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Posted by: Monolith

This will be a log of ~8 weeks of my Leptigen: Rebirth and Sesathin use. I will be carb cycling throughout. I'm going to list my meals probably for just the first High/Low/No cycle, and then list diet only when something changes (which is rare). Training logs will be kept daily.

I'll be taking measurements every week, with pics at the start and end of the 8 weeks. Fortunately for everyone here, the pics aren't gonna get posted... only lucky TP gets those.

Stats -
Male, 20 years, 6'5"
Weight as of this morning, after yesterdays no carb: 235lbs
Stomach, around navel: 40.5"
Right arm: 16.5"
Left arm: 16.25"
Right quad: 26"
Left quad: 25.8"
Neck: 16.75"
BF: 21-23% (using 3 point caliper)

Current supplement usage looks like this:
Upon waking (30-60 mins before each meal) -
2.4g ALCAR
4.8g Piracetam
1.2g NAC
650mg Phosphatidylserine
300mg Alpha-GPC
(will be adding 1st dose of Rebirth here)

I'll list how these affect me, as a reference for anything new from the LG/Sesathin:

ALCAR - Very noticable effects, highly increased concentration, begins to taper off after 2-3 hours. I've been treated for ADD in the past, and ALCAR seems to give near adderall like effects.

Piracetam - Not noticable. My attack dose was around ~7g/day for a week. I'm staying on it for several reasons: 1, its cheap. 2, apparently its effects increase somewhat the longer its used... so perhaps coming off it after a couple months will be more noticable than my initial usage. 3, i dont want to change my supplementation right before i start evaluationg the LG/sesathin.

NAC - My liver values have been queer for a while; specifically concerning elevated bilirubin. Had slight cases of jaundice in the eyes come and go over the past couple years. Jaundice has cleared somewhat since i began, but i havent had any recent blood work to confirm anything. Cheap anti-oxidant, too.

Phosphatidylserine - Jurys out on this. I began it because i had a feeling my cortisol levels were out of whack. I was probably just being a hypochondriac... lol. One thing i will say is that it seems to have lessened mood swings. Things that would normally set me off are less likely to do so... or if they do, i dont fester on them as much/at all. I also noticed a bizarre, intoxicated feeling that lasted ~25 minutes when i took 2g of it. Eventually i'm going to knock the dosing down to only on no carb days, see if anything changes.

Alpha-GPC - This, along with lecithin and some choline bitrate in my multi is just my choline source. Never taken it on its own, but i wouldnt expect much from it in that case anyway.

Also take a multi vit/min with first meal, 6g epa/dha spread throughout the day with 4 meals. Will be dropping this to ~2g/day with 2 meals.

Post w/o i take a b-complex with my meal. And 2x daily i take ~6g creatine.

Things i take only rarely: melatonin before bed (only if im otherwise wired), E/C pre-workout (only if im otherwise tired)

I think thats about it... oh yeah, im also extremely anal. And i tend to babble on. And im fat. Yeah, im done. Enjoy.


Posted by: Jodi

Good Luck Monolith


Posted by: Monolith

Ha, i knew i was forgetting something:

I'll be dosing the sesathin at 1/2 cap 3x/day. The rebirth will be 1 scoop 4x/day. At that dosing they'll both run out at the 8 week mark.


Posted by: yellowmoomba

Let's see some workouts !!

Good luck -




Posted by: Deeznuts

Wow, can't wait to see results! Good luck bro.


Posted by: atherjen

this I am looking forward to following along... BEst of luck!!


Posted by: Monolith

Thanks everyone!

Training for 4/19: Chest/Biceps

DB bench - 60lbx10 75lbx8x4 65lbx7

Decline BB - 135lbx11x8x9 (slight assist last rep last set)

Incline smith - 90lbx14x9x9

Pec dec - 120lbx10x8 100lbx10

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Alternating seated DB curl - 20lbx10 30lbx12x10x8

Hammer curls - 25lbx10 20lbx10x10

Conc. curls - 20lbx13/11x10/8 (right/left)

Jumped in and did a set of hammer machine preacher curls with someone right at the end... like 70lbx9?

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Eh, strength is in the gutter as usual. I'm getting used to it.

Went really fast again today (you're getting to me, P-funk ). Lifted with a buddy doing you go i go for chest, then with bi's the RI's were around 30s.

No noticable effects from the sesathin or rebirth during the workout. Although i did feel like i had quite a bit of energy, more so than usual, especially after doing such short RI stuff. The synephrine, maybe?


Posted by: Vieope

Good luck man.. I did´t read your journal but I will tomorrow.


Posted by: Eggs

Hey Monolith! Good to see your Rerbirth journal up and going... looking forward to seeing what happens for you.


Posted by: PreMier

Why not provide a link in your old journal I almost got lost.

Oh, and good luck!


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by PreMier
Why not provide a link in your old journal I almost got lost.

Oh, and good luck!
Sorry

And thanks for the support, guys!


Posted by: Monolith

Today's (typical) high carb day:

I should also note that im following a High/Low/No/High/Low/Low/No schedule. Also, that 2nd dose of sesathin was too soon, i had meant to take it midway through the day.

First impressions... DAMN, LEPTIGEN IS TASTY! I think tossing back a mouthful of piracetam powder every morning had me a bit jaded. I was almost tempted to mix up the whole damn cannister of Rebirth.

The powder is thin, and does seem to puff up a bit if you aren't careful.

As for its ability to signal a fed state... well, a high carb day isnt the best day to critique that. Really the only time on a high carb day i feel hungry is around 2 hours after my post w/o meal. Didnt get that today, so....

As for the Sesathin... cant say ive noticed any of the reported sides. I was warm today, and was sweating a bit... but it was also around 80 degrees all day, and i was doing a lot of yard work.

Oh, i got some gas about an hour ago.


Posted by: I'm Trying

Goodluck Monolith on your new journal. SOrry haven't read it yet I will later.


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by I'm Trying
Goodluck Monolith on your new journal. SOrry haven't read it yet I will later.
lmao, im getting a lot of that. Dont worry, most of it is just me rambling on about nothing important.


Posted by: Jodi

Shit I think I ate more than you today


Posted by: Monolith

lmao

How long does it take you to eat each meal? Everyone tells me i eat fast, and it takes me like 20 minutes.


Posted by: Jodi

Depends - sometimes 15 mins. sometimes 45 mins. My 2nd carb meal took 45 mins. but my 3rd one only took me 15 mins. LOL!


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by Jodi
Depends - sometimes 15 mins. sometimes 45 mins. My 2nd carb meal took 45 mins. but my 3rd one only took me 15 mins. LOL!
LOL

I wish there were a low GI carb in powder form.


Posted by: atherjen

great workout!!!

whats with the 5.8oz chicken? why not eat 6?


Posted by: Twin Peak

Quote:
Originally posted by Monolith
LOL

I wish there were a low GI carb in powder form.
Ask, and ye shall receive:

Inulin: http://www.blackstarlabs.com/?cPath=3&products_id=182

Oat Fiber Powder: http://www.blackstarlabs.com/?cPath=3&products_id=134


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by Twin Peak
Ask, and ye shall receive:

Inulin: http://www.blackstarlabs.com/?cPath=3&products_id=182

Oat Fiber Powder: http://www.blackstarlabs.com/?cPath=3&products_id=134
Those are both fibers though, right?

I was hoping for something like powdered brown rice.

Hey, actually... there's an idea... dump a bag of dry brown rice into a blender?


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by atherjen
great workout!!!

whats with the 5.8oz chicken? why not eat 6?
lol, no reason, it just happened to weigh out that way.


Posted by: Monolith

Training for 4/20: Quads

Trap bar deadlifts - 135lbx10 225lbx10x10x8

Incline leg press - 450lbx10x10x10

Hammer unilateral plate loaded leg extensions - 25lbx10x8x7

Squats - barx10 95lbx10

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What a weird workout.

Got pissed at myself w/ the trap bar deads. Was hoping to get 3 sets of 10, but my legs died on the last set. Managed to get it on the leg press, though... which bumps me up a few reps from last week there. First time trying the uni leg extensions, which i stole from P-Funk. While one leg is on the eccentric and concentric portion of the lift, the other leg is holding a static contraction. They felt pretty good.

After i finished with that, i realized i still had a shitload of energy. Which is weird, normally leg day devastates me (yeah, even with those puny weights ). I actually figured id do a few sets of squats, but as i was working up the weight, i realized i had an apointment i was gonna miss, so had to haul ass out of there. Ri's were 60-90s.

This is the second w/o i've had a noticable increase in energy. I'm not quite sure why... i havent read anything, or can think of any reason, that it would be the Rebirth. The only other thing ive changed somewhat recently is i started taking a digestive enzyme complex with my meals about a week ago (but didnt notice this energy boost w/ last weeks workouts).

Maybe its just a fluke... i'll see how it goes for the rest of the week.


Posted by: atherjen

I was gonna ask what was up with those wussy squats! good enough excuse I guess! hehe
otherwise great workout!! cant complain about those added boots of energy-esp on leg day!

OH! and they do have brown rice flour that you could use.. or just grind up some oats in a coffee grinder to powder form.


Posted by: P-funk

That is horse shit. You let yourself die at 8 reps on that last set and you know it. If you hit 10 for the first to sets I find it hard to believe that you hit ABSOLUTE failure and couldn't get 2 more on the third set. Don't be so quick to give in. Mentally tell yourself "two more...i can do it......pull it together" and at the end of that you can puncutate it with my line that I yell "I GOT IT....C'MON YOU FUCKER..." the I spit on the floor pick my head/chin up decend down, lead with my chest and drive my hammies and glutes through the floor. I bet, if you really talked yourself up, that last set you could have hit TOTAL faliure at 15 reps!!! I know it.


Posted by: atherjen

Patrick would you be my lil guardian sitting on my shoulder when I train please!! VERY very true!!!!


Posted by: P-funk

jen- I would love to train with you guys (you, Jodi, mono, Premier..and others). it woul dbe so fun. I think you guys would hate me afterwards though. I am really anal about form and making sure everything is in full ROM. Most people don't like to train with me because I have no problem calling someone out. Come to NYC and see for yourself.


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by P-funk
That is horse shit. You let yourself die at 8 reps on that last set and you know it. If you hit 10 for the first to sets I find it hard to believe that you hit ABSOLUTE failure and couldn't get 2 more on the third set. Don't be so quick to give in. Mentally tell yourself "two more...i can do it......pull it together" and at the end of that you can puncutate it with my line that I yell "I GOT IT....C'MON YOU FUCKER..." the I spit on the floor pick my head/chin up decend down, lead with my chest and drive my hammies and glutes through the floor. I bet, if you really talked yourself up, that last set you could have hit TOTAL faliure at 15 reps!!! I know it.
hahaha

I'm pretty quiet in the gym, so is most everyone in there... i think if i started screaming "FUCK COME ON UGNGH" i'd get thrown out. I need to come train with you in NY.

The first set was hard, the second set was harder, and the third set i started seeing red by the 6th rep. 8 was hard, dammit.

Anyway, i think im gonna go back to squats next week, but just to parallel... do those for 3 weeks or so, then do some ATF squats. Then ill probably cycle back to trap bar deads.


Posted by: P-funk

Cycling is a good way to do it.


By the way, the best part about my screaming is that I work at 9and workout at because it is a free membership) at a really upscale gym where there is really no one training hard. LOL, you should see peoples faces when i am getting loud.


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by atherjen
I was gonna ask what was up with those wussy squats! good enough excuse I guess! hehe
otherwise great workout!! cant complain about those added boots of energy-esp on leg day!

OH! and they do have brown rice flour that you could use.. or just grind up some oats in a coffee grinder to powder form.
Hey, thats a good idea with the oats. I havent had oats in a long time, actually... ive got a sealed container sitting in my cabinet i might break into on Thurs, my next high carb day.


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by P-funk
Cycling is a good way to do it.


By the way, the best part about my screaming is that I work at 9and workout at because it is a free membership) at a really upscale gym where there is really no one training hard. LOL, you should see peoples faces when i am getting loud.
LMAO

Yeah, i think i mentioned this last summer, but the gym i was at in NY was weird... it was filled with all these scrawny people, and they all had trainers following them around everywhere.

I got a good price because they had a deal for uni students, but i guess it was a pretty upscale place. Thats the gym where i saw Britney Spears taking belly dancing lessons.


Posted by: P-funk

what was the name of the gym?? you worked out in the village though right?? I don't work down there.


Posted by: Monolith

World Gym Manhattan, i think. It was just below washington square park on Mercer st.


Posted by: P-funk

oh yeah, I know where it is. I have never been there though. Nice place?


Posted by: Jodi

Quote:
Originally posted by P-funk
jen- I would love to train with you guys (you, Jodi, mono, Premier..and others). it woul dbe so fun. I think you guys would hate me afterwards though. I am really anal about form and making sure everything is in full ROM. Most people don't like to train with me because I have no problem calling someone out. Come to NYC and see for yourself.
Bah.........I'm not afraid of you


Posted by: PreMier




Posted by: P-funk

It is not a matter of being afraid of me. there is nothing to be afraid of. All I am saying is that I am really intense when I workout and you will probably hate me and think I am an asshole when it is all said and done. the workout itself isn't scary.


Posted by: PreMier

Patricks lat spread is the only thing that scares me. It would be like a giant demon bat that is spitting and cussing while swooping overhead.


Posted by: Jodi

Quote:
Originally posted by P-funk
It is not a matter of being afraid of me. there is nothing to be afraid of. All I am saying is that I am really intense when I workout and you will probably hate me and think I am an asshole when it is all said and done. the workout itself isn't scary.
And you forget so soon that I follow the same principles?

Shame on you - we've discussed this before and wondered who would pass out first - you or I


Posted by: P-funk

Quote:
Originally posted by Jodi
And you forget so soon that I follow the same principles?

Shame on you - we've discussed this before and wondered who would pass out first - you or I

No, i am not talking about me and you training. I am talking about you doing a set and me screaming over you shoulder......that ROM sucks.....bring those dumbells down lower.....arch your fucking back...quite wasting my time.....quite wasting your time.....pop your hips......be explosive........are fucking kidding me with this shit?........lock it out..........stay tight......elbows in.........squezze your scapula togther.....more.....more.....more.....keeping going.......what the hell was that?.......C'mon, don't start moving super slow on me........


LOL, and the list goes on........my poor clients.


Posted by: Jodi

I wish I did have you hanging over me like that or someone would. It would be great.


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by Jodi
I wish I did have you hanging over me like that or someone would. It would be great.
Hell YES!

Ive never had a training partner who was more intense than i am (yeah, thats not saying much ). Having someone like P there would be friggin awesome, in a sadistic sort of way.


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by P-funk
oh yeah, I know where it is. I have never been there though. Nice place?
It's alright

Dumbell rack, a few machines, couple power racks. But you can tell the clientele they're marketing for - theyve got an entire section of the gym with padded floors for yoga and such, and one corner is just filled with various ab machines. Then theres the $200,000 worth of cardio equipment (the guy i was talking to when i signed up made a point of dropping that number).

It was way better than the Uni's gyms, which were packed and had suprisingly sparse amounts of equipment. They had a juice bar right next door, too... and for a few weeks there was this gorgeous girl who worked there. After a couple days i was gettin free post w/o shakes.


Posted by: Monolith

Today's (typical) low carb day:

I <3 Leptigen. It's like getting a dessert 4 times a day.

But ahh... yeah. Nothing new to report, really. It's doing a decent job at staving off hunger, nothing too phenomenal, though. Most notably, around 1:15am i was getting hungry as hell, so i dropped the LG early. Hunger disappeared, but now, at 2:15, i find myself thinking of food again. Not as bad as i was at 1:30, but its still there.


Posted by: Monolith

As others have opined, Sesathin looks like nutsauce. Yet i find myself gluttonously lapping the side of the bottle if even a drop is spilled. It feels uncomfortably homo-erotic...


Posted by: Jodi

I use a measuring 1/4 teaspoon now. Too much of a hassle with the cap. Just started back today and said screw it. Its' obviously not the cause of my headaches.


Posted by: PreMier

Quote:
Originally posted by Monolith
As others have opined, Sesathin looks like nutsauce. Yet i find myself gluttonously lapping the side of the bottle if even a drop is spilled. It feels uncomfortably homo-erotic...


Thats just wrong man...


Posted by: Pepper

Quote:
Originally posted by Monolith
As others have opined, Sesathin looks like nutsauce. Yet i find myself gluttonously lapping the side of the bottle if even a drop is spilled. It feels uncomfortably homo-erotic...





Posted by: PreMier




Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by Pepper


Coming from you, that makes me feel especially uncomfortable. Was "The Lonely Shepherd" still playing when you wrote that reply?


Posted by: Monolith

Today's (typical) no carb day:

A couple gripes about the leptigen. It's still damn tasty, but these random clumps of shit in the tub are annoying. I recognize a few of the clumps as lecithin (yellow, somewhat sticky balls)... but theres another type consisting of a solid white powder, which breaks up easily in the hand (but almost impossibly if i just try to violently shake the whole tub).

And a question for TP if you see it, although its not that important: Is the lecithin just acting as an emulsifier, or is synergistic with the other "stuff" in rebirth?

Anyway, as for the thoughts for today: Still hungry. Dosing the rebirth seems to sate me for around 45 minutes, at which point im hungry again. Maybe i need to reread the rebirth writeup, but i was expecting to have hunger reduced.

Also, on an unrelated note, i just spent ~5 hours going back and forth between 3 different biochem and neuropharm books. So far i've diagnosed myself with schizophrenia, hyperprolactinaemia, and general hypochondriasis.


Posted by: atherjen

gosh I would have been hungry!! did you only have taht 2cups of broccoli once??


Posted by: Pepper

About how many calories are you shooting for each day?


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by atherjen
gosh I would have been hungry!! did you only have taht 2cups of broccoli once??
Yeah... im really supposed to be eating more than that, but i hate veggies. Don't you remember my attempt at a "broccoli milkshake"?

Quote:
Originally posted by Pepper
About how many calories are you shooting for each day?
High carbs are probably around 4500, Low's are around 2800, and No's are around 2100 i think.


Posted by: Monolith

Training for 4/22: Shoulders/Triceps

Standing bb mil press - barx10 95lbx6.5x6x3 65lbx9

Superset -
+Cable lateral raises - 30lbx8 20lbx8
+upright row - 80lbx9x7

Reverse pec dec - 60lbx8 80lbx8 drop 40lbx8

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Dips - -100lbx10 BWx7x5

CG bench - 135lbx7x4

One arm O/H DB ext - 20lbx10/9x8/6 (right/left)

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Yeah, that about sums up my workout today. I guess the "uber energy" i had the last 2 days of the gym finally wore off. I dont know wtf happened, but i really wasnt feelin it. First set on the overhead presses felt like they weighed a shitload... i think my grip was a lot wider than normal.

Bleh, now i feel like a true glutton eating all this food on a high carb day after such a worthless hour at the gym.

P, how long till your motivational videos come out?


Posted by: atherjen

I swear I have seen that same shoulder workout recently!!
and hey its not that bad!! dont be so hard on yourself like I am! cant always have our best days in the gym - unless we are like Patrick-we've got alot to learn from him eh!

haha YES I remember the Broccoli Shake!


Posted by: Monolith

lmao, yeah, its funny how you and i seem have such similar w/o's, isnt it?

Tomorrow will be better!


Posted by: PreMier

Broccoli shake?

No problem with having the same w/o as Jen, obviously its working!


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by PreMier
No problem with having the same w/o as Jen, obviously its working!



Posted by: Pepper

I wish you had not said that about the Sesathin...everytime I pour a serving, I think about that...and that is not where you want to be when you about to take something.


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by Pepper
I wish you had not said that about the Sesathin...everytime I pour a serving, I think about that...and that is not where you want to be when you about to take something.
Just keep saying over and over in your head,

"This is NOT one big april fools joke by Avant... This is NOT one big april fools joke by Avant... This is NOT one big april fools joke by Avant... "




Posted by: Pepper

Quote:
Originally posted by Monolith
Just keep saying over and over in your head,

"This is NOT one big april fools joke by Avant... This is NOT one big april fools joke by Avant... This is NOT one big april fools joke by Avant... "
Ya know, it does not taste all that great... I guess it could be....nope, not thinking about it....


Posted by: PreMier

Ever seen Van Weilder?


Posted by: Monolith

Avant's in Cali, right? Theyve probably got a bunch of migrant farm workers in a warehouse somewhere "pumping out" sesathin by the ton.


Posted by: PreMier

Thats hella funny, but oh so wrong. Im glad im not taking it!


Posted by: Monolith

Yesterday's High day was typical. Nothing new to report.


Posted by: Jodi

Quote:
Originally posted by Monolith
Avant's in Cali, right? Theyve probably got a bunch of migrant farm workers in a warehouse somewhere "pumping out" sesathin by the ton.
It does look like it huh?




Posted by: Monolith

Yeah... i really hope the capped version comes out soon.


Posted by: Monolith

Training for 4/23: Back/Traps

One arm DB rows - 60lbx10 85lbx9/8.5x7/6.5 80lbx6.5/6 (right/left)

CG pulldowns - 140lbx10x7 120lbx9

CG t-bar row - 45lbx8 90lbx9x7x6

WG cable row - 110lbx8 drop 60lbx10

DB shrugs - 80lbx10x8 85lbx8x5

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Had some decent energy. RI's were longer today... prolly around 60s. I used the "contraption" for t-bar rows again. Was gonna do them freeweight, but there isnt a single corner in my gym that isnt clogged with equipment. The contraption isnt too bad, though.

Grip began to die on the shrugs, again...


Posted by: PreMier

Capped version? LMAO You mean the kind where you "pump" it and it squirts haha

Nice workouts man. NO MORE contraption! If you have a hard place finding a corner, lay some 45's on the end of the bar.


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by PreMier
Capped version? LMAO You mean the kind where you "pump" it and it squirts haha

Nice workouts man. NO MORE contraption! If you have a hard place finding a corner, lay some 45's on the end of the bar.
hahaha

Yeah, i hear the new bottle for Sesathin looks like this:




Posted by: PreMier

Aaaggghhhh....


Posted by: atherjen

suck it up and work on that grip mister!!! no sad faces that!
and I agree with Jake-ditch that funky contraption for the Tbar rows... do em the ol traditonal hippy way!
otherwise, nice workout! (Im impressed not like my recent!) haha


ummmmmmmmmmmmm interesting "bottle"


Posted by: P-funk

Are you doing any grip work?


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by P-funk
Are you doing any grip work?
Nothing more than occasional high set low rep stuff on deads and bb shrugs.

I was thinking of adding in some direct grip work on leg day, though, as that seems to be my fastest day atm.


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by atherjen
suck it up and work on that grip mister!!! no sad faces that!
and I agree with Jake-ditch that funky contraption for the Tbar rows... do em the ol traditonal hippy way!
otherwise, nice workout! (Im impressed not like my recent!) haha


ummmmmmmmmmmmm interesting "bottle"
Yeah, i guess i should at least give the real tbar rows a try...

I wish there was a free corner in the gym, though. Im gonna feel stupid putting a bar on the ground and stacking plates on one end. People are gonna look at me funny.


Posted by: P-funk

Quote:
Originally posted by Monolith
Nothing more than occasional high set low rep stuff on deads and bb shrugs.

I was thinking of adding in some direct grip work on leg day, though, as that seems to be my fastest day atm.

Um, yeah.....grip work is very important!!! With a stron grip will come a stronger bench press, overhead press, deadlift and shrug. Don't skip your grip!!


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by P-funk
Um, yeah.....grip work is very important!!! With a stron grip will come a stronger bench press, overhead press, deadlift and shrug. Don't skip your grip!!
Grip work it is, then.

Got any suggestions? I know you mentioned chins on a square bar.


Posted by: PreMier

Plate pinches, forearm work, grippers...

http://www.hexplus.net/gripper.htm


Posted by: chiquita6683

hey Mon
u know i havent read everything, but im very impressed. keep up the hard work!


Posted by: M.J.H.

Last couple of workouts really look solid Mon, keep up the hard work. When you said you did t-bar rows in your last journal entry, are you doing them ghetto style like I do? On one side of a barbell with a cable attachment?


Posted by: Monolith

Hey chiquita! Thanks.

Mon, the "contraption" i use looks like this:




Posted by: M.J.H.

Oh okay, that's still a good way to do them. I prefer ghetto though, they really beat up my midback and rhomboids, etc.


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by MonStar
Oh okay, that's still a good way to do them. I prefer ghetto though, they really beat up my midback and rhomboids, etc.
Yeah... i want to give those a try, but there's no free corner in my gym. PM suggested i just try putting a couple plates on the other end to hold it down.


Posted by: M.J.H.

Eh, plates wouldn't be the best idea IMO. I would instead lay a DB down on one side. During my last pull session I ended up placing a 120 lbs. DB on the side that I wasn't using. Worked out really really well.


Posted by: P-funk

I like ghetto style best too. I always put a dumbell over the top of the bar because I don't do them in the corner.


Posted by: P-funk

Quote:
Originally posted by Monolith
Grip work it is, then.

Got any suggestions? I know you mentioned chins on a square bar.

chin ups on the square beam of the smith machine
pull ups with a towel wrapped around the bar
pinch plates
wrist curls
reverse wrist curls
dead weight hangs- hang from a bar and time yourself and see how long you can hang for and do sets of that
barbell static holds- load up a bar and just hold the weight for a s long as you can and time yourself on sets of that too. make sure you aren't hitching the bar on your thighs though.

any of these can be super set. Here is a good tri-set that I like to do:

a) barbell behind back wrist curls
b) pinch plates with 2 ten lb. plates in between the fingers of each hand for as long as you can hold
c) towl wring outs. take a big locker room towel/ Go to the bathroom and soak it and wring it completely dry as fast as you can, turinging every which way possible. When you have it almost dry, soak it again and do it a second time......fast as possible. then once it is dry, rest and reapeat the tri-set to your hearts content.


Posted by: M.J.H.

Quote:
I always put a dumbell over the top of the bar because I don't do them in the corner.
I do the same thing. I don't do them against a wall either, and I prefer them this way actually. Hopefully in the near future I'll get a video up of the way that I do them.


Posted by: Monolith

Nice... thanks P. Grip is something that can be worked multiple times a week, right? Maybe i'll do it on tues and fri.


Posted by: Monolith

Log updates:

Diet for yesterday (4/23) was a typical low day.

Something im fairly certain of now is that i have a markedly decreased sex drive. I thought i noticed it a few days ago, but wanted to make sure i wasnt just imagining it after having read about it at Avant. But yeah, without going into details, its not imagined.

Another thing ive noticed seems to be somewhat of a relapse in symptoms of depression. I'd like to say its because ive dropped the fish oil from 20g/day to 5-10g/day, but im not sure. Hell, perhaps sesathin can impart the same effect, and im just imagining things. I'll keep an eye on it.


Posted by: M.J.H.

Quote:
Something im fairly certain of now is that i have a markedly decreased sex drive. I thought i noticed it a few days ago, but wanted to make sure i wasnt just imagining it after having read about it at Avant.
That's not a good sign, good luck with that man, damn.


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by MonStar
That's not a good sign, good luck with that man, damn.
If it makes me drop some bf, i can live with it.


Posted by: Monolith

Training for 4/24: Hams/Calves/Abs

SLDL - 135lbx10 225lbx6x4x5 (weight and reps was inconsistent here... was trying some different SLDL forms that id read about )

One leg ham press - 180lbx10 320lbx10x7 270lbx9/8 (right/left)

Seated curl - 160lbx10x6

---

Standing calf raise - 90lbx12 135lbx16x10x9

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Cable machine crunch - 40lbx12x12x7

---

Ran outta steam towards the end, ab and calf work was obviously really really light. Seems like im either "on" or "off" lately, nothing in between.


Posted by: Pepper

Quote:
Originally posted by MonStar
That's not a good sign, good luck with that man, damn.

I don't think it is a bad thing at all. I think about sex way too much as it is, I welcome a chance to focus on something else


Posted by: atherjen

dang how come u can press so much on hammie presses? I suck! lol or else you rock!!!

how did u feel with the different SL dead forms.. which one felt right to you?

hmmmmm well it would only suck having your sex drive down if you were in a relationship- otherwise wouldnt be so bad if your were single..wouldnt make u feel as deprived!


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by atherjen
dang how come u can press so much on hammie presses? I suck! lol or else you rock!!!

how did u feel with the different SL dead forms.. which one felt right to you?

hmmmmm well it would only suck having your sex drive down if you were in a relationship- otherwise wouldnt be so bad if your were single..wouldnt make u feel as deprived!
haha... i think the ham presses went up a little because i dropped the weight a bit on the SLDL's. im almost caught up to jodi.

Ive always had a fairly low libido... so the sesathin has made me almost asexual. lol. Everything still works when i need it, i just dont find myself needing it... at all.


Posted by: Pepper

Quote:
Originally posted by Monolith
so the sesathin has made me almost asexual. lol.

Just curious, why do you think it is the Sesathin and not the L-Rebirth?


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by Pepper
Just curious, why do you think it is the Sesathin and not the L-Rebirth?
There have been several posts @ the Avant forums from people reporting decreased libido after supplementing with Sesathin.


Posted by: Monolith

Diet for today (4/24) was a typical low, with the following exception:

Meal 4 was 8oz lean beef tenderloin and salad w/ 1 T. olive oil instead of the usual chicken + broccoli


Posted by: P-funk

Only 8oz of beef!!!! God it sucks to be dieting.


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by P-funk
Only 8oz of beef!!!! God it sucks to be dieting.
haha

it might have been closer to 10oz, but it was around there. it was two beef filet's. i just didnt feel like taking them both off the grill and back inside just to weigh them. i wasnt feeling especially anal yesterday.


Posted by: Monolith

Diet for 4/25 was a typical no carb day, except i only got 5 meals in. I upped the protein in each meal to compensate. Still got 4 servings of Rebirth and 3 servings of Sesathin in.

No gym.


Posted by: Monolith

Stats as of 4/26:

Stomach (around navel) - 40.5"
Right arm - 16.55"
Left arm - 16.375"
Right quad - 26"
Left quad - 25.8"
Neck - 16.5"
BW - 237lbs
BF% - 20.5-22.5%

Felt bloated as shit today, no idea why. I did have a little more fiber than usual yesterday, but nothing exceptional.

Weight was up 2lbs from last week. Only measurements that changed was the arms and neck (increase and decrease, respectively). Caliper readings changed slightly (decrease), but i have little confidence in the consistency of my measurements (or in the quality of the 3 point test) to give me anything more than a very rough estimate.

Thoughts on the Rebirth and Sesathin thus far are... a little uncertain. Rebirth's ability to satisfy hunger has been minimal. The decreased sex drive with Sesathin is quite noticable. Changes in measurements/weight seem somewhat unaffected by the past weeks new supplementation, although as i said, i did feel atypically bloated this morning, which may have skewed my results.


Posted by: yellowmoomba

That's a bummer about the sesathin!!


Posted by: Monolith

Training for 4/26: Chest/Biceps

Flat BB Bench - 135lbx10 185lbx8x7x5 (spot last rep last 2 sets)

Decline BB Bench - 135lbx15x10x8+1

Pec Dec - 140lbx10x6.5 110lbx9.5

Incline Smith Press - 90lbx15x8 drop 70lbx7

---

Superset -
+Hammer Curl - 25lbx10x10x8
+Cable Curl - 90lbx11 60lbx10 50lbx10

Preacher Curl - 65lbx8x7

---

First time ive done flat bb bench first in a while. Weights were kind of depressing, though. 1RM charts show my max as being only 230lbs. Six months ago, looking at my old w/o logs, i was doing 185lb for 4 sets of 5... which, according to the charts, means my max has only increased by like 12lbs. I'm beginning to see needles and mexican steroids dancing in my head.

It felt really good to do supersets for bi's. Hadnt done them in a while (stole the idea from P-Funks journal ). I misjudged the weight for the Hammer curls, tho... i prolly should have used 30lbs for the first couple sets.


Posted by: atherjen

hang in there Mono.. Perhaps improvments via the Leptigen and the rest will get better! Ill keep my fingers crossed for you!
did you over eat on any broccoli yestarday>???

"I'm beginning to see needles and mexican steroids dancing in my head "

training looks good to me! and no worries on the flat bb bench.. I felt the same once I got back into doing it after a long period of not... it'll come back up!


Posted by: yellowmoomba

I have the same problem on BB Press when I don't use it all the time. It takes me a couple sessions to get back into the swing of things!!

Keep up the good work!!!



Posted by: yellowmoomba

4/26/04

Sorry - about this post -

I posted my workout in your journal!!




Posted by: PreMier

Quote:
Originally posted by yellowmoomba
4/26/04

Sorry - about this post -

I posted my workout in your journal!!
Someone is smoking a little too much...


Posted by: yellowmoomba

Quote:
Originally posted by PreMier
Someone is smoking a little too much...

It was a LONG weekend!!!


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by yellowmoomba
4/26/04

Sorry - about this post -

I posted my workout in your journal!!
LMAO

Just trying to show me up, werent you?


Posted by: Monolith

Diet for today (4/26) was a typical high carb. Nothing new to report.


Posted by: M.J.H.

Typical high carb day? Are you following a carb cycling diet?


Posted by: yellowmoomba

Quote:
Originally posted by Monolith
LMAO

Just trying to show me up, werent you?

Nope but I thought if I put my workouts in your journal then I would magicially (s/p) be carb cycling too (without the pain!!)


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by MonStar
Typical high carb day? Are you following a carb cycling diet?
Yup


Posted by: M.J.H.

What kind of carb cycling diet? And is your goal to lose fat?


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by MonStar
What kind of carb cycling diet? And is your goal to lose fat?
TP's carb cycling. Check out the first post in this journal.

Goal is a recomp, as my title suggests.


Posted by: Monolith

Training for 4/27: Quads/Forearms

Squats - barx10 135lbx10 185lbx7x5 155lbx6+1

45* Leg Press - 490lbx10 510lbx9x7

Unilateral concentric pause extensions - 25lbx10x8x8

---

Plate pinch - 20lbx80sx60s/40sx45s/40s (right/left)

Reverse wrist curl - 50lbx15 80lbx15 90lbx10

---

Squats were only to slightly below parallel. Gonna try them like this for 3 weeks, then rotate back to ATF squats. From there ill prolly go to trap bar deads again, i really like those.

Im also sorta confused... as my legs seem to be the only bodypart that i can consistently increase the weight on each week. I mean, a month ago i was pressing like 400lbx8, now its up to 510lbx9?? That seems waaaaay too fast, relative to how im used to things progressing.

As a side note, i dont think there's any relation to the LG/Sesathin as i noticed these atypical gains before i began taking them.

Forearm stuff felt good, although i need to get a better watch to time the plate pinches... there's no second hand on this one (there was, but it broke). People were giving me funny looks as i was sitting on a bench with a couple 10lb plates in my hand making these awful grimaces.

I had a good amount of energy again today. It seems strange, though... i'd like to attribute this extra energy ive had in the gym this past week to either the Rebirth or the Sesathin, but it hasnt been consistent. There have been a couple days where my energy has been in the gutter. I've been dosing the Rebirth and Sesathin at roughly the same time every day, so im not too sure what to make of it.


Posted by: P-funk

Quote:
Im also sorta confused... as my legs seem to be the only bodypart that i can consistently increase the weight on each week. I mean, a month ago i was pressing like 400lbx8, now its up to 510lbx9?? That seems waaaaay too fast, relative to how im used to things progressing.
Don't be confused. Peoples legs are stong and usually they never push them to their max. I find that when I am doing something like and overhead press once I am done, I AM DONE!! There is no way I am moving that bar anymore. Legs are funny though, especially something like leg press or hack squats where it is jsut about the push and you don't have to worry about your lower back fatiging like squats or deads. I find that even when I think I am done I can always talk myself into 5 more, then 5 more after that. It is really hard to reach your limit on things like this because you legs are naturaly strong (we stand and walk all day long!!) so they can take a beating. You are probably just pushing yourself harder than ever and not failing mentally.


Posted by: PreMier

Man, I wish that my legs would get stronger all the time...

Check your PM's!!!




Posted by: Monolith

P, yeah, thats probably it. I'll just have to throw 700lbs on the press next week and see what happens.

PM - replied.


Posted by: yellowmoomba

Nice strength increase on the wheels Mono!!!


Posted by: Monolith

Diet for 4/27, low carb: Normal, with the exception that the first meal of the day was about an hour later than normal (including morning supps) as i had to go get some blood drawn at the docs office.


Posted by: Vieope

Hey Monolith, good luck


Posted by: Monolith

Hey Vieope, thanks


Posted by: Jodi




Posted by: Vieope

Haha.. it is the second time I wish you that..
Anyway, I saw that you changed the medicine to control your OCD, is that working great?


Posted by: Vieope

Quote:
Originally posted by Jodi
What can I do? I don´t know where I got these italics from.


Posted by: Vieope

I guess I confused OCD with ADD.


Posted by: Monolith

Eh, the ADD is still there, i should really go see a shrink about the depression/add... just need to make the time (and the money). Maybe avant can come up with an SSRI of their own.


Posted by: PreMier

Damn, what you doing up so f'kin late!?!?


Posted by: Monolith

Diet for 4/28, no carb day...

Typical. Nothin' new to report. Sesathin taste is starting to grow on me.

On an unrelated note, i dragged my bike out of storage today. '95 Honda XR250R. Was gonna try to take it out for a ride today, but ran out of time. Still need to change the oil, air filter, plug, etc. The chain really needs to come off too, its friggin disgusting. There's some dunes and a sandpit right near my house, makes for fun weekends in the summer.


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by PreMier
Damn, what you doing up so f'kin late!?!?
School.


Posted by: PreMier

Haha, thats a mean lookin smiley. That sucks man. I am still at work, if that makes ya feel any better.


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by PreMier
Haha, thats a mean lookin smiley. That sucks man. I am still at work, if that makes ya feel any better.
Hey, at least youre gettin paid.

Eh, im goin to bed. Later bud.


Posted by: PreMier

Laterz


Posted by: Monolith

Ok, i just need to vent somewhere... but to those of you that read Avants board, WTF is going on?

Their forums seem like theyre being over run by newbs who refuse to think before they post. I mean, look at some of this stuff:

http://forum.avantlabs.com/?act=ST&f=1&t=9963&

http://forum.avantlabs.com/?act=ST&f=1&t=9968&

http://forum.avantlabs.com/?act=ST&f=1&t=9966&

Why would you register at avant just to post a question like that? Just stay at IM, bodybuilding.com, etc.

I suppose it was inevitable as they become more and more prominent in the supplement market, but its sort of depressing to see.


Posted by: Monolith

Todays fantastically underwhelming training: Shoulders/Triceps

DB seated mil press - 45lbx10 55lbx6x5x4

DB laterals - 25lbx8 20lbx10x8

Reverse pec dec - 80lbx10x7 60lbx10

---

CG bench - barx10 95lbx8 135lbx8x7x5.5

Skullcrushers - 65lbx9x5 45lbx9

Pressdowns - 100lbx10x9 90lbx11

---




Posted by: P-funk

HMM, looks like you were pretty unmotivated today, no??


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by P-funk
HMM, looks like you were pretty unmotivated today, no??
Eh, somewhat. I tell you though, its hard to stay motivated when i see close to zero improvement from week to week.

I dont know if its just my intensity thats lacking from week to week, or if theres some underlying cause... but it sucks.


Posted by: P-funk

Quote:
Originally posted by Monolith
Eh, somewhat. I tell you though, its hard to stay motivated when i see close to zero improvement from week to week.

I dont know if its just my intensity thats lacking from week to week, or if theres some underlying cause... but it sucks.
Maybe you are doing something wrong with you training. How long have you been on the same split? How long have you trained the same way (ie body parts)? Why not mix it up for the next six weeks? Your body just may be beat to shit with what you are doing.


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by P-funk
Maybe you are doing something wrong with you training. How long have you been on the same split? How long have you trained the same way (ie body parts)? Why not mix it up for the next six weeks? Your body just may be beat to shit with what you are doing.
Ive been on the same split (2 on 1 off, 3 on 1 off) for a couple months now. Before that it was just 2 on 1 off.

I was using GP's P/RR/S for a few months back around oct-feb.

Lately i havent had much of a plan for each workout, i more or less hobble shit together before i hit the gym by perusing various journals here (as jen knows ). The only thing i really consciously vary is the rep range.

I took a week off about 6 weeks ago, but it really didnt help anything. My knowledge about training techniques and exercise physiology is seriously lacking. What little free time ive had lately ive been spending on the seemingly ginormous task of trying to comprehend the world of supplementation. Although, considering my predicament (and the fact that im taking a shitload of chemicals that dont seem to be helping much), i should probably allocate some of that time to fixing my routine.


Posted by: P-funk

yeah man, I would try something completely new if I were you. it sounds like you do a lot of volume per week. Maybe you need more rest, like lifting three or four times a week. Sometimes more is not always better. Let me know if you want help trying to bang out a new program. I would defenilty say switch up what you are doing every 6-8 weeks.


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by P-funk
yeah man, I would try something completely new if I were you. it sounds like you do a lot of volume per week. Maybe you need more rest, like lifting three or four times a week. Sometimes more is not always better. Let me know if you want help trying to bang out a new program. I would defenilty say switch up what you are doing every 6-8 weeks.
Yeah, thats probably a good idea. I dont even know where to begin, though. I mean, its strange, i really cant remember ever having good, consistent, weekly gains on any kind of training regimine. Its always just been agonizingly slow.


Posted by: Pepper

Mono, I feel the same way. In my opinion, it is the calories...you just can't keep slinging the same weight around when you are in calorie deficit. My bench press reps today made me want to cry...but losing fat is my priority right now.


Posted by: P-funk

Quote:
Originally posted by Pepper
Mono, I feel the same way. In my opinion, it is the calories...you just can't keep slinging the same weight around when you are in calorie deficit. My bench press reps today made me want to cry...but losing fat is my priority right now.

mental....mental.....mental........LOL


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by Pepper
Mono, I feel the same way. In my opinion, it is the calories...you just can't keep slinging the same weight around when you are in calorie deficit. My bench press reps today made me want to cry...but losing fat is my priority right now.
Well, i guess that might be it. I mean, ive been "cutting" for since the first of the year, like 4 months now. Before that i really wasnt on any kind of diet, just moderately keeping track of my protein.

My energy in the gym seems decent, though. And my protein is still up pretty high. And shit, i havent exactly been losing fat at any kind of record pace.

I suppose it could all just be in my head, but there are times when ill have really awesome weeks in the gym, feel like i really nailed a muscle hard... and the next week, there's no payoff. Maybe i just need to find a new hobby.


Posted by: Monolith

Diet for 4/29, typical high day, except i only got 5 meals in. Just missed one of the protein only meals.

Also, my depression is really getting bad again. Today was awful. I dont know if its because ive dropped the fish oil down to 5-8g/day from 20-25, or if its the rebirth/sesathin, but somethings up. Shitty timing, too, cuz ive got finals next week.


Posted by: Monolith

Training for 4/30: Back/Traps/Forearms

One arm DB row - 60lbx10 85lbx10x8x6.5/5.5 (right/left)

CG pulldown - 140lbx10x7.5 130lbx8

CG t-bar row - 135lbx10x8x8

DB pullovers - 55lbx10x6

---

DB shrugs - 60lbx10 85lbx8x8

---

Plate pinch - 20lbx50s/55sx35s/45s (left/right)

Wrist curl - 50lbx10x9

Reverse wrist curl - 30lbx10x8

---

Workout overall was alright. A lot better than yesterdays, thats for sure. DB rows went up quite a bit from last week, at least a couple reps on each set. It was a nice suprise.

Grip began to die on the shrugs again, so i said fuck it, and just stopped any more trap work and worked on my grip. The wrist curls really started to bother my left wrist, though. I could literally feel the radius separating from the carpals... so yeah, it wasnt very pleasant.

Does anyone know of some sort of wrist wrap that wont cover my palm or otherwise interfere with my grip? I think if i could just keep some pressure on it, itd feel a lot better.


Posted by: chiquita6683



sorry to hear ur depressed, keep ur chin up
r u on any meds for that?


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by chiquita6683


sorry to hear ur depressed, keep ur chin up
r u on any meds for that?
Thanks, wonderwoman.


Posted by: atherjen

Great workout Mono! I cant offer any advice on grip-but Its defintly something you need to work on... Im sure Patrick can help!

Im sorry to hear the depression is getting a bit worse.. do you think just stress from finals coming up and maybe dieting is causing it? I hope whatever that you can beat it!


Posted by: Monolith

I just noticed i didnt log my workout correctly. Forgot to list the tbar rows.

Thanks Jen.

Ive always had a pretty bad case of depression... but i noticed the fish oil seemed to help in a very unexpected way. It seems to have gotten worse since i lowered my dose.


Posted by: P-funk

Depression sucks......i have is pretty bad at times as well. Hang in there (or hang in as much as you possibly can......until your grip gives out at least....lol)


Posted by: PreMier




Posted by: Monolith

lmao

Im thinking about going to see a shrink, again. I really didnt have any luck the first time around, though... tried some kind of SSRI (forgot which brand) and also wellbutrin. I think there was some other happy drugs thrown in with them at some point, too.

I should just start self-medicating by way of the streetcorner pharmacist.


Posted by: chiquita6683

ive been taking wellbutrin for a long time also


Posted by: Monolith

Diet for 4/30... typical low carb day.

The rebirth is kind of weird. Sometimes ill take it, and it seems like it has absolutely no effect. i.e. 20 minutes later ill feel just as hungry as i did before i took it. Then, other times ill take it and 45-60 minutes later i realize im forgetting to eat, because im not hungry at all. Thus far, it seems as though the rebirth is less effective in the morning, and more effective in the evening. I have no idea why? Do leptin levels naturally fluctuate throughout the day? Perhaps theyre lower in the morning, and higher in the evening?


Posted by: yellowmoomba

Hey Mono -


Just checking in on your progress.....

How much BF/weight have you dropped doing the Carb cycling??


Posted by: Monolith

10-15lbs


Posted by: yellowmoomba

That's good!!

How much do you want to drop?


Posted by: Monolith

Eh, i dunno. I guess id like to see 220. Thats another 15lbs away.


Posted by: Monolith

Training for 5/1: Hams/Calves/Abs

SLDL - 135lbx8 225lbx6x6x4

One leg ham press - 270lbx6 320lbx9x6/5 270lbx7 (right/left)

Seated curl - 160lbx10x6.5

---

Standing calf raise - 90lbx12 135lbx16x11x10

---

Cable machine crunch - 40lbx12x11x6 30lbx11

DB side bends - 80lbx10x8

---

Happy May Day.

Workout was alright. Nothing special. Weights are starting to stagnate... i think ill switch this day up next week. Might take the SLDL's out for a while.


Posted by: chiquita6683

oohooh! fightings on, nbc right now!


Posted by: dsade

Quote:
Originally posted by Monolith
Do leptin levels naturally fluctuate throughout the day? Perhaps theyre lower in the morning, and higher in the evening?
I posed your question to Spook, and this was his answer:


They do fluctuate. All things being equal (meaning discounting the spike from calories) the tend to be lower in the AM and higher in the PM. Its not very important though considering how much meals effect plasma levels. The data on the tracking trends is from fasted individuals as it’s the only way to get a real measure. I would guess that it this testers observations have more to do with the fact that he is in the lower area of glycemia when he does not notice the effect. Particularly if its in the AM.



Of all three products, rebirth will probably suffer from this kind of hit or miss behavior. More so than the others anyway. For the reasons I went over in the big cat thread. Namely in heavier people you want leptin to drop but still get the short term signaling effect introduced by meals. But that’s nor really possible because of tracking delay in the soluble receptor. Ingesting a little bit of carbs with each dose should help with this however.


Posted by: Mudge

Quote:
Originally posted by Monolith
Ive always had a pretty bad case of depression... but i noticed the fish oil seemed to help in a very unexpected way. It seems to have gotten worse since i lowered my dose.
Hmm, maybe I'll have to try a bulk order sometime, its good for you anyway.

I have more anxiety (social) than depression, but I do have mood shifts now and then. Sometimes I'm great, sometimes I'm off.


Posted by: Monolith

Thanks for checking with Spook, dsade. Im assuming this is the "big cat" thread Spook was talking about? Also, do you know if adding some glucosamine to the AM rebirth doses would mimic the "little bit of carbs" suggestion?

Mudge, the fish oil is really great stuff. Ive got a bit of social anxiety as well... id like to say it helped, but the most notable effect was on depression. I was (am) still depressed in a major way, but the fish oil seemed to keep my angst-ridden thoughts somewhat at bay, especially on my really moody days. It's as if the depression didnt reach its lowest levels while i was high dosing the stuff. That said, nothing ive read or any other anecdotal reports ive seen have suggested fish oil having as profound an effect on depression as it did for me.

FYI, i usually bought it here:
http://store.yahoo.com/elitelabs/nutsup.html

You can get 12 100 tab bottles of 30% epa/dha for $25... like $2 a bottle.


Posted by: chiquita6683

Quote:
I posed your question to Spook, and this was his answer
whos spook?


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by chiquita6683
whos spook?
A smart guy from Avant.


Posted by: chiquita6683

Quote:
Originally posted by Monolith
A smart guy from Avant.
oh ok...........................................wha tever

ur doin real good monolith, keep it up!


Posted by: Monolith

Diet for 5/2... typical no day. Nothin new. Will take weight/measurements tomorrow morning.


Posted by: Jodi

Quote:
Originally posted by Monolith
Thanks for checking with Spook, dsade. Im assuming this is the "big cat" thread Spook was talking about? Also, do you know if adding some glucosamine to the AM rebirth doses would mimic the "little bit of carbs" suggestion?

Mudge, the fish oil is really great stuff. Ive got a bit of social anxiety as well... id like to say it helped, but the most notable effect was on depression. I was (am) still depressed in a major way, but the fish oil seemed to keep my angst-ridden thoughts somewhat at bay, especially on my really moody days. It's as if the depression didnt reach its lowest levels while i was high dosing the stuff. That said, nothing ive read or any other anecdotal reports ive seen have suggested fish oil having as profound an effect on depression as it did for me.

FYI, i usually bought it here:
http://store.yahoo.com/elitelabs/nutsup.html

You can get 12 100 tab bottles of 30% epa/dha for $25... like $2 a bottle.
I've found that the SesaThin has REALLY helped with my mood. Seriously, I mean REALLY helped, I'm in alot happier mood day in and day out . That an my boyfriend hasn't called me a raging bitch lately


Posted by: yellowmoomba

Quote:
Originally posted by Monolith
Eh, i dunno. I guess id like to see 220. Thats another 15lbs away.

I don't see any cardio in your journal....What about doing a few 15 minutes sessions a week to speed things up????


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by Jodi
I've found that the SesaThin has REALLY helped with my mood. Seriously, I mean REALLY helped, I'm in alot happier mood day in and day out . That an my boyfriend hasn't called me a raging bitch lately
Yeah... i was actually sort of curious about that. Because sesathin acts along the same pathways as fish oil, you'd think the mood brightening effects would carry over... but it doesnt appear that they have. It's pretty confounding, actually.

YM... yeah, probably. My diet could probably be fixed up a little bit, first... but some AM sprinting probably wouldnt be a bad idea (besides the fact that id start dry heaving after 5 minutes).


Posted by: yellowmoomba

Quote:
Originally posted by Monolith
............

YM... yeah, probably. My diet could probably be fixed up a little bit, first... but some AM sprinting probably wouldnt be a bad idea (besides the fact that id start dry heaving after 5 minutes).
I just jump on the incline Treadmill for 15 minutes after my workout 3 days a week. I'd rather have the "cheat meals" and do cardio than eliminate all the fun foods/drinks!

(Just my $0.02)


Posted by: Monolith

Stats for 5/3:

Stomach around navel - 40"
Right arm - 16.5"
Left arm - 16.3"
Right quad - 26.15"
Left quad - 26"
Neck - 16.75"
BW - 235.5lb
BF% - 20-22%

Alright... somethings weird here. Two weeks ago, when i started this, my weight was 235lbs. The next week it was up to 237lbs. Now its down to 235.5lbs. Bloat or no bloat, from other feedback ive been reading, it seems like my results are rather fucked. wtf?

Measurements are also bizarre. Gut shrank by a smidgen, yet my neck actually grew? And its sure as hell isnt muscle, since i dont train my neck. Quads grew slightly.

I have absolutely no idea what to make of this. Diet has been nearly exact every day. The only "cheat" i gave myself in the past two weeks was a can of diet coke.

Before the eval started i had been planning on tweaking my diet a bit, as fat loss *was* beginning to slow... but figured id stick it out for another 6 weeks, to see what the rebirth/sesathin did. So far, it looks like its doing nothing. Perhaps it could be partly due to how close i am to the 20% rebirth "cutoff"?

Psychologically i dont really have a problem with continuing my diet unchanged for the next few weeks, and stick out the evaluation... but perhaps i should change something? I mean, i dont see how this stuff could suddenly start accelerating fat loss after 2 weeks with relatively nothing to show for it. Maybe double the sesathin dose for the next couple weeks? Tweak the diet? Move to a basic 500 cal daily defecit?


Posted by: yellowmoomba

Quote:
Originally posted by Monolith
Stats for 5/3:

Stomach around navel - 40"
Right arm - 16.5"
Left arm - 16.3"
Right quad - 26.15"
Left quad - 26"
Neck - 16.75"
BW - 235.5lb
BF% - 20-22%

Alright... somethings weird here. Two weeks ago, when i started this, my weight was 235lbs. The next week it was up to 237lbs. Now its down to 235.5lbs. Bloat or no bloat, from other feedback ive been reading, it seems like my results are rather fucked. wtf?

Measurements are also bizarre. Gut shrank by a smidgen, yet my neck actually grew? And its sure as hell isnt muscle, since i dont train my neck. Quads grew slightly.

I have absolutely no idea what to make of this. Diet has been nearly exact every day. The only "cheat" i gave myself in the past two weeks was a can of diet coke.

Before the eval started i had been planning on tweaking my diet a bit, as fat loss *was* beginning to slow... but figured id stick it out for another 6 weeks, to see what the rebirth/sesathin did. So far, it looks like its doing nothing. Perhaps it could be partly due to how close i am to the 20% rebirth "cutoff"?

Psychologically i dont really have a problem with continuing my diet unchanged for the next few weeks, and stick out the evaluation... but perhaps i should change something? I mean, i dont see how this stuff could suddenly start accelerating fat loss after 2 weeks with relatively nothing to show for it. Maybe double the sesathin dose for the next couple weeks? Tweak the diet? Move to a basic 500 cal daily defecit?


Mono - you count DIET coke as a cheat meal. I'd hate to show you MY cheats meals. This looks like a "Jodi Topic" - She seems to have good feedback on diets


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by yellowmoomba
Mono - you count DIET coke as a cheat meal. I'd hate to show you MY cheats meals. This looks like a "Jodi Topic" - She seems to have good feedback on diets
lmao. Yeah, well, thats my point... diet has been spot on. Chicken, brown rice, a couple apples, and a dash of salsa. Nearly every day is exactly the same, almost no variation... save for a sweet potato here and there, or perhaps some lean steak.

As ive said before, i think i might just need to find a new hobby.


Posted by: yellowmoomba

Quote:
Originally posted by Monolith
lmao. Yeah, well, thats my point... diet has been spot on. Chicken, brown rice, a couple apples, and a dash of salsa. Nearly every day is exactly the same, almost no variation... save for a sweet potato here and there, or perhaps some lean steak.

As ive said before, i think i might just need to find a new hobby.
LOL -

I think I would crack-up if I ate like that!!!! Maybe you need some beer, pizza and cheeseburgers !!



Posted by: Jodi

What's your schedule? Meals/Workouts


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by yellowmoomba
LOL -

I think I would crack-up if I ate like that!!!! Maybe you need some beer, pizza and cheeseburgers !!
beer

i havent had any beer since new years


Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by Jodi
What's your schedule? Meals/Workouts
Monday - High, Chest/Biceps
Tuesday - Low, Legs/Forearms
Wednesday - No, Rest
Thursday - High, Shoulders/Triceps
Friday - Low, Back/Traps/Forearms
Saturday - Low, Hams/Calves/Abs
Sunday - No, Rest

Maybe my set point is like 350lbs?


Posted by: Jodi

First I would make Thurs a low day and Friday a High day.

It's a very tiny tweak but when you think about how you will use those extra calories more effeciently on back day than shoulders that alone may make a difference. If you want more of a tweak then move around your workouts and ditch a low carb day and make it a no carb day.


Posted by: Monolith

Yeah, that sounds like a good plan. Thanks, Jodi.

Hey TP, you in here?
What do you think? Tweak the diet, or continue as is?


Posted by: Twin Peak

I think you should switch to 3 No carb days per week.


Posted by: Monolith

Training for 5/3: Chest/Biceps

BB Bench - 135lbx10 185lbx8x8x5 (probably could have gotten 6, but didnt want to try it without a spot)

Decline BB - 155lbx12x7.5 135lbx8.5

Pec Dec - 140lbx10x7 120lbx7

Incline DB - 50lbx10x7

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DB hammer curl - 20lbx10 35lbx10 30lbx9 25lbx10

BB curl - 50lbx12x8 40lbx10

Hammer machine preacher - 55lbx12 45lbx9

---

Alright w/o considering i think ive caught a bug. Had some pretty wild toilet action earlier today. So far the rest of me seems alright, just a little dehydrated.

RI's were around 60s for chest, and 30s or less on biceps.


Posted by: Monolith

How about...

Monday - High, Chest/Biceps
Tuesday - Low, Legs/Forearms
Wednesday - No, Rest
Thursday - High, Back/Traps/Forearms
Friday - No, Shoulders/Triceps
Saturday - Low, Hams/Calves/Abs
Sunday - No, Rest

Added the third "no" day on saturday. Switched w/o's with back going on thursday and shoulders/tri's going on friday.


Posted by: yellowmoomba

Quote:
Originally posted by Monolith
beer

i havent had any beer since new years
Are you kidding me........I think I had 9 or 10 on Saturday. I wasn't driving so I had to take advantage of the situation.






Posted by: Monolith

Quote:
Originally posted by yellowmoomba
Are you kidding me........I think I had 9 or 10 on Saturday. I wasn't driving so I had to take advantage of the situation.
Im not droppin any weight without cheats... imagine if i started drinking.


Posted by: atherjen

Quote:
Originally posted by Monolith
Training for 5/3: Chest/Biceps

BB Bench - 135lbx10 185lbx8x8x5 (probably could have gotten 6, but didnt want to try it without a spot)

Decline BB - 155lbx12x7.5 135lbx8.5

Pec Dec - 140lbx10x7 120lbx7

Incline DB - 50lbx10x7

---

DB hammer curl - 20lbx10 35lbx10 30lbx9 25lbx10

BB curl - 50lbx12x8 40lbx10

Hammer machine preacher - 55lbx12 45lbx9

---

Alright w/o considering i think ive caught a bug. Had some pretty wild toilet action earlier today. So far the rest of me seems alright, just a little dehydrated.

RI's were around 60s for chest, and 30s or less on biceps.
awesome bench today!!

icky... we neednt really need to know about your toilet horror stories!

good luck on the new change of plan on the CC and workouts! pateince and stick with it!


Posted by: yellowmoomba

Quote:
Originally posted by atherjen
awesome bench today!!

icky... we neednt really need to know about your toilet horror stories!

good luck on the new change of plan on the CC and workouts! pateince and stick with it!
LOL - "toilet horror stories" are best left untold


Posted by: PreMier

Reminds me of the scene in Dumb and Dumber


Posted by: yellowmoomba



All we need is Petey the headless bird!!


Posted by: Jodi

Quote:
Originally posted by Monolith
How about...

Monday - High, Chest/Biceps
Tuesday - Low, Legs/Forearms
Wednesday - No, Rest
Thursday - High, Back/Traps/Forearms
Friday - No, Shoulders/Triceps
Saturday - Low, Hams/Calves/Abs
Sunday - No, Rest

Added the third "no" day on saturday. Switched w/o's with back going on thursday and shoulders/tri's going on friday.



Posted by: Monolith




Posted by: chiquita6683

Quote:
Originally posted by Monolith
beer

i havent had any beer since new years
GOOD MAN!!! yea i cant drink either, damn meds, i missed out on a Normal life! that usta get me down

sorry moomba, thats just me! ur lucky, UR "NORMAL"!

jk!

plz post This in my journal4me!

o my! more toilet horror stories, i have a few of those!
BUT i'm a Lady!

o yea! i had a really good day 2day I'm makina post bout now but my attentions spent, checkin email

damn just like my attentions spent on this pm!


Posted by: Monolith

normal life? nah... who needs one of those? the worlds full of normal people, it doesnt need more.


Posted by: chiquita6683




Posted by: Monolith

Training for 5/4: Quads/Forearms

Squats - barx10 135lbx10 185lbx12x7 155lbx8

Leg Press - 540lbx9x6 490lbx8

Unilateral concentric pause extensions - 25lbx10x10

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Plate pinch - 20lbx80s/60sx60s/40s (right/left)

Wrist curl - 50lbx20 60lbx15x12

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Uhh... well, i guess my squat went up. Last week i only got 185lb for a set of 7 and a set of 5. This week it went 12 and 7. Weight is still increasing on the leg press, but not nearly as fast as it has been.


Posted by: PreMier

Great news! Up the weights


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