 3 times a day
Plus a good subingula multiviatmin
I think this should cover ALL BASIS

Posted by: hardasnails1973

just got back from the health food store. i got bladderwack in tincture form at 150 mcgs of iodine and more l-tyrosine, and a good multi vitamin as well.
going to hit 1000-1500 mcgs of iodine a day, 3000 mgs l tyrosine, multiviatmin, 5000 mcgs of subliginual b-12, coleskins are next, grandular 2-3 times a day. PS just took 4 dropps of bladderwack and started sweat my butt off with in 15 minutes after one week I will retest the patch for 48 hour to se if iodine is still needed.

Posted by: Johnnny

hardasnails1973
So do you have a thyroid condition? You don't really say as you're talking about idoine which plays a major role in proper function of the thyroid gland.

I had a big dose of iodine to shut down my thyroid production as I was getting too much thyroid hormone & it took about 6 months before I need synthroids to replace my thyroid hormone.

Posted by: hardasnails1973

can you say severe constipation, low body temp, slowly hair growth, low t-3 cells, increase fat desposits, ect. PLus I am iodine nutrient deficent for past 6 months. Plus low t-3, t-4 count elevated tsh. I would say so....

Posted by: Johnnny

hardasnails1973

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can you say severe constipation, low body temp, slowly hair growth, low t-3 cells, increase fat desposits, ect. PLus I am iodine nutrient deficent for past 6 months. Plus low t-3, t-4 count elevated tsh. I would say so....

It's still not really clear what you have. You say your T3 is low which could say you have hypo thyroid not getting enough thyroid hormone, but then you say that your T4 count is high which is the other thyroid hormone which could mean you have hyper thyroid condition getting too much thyroid hormone.

So which is it? Hypo thyroid meaning your not getting enough thyroid hormone, or hyper thyroid getting too much thyroid hormone?

Posted by: hardasnails1973

low t-3 levels , normal t-4. elevated tsh 1.25 -1.91 in 2 months time !!!
low iodine (patch test gone in 2 hours vs 24 hours), and possible low tyrosine (unable to used becuase it is being converted to tyramine by candida which is useless form of tyrosine)
Low stomach acids from hypothyroid

Posted by: Johnnny

hardasnails1973
So it is a hypo thyroid you have then? Then how come you aren't on synthroids to replace the hormone? That's typically the common treatment for hypo thyroid.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Synthroid is T4, he has normal T4 levels so he is prolly having a conversion problem, which I believe an Iodine Deficiency can cause, but not sure, I bet Bandaid woman would know.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Found this on www.whfoods.com, might help in the understanding...

The conversion of thyroxine (T4) to triiodthyronine (T3) requires the removal of an iodine molecule from T4. This reaction requires the mineral selenium. The iodine molecule that is removed gets returned to the body's pool of iodine and can be reused to make additional thyroid hormones.

If your body is deficient in selenium, the conversion of T4 to T3 is slowed, and less iodine is available for the thryoid to use in making new hormones.

Posted by: Johnnny

Dale Mabry

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Found this on www.whfoods.com, might help in the understanding...

The conversion of thyroxine (T4) to triiodthyronine (T3) requires the removal of an iodine molecule from T4. This reaction requires the mineral selenium. The iodine molecule that is removed gets returned to the body's pool of iodine and can be reused to make additional thyroid hormones.

If your body is deficient in selenium, the conversion of T4 to T3 is slowed, and less iodine is available for the thryoid to use in making new hormones.

I will look at the link after I get home from work it looks very informative. But you are right about the T3 & T4 . Most ppl are in need of T4. But with bodybuilders who are on drugs of course very often use T3 as apart of their cutting cycles. But pro longed use can & will have permanent damage to their thyroid as well.

I was never told that selenium deficiency can play apart in thyroid function?

Posted by: hardasnails1973

on armour 2 grains a day and added in t-3 at 50 mcgs and montioring body temperature

Posted by: gryyffen

I too have a thyroid problem, it is hypo, my doc has me on armour thyroid, along with a time release T-3. helps me with the fatigue but weight loss is not easy. and it is frustrating when you work out all the time and try to eat as healthy as possible. Armour contains both the T-3 and T-4. your thyroid contains both those elements and most doctors only give you one, the T-4 which is synthroid. the T-3 is more active and is needed.

Posted by: Johnnny

gryyffen

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I too have a thyroid problem, it is hypo, my doc has me on armour thyroid, along with a time release T-3. helps me with the fatigue but weight loss is not easy. and it is frustrating when you work out all the time and try to eat as healthy as possible. Armour contains both the T-3 and T-4. your thyroid contains both those elements and most doctors only give you one, the T-4 which is synthroid. the T-3 is more active and is needed.
06-28-2004 05:42 PM

It sounds like everyone with a thyroid condition here is having a rough time.

I need something to help me with my fatigue. Sometimes I feel a bit tired & not like training, but by the time I get to the gym, I'm usually okay.

But the last week or so I'm really feeling fatigued. I'm planning on taking a good 10 days off from the gym to rest. No lifting or cardio/conditioning. I may do some crunches & leg lifts though & I plan on getting full nights rests.

I hope you & everyone here, I hope your thyroid's all get better. I hate this f#^%n' thing as it's a real pain in the ass.

Good luck all.

Posted by: Crono1000

this has become the whore thread of the health forum

Posted by: Johnnny

Crono1000

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this has become the whore thread of the health forum

I'm guessing you don't have a thyroid condition at all to share or discuss?

So what's the point of you being here?

As you can see we've all been discussing & sharing information in regards to our thyroid conditions & the problems it's caused us.

Posted by: Crono1000

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Originally Posted by Crono1000

ok i don't know where this thread went but whatever, just give the guy a break. If you don't like him, if he's annoying, if he's making fake identities and posting as them, don't come to the threads that say threadstarter Johnnny. I've yet to see him post in a thread he didn't create so, children, if he stays on his side of the backseat you stay on yours.

anyway, I've also been taking synthroid and I've also had both hypo and hyper, one probably led to the other due to a bacteria that infected my thyroid gland at some point. I've never liked my doctor's interpretation of it and after taking the treatment I still never felt better. I first came in with heart palpitations being able to feel my heart beat loudly at all times, no matter what the activity was. After the synthroid my heart is usually under control but I still suffer from the other symptoms. Every checkup on my THS level (I get another on Monday) they just keep giving me the same dosage and saying I'll be fine. Bleh, I guess a doctor knows best, but he hardly acknowledges my complaints.

page 2 buddy

Posted by: Crono1000

haven't u figured it out? I say nothing productive

Posted by: Johnnny

Crono100

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I've also been taking synthroid and I've also had both hypo and hyper, one probably led to the other due to a bacteria that infected my thyroid gland at some point. I've never liked my doctor's interpretation of it and after taking the treatment I still never felt better. I first came in with heart palpitations being able to feel my heart beat loudly at all times, no matter what the activity was. After the synthroid my heart is usually under control but I still suffer from the other symptoms. Every checkup on my THS level (I get another on Monday) they just keep giving me the same dosage and saying I'll be fine. Bleh, I guess a doctor knows best, but he hardly acknowledges my complaints.

So than why not elaborate on your thyroid problems?

The whole point of the thread is to share thyroid experiences & discuss the treatments we've had & so on.

We've all been through the same thing with our thyroid.

We'd be glad to hear your experiences & opinions on your thyroid problem.

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Does anyone here have either Hypo or Hyper Thyroid Dysfunction?

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